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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 08:45 AM Oct 2014

Texas Officials Say 80 People May Have Been Exposed To Ebola Patient: Report

As many as 80 people were in contact with the Dallas Ebola patient at some point, Texas health officials told NBC, marking a significant jump from the 18 people authorities had said may have been exposed to the deadly virus.

Additionally, four members of the patient's family have been ordered to stay home as a precaution even though they are not showing symptoms, the Texas Department of State Health Services said in a statement.

The health officials said 80 people may have come into contact with Duncan, NBC reported. Earlier, they had put the figure at up to 18, including five children.

State officials delivered the order on Wednesday night to the family of the patient, who has been identified as Thomas Eric Duncan of Liberia. Family members must stay home until Oct. 19 and not have any visitors without approval, officials said.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/02/texas-ebola_n_5919522.html

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Texas Officials Say 80 People May Have Been Exposed To Ebola Patient: Report (Original Post) cali Oct 2014 OP
FUD! FSogol Oct 2014 #1
Glad to see we have got this under control. n/t djean111 Oct 2014 #2
But the question is was he infectious when those possible exposures happened? Botany Oct 2014 #3
I'm assuming that the 80 people were in contact with him during the time he was infectious cali Oct 2014 #4
An abundance of caution, perhaps? dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #12
I just read that those 80 people are being monitored cali Oct 2014 #14
+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2014 #75
Yes. LisaL Oct 2014 #7
So in other words TM99 Oct 2014 #5
one case ='s africas crisis? seabeyond Oct 2014 #6
Liberia only had a single case five months ago. Soon they will have 10,000. pnwmom Oct 2014 #54
it doesnt appear, even from case one, we are handling it anywhere like liberia and the other places seabeyond Oct 2014 #56
Oh, really. We handled it so much better? pnwmom Oct 2014 #57
yes seabeyond Oct 2014 #59
So it was better the way we sent him home with antibiotics? pnwmom Oct 2014 #76
Wow! ecstatic Oct 2014 #72
oh come on abundance of caution... snooper2 Oct 2014 #9
Sad, that I need a sarcasm tag TM99 Oct 2014 #34
"Africa is a third world country" Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #45
Seriously? TM99 Oct 2014 #47
Sorry. I didn't know it was sarcasm. You just can't tell these days... Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #48
No worries. TM99 Oct 2014 #51
yesss, that's what's so dangerous about exceptionalism: not that it institutionalizes hypocrisy MisterP Oct 2014 #53
Thank you. TM99 Oct 2014 #58
"culture/subjectivity is what *other* people have" MisterP Oct 2014 #60
Oh, yes, I am quite familiar with Whig History. TM99 Oct 2014 #65
heck, that's what Tylor himself was writing against--the Positivist idea of brains and societies MisterP Oct 2014 #69
It amazes me that it takes a single case Live and Learn Oct 2014 #77
I definitely agree that there is no need to panic. TM99 Oct 2014 #81
Africa is a CONTINENT...NOT a country, TM99 Ecumenist Oct 2014 #78
Reading comprehension has gotten atrocious. TM99 Oct 2014 #80
But there's nothing to worry about. PeteSelman Oct 2014 #8
All right, I'm going to level with you all. deutsey Oct 2014 #10
Haha! PeteSelman Oct 2014 #29
probably more than that. while he was 'sick' he waited in emergency room, was sent home. Sunlei Oct 2014 #11
And the ambulance he took while symptomatic was left in service for another two days. n/t pnwmom Oct 2014 #55
I'm floored that the paramedics and Duncan's family TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #13
I agree. LisaL Oct 2014 #15
It's outrageous TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #19
if they live in the home together they are already exposed VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #28
No, they aren't already exposed. MelungeonWoman Oct 2014 #38
my point is .. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #42
Homes are fine as long as someone is watching that the residents do not leave. I am assuming that jwirr Oct 2014 #41
There is no need for quarantine unless there are symptoms. morningfog Oct 2014 #20
they are quarantined at home with their FAMILIES TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #30
In the case of the ebola victim - his entire family were exposed. And I read it to say that they are jwirr Oct 2014 #43
the paramedics were also exposed TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #44
I assume that they are also quarantined to their homes. If I were being quarantined in my home I jwirr Oct 2014 #46
You make a good point. morningfog Oct 2014 #64
Per MSNBC up to 100 now. bklyncowgirl Oct 2014 #16
Their is no epidemic just because 100 are being monitored. morningfog Oct 2014 #21
Actually, even a few cases of a very rare disease, JimDandy Oct 2014 #33
Does this include everybody on the airplane? nt TBF Oct 2014 #62
It is my understanding that it doesn't include anyone on the plane. morningfog Oct 2014 #63
Symptoms started on the 24th, according to Duncan--who has already been exposed as a liar. nt ecstatic Oct 2014 #73
up to 100 *may* have had *possible* contact with him. not necessarily magical thyme Oct 2014 #24
Don't buy into the media hype herding cats Oct 2014 #49
True. And, as has been pointed out, even the Nigerians managed to get their issue under control. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #68
Nigeria and Sierra Leone have been super aggressive-- ecstatic Oct 2014 #74
Get back to me when those 80 people contract the virus jambo101 Oct 2014 #17
Very true. No one is showing any signs of infeection yet. morningfog Oct 2014 #23
the average window is 8 to 10 days and up to 21 TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #32
Yep, this is all about hype and fear. cbdo2007 Oct 2014 #37
To date its just one guy jambo101 Oct 2014 #70
Is this people he contacted AFTER symptoms were showing? Because we were ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #18
Contagiousness does not occur until symptoms are showing. morningfog Oct 2014 #22
Thanks, morningfog! That's what I thought. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #27
OK, that's helpful to know. nt TBF Oct 2014 #66
he became symptomatic after he was already here with his family TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #25
Thank you, TTW. I didn't know they were out of ZMapp. I know one thing though, ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #26
"they better not let Mr. Duncan die after saving those docs" seveneyes Oct 2014 #31
better yet just not let anyone come here from a hot zone TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #35
The reason that won't happen is oil - TBF Oct 2014 #67
there's only ever been but a handful of doses TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #36
Because it killed so rapidly, and was over in poor Africa, no profit to be made. n/t djean111 Oct 2014 #52
exactly TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #71
Includes more casual contact & indirect contact ctaylors6 Oct 2014 #39
"As many as 500,000,0000, as few as 1 may have....". Qualifiers, not real numbers and cya stuff. uppityperson Oct 2014 #40
Let's hope they have identified all of them. B2G Oct 2014 #50
Hopefully, they didn't touch his bodily fluids and then rub their eyes or lick their fingers. ohnoyoudidnt Oct 2014 #61
My family is in San Antonio Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #79
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. I'm assuming that the 80 people were in contact with him during the time he was infectious
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 08:54 AM
Oct 2014

