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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 10:13 PM Oct 2014

Whites riot over pumpkins in NH and Twitter turns it into epic lesson about Ferguson

@blackgirlinmain
"Why are they tearing up their own community?" #keenepumpkinfest

@SaraJBenincasa
White people in New Hampshire really need to do some self-reflection and regulate their animal impulses in the wake of #keenepumpkinfest.

@BrFleurantin
Where are the leaders in the white community? They need to speak out #pumpkinfest

@kgosztola
How many of the defiant white youth causing mayhem & destruction come from fatherless families? #PumpkinRiot

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/whites-riot-over-pumpkins-in-nh-and-twitter-turns-it-into-epic-lesson-about-ferguson/

PPolice were forced to descend on Keene, New Hampshire Saturday night after students and outside agitators turned the city’s 24th annual Pumpkin Festival into “a destination for destructive and raucous behavior.”

...

One rioter, Steven French, told the Keene Sentinel that he traveled from Haverhill, Massachusetts to attend the festival because he knew it would be “f*cking wicked.”

“It’s just like a rush. You’re revolting from the cops,” he continued. “It’s a blast to do things that you’re not supposed to do.”

The police viewed the behavior of French and his cohorts less favorably, barricading streets and firing tear gas into crowds in an effort to disperse them.


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Whites riot over pumpkins in NH and Twitter turns it into epic lesson about Ferguson (Original Post) Recursion Oct 2014 OP
Yipes shenmue Oct 2014 #1
I too have drank too much in big crowds and done dumb stuff Cirque du So-What Oct 2014 #4
Yipes shenmue Oct 2014 #6
I was at a Mardi Gras parade Aerows Oct 2014 #11
Sounds like he got his 'just desserts'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #76
One year i went to the Great American Beer Festival. Initech Oct 2014 #20
I would absolutely hate to be in that kind of situation Art_from_Ark Oct 2014 #35
Me either... NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #22
"Kill the Pigs" Submariner Oct 2014 #30
Those tweets are priceless! Excellent! scarletwoman Oct 2014 #2
What a bunch of assholes. RandySF Oct 2014 #3
White privilege: shamelessly bragging alp227 Oct 2014 #5
They aren't afraid loyalsister Oct 2014 #12
But the Keene vandals weren't "revolting from the cops" Art_from_Ark Oct 2014 #36
Bout time this scourge was addressed rpannier Oct 2014 #7
Well, they did tear gas them, and some people were beaten Recursion Oct 2014 #8
"well, they did....." heaven05 Oct 2014 #15
I'll bet they have pot in their systems! I'll bet they flash gangbanger signs on Facebook! NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #9
Buncha poseurs. Rozlee Oct 2014 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #63
Love it!!!!! bravenak Oct 2014 #26
I know, right? NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #29
OMG!!!! LOL! bravenak Oct 2014 #31
Nearly as ironic as you posting in valleyspeak... shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #51
She's from Southern California JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #53
I lived in Tarzana from 1988 to 1990 and from 1998 to 2002. bravenak Oct 2014 #56
I have to agree JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #58
I think so. bravenak Oct 2014 #60
OMG Cobain JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #62
How mean!! bravenak Oct 2014 #64
Its an interesting question, no? shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #65
I think you have to think about the history of white using caricatures of blacks as a way to bravenak Oct 2014 #69
That's a good point there JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #71
Stop right here JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #70
'That's not "valley speak". A lot of Americans say OMG Shut Up!' shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #72
No Gotta disagree JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #73
Like, totally shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #74
Lots of people use OMG because it migrated across easily Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #78
I hear plenty of shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #81
I didn't realize all of those came out of the 80s Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #84
You hear JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #88
You are funny! JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #80
Surviving? Let's not wallow in false modesty, shall we? shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #85
It's Capisci JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #87
