Did Hillary Clinton attend the climate change march?

[cali]

No.

She calls for a mass movement demanding climate change, but doesn't show up in NY which would have been a big statement.

[ReRe]

1. Great question, indeed

If that wasn't a mass movement, I don't know what one is. The only reason I can think is that Chelsea is getting ready to pop and/or might be having complications.

[CTyankee]

2. I think Chelsea is close to her due date...

I hope she isn't having complications...that would be terrible...

[n2doc]

15. Chelsea and Bill were IN NYC yesterday!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2764731/It-t-far-VERY-pregnant-Chelsea-Clinton-appears-star-studded-gala-dad-Bill-reveals-October-1-date.html

A very pregnant Chelsea Clinton looked like she was about to pop as she spoke at the Clinton Global Citizen Awards in New York on Sunday.
The star-studded gala hosted by Seth Myers and honored those, including actor Leonardo DiCaprio, who exemplify global leadership in various causes.
Chelsea's ready-to-pop appearance at the awards came just as a CNN sit-down with her dad aired on CNN in which the former president revealed his grandson or -daughter's impending delivery.





I don't blame Chelsea at all for not showing. Her parents, on the other hand....

[msanthrope]

21. Actually, all three Clintons were on the street yesterday....I saw them midtown.

I think it's pretty chintzy to fault HRC and Bill for focusing on the Foundation.

[billhicks76]

62. Clinton=Bush in 2016

Prepare to vomit when it's Jeb vs Hillary. Hope built up in 2008, derailed in 2012 and finally destroyed in 2016...unless we vote Progressive.

[elleng]

76. Yes.

Thanks.

Lots of things to fault them for, if one wants, but not for the Foundation.

[msanthrope]

82. I hate the tinge of sexism---HRC is supposed to do the Foundation Awards, help her

daughter AND is supposed to show up crosstown at a political march.

Do we ever ask that of males?

Hell....does anyone who understands Manhattan traffic ask that of anyone????

[elleng]

84. I rarely have thoughts of 'sexism,'

it's quite enough to disagree with or not rely on or trust HRC. I surely don't want to spend the next years continually thinking of 'discrimination.'

[msanthrope]

85. That's why I said 'tinge.' I truly wonder if we ask of HRC the same questions that we would ask of

males. Maybe we do, and maybe we don't.

I take your point, though. Lots more to worry about.

[elleng]

87. If/when she runs,

I fully expect 'we' will ask lots of questions never considered for men.

[msanthrope]

88. I am sure that right now there are Republican focus groups working on how to ask ladyparts

questions without seeming like douches.

They will fail, of course.

[elleng]

89. They will fail in OUR eyes,

and sail right through for the 'others.' Repugs are champions at propaganda, which is a major reason for Dems serious challenges.

[TBF]

45. I doubt there are complications

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if she is well enough to speak on behalf of the foundation ...




Just in case there is doubt, here is the photo:

[CTyankee]

77. She looks wonderful!

[TBF]

79. That I can agree with. nt

[CTyankee]

80. I kinda hope she has a girl...

[Orsino]

3. Not massive enough to move a Clinton, I suppose. n/t

[hatrack]

5. If each marcher had brandished a $100 bill in each hand, would she have appeared?

[logosoco]

4. I saw Bernie and Dennis were there.

Is Hillary in NYC now? It really would have made me feel more positive about her if she had shown up, or maybe make a statement about the event. Has she said anything about it?

[Jim Lane]

27. Sheldon Whitehouse was there, too.

I'd be happy to see him running in 2016, although he's given no indication that he will.

[randome]

6. You need to stop expecting more of her. Accept it: she's a politician who wants to play it safe.

Always. And it's a shame but that's who she is. I doubt she can be 'moved' to take strong stands on anything.
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[cali]

13. I don't expect it.

though I'd appreciate seeing it.

[randome]

20. And I'd appreciate hearing Joe Scarborough saying something honest. Or Chuck Todd.

And I'd appreciate hearing Fox News try to be 'fair and balanced'. Not saying to never try or to point stuff out but it's mostly wasted energy. There are better listeners out there.
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[msanthrope]

23. The funny thing is, randome, is that she was there. It's just that the Foundation awards

and baby watch were also going on.

HRC can't win for trying.