why else bother?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. I just read that those 80 people are being monitored
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:57 AM
Oct 2014

so it seems reasonable to believe that authorities think they did have some contact, minimal as it might have been, with the patient while he was symptomatic.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
5. So in other words
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:02 AM
Oct 2014

the usual incompetence, ignorance, and poor communication shatters once more the myth of American exceptionalism.

Africa is a third world country full of traditional and primitive beliefs. We in America are modern, scientific, and this could never happen in a first world country like ours with our exceptional health care services.

Until it does.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
56. it doesnt appear, even from case one, we are handling it anywhere like liberia and the other places
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 01:42 PM
Oct 2014

handled the first case, or 3,000th case.

and yes. we will have to wait, see....

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
57. Oh, really. We handled it so much better?
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 01:44 PM
Oct 2014

http://allafrica.com/stories/201404030636.html

FROM APRIL 2014 – 6 months ago

The U.S. Embassy in Monrovia has been advised that a woman confirmed to have Ebola has traveled to the Firestone Plantation Camp in Monrovia. . . . This woman is the only person in Liberia confirmed to have Ebola at this time.

Currently, the woman with Ebola and her family are quarantined in their home until they can be moved to an appropriate facility. Contacts from the initial taxi, the taxi driver, and the motorcycle driver have been identified and are being followed closely by the Liberian Ministry of Health and Social Welfare (MOHSW) and the World Health Organization. The MOHSW is coordinating identification, tracking, and preparing isolation plans.

Risk of transmission remains very low as Ebola is contracted through contact with blood and body fluids or contaminated articles. Symptoms may appear anywhere from 2 to 21 days after exposure to Ebola virus, though 8-10 days is most common.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
76. So it was better the way we sent him home with antibiotics?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:07 AM
Oct 2014

After failing to pass on to the medical staff the information that he'd come from an Ebola region?