Totally sad shit right there nt Quayblue Oct 2014 #75
Tarzana? Its not that bad. shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #77
never lived there so I wouldn't know Quayblue Oct 2014 #83
Paul Mooney would be great for President. randys1 Oct 2014 #57
I would so vote for him! JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #59
No shit! That was crazy. Doing fucked up shit for fun? I could never. bravenak Oct 2014 #61
And the truth is Paul has a lot of white friends, he has a healthy DISrespect for many whites which randys1 Oct 2014 #66
He doesn't seem angry to me either. bravenak Oct 2014 #68
Damn str8t iz serious, girl, and President Mooney gonna resolve it and quick. randys1 Oct 2014 #93
not many of those are actually gang signals shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #38
I rather doubt that assumption about gestures being "some sort of black thing" NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #47
And if you actually look at the picture Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #79
Not Twitter. BLACK Twitter. The best thing to happen to Twitter since backwards B girl Number23 Oct 2014 #10
Is that a separate site? Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #16
No. "Black twitter" is simply black people on twitter Recursion Oct 2014 #18
so that would be "bitter" shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #39
You win the internet today! 7962 Oct 2014 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author shaayecanaan Oct 2014 #49
Careful, you're probably close to offending someone! 7962 Oct 2014 #67
Naaah JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #89
Lord help us when anyone does the reverse! 7962 Oct 2014 #90
Ahem JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #91
I was only surprised because I don't use Twitter. Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #92
Oh, I remember backwards B. bravenak Oct 2014 #27
That girl was a hot and tragic mess. But she did put Twitter out there for alot of folks Number23 Oct 2014 #28
I was sooooo happy she got embarrassed by that shit! bravenak Oct 2014 #32
of all the things to riot about in our screwed up society, these morons pick pumpkins Javaman Oct 2014 #13
Where the fuck is Scott Brown? Shouldn't he be in front of a camera, decrying this? bullwinkle428 Oct 2014 #14
No, he's off posing a centerfold for Newsmax Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #17
He is at home in Massachusetts, or is it New Hampshire, Connecticut or Vermont... randys1 Oct 2014 #94
Not working strawberries Oct 2014 #21
did they send in a SWAT team? rurallib Oct 2014 #23
They sent in police in riot gear Recursion Oct 2014 #34
What Ferguson were you watching ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #44
Thanks, that was blinkard ignorance on my part Recursion Oct 2014 #86
No because white folk respect the law and when you tell them to stop rioting, they stop. randys1 Oct 2014 #95
maybe some colbert watchers organized it iamthebandfanman Oct 2014 #24
oh, these are good! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #25
We really need to start profiling whites in this country IronLionZion Oct 2014 #33
“It’s a blast to do things that you’re not supposed to do.” Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #37
(White) "students clean up after mayhem near pumpkin fest" 7962 Oct 2014 #41
Oh really ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #45
No more ridiculous than the title of this thread. 7962 Oct 2014 #46
The title of this thread, I suspect, ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #48
When white folks riot these days Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #82
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #52
In before a jury hides - thanks for that link! JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #54
White privilege and purposeful ignorance is on display in this thread, and this is from randys1 Oct 2014 #96
I think the only reason this post JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #97
Who was hidden? What was said? randys1 Oct 2014 #98
See the one above mine JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #99
OH randys1 Oct 2014 #100
wow... yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #42
Sounds like a typical Cleveland Browns game...NT titaniumsalute Oct 2014 #43
bloody brilliant Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #50
Damn right! JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #55
We should never forget the sacrifice of these white martyrs Orrex Oct 2014 #101

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
1. Yipes
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 10:16 PM
Oct 2014

I've been in big crowds and I've had too much beer. I've done some dumb stuff. But I've never done something like this.

