ISIS Beheads 3 Women In Syria, School Bombed

[Rhinodawg]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/01/isis-beheads-women_n_5912790.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk3%26pLid%3D539023

Meanwhile, the Observatory reported Wednesday that militants of the Islamic State group beheaded nine Kurdish fighters, including three women, captured in clashes near the Syria-Turkey border.

They were captured during the heavy fighting over the northern Syrian town of Kobani, also known as Ayn Arab, the Observatory said. The chief Kurdish group fighting in Syria, known as the YPG, advocates gender equality, and women fight alongside men.

Kurdish forces have been locked in fierce clashes with Islamic State militants in and around Kobani since the extremist group launched an assault in mid-September. The fighting over Kobani has created one of the single largest exoduses in Syria's civil war, with more than 160,000 people fleeing into Turkey, the U.N. humanitarian chief Valerie Amos said Tuesday.

[Rhinodawg]

1. One wonders why they do these things.

that's just wrong.

[whatchamacallit]

2. They do it so you'll be scared shitless and support our ruinous military misadventures

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[VanillaRhapsody]

3. yes because Rwanda was fun to watch

From the sidelines huh?

[Scootaloo]

5. Who should we have bombed in Rwanda, Vanilla?

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Why should we have bombed Rwanda? nt

[Scootaloo]

10. That's a good question, too

But for the moment, I'm responding to this exchange:

They do it so you'll be scared shitless and support our ruinous military misadventures

yes because Rwanda was fun to watch

[xocet]

14. Rwanda did not need bombing, but supporting the UN contingent there might have changed the outcome..

Canada’s Romeo Dallaire is honored for his attempts to halt Rwandan genocide in 1994
By Melinda Henneberger
May 1

Twenty years after the Rwandan genocide he tried to stop and stayed to witness, Roméo Dallaire still has gory flashbacks.

In an interview before the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum dinner Wednesday at which he received the museum’s highest honor, the Elie Wiesel Award, the former commander of the U.N. peacekeeping mission in Rwanda talked about the times his post-traumatic stress disorder has made him relive the slaughter.

A dozen years ago, Dallaire said, he saw a street vendor in Sierra Leone raise a machete to chop a coconut in two and “went absolutely [berserk]” at the sight of the weapon that had been wielded with such efficiency in the massacre of more than 800,000 people in only 100 days. “It took three guys to hold me down and for 15 minutes I [was] reliving the genocide’’ in vivid detail.

...

The Nick Nolte character in “Hotel Rwanda” was based on Dallaire, although he has said the film was truer to Hollywood than to Kigali. The Holocaust museum’s Web site praises him as someone who in Rwanda “did his utmost to warn the United Nations of the potential outbreak of large-scale ethnic violence. Even when his warnings were went unheeded, he refused to give in to international apathy. He continually called for use of force, and although unable to stop the atrocities, he and his unit nevertheless managed to protect more than 30,000 lives.”

...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/canadas-romeo-dallaire-is-honored-for-his-attempts-to-halt-rwandan-genocide-in-1994/2014/05/01/fe4f7d8a-d13e-11e3-9e25-188ebe1fa93b_story.html

[Scootaloo]

15. Well, we're talking about bombing places, in the context of this thread

So I want to know who in Rwanda Vanilla Rhapsody thinks we ought to have bombed.

[xocet]

24. That's a misleading question, since bombing would not have worked in Rwanda.

Your possibly desired conclusion appears to be that the use of force is never justifiable. To support that position, you bring in a method from the current US campaign and apply that method (bombing) to a different situation (Rwanda) - a situation in which your chosen method of application of force could not have worked. Thus, your point is ostensibly made: generally, the use of force is not justifiable, because it does not work in the contrived example (bombing in Rwanda). Thus, the US should not be involved in opposing ISIS.

Of course, I have no way of knowing what you actually think. The previous analysis is just a guess.

Nevertheless, you were the one who introduced bombing into the discussion, so VanillaRhapsody need not answer the question that you constructed.

I was just pointing out the nature of your question.