And, when he came to the hospital in the ambulance three days later, vomiting, it was good that we kept that ambulance in service for another two days without cleaning it, right?

And leaving that family in the contaminated apartment, with the relatives to do the bagging up of contaminated items themselves, that was better than how they'd do it in Liberia, right?

Yeah, we're so superior to those Liberians. We did everything so much better.



 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
9. oh come on abundance of caution...
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:27 AM
Oct 2014

Oh, and in case you didn't know, in Liberia they have things called roads...they even have the capability to make phone calls now!

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
34. Sad, that I need a sarcasm tag
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:31 AM
Oct 2014

in this day and age.

Universal precautions mean nothing if information is ignored, pertinent information is not communicated between members of a medical team, and days go by with a deadly virus.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
45. "Africa is a third world country"
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:49 PM
Oct 2014


This is a good example of why it's important to pay attention in school, boys and girls.
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
47. Seriously?
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:56 PM
Oct 2014

That was sarcasm.

The responses on DU as ebola cases have grown exponential in countries in Africa have been the equivalent of saying that it can't happen here because Africa is a third world country and the US is exceptional.

Get it now?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
51. No worries.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 01:08 PM
Oct 2014

I guess I assume that something that blatant would be recognized for what it was given my last sentence.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
53. yesss, that's what's so dangerous about exceptionalism: not that it institutionalizes hypocrisy
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 01:38 PM
Oct 2014

in thinking, or even that it gives someone carte blanche to do whatever and then run from the consequences
it not only prevents, it actively discourages self-examination: you're never wrong and you have nothing in common with anyone else
it wasn't until the 30s that anthropologists explicitly realized that "primitives" could even see things the same way as Westerners, since their very perceptions were assumed to be warped through a heavy fog of superstition and magical thinking; it wasn't until the 60s that we started considering that we had myths of our own

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
58. Thank you.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 01:58 PM
Oct 2014

You got what I was conveying.

We are so certain that our models, myths, biases, and conditions are so superior when in fact, we suffer from all the same problems.

We have failed security for a President. We have failures of communication in a hospital ER that led to an infectious ebola patient being discharged when he should have been put into medical isolation and treated. If he dies, the onus is on those who failed him when he sought medical attention. And the list can go on.

It is a form of cultural narcissism. It does lead us collectively to not question our actions both with those within our own country but also with those in others. And that blindness can lead to seriously negative consequences from Ebola spreading to the BP oil spill in the Gulf to any number of other situations such as these.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
60. "culture/subjectivity is what *other* people have"
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 02:15 PM
Oct 2014

it's the same thinking behind that Quebecois law: when they say "leave your culture at the door" they're meaning "headscarves and yarmulkes non, suit and tie oui" (and they certainly don't mean take off the suit and tie and run around naked); the French law was even more extreme, with the government flat-out assuming that nobody could ever wear a headscarf of their own volition: anything other than suit-and-tie was, by definition, an imposition from outside

Latin American elites also took advantage of this sort of thinking: they could deny massacres for years because campesinos were assumed to just be so isolated and wrapped up in superstition that they could outright hallucinate, seeing routine military maneuvers as a slaughter of women, children, and the elderly in a river (presumably the descending flocks of vultures the next day were just bits of discarded parachute)

(it's even got a name! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_history)

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
65. Oh, yes, I am quite familiar with Whig History.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 03:06 PM
Oct 2014

My undergraduate thesis was on Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit. Couple this evolutionary trend in philosophy with Darwin's Origin of Species and Spencer's Social Darwinism, and there is the modern idea that new is always better, civilized cultures trump 'savage' ones, and that we are always progressing as a species not just biologically but culturally.

Evolutionary psychology and years of practice has shown me a very different reality.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
69. heck, that's what Tylor himself was writing against--the Positivist idea of brains and societies
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 03:47 PM
Oct 2014

evolving from child/African through teen/Mesopotamian to adult/European; so Tylor was being fair--for the 1870s, at least
Darwin himself actually gave us the first "emergence," a sort of bass-ackwards causality where functionality is produced by processes lacking any actual goal
Darwin himself was sarky about the Social Darwinists: "I have received in a Manchester Newspaper a rather a good squib, showing that I have proved 'might is right', & therefore that Napoleon is right & every cheating Tradesman is also right" (and it's just adorable that the highest peak of evil that Victorian Britain could conceive of was Old Boney)

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
77. It amazes me that it takes a single case
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:15 AM
Oct 2014

actually hitting the US to realize that we should take this virus serious and start funding a cure. We should have started looking for a cure during the the first outbreak.