[randome]

47. Ah. I did not know she was doing that.

As you point out, trying to go to two places in New York is problematical. But it's especially problematical when you consider the security and support personnel she would need to be at the center of 400,000 to 500,000 protesters.
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[TBF]

49. Hillary has her priorities -

and Bernie has his (he is at the march):

[antiquie]

50. Was she at the march or the awards of both?

Sorry to be confused. Thanks.

[karynnj]

53. Actually she could - imagine that she had put out a statement and even showed up

to hold a sign for FIVE minutes. Think of the attention that would have given the protest. It is true that many would have then complained that too much attention was given to someone who had little to do with the event, but that would have been an insignificant, sour grapes type comment.

Hillary is in a fantastic position on this issue and many others. There are many who would LOVE to believe her even if her record has been less than perfect or even good. The same goes for all the minimum wage/ economic justice issues. It might annoy many, who could point to things like the 2001 bankruptcy bill (which failed, but where she was wrong) but the fact is that at the moment, no one else (other than Obama) has the position and spotlight to make as strong a case on issues like this other then Clinton. (Obviously, people like Sanders, Sherrod Brown and Warren have more consistent records - but they can not command the media spotlight she can.)

This is both an asset and a responsibility. One thing I faulted the Clintons with in late 2002 and early 2003 was that they did not use the megaphone, that they alone of the Democrats had, to argue that we should not rush to war, when in fact, the inspectors were finding nothing that made Iraq a threat.

Now, she is in the same position. I heard some of Clinton's speech at the DNC's women's event recently and she really did speak of things we more associate with Warren and Sanders. This is a good thing and she linked in to winning in 2014. I am obviously not a big fan of the Clintons - having believed in them at one time only to be disillusioned. However, she has a big opportunity to use the position she has - inevitable front runner and media darling - to speak of why people need to vote for Democrats in 2014. Then, if she continues the same themes into 2016, she will have earned the right to "use" them by having actively promoted them when the media gave few people speaking of them any oxygen.

The same could be true of environmental issues, but that might not be their plan. Where the Democratic side of economic issues poll very well, there is a long term negative correlation between support of environmental regulation and the state of the economy. Not to mention, even in the best economic times, the environment has not polled high as something that drives votes.

Here the Clintons really have a pretty mixed record. There were many valuable, environmental friendly, executive orders issued in the last year or so of the Clinton Presidency, but Bill Clinton had an awful record in Arkansas. This - unlike woman's issues, children's issues, education, healthcare etc - was NEVER a core issue for either Clinton. There are people, including John Kerry, Al Gore, John Heinz, Joe Lieberman etc who led on this and for whom it was a core value. No one can lead on every issue and it might be that Hillary does not want to align herself with the protesters on this issue.

So, back to whether she should have appeared - my guess is "NO". Part of the reason is that her position is likely going to be more nuanced than the marchers and she faced people asking why she seemed to have backed the Keystone pipeline. I suspect that the Clintons, as in 2008, are tightly controlling her appearances. I doubt they want her at an open rally where people could shout out questions she does not want to answer.

[sabrina 1]

31. Who expects a Corporate funded candidate to show up at an anti-corporate Global protest?

I definitely don't expect to see her or any other Corporate 'official' anywhere near anything that threatens the profits of the Corporate World.

Of course she can't be expected to PUBLICLY take strong stands on anything. Privately however, I am certain she has expressed her strong views.

[IHateTheGOP]

68. Yes, and that's how you win

You have to win before you can change anything.

[rhett o rick]

7. H. Clinton speaks well in political rhetoric. I believe she said that she "hoped" that a mass

movement would start. That's code for, "if a mass movement does start, fine, if not, well heck." I didn't hear her say she would support a mass movement. I would have been more interested if she had said, "I will see if Goldman-Sachs will help me support a mass movement."

Hey cali

[brooklynite]

8. If she did, would it make a difference?

Or would be be blasted for being an opportunist?

[cali]

14. does that matter? she just gave a speech about how a mass movement is needed

but didn't go. Seriously, so what if she gets "blasted"? Isn't that part and parcel of being a politician?

[sabrina 1]

33. If she believes in something she shouldn't worry about what people say. The fact

that this is what drives her, how what she does might be viewed, is why she is not the right person to run on the Dem ticket.

[FlatStanley]

48. Ha! Good one.

Since when does a politician stand up for what they believe in?

[jwirr]

9. And didn't she call for that mass movement long after the planning was already started. One of

my friends had a sign in her office: "There they go - I'd better follow because I am their leader."

