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Lawrence O'Donnell (this is great!) (Original Post) jillan Apr 2012 OP
Thank you, Lawrence. aquart Apr 2012 #1
K and R goclark Apr 2012 #2
I'd like to show this to my teaparty neighbor who spits out SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #3
I like him best Mosaic Apr 2012 #4
Excellent malaise Apr 2012 #5
He wrote that for The West Wing television show. Tennessee Gal Apr 2012 #6
Arnold Vinick vs. Matt Santos baldguy Apr 2012 #11
That was mbuch64 Apr 2012 #20
I have the boxed set Control-Z Apr 2012 #41
Thanks for that info. I was wondering when he wrote this. jillan Apr 2012 #17
I am a big believer in not letting conservatives demonize the word "liberal". Cass Apr 2012 #7
John Kennedy quote: Tennessee Gal Apr 2012 #8
Liberals maddiemom Apr 2012 #10
Oh, and furthermore: maddiemom Apr 2012 #12
Yes, Liberals are terribly ineffective at framing. They have not made it a science like Tennessee Gal Apr 2012 #13
Thanks, so much. Really appreciate seeing this. Rec. n/t Judi Lynn Apr 2012 #9
NICE! titaniumsalute Apr 2012 #14
for the past 6 years or so rurallib Apr 2012 #15
The reason I use the term progressive instead of liberal is because jillan Apr 2012 #16
I'm with you. Liberal all the way. dmr Apr 2012 #18
Democratic achievements. Life Long Dem Apr 2012 #19
Sad truth is many of those past achievements wouldn't be possible with todays Dem Party. NorthCarolina Apr 2012 #22
I had one of the three Republicans running for State Rep at my 1monster Apr 2012 #21
You could've told him that you're currently deciding which candidate to campaign against. Doremus Apr 2012 #33
Liberals Iliyah Apr 2012 #23
K/R Jack Rabbit Apr 2012 #24
I've come to realize that we need to flat out state things like this senseandsensibility Apr 2012 #25
K and R Quixote1818 Apr 2012 #26
Have always been proud to be a liberal. joanbarnes Apr 2012 #27
SAY IT LIKE IT IS Skittles Apr 2012 #28
But, but the Republicans brought us the first Great Depression and possibly rhett o rick Apr 2012 #29
Yes and we should all wear that label as a badge of honor. n/t Cleita Apr 2012 #30
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2012 #31
Memorize this list liberals, and recite it to throwbacks every chance you get! polichick Apr 2012 #32
We need way more liberals shooting rockets up the indepat Apr 2012 #34
KKKKK&RRRRR! nt snappyturtle Apr 2012 #35
rec... handmade34 Apr 2012 #36
K&R FightForChange Apr 2012 #37
I put the O'DONNELL and JFK quotes on calling cards UTUSN Apr 2012 #38
I wish this quote was typed out ErikJ Apr 2012 #39
Proudly posting this... Guilded Lilly Apr 2012 #40

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
6. He wrote that for The West Wing television show.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 05:47 AM
Apr 2012

Jimmy Smits was the progressive candidate debating Alan Alda as the right winger.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
11. Arnold Vinick vs. Matt Santos
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:03 AM
Apr 2012


And Alan Alda has the condescending conservative asshole smirk down pat.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
41. I have the boxed set
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 03:44 AM
Apr 2012

of the complete West Wing. Great show that seems to have one episode or another that will speak to whatever happens to be going on right now.

Cass

(2,600 posts)
7. I am a big believer in not letting conservatives demonize the word "liberal".
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:04 AM
Apr 2012

This is outstanding! I'm printing it out. Thanks, jillan!

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
8. John Kennedy quote:
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:06 AM
Apr 2012

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

John Fitzgerald Kennedy

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
10. Liberals
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 06:57 AM
Apr 2012

I thought of this JFK quote myself after reading O'Donnell's words. It's taken fifty years between these two righteous defenses? How did we liberals (oh, sorry, "progressives&quot allow it to come to this? Letting mean-spirited and hopelessly reactionary conservatives define us. It probably started with the media being so afraid of the being labeled liberal-leaning, that they bent over backwards to avoid it, with full encouragement by their corporate bosses. Then came the ridiculous false equivalencies: for every vicious remark or action by the right wing, the left was supposedly "just as bad" on the most ridiculous and far-fetched examples.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
12. Oh, and furthermore:
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:04 AM
Apr 2012

I fully appreciate O'Donnell's major role in the creation of "The West Wing." I just have to wonder: why was this show so successful and popular in this supposed "center-right" country? Could it have something to do with the many people who think they "lean conservative," bur individually really agree more with liberal ideas? Liberals are terribly ineffective at "framing."

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
13. Yes, Liberals are terribly ineffective at framing. They have not made it a science like
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 08:06 AM
Apr 2012

conservatives have with the help of jerks like Frank Luntz. George Lakoff has been pointing this out for years.

I think this started during the Nixon administration when the right decided to demonize the media and turned their focus, their energy, their money, and their organizational skills towards controlling the message deceptively by using "framing" and buying up media.

Roger Ailes got his start during that time and now he controls Fox News.

And don't forget Spiro Agnew denounced the media. Here are some of his quotes:

"A spirit of national masochism prevails, encouraged by an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."