Our hubris at thinking it won't ever affect us and our lack of empathy for those that suffer in other countries along with our medical research for profit only will of course come back to bite us.

I don't think this is really the panic outbreak but someday there will really be one.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
81. I definitely agree that there is no need to panic.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:18 AM
Oct 2014

This is one vector in a very large country.

But, as you say, if we rest in our typical narcissism and ignore the reality of the situation both here and in hard hit African countries, then yes, in the future, things may not be so rosy.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
80. Reading comprehension has gotten atrocious.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:11 AM
Oct 2014

Please read my original post, and all replies thus far.

PS - I know.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
8. But there's nothing to worry about.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:19 AM
Oct 2014

All is well. We're the best don't you know?

There is a far greater risk of epidemic from this disease than any risk ISIS, the latest bullshit boogeyman, presents.

And what are we focused on?

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
10. All right, I'm going to level with you all.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:29 AM
Oct 2014


But what's most important now is that you remain calm. There is no reason to panic.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
11. probably more than that. while he was 'sick' he waited in emergency room, was sent home.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:34 AM
Oct 2014

Took taxi home? Was sick for a couple days in a crowded apartment.

Then it was reported when an ambulance came to pick him up at the apartment complex the man was vomiting outside the family apartment several times. His family was hysterical, screaming very upset.

We have to wait out the 10 or so days with no more new cases. Right now texas is very humid and warm, lots of flies all over the place.

Lets hope everything gets bleached really well to kill any virus in body fluids on surfaces.

And our emergency rooms take much more notice of any persons who report they just came home from countries with active outbreaks.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
13. I'm floored that the paramedics and Duncan's family
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:49 AM
Oct 2014

are only being quarantined at their homes. They should be in isolation for crying out loud! They definitely had direct contact with Duncan, and one of his relatives said he was vomiting when he was picked up. Quarantining those people at their homes just risks spreading the virus to more and more people. That's HOW the damn thing spreads - by people becoming symptomatic at home infecting the people that live there and the environment of their home.

I can't even understand why these people would WANT to be quarantined at home in case of the risk of spreading the infection to family or roommates by becoming symptomatic while at home. I wouldn't DREAM of putting those people in that position and insist on isolation to protect the people that live with me.



LisaL

(44,972 posts)
15. I agree.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:59 AM
Oct 2014

They claim they can control it, but these claims ring hollow to me.
I am not impressed by what is being done here at all.
Nigeria had special places set up to put these people in quarantine.
We are not even doing that.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
19. It's outrageous
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:17 AM
Oct 2014

And saying that they're being quarantined at home "even though they aren't showing symptoms". Well, DUH. Of course they aren't showing symptoms yet when the average window between exposure and symptoms is 8 - 10 days and can be as long as 21 days.



Meanwhile, these people are at home with their families using the same bathroom, the same tube of toothpaste, someone is probably doing the laundry of the person in the family that might become symptomactic... and what happens if they do become symptomatic?

All Mr. Duncan did was help to carry an Ebola patient by her legs, and he became infected. Now these people that have had direct contact with Duncan while he was symptomatic are only staying at home using the same toilet, toothpaste, dishes, furniture, etc. when they are probably likely to become symptomatic.

It's ludicrous that they aren't in strict isolation.

MelungeonWoman

(502 posts)
38. No, they aren't already exposed.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:11 PM
Oct 2014

The family members become exposed when the paramedic becomes symptomatic. That would be 8 to 21 days after the exposure to Mr. Duncan.

If I were the one exposed I would (air) kiss the family goodbye on day 7 and wait out the next 2 weeks in isolation with a life alert necklace. That would, however, leave the house in a questionable state of habitation if worse came to worse. I sure wouldn't want my family left in the position of cleaning up after me. I hope Texas provides accommodations for these exposed individuals to prevent that from happening.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
42. my point is ..
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:33 PM
Oct 2014

They have already had enough exposure...if they are going to get it they will.....they were with the patient in the early stages of the infection.....he was vomitting on the ground before the paramedics arrived....thus the response to "get a grip".