[librechik]

10. I'm surprised Bill isn't there--he could run in front and it would look like a mandate!

heh--dollar Bill. Penniless hippies. Not a good mix.

[n2doc]

16. As I noted above, he was in NYC for an awards ceremony. He could have shown up n/t

[msanthrope]

29. "An awards ceremony?" Um--it was the Clinton Foundation Awards. Which they run.

Do you think they might have been a bit busy????

[sabrina 1]

35. Well, there are three of them. One could have represented the others by showing up

for a few minutes. But they have priorities and they made clear what their priorities are NOT.

[msanthrope]

38. Okay--you have just written the funniest post about NYC ever written on this board.

You've never actually been to the island of Manhattan, have you?

[Historic NY]

58. LOL...your right....

they couldn't even pedal themselves.

[m-lekktor]

11. if they paid her speaking fee she might have!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. She's too flat broke to afford the bus fare.

[AgingAmerican]

17. Rhetorical

nt

[msanthrope]

18. Actually, yes--she was there. But the Foundation Awards were that night, so she and Bill

were only out for a limited time before they had to get to the Sheraton.....

Jeez. Google much?

[Jeneral2885]

19. Did Chelsea attend?

Oh did she give her pregnancy as an excuse?

[msanthrope]

32. Chelsea Clinton, HRC and Bill were at the Clinton Foundation Awards last night. Not for

anything, but as Chelsea Clinton is days away from giving birth....do you really expect her to march?

[n2doc]

22. Hillary was in NYC yesterday, just not at the march

This big! Hillary also spoke at the gala, which was hosted by actor Seth Myers. Leonardo DiCaprio was honored at the event

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2764731/It-t-far-VERY-pregnant-Chelsea-Clinton-appears-star-studded-gala-dad-Bill-reveals-October-1-date.html

[msanthrope]

25. Yes--last night was the FOundation awards. Between that and baby watch, are you really

faulting HRC?

I saw all three Clintons midtown. Did you really expect them to drop the Foundation awards and march?

[sabrina 1]

36. So, what was she doing all day? This Global event was well advertised. Put it this

way, anyone who views the future of the planet as a serious issue, made time to be there.

[msanthrope]

39. As I noted upthread, you've never been to the island of Manhattan, have you? nt

[sabrina 1]

41. What?? I live in NY state and am very familiar with Manhattan.

Has she spoken about the event yet? Did she issue any statement of support to the protesters?

[msanthrope]

43. Then why weren't YOU there yesterday? I was. HRC had the Foundation Awards crosstown.

For someone "familiar" with Manhattan, I can't wait to hear your explanation for how someone just shows up for "few minutes" to a protest march on the day their Foundation is giving out their yearly awards.

[sabrina 1]

54. Did she issue a statement of support?

I'm still waiting for your explanation as to why the 'only one qualified to run for the WH' couldn't even issue a statement of support for this Global event?

[msanthrope]

83. Again-why weren't YOU there? And, why are you attributing a quote to me that I have not written? nt

[JEB]

24. Mustn't endanger all those corporate donations.

This presents a difficult triangulation, but I'm sure she will figure out something eventually.

[msanthrope]

26. Um--the Clinton Foundation awards were midtown in NYC last night. She was

congratulating humanitarians.

[JEB]

28. Where was her old chum Kissenger?

[msanthrope]

34. I don't know who Kissenger is. But Henry Kissinger was probably there. nt

[JEB]

69. I could spell his name Jabba and that would be more respect

than the despicable war criminal deserves.

[PeoViejo]

37. Probably channeling Pinochet

to entertain his retired Dictator friends.

[TBF]

74. From the website -

[daleanime]

30. +1

[fredamae]

40. So far only

Sens Schumer, Sanders, Whitehouse-to the best of my knowledge were the only ones to show up. I called Oregon's two Sens- Nada to the best of their knowledge with Sen Merkley's past appointment calendar apparently confidential?
I called Schumers ofc and they reported he Was there...
Did yours show up at Any of the marches?

[cali]

44. I'm from Vermont, so obviously yes.

[fredamae]

67. Lucky :) n/t

[mylye2222]

42. She might be to busy

courting her dear friend Kissinger. ....

[northoftheborder]

46. This whole thread is going on "ignore" by me. Very snarky.

[wyldwolf]

51. Some people wake up each morning and look for things to be faux angry at Clinton about

[still_one]

52. Did Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ralph Nader?

Bernie, yes, not sure about the others

Al Gore, yes

[TBF]

56. Bernie was at the march -

the others I don't know ..