[Scootaloo]

25. You are seriously misreading

I'm not the one claiming we should have bombed in Rwanda.

That would be Vanilla Rhapsody, who is responding to criticism of bombing Syria, with the rhetoric of "yes because Rwanda was fun to watch.' I.e., that Rwanda could have been improved or prevented, b bombing someone.

So, I want to know who VR would have bombed in Rwanda.

[xocet]

30. No, that is not my interpretation. Objectively, you introduced bombing into the discussion.

n/t

[Scootaloo]

31. Well, your interpretation needs to read the rest of the subthread. n/t

[Rhinodawg]

16. Great post...very educational. nt

[Rhinodawg]

4. Well, I guess its working.... I am scared shitless. I guess they really meant it then...

that REALLY scared me too.

[tabasco]

6. What a naive little comment. n/t

[MineralMan]

11. That is way lame.

Please try to make sense, at least. Why do you suppose there are 100K refugees fleeing these terrorists. Put blame where it belongs, rather than where you want it to be.

[CanonRay]

7. Why would anyone surrender to these barbarians

I mean you have got to know what is going to happen.

[Rhinodawg]

8. There is a youtube video about the 3 women.

I don't know how to post the link to the youtube video without showing the video opening picture.

[Yupster]

29. I think the point is if you put up a fight

we will kill you all after you surrender.

If you give up without putting up resistance, you will not be killed.

It's a very effective strategy.

It explains a lot of why the Iraqi Army bases are giving up without a fight.

ISIS made sure Iraqi soldiers saw the videos of the soldiers being massacred.

It's tough to stay in your threatened base if you don't have trust that your government won't abandon you. It's a recipe for disaster.

I read a book recently about a battle in Vietnam written by a former South Vietnamese officer. It was the story of a battle that took place in late 1972. A South Vietnamese base, An Loc was besieged by North Vietnamese near the Cambodian border. Outnumbered and cut off, the South Vietnamese soldiers (500? I don't remember) beat back attack after attack but they were running out of supplies and getting more killed and wounded each day.

This was a time when the Americans had left the field and were leaving the country altogether. There were two American advisers at the base though and they were incredibly important. The controlled the air support. That was important in its own right because when the North Vietnamese attacked, the Americans would call in helicopters and airstrikes to beat off the attack. They were even more important for morale though. The South Vietnamese troops fought well in part because they knew that as long as the two Americans were there they wouldn't be abandoned. Sad to say, they didn't trust their government or their officers to back them up, but they trusted that as long as the two Americans were there, they were backed up. At one point during the weeks long battle the two Americans were flown out of the base. The South Vietnamese panicked until two other Americans were flown in to replace them the next morning.

The Battle of An Loc, as the later battle of Xuan Loc are sources of pride to the Vietnamese community in America.

I think of this book when I think of the Iraqi Army today.

Should we try to hold this base? It's a strong position and if we're supported and supplied we can beat them here. But can we trust our government? Or should we just walk away?

[Rhinodawg]

33. Now thats a post. Very educational.

Thank you for posting.

[uponit7771]

12. Sounds like the Ferguson Police Dept....

[zappaman]

17. The Ferguson police were beheading women and bombing schools?

Who knew?

[uponit7771]

18. Nah .....just terrorizing the people around them

[zappaman]

19. oh ok

let us know when they start beheading women and bombing schools.

[uponit7771]

41. ... so they have to go that far to be terrorizing the people around them? I don't think so...

... the FPD sure in the hell around serving or protecting...

[951-Riverside]

26. I don't get the comparison either, the Ferguson police is much more humane.

They use bullets and let your body rest peacefully on the ground for hours so your family and neighbors can gather around and say their final goodbyes.



So humane.

[Oktober]

23. That is just....

Wow...

[sheshe2]

28. Results of your alert, uponit

On Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:11 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Sounds like the Ferguson Police Dept....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5609546

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[Oktober]

34. Hyperbolic and obviously incorrect is not the same thing as uncivil...

The poster should probably want it gone but beyond that... let it go...