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
41. Homes are fine as long as someone is watching that the residents do not leave. I am assuming that
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:32 PM
Oct 2014

there is a team of people who are responsible for getting needed items such as groceries to them until they can do so themselves. This team would not come in contact in any way - just leave items at the door.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
20. There is no need for quarantine unless there are symptoms.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:18 AM
Oct 2014

As soon as one of these monitored people have a fever, they will be quarantined safely. They are all taking their temps regularly.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
30. they are quarantined at home with their FAMILIES
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:18 AM
Oct 2014

If/when they become symptomatic their families are then also exposed. The should be in isolation to protect the families or roommates with whom they live. As another poster said even Nigeria isolated people that were exposed but not yet symptomatic.

This virus kills 50 to 90 percent of victims. Exposing those people that came into direct contact with a symptomatic Ebola patient to the people that share their homes is inexcusable.

Mr. Duncan became infected merely by helping to carry an Ebola victim by her legs. Mr. Duncan's family was with him and helping him while he was symptomatic, and the paramedics that took him to the hospital not knowing he had Ebola also came into direct contact with him. One of his relatives said that he was vomiting while paramedics were with him. And these exposed people were SENT HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES rather than put into isolation to protect their families or anyone else they may share their home with from also becoming exposed if/when the exposed family member starts getting symptoms especially when symptoms once they start very rapidly proceed to the death of the person.

And it isn't just their bodies that infect people... anything they used like the toilet the toothpaste dishes they used, linens or furniture, doorknobs, etc. can have droplets containing the virus on them. Some of these people are children who cannot be trusted not to touch things of the symptomatic person or those things that have used that have been contaminated.

There is no excuse sending these known exposed people home to their families instead of isolating them. None. All that does is insure that more people unnecessarily are at risk for exposure.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
43. In the case of the ebola victim - his entire family were exposed. And I read it to say that they are
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:34 PM
Oct 2014

the ones quarantined to their home.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
44. the paramedics were also exposed
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:48 PM
Oct 2014

and they're also quarantined to their homes. The nurse and doctor who treated him and sent him home not knowing he had Ebola when he first went to the hospital would also have to be quarantined

They just upped the exposure to this guy from 18 to 80 to 100 people. What about them? Are they also quarantined to their homes or just walking around? Do they even know yet that they may have been exposed?

They also used the ambulance twice more for other people before finding out that Duncan had Ebola. What about those patients or any family or friends that may have road with them?

The ambulance has been isolated but these exposed people were sent home to their non-exposed families or roommates.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
46. I assume that they are also quarantined to their homes. If I were being quarantined in my home I
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:54 PM
Oct 2014

would make sure my family were staying someplace else before I came home. Also it is possible to be quarantined to one room of a home or one floor. I am sure that they consider the situation before deciding who stays home and who goes to another form of isolation.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
64. You make a good point.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 02:43 PM
Oct 2014

There is no risk that they will infect each other. Meaning, should the partner show signs, they can be removed and quarantined without infecting the others.

But, he sweated profusely in the bed and the sheets are still on the bed! I also expect, at least the partner, to show symptoms early next week.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
21. Their is no epidemic just because 100 are being monitored.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:20 AM
Oct 2014

And even if half of those end up being infected, that will not be an epidemic. It will stop with that generation.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
33. Actually, even a few cases of a very rare disease,
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:31 AM
Oct 2014

such as Ebola, can and is being classified as an epidemic. In fact, Ebola can be classified now as a pandemic. Personally, though it doesn't feel like an epidemic to me, but then I am far from where the cases are...for now.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
63. It is my understanding that it doesn't include anyone on the plane.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 02:27 PM
Oct 2014

I could be wrong, but I think it is only those people he had contact with AFTER he started showing symptoms, which started on the 24th.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
24. up to 100 *may* have had *possible* contact with him. not necessarily
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:32 AM
Oct 2014

touching contact. not necessarily when he was infectious.

They will trace everybody who *may* have had contact to find out if they actually did have physical contact and when.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
49. Don't buy into the media hype
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 01:03 PM
Oct 2014

This is how things are done in situations like this and it's the very reason you won't see Ebola spread across the US, or the state of Texas, the way it has in some rural areas of West Africa. It will be contained even if the net had to be made a bit wider due to the failure of the hospital when Mr Duncan first went to the ER.