Cirque du So-What

(25,908 posts)
4. I too have drank too much in big crowds and done dumb stuff
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 10:32 PM
Oct 2014

but I once did witness the real-time evolution of a mob, culminating in overturned vehicles. It was like a wave that came down the street, and I could almost feel some of those around me getting caught up in the fervor. Even in my inebriated state, I made a hasty retreat after the first car was flipped.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
11. I was at a Mardi Gras parade
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 03:32 AM
Oct 2014

and some guy cut in line in front of everyone at the Port-O-Potties, and it started a riot. Six people turned the Port-O-Potty over on him, door side down so that he couldn't get out and well, you can imagine how horrible that entire scene was.

I left. I wasn't about to be within a mile of the guy that got removed from there.

Initech

(100,041 posts)
20. One year i went to the Great American Beer Festival.
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:51 PM
Oct 2014

The Boston Brewing Company (makers of Samuel Adams) had just debuted the latest incarnation of their Utopia beer which topped out at 40%. And they had made the cardinal mistake of rolling out the samples at the end of the show on Friday night. I can tell you that a near riot almost broke out. That was one time where I was actually glad there were lots of police present, otherwise that could have turned really ugly really quickly.

The funny thing is that I bet that they still use footage from that night in their commercials.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
35. I would absolutely hate to be in that kind of situation
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 10:32 PM
Oct 2014

That's one reason why I try to avoid places where there are going to be lots of drunken revelers.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
22. Me either...
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 04:54 PM
Oct 2014

but I just missed a couple of mini-riots in Korea. Some of my friends were pretty shook up, as they were just out to get drunk and have a good time when shit went sideways.

Submariner

(12,498 posts)
30. "Kill the Pigs"
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 10:01 PM
Oct 2014

NH has a long tradition of riots. The summer after JFK was assassinated I was up there as a 16 yr old, and the Hells Angels rode into Hampton Beach. Cop cars were turned over and lit on fire. Molotov cocktails were being tossed on everything along the seawall that could burn. It was nuts.

"Kill the Pigs" was the mantra of that era.

35 Years Ago, Hampton Beach Exploded In Hate

http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us/hampton/history/police/riots/fosters1999.htm

Hampton Beach Project -- The Riots of 1964 -- Historical Background

http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us/hampton/history/police/riots/chap1.htm

Hampton Beach Project -- The Riots of 1964 -- June 1 - July 1, 1965

http://www.hampton.lib.nh.us/hampton/history/police/riots/chap6.htm


loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
12. They aren't afraid
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 04:05 AM
Oct 2014

That's the way it should be for everyone- except maybe a criminal on the run. It is a very sick society that treats particular groups as if they are.

My cousin's kid posted about Ferguson on the first night of rioting. One of his friends responded that he wished he was there. My impression was that it was a white kid romanticizing the riot. Apparently he's not alone.


Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
36. But the Keene vandals weren't "revolting from the cops"
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 10:34 PM
Oct 2014

They were destroying private citizens' property, and ruining a family-oriented event.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
7. Bout time this scourge was addressed
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:20 AM
Oct 2014

They should feel fortunate. If they'd been black, the police likely would have felt threatened and shot them.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
8. Well, they did tear gas them, and some people were beaten
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:21 AM
Oct 2014

I don't think anybody at the Ferguson protests was shot by cops, were they?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
9. I'll bet they have pot in their systems! I'll bet they flash gangbanger signs on Facebook!
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 01:25 AM
Oct 2014

I'm not kidding.



Response to Rozlee (Reply #19)

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
56. I lived in Tarzana from 1988 to 1990 and from 1998 to 2002.
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 05:24 PM
Oct 2014

I'm from L.A. Or do you think that black people are obliged to 'talk black'? That's disturbing the way my grammar and words usage is of such focus today. Sad shit right here.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
58. I have to agree
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 05:38 PM
Oct 2014

I grew up in a mostly white environment so I'm the perfect example of the Chappelle skit about music - I like Poison.