[still_one]

59. I know, so was Al Gore, and Obama will be at the UN talking about it

[Duppers]

57. Bernie was there

Was in pics posted too.

[still_one]

61. I know. Largest march in history on the environment and the media essentially ignored it

[Thinkingabout]

78. Where was Elizabeth Warren?

[still_one]

86. I don't know. Maybe a prior engagement. This was a significant event hardly covered by media

[hrmjustin]

55. I was a few blocks away and did not march.

That does not mean i don't care about climate change.

[malaise]

60. I don't normally give Mrs Clinton a pass

but since her daughter is about to give birth at any second, she is excused this time around.

[TBF]

70. Chelsea was speaking at the foundation -

it's not like she was in labor. Come on ...

I have no problem voting for Clinton if she is the candidate selected. In fact I have been lambasted on this very board for giving credit to Clinton at times ... but I can't see excusing her absence when it comes to the biggest issue of our time. If she had time to spend at the foundation she certainly could've done a cameo appearance at the march at the very least.

[malaise]

72. I totally agree with you

but I was told that her daughter was about to give birth. That cannot be truth if she was speaking at the foundation.

I am not a Hillary fan - period...but then I don't have a vote.

[TBF]

73. As a female who has been in labor I can

totally have some sympathy for Chelsea but I do wish they had shown some solidarity with the rest of us rather than simply focused on their event ($25K per plate is what I've read).

Last night at the gala:

[NickB79]

63. Clinton is just as embedded in global capitalism as the rest of them

We all like to imagine that, if only we elected the RIGHT Democrat, we could properly combat climate change. That's it's just a matter of political leanings holding us back.

But at the end of the day, there are many countries around the world that are far more left-leaning than us, yet have also had little success at drastically reducing their carbon emissions, at least to the point that climate science says we must in order to have a snowball's chance in hell of averting catastrophe. Cutting emissions a percentage here or there over a decade are not even close to what we need to keep the polar ice caps, or the coral reefs.

Why? Because we've built a global economy around the idea of continued growth at all costs. Grow or die. And far too many people think that all we have to do is sub in some solar panels and wind turbines for coal-fired plants, drive a hybrid or plug-in, and recycle, and we can then just carry on the status quo with no real pain, no real sacrifice.

Those people are wrong. Real action on climate change requires a MASSIVE decarbonization of our global economy, and such action will have winners and losers. While it will cause some people's fortunes to boom, it will also cause pain to many sectors of the economy and the people employed in those sectors. It MUST be done if we care about our children's and grandchildren's futures, but that translates into potentially many angry voters, something every politician seems to be terrified of because it could cost them their job.

[Enthusiast]

64. I'm convinced HRC is on board with the fossil fuel extraction industry.

That is the impression I get. I would be happy to be proven wrong.

One thing for certain, we cannot afford to elect a stealth dirty energy insider to the presidency.

[djean111]

65. Actually, glad the march was not turned into a Clinton photo-op.

Her speeches are just speeches, anyway. Pre-campaign blather. Fueled by polling experts, IMO.

[geardaddy]

66. Ellison was there.

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[stonecutter357]

71. BENGHAZI!and stuff!

[Proud Public Servant]

75. I'm an HRC critic, but get real

First of all, as a former first lady, HRC has a 24-7 security detail; her presence at the march would have been disruptive and probably impossible.

But more to the point, she's a 66-year-old woman with documented health issues; she shouldn't have been at that march, even as pleasant as the weather was.

Ding her for her actual corporatism; this is a non-issue.

[TBF]

81. Your "point" makes it impossible for her

to run for president -

"she's a 66-year-old woman with documented health issues; she shouldn't have been at that march, even as pleasant as the weather was"

If she can't risk a few moments in fresh air should she really be the candidate for the democrats?

I think you may wish to rethink your argument.

[Proud Public Servant]

90. I agree, actually

And we'll see how she holds up on the campaign trail. But I'm not going to fault her for being cautious, given her health history; there are far too many other things to fault her for.

[TBF]

91. She's not my favorite -

that's for sure. The only way I could vote for her in good conscience is if she is up against a republican who is conservative on both fiscal and social issues. She is conservative fiscally but at least liberal on social issues. That's it - that's the best I can do.