The state Department of Health Services put that estimate of "possible contacts" a bit higher, at 100 people, but said that number should drop as potential contacts are ruled out.

"We're starting with this very wide net, including people who have had even brief encounters with the patient or the patient's home," department spokeswoman Carrie Williams said. "The number will drop as we focus in on those whose contact may represent a potential risk of infection."​

Thompson sought to downplay the higher number of possible contacts Thursday morning and said interviewing them was simply routine.

"If you go to a restaurant and people got sick and there were 50 people who were there, we'd have to interview all 50," he said. "It doesn't mean anyone else got sick. If two got sick, we'd have to contact the other 48. In this case there's possible contact with the family members. But no one has any symptoms.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20141002-family-of-ebola-patient-confined-to-dallas-home-as-officials-interview-up-to-100-possible-contacts.ece


 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
68. True. And, as has been pointed out, even the Nigerians managed to get their issue under control.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 03:41 PM
Oct 2014

And Nigeria isn't exactly a First World country. So we, in theory, SHOULD be able to get things under control in this country as well.

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
74. Nigeria and Sierra Leone have been super aggressive--
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:02 AM
Oct 2014

rounding up and quarantining any suspected infected people at gunpoint. That will never happen here.

jambo101

(797 posts)
17. Get back to me when those 80 people contract the virus
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:01 AM
Oct 2014

In the meantime such headlines are worthless media generated hysterical bs created to feed crisis junkies.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
23. Very true. No one is showing any signs of infeection yet.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:24 AM
Oct 2014

This group, out of an abundance of caution, would include everyone he was in contact with after he first showed signs of a fever, starting on the 24th. The risk of infection wasn't very strong until closer to the 28th, when he was violently ill.

All the contact people from the 24th until he was really heaving are not likely to have been actually exposed or infected.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
32. the average window is 8 to 10 days and up to 21
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:27 AM
Oct 2014

between exposure and symptoms. Of course they aren't showing symptoms yet. It's only been 7 days since he FIRST started showing symptoms and 5 days since he was finally taken to the hospital with much worse symptoms while he was still with his family and when paramedics transported him having no idea he had Ebola.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
37. Yep, this is all about hype and fear.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:44 AM
Oct 2014

I live in Kansas City and everyone in my office is scared and talking about it today. It's ridiculous.

jambo101

(797 posts)
70. To date its just one guy
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 05:48 PM
Oct 2014

Imagine all the people that will die today from cancer,car accidents,gun related incidents etc.
I think this ebola hysteria is the least of our problems at this point.
A sobering perspective.
http://www.hlswatch.com/2010/01/12/6700-americans-will-die-today/

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
18. Is this people he contacted AFTER symptoms were showing? Because we were
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:07 AM
Oct 2014

assured by Perry and others up and down, even here on DU, that contagiousness doesn't occur until symptoms are showing. So, I'm thinking these 80 were not at either of the airports nor on the plane he was on to come to Dallas.

So, what's up?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
22. Contagiousness does not occur until symptoms are showing.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:21 AM
Oct 2014

These 80-100 must have been after the symptoms, not including the airports.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
25. he became symptomatic after he was already here with his family
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:43 AM
Oct 2014

People aren't contagious until them become symptomatic which is anywhere from 2 - 21 days from exposure with the average being 8 - 10 days. Mr. Duncan did not become symptomatic until he was already here and with his family.

When he started having symptoms, he went to the hospital, told them he had just come from West Africa yet he was diagnosed as having some unspecific flu type virus, given antibiotics (which do nothing to combat viruses) and sent home.

Two days later his symptoms became much worse, and an ambulance was called to take him to the hospital. A relative said that he was vomiting while paramedics were with him. Mr. Duncan's nephew then called the CDC and told them that Mr. Duncan had Ebola.

Meanwhile, all the people that came into direct contact with Mr. Duncan... his family, the paramedics, the nurse and doctor who treated him the first time he went to the hospital and was sent home are only being quarantined at their homes with their families. And if/when those people become symptomatic their families or anyone else that shares the home will then be in the same boat.

They all should be in isolation since they are known people that were exposed to Ebola yet they're sent home to possibly infect the people that they live with. Which is exactly how this fucking virus spreads.

It's utterly inexcusable that these people aren't in isolation so the people that share their homes aren't also put at rusk just as they were.