I wonder if the poster lives in/has lived in the USA? I know sometimes they only get the "hip hop" version of black America abroad so they are gob smacked when we speak/write "real proper like". Maybe it's that?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
60. I think so.
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 05:42 PM
Oct 2014

Some people see us as caricatures. I have a heavy metal fetish myself. Don't know why. And alternative music. I cried when Kurt Cobain died, for days.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
62. OMG Cobain
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 05:51 PM
Oct 2014

He died and I was soooo upset - until my boyfriend at the time told me about rumblings in a country called Rwanda. He owned a radio station at the time and age orders to report anything coming out of there and told me he didn't want to hear another word about Cobain?

What a hater!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
64. How mean!!
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 05:56 PM
Oct 2014

All of my friends tried to help each other out. It seemed like everybody got all depressed that year and we all go put on something. Horrible time. Then the people came with skeletons of the victims of the genocide to our school. We were all disturbed. Then the holocaust museum came to town. Horrifying. But Cobain started the whole thing for us. Probably why we seemed so angsty to our parents. I found out that life was just hard. For everyone.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
65. Its an interesting question, no?
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 05:59 PM
Oct 2014

Is a black person using valleyspeak less amusing than white people flashing gang signals, and if so, why?

Is it similar to the drag phenomenon, whereby men dressing up as women is funny, but women dressing up as men is not?

Feminists argue that men in drag is funny, because the men are debasing themselves by appropriating the dress of the inferior gender. They compare it to minstrelsy when white people donning blackface was considered funny. However, there were black minstrels as well (who were often preferred as being more "authentic&quot as well as black performers who got laughs by affecting a feeble impersonation of whites (the "zip coon" stereotype), so the analogy does not really hold up very well.

In that sense, one can perceive a difference between the performer and the performance being the butt of the joke. In the case of Zip Coon, the joke is in the hopeless inadequacy of the performer's attempts to appear white. In the case of the white blackface performer, the joke is the mannerisms themselves, the performance is intended to be representative, and the joke is aimed at black culture itself.

Drag performers distinguish between high and low drag (or drag seria and drag buffa). In the case of low/comedy drag, it is apparent that the performer is male, the joke is on him rather than on the female image he is attempting. The makeup is garish but not convincing, the gestures are camp and theatrical but not representationally female.

But serious drag is serious. Those performers are generally transgender, stunningly beautiful, and indistinguishable from any other female. There is no inadequacy in their attempt, and therefore no comedy.

In the case of white people flashing gang signals, the joke is on the white people. They are trying to look like tough black gangsters, when they are really namby pamby white boys from the suburbs. The joke is in their inadequate posturing to look like tough criminals. The unspoken text is that if a black person flashes a gang signal, that their attempt to look like a tough criminal is automatically considered authentic. This is the dilemma that has faced many a minority. Young Italian men used to sound off like Joe Pesci from Goodfellas and would strut like mafiosi. Doing so carries stigma, but it also carries swagger and machismo, and these are things that young men covet, whatever their ethnicity.

In the UK, politicians are mocked whenever they attempt to use working class accents to speak to that audience, but conversely, working class people who adopt posh accents are also mocked. However, in the US, a white person who sounds black is funny, whereas a black person who sounds white is not. I'm not sure how to account for that difference, perhaps nervousness/political correctness has something to do with it, perhaps its something more.


 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
69. I think you have to think about the history of white using caricatures of blacks as a way to
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 06:27 PM
Oct 2014

make them seem stupid or to mock them in some way. Then those very same caricatures became a way if explaining why it is okay to treat black people as something undesirable. They say things like, 'if black people didn't speak, dress, act, in a certain way they would be willing to accept them.
There is not a history of us doing the same thing.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
71. That's a good point there
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 07:26 PM
Oct 2014

Ive never heard a black person make a statement like that.

It would be silly - as we have to fit into America.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
70. Stop right here
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 07:24 PM
Oct 2014


Is a black person using valleyspeak less amusing than white people flashing gang signals, and if so, why?

That's not "valley speak". A lot of Americans say OMG Shut Up!

The majority in our country are white people.

It's called speaking "the language" and it opens doors with the dominant culture.