"In the United States today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism. They have formed their own 4H Club the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history."

"Some newspapers are fit only to line the bottom of bird cages."

A real sweetheart, that one. He resigned the Vice Presidency in disgrace and then Nixon resigned the Presidency in disgrace. Somehow, the right has forgotten that moment in their history.

Not long ago I was in a discussion with a know-it-all right winger, who actually knew nothing of course. I asked this question: "Who was the only person to resign the Presidency?" He did not know. I told him it was Nixon. I then asked him which political party Nixon belonged to and he claimed Nixon was a Democrat. Sigh ......


rurallib

(62,447 posts)
15. for the past 6 years or so
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 09:58 AM
Apr 2012

when someone asks if I am a 'progressive' it feels like a punch in the stomach.
I tell them "no, I am a liberal and damned proud of it. I will not let some asshole ignorant Republican intimidate me into not using the word liberal."

Thanks for quote, I will be using it.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
16. The reason I use the term progressive instead of liberal is because
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 12:33 PM
Apr 2012

when someone calls me a progressive, as an insult, I just tell them that Hell Yes I am for progress. I want to see the world keep moving forward.

It's not a liberal vs progressive thing. I think it just better describes what is inside of my heart.

 

Life Long Dem

(8,582 posts)
19. Democratic achievements.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 01:12 PM
Apr 2012

1. Women’s Suffrage Movement
2. Securities Exchange Act of 1934
3. Social Security Act
4. Unemployment Compensation
5. Rural Electrification Act
6. Federal Home Loan Program
7. 40 hour work week
8. Minimum Wage
9. Over Time
10. GI Bill
11. School Lunch
12. Marshal Plan
13. NATO
14. Peace Corps
15. First manned moon mission
16. Civil Rights Act
17. Medicare
18. Medicaid
19. Voting Rights Act
20. Head Start
21. Guaranteed Student Loan Program
22. Family & Medical Leave Act
23. The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
22. Sad truth is many of those past achievements wouldn't be possible with todays Dem Party.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 04:07 PM
Apr 2012

The Democratic party has moved far to the right of those that championed the likes of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. We have a Democratic President who doesn't hesitate to place these programs on the bargaining table.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
21. I had one of the three Republicans running for State Rep at my
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 03:56 PM
Apr 2012

door today. No Dems or Indies running. I told him that it was unlikely I'd vote for him since he was a Republican before I knew that there was no other choice than Repug. I found him to be diametrically opposed to almost everything I believe, although he wasn't really willing to listen to me. I mentioned the insurance industry and how the profit should be taken out of it, his answer was to walk away after saying "How can you put them out of business." And then saying, "You aren't going to vote for me anyway." As if, because I was not likely to vote for him, he wouldn't be my representative if he were elected.

The problem is, I'll have to choose one of the three Republicans running and (God forbid) he might be the least toxic of the three -- gotta do some research).

Anyway, I've printed out that poster and after laminating it, I'm going to post it on my front door. Maybe it will keep other Republicans from ringing my door bell.

Self-rightous prigs.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
33. You could've told him that you're currently deciding which candidate to campaign against.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 09:13 PM
Apr 2012

Maybe that would've tempered his rude arrogance a tad.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
23. Liberals
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 04:36 PM
Apr 2012

are kind hearted, caring and open minded. We would give our shirts off our backs and we believe in democracy.

We love life and don't mind sharing. As for me, I love GOD and Jesus Christ, but respect other religions.

I can go on and on. But I just wanted to say, my opionion, conservatives are the opposite. They are selfish and greedy as hell. Hateful and are bullies. I don't know what GAWD they are worshiping but it's not mine . . . .

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
24. K/R
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 05:19 PM
Apr 2012

Just note in the interest of fairness, many Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The Senate minority leader, Everett Dirksen, was very instrumental in getting the bill passed.

senseandsensibility

(17,118 posts)
25. I've come to realize that we need to flat out state things like this
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 05:39 PM
Apr 2012

instead of assuming that the average person already knows. They don't. The teabagger types especially don't know.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
29. But, but the Republicans brought us the first Great Depression and possibly
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:50 PM
Apr 2012

the Second Great Depression. They also gave us war in Iraq and Afghanistan and the bank collapse of 2008.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
34. We need way more liberals shooting rockets up the
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 09:13 PM
Apr 2012

assholes of every conservative right-wing ass-wipe. : applause:

FightForChange

(44 posts)
37. K&R
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 11:22 PM
Apr 2012

"And I will wear it like a badge of honor." What a great line. It's one I think a lot of liberals stuck in conservative areas can relate to.

UTUSN

(70,729 posts)
38. I put the O'DONNELL and JFK quotes on calling cards
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 11:24 PM
Apr 2012

to distribute to the occasional Wingnut TeaBaggers I run into, like the cashier at the supermarket.

I’m halfway through Robert CARO’s brick-sized biography of Robert MOSES, and like with his LBJ tomes, it’s incredible that the same old TeaBaggers keep showing up generation after generation, grinding and re-grinding the same tired arguments that have been proved out to be failures and inhumane countless times. It’s just that ignorance of history blah blah. That “reliving” thing.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
40. Proudly posting this...
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 02:05 AM
Apr 2012

image every place I can in my varied travels across the Internet universe!

Absofuckinglutely!

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