Mr. Duncan is also not receiving ZMapp because we don't have anymore. ZMapp is the experimental treatment that seems to be successful in saving the lives of stricken Ebola victims.

With the large window between exposure and symptoms, it's outrageous that we're accepting anyone on commercial flights from any of these hot zones. Screening people before they leave isn't going to do a damn thing since because of that window between exposure and symptoms people just like Mr. Duncan may travel symptom free yet be carrying the virus.

We cannot stop this epidemic coming here when we're accepting possibly infected people from these hot zones who aren't yet showing symptoms.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
26. Thank you, TTW. I didn't know they were out of ZMapp. I know one thing though,
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:54 AM
Oct 2014

they better get some and they better not let Mr. Duncan die after saving those docs.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
31. "they better not let Mr. Duncan die after saving those docs"
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:21 AM
Oct 2014

What "they" better not do is allow any more people to come here from hot zones without 20 plus day isolation first.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
35. better yet just not let anyone come here from a hot zone
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:32 AM
Oct 2014

Period. Mr. Duncan is not a US citizen. He came here to visit family. We have no obligation to accept non-citizens here, and accepting any non-citizen from a hot zone is asking for it.

TBF

(32,017 posts)
67. The reason that won't happen is oil -
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 03:32 PM
Oct 2014

I suspected the first case would be Texas (actually I was really expecting here in Houston rather than Dallas) because there is so much travel between Texas and Africa.


The US imports nearly as much oil from Africa as it does the Middle East. Executives, lawyers, bankers traveling back and forth - involved in high $$ deals. If the US says "no planes from Africa" how do you think the multi-national oil companies are going to respond to that?

It is something that is pretty scary to those of us with compromised immune systems. I don't blame the administration for trying to quell fears, but it is a serious issue - for some of us more than others.


TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
36. there's only ever been but a handful of doses
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:37 AM
Oct 2014

Seeing as both of those docs that received it are recovered and alive they need to get on the stick and develop much much more. Not just for US citizens but the people dying by the thousands in Africa.

I never understood why no one was working on an anecdote since Ebola first made an appearance decades ago.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
71. exactly
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:07 AM
Oct 2014

Same reason we did nothing in the Rwandan genocide. So what. They're just poor Africans, and we don't get oil or anything else vital that we need from them. What a disgrace that was. It's exactly things like the Rwandan genocide that's what we should be using our military for. But no, we only care about bombing for the profit of the rich assholes that own the government. We're a fascist government still trying to pretend that we aren't.

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
39. Includes more casual contact & indirect contact
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:17 PM
Oct 2014

From NY Times article:
Health officials said to think of the contact tracing as moving in concentric circles. Health officials focused first on those who had the closest and most intimate contact with Mr. Duncan after he became symptomatic because they are at the greatest risk of infection. That group includes at least four family members and three medics who are being isolated.

The next group includes those who had more casual contact with Mr. Duncan after he grew sick. More than a dozen people in this category will monitored by the authorities for 21 days, which is the longest documented time it has taken for this strain of Ebola to begin to cause illness. These people will have their temperatures checked daily but are free to go about their daily routines unless they begin to show symptoms.

The final group includes the secondary contacts — those who came into contact with people who came into contact with Mr. Duncan. Since the risk of infection in this group is minimal, they are not monitored daily. But their names are put in a database in case any one of them unexpectedly becomes ill and so authorities know how to reach them quickly if needed.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
40. "As many as 500,000,0000, as few as 1 may have....". Qualifiers, not real numbers and cya stuff.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:31 PM
Oct 2014

At this point, it is good they are looking further, hoping they have learned and do better next time. In reality I expect they are now trying to do cya stuff, make it look like they are On The Job.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
50. Let's hope they have identified all of them.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 01:05 PM
Oct 2014

If not, that's how it could get out of hand quickly, especially if they don't know they were exposed.

Hospitals won't catch that since they wouldn't have been in W. Africa. Seasonal flu would be the initial diagnosis. Don't want to think about what would happen after that.

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
61. Hopefully, they didn't touch his bodily fluids and then rub their eyes or lick their fingers.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 02:16 PM
Oct 2014

I'm not ready to get as hysterical as the media wound want.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
79. My family is in San Antonio
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:42 AM
Oct 2014

My mother and sisters, and extended blood relatives of both mother and fathers side. This pisses me off.

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