You can't appropriate the WASP culture in America - as it is our culture here. I believe you are in Africa - right? I seem to recall your screen name in regards to some of the white privilege threads and that stuck with me.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
72. 'That's not "valley speak". A lot of Americans say OMG Shut Up!'
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 07:38 PM
Oct 2014

Yes, but the first ones to say "OMG Shut Up!" were white, teenaged girls in the San Fernando valley.

It's called speaking "the language" and it opens doors with the dominant culture.


I doubt that speaking valleyspeak will open many doors with the dominant culture. The overall impression that it creates is that the speaker is airheaded and ditzy. In particular the rising intonation towards the end tends to infuriate people. A lot of women who become professionals have to work hard to eliminate these speech patterns after using them throughout their entire adolescence.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
73. No Gotta disagree
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 07:53 PM
Oct 2014

An Exec Director said it when I gave her some numbers my group is working on.

She was born and raised in NJ - MBA from Cornell.

I'm high level in telecom. Masters in Public Administration concentration in Homeland Security.

Try again.

Explaining.

How things work for black women in America.


You don't know how to fit in.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
74. Like, totally
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:03 PM
Oct 2014

I bet she said those numbers were so bodacious. Tubular, even.

And like, after you gave her those numbers, she was like totally mondo stoked.

Its depressing how much internet argument ends like this. This is my experience, which is completely unbeknownst to and therefore outside of any challenge by you. My experience validates my argument. QED.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
78. Lots of people use OMG because it migrated across easily
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:19 PM
Oct 2014

into online and textspeak thanks to saving a lot of wasted characters when typing. It's used from the coasts to the heartland. 'Bodacious', 'tubular', 'totally', 'mondo stoked' and other non-character-saving expressions didn't migrate. They stayed in the 80s. (Although I have heard 'totes' as a shortened form of totally.)

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
81. I hear plenty of
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:31 PM
Oct 2014

"dude", "like", "totally" (or "totes&quot , "whatever" (or "whatevs&quot , "sweet" (sometimes), "oh my god", "ewww", "sooo", etc etc.

The damn shit has even infected my speech, I find myself occasionally using "like" as a hedge.

I also like the word "motherfucker". No other word has such a satisfying cadence to it: MUTH-er-FUCK-er. That's African American. "Cool" is African-American as well, I think. Is using words such as "cool" appropriating black culture? I'd say that probably the horse has bolted on that one, it became generic quite some time ago.

I think that these inflections become pervasive because they satisfy a need, and presumably do so better than other, alternative speech patterns. Or in other words, a white guy says "motherfucker" for the same reason that a black girl says "OMG totally".

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
84. I didn't realize all of those came out of the 80s
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:36 PM
Oct 2014

but I hear more 'condensed' jargon than anything else. I don't text, or else I'm sure I'd be running into even more of it.

I don't tend to use MF. When I'm cursing, 'damn's and 'ass'es in various permutations show up, as in 'What a jackass'. That might be more a small town heartland sort of pattern.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
88. You hear
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 05:38 AM
Oct 2014

Assery and Assery running its course - in my neck of the woods.

I don't use the inflected MF and I'm not around any black folks that use it.

I've heard Samuel L. Jackson use it in a movie though.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
80. You are funny!
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:28 PM
Oct 2014

I love it!

Unfortunately for Bravenak, myself, and a few other black women here - we feel your pain.

We live as a subculture in a dominant culture and we survive it.

You, a male, in a foreign country. - without our rich life experience mean well - but you don't see or understand our world and how we navigate for it. You don't intend to display arrogance and dismissal - but it's often how it can come across. It's sort of like talking with Newt Gingrich. He means well - but he knows what he knows and can't see us as full human beings with valid experiences, and voices to share.

We don't count in America - and evident - ROW. <. Common acronym on the finance side of wireless.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
85. Surviving? Let's not wallow in false modesty, shall we?
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 09:04 PM
Oct 2014

I've done pretty well out of the dominant culture, I must say. I'm certainly doing better than I would be as the son of a camel-riding, sheet wearing bedouin sheikh. You're probably the same yourself.