[uponit7771]

40. Thx, should have qualified it with "...they both terrorize the people around them..." but someone is

... no doubt defensive of the FPD

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. That is just sickening. n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

20. This Crowd Is Nothing More Than Gangsters

They have no pollitical motivations. That's a front. They want power and control just like street thugs. They're pathetic wretches. I doubt they even have a commitment to Islam. Just an excuse to be a brutal bunch of mobsters.

[Rhinodawg]

21. Even gangsters have a few rules.

These guys have none

[spanone]

22. this is terrorism. you terrorize people. fuck these inhuman fucks.

[flamingdem]

27. Oh no not the Kurdish women

or the men. The Kurds deserve so much for what they've been through.

[Rhinodawg]

37. You aint kidding.

very sad.

don't look at youtube on this.
it will make you sick.

[flamingdem]

38. Thanks for the warning

I avoided the journalist beheading videos too. It's too hard to wash those images out of the brain.

[cali]

32. the world is chockablock full of people doing horrible things to other people. Just as horrible as

this. Yesterday, dozens if not hundreds of people were brutally slaughtered in conflicts outside of Syria.

[KurtNYC]

35. the Saudis have beheaded as many as 26 people in one month

Charged with apostacy, blasphemy, pot possession or sorcery = beheading. No evidence, no trial, just a cleric passing sentence on the accused.

http://aattp.org/saudi-arabia-beheads-26-people-in-1-month-some-for-sorcery-us-fox-has-nothing-to-say-about-it/

Meanwhile, in the United States, more women are killed by their husbands or boyfriends than by automobile accidents.

[cali]

36. the op has a transparent agenda.

[ladjf]

39. I think that we need to send some support to those people in Kobani. nt

[Rhinodawg]

42. For reminder of days past...

Before the middle east got involved in beheadings, Nazi Germany used beheadings to control its population with intimidation. Many of them were members of THE WHITE ROSE resistance group and may they NEVER be forgotten.




Bruno Tesch (1933) – Executed in Altona with three others after "Altona Bloody Sunday"
Marinus van der Lubbe (1934) – Guillotined in Leipzig for starting the Reichstag fire
Benita von Falkenhayn and Renate von Natzmer (1935) – Executed by axe in Berlin for espionage
Edgar Josef André (1936) - Beheaded in Hamburg for treasonous involvement in the Reichstag Fire
Helmut Hirsch (1937) – Executed in Berlin for treason
Lilo Herrmann (1938) – Guillotined in Berlin for treason
Maurice Bavaud (1941) – Guillotined in Berlin for attempting to assassinate Hitler
Helmuth Hübener (1942) – Guillotined in Berlin for treason
Ilse Stöbe (1942) – Guillotined in Berlin for treason via Red Orchestra
Franz Jägerstätter (1943) – Guillotined in Berlin as a conscientious objector
Maria Restituta (1943) – Guillotined for treason
Cato Bontjes van Beek (1943) – Guillotined in Berlin for conspiracy to commit treason
Julius Fučík (1943) – Guillotined in Berlin for anti-Nazi resistance
Mildred Harnack (1943) – American born. Guillotined in Berlin for anti-Nazi activity via Red Orchestra
Sophie Scholl (1943) – Guillotined for treason via White Rose resistance group
Hans Scholl (1943) – brother of above – Guillotined for treason via White Rose resistance group
Christoph Probst (1943) – Guillotined for treason via White Rose resistance group
Willi Graf (1943) – Guillotined for treason via White Rose resistance group
Alex Schmorell (1943) – Guillotined for treason via White Rose resistance group
Kurt Huber (1943) – Guillotined for treason via White Rose resistance group
Otto and Elise Hampel (1943) – Guillotined in Berlin for treason
Musa Cälil (1944) – Guillotined in Berlin for anti-Nazi activities
Werner Seelenbinder (1944) – beheaded with an axe, for being a communist
Friedrich Lorenz (1944) - beheaded by Nazi party at Halle an der Saale