I'm not in Africa much these days. I used to be handy at Swahili, I can still get by but thats about it.

The last time I was in Tanzania, one of the family businesses sold some bulk food to one of the aid agencies. The rep that they sent out was an African American lady, this seems to be happening more and more. Probably some self-discovery thing perhaps. The usual substantial markup applied. The aid agencies have no idea and they're not spending their own money anyway.

I told her you should take the high-value stuff with you (rubbing alcohol, mosquito nets). She said okay. Unconsciously, our man Ferdi, Bantu to his bootstraps, turns to his junior and says (in Swahili): "put all those nets in the mzungu's car". I cringed slightly but she didnt notice. I guess she probably got called that the whole time she was there. Hopefully she took home a bunch of holiday snaps with happy, gamboling children showing how down with the locals she was.

He calls me the same thing. Fair enough I suppose. We don't see or understand his world or how he navigates it. Kapeesh?

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
87. It's Capisci
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 05:33 AM
Oct 2014

My husband is from Italy.

And it is understood to be an insult if you don't know someone intimately. A high insult.


And that experience has zero to do with the real time experiences of black folks in America. Try again.

We've got our own battles on our own turf to fight.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
77. Tarzana? Its not that bad.
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:17 PM
Oct 2014

A little nouveau riche for my tastes perhaps, but the people who live there must enjoy it.

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
83. never lived there so I wouldn't know
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:34 PM
Oct 2014

However, I was in San Diego for a while. Quite enjoyed living a mile from the ocean.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
57. Paul Mooney would be great for President.
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 05:34 PM
Oct 2014

and boy do white folks have serious issues to riot over...



Here is the most telling comment


It’s just like a rush. You’re revolting from the cops,” he continued. “It’s a blast to do things that you’re not supposed to do.”


Show me one minority who has ever uttered those words.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
61. No shit! That was crazy. Doing fucked up shit for fun? I could never.
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 05:46 PM
Oct 2014

And they were clearly having a blast during the entire event. Well, except for the round up and tear gas. They didn't look pleased by that.
Paul Mooney would be fantastic. Imagine how our journalists would go insane. I would love that.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
66. And the truth is Paul has a lot of white friends, he has a healthy DISrespect for many whites which
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 06:07 PM
Oct 2014

he should but he isnt the angry person he pretends to be, at least I dont think he is.

I think he is angrier at Hollywood than anything else

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
68. He doesn't seem angry to me either.
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 06:17 PM
Oct 2014

He just says all the things I think out loud. And hollywood is bad. He's right about that.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
38. not many of those are actually gang signals
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 07:05 AM
Oct 2014

At least one person appears to be flashing a Serbian salute. There are others doing the "two in the pinker one in the stinker" gesture, others are doing the British gesture known as "the forks". Some others appear to be doing the devil horns, or variations thereof.

Probably more interesting is the assumption, apparently implicit in this sort of commentary, that finger gestures are some sort of "black thing".

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
47. I rather doubt that assumption about gestures being "some sort of black thing"
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 10:17 AM
Oct 2014


Seriously, where did YOU get the idea that flashing gang signals is a "black thing"???

I didn't even remotely suggest it, you should check yourself and think that over, it wasn't me.



But then I worked for years with members and former members of gangs, including Hispanic, Asian, and Black gangs, and gangs that were not dedicated to a single race.

Mostly, these people pictured at the website are imitating what they've seen in pop culture, and it's not something that's done only by white people.

Do some of them know what the hand gestures represent? I would guess that only in the minority of cases are they familiar with the "two in the pinker one in the stinker" gesture, or "the forks".

I don't think these picture sets represent the brightest among American citizens.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
79. And if you actually look at the picture
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:26 PM
Oct 2014

no one actually is throwing a 'shocker' (aka, pink/stink), a stupid sign that generally only shows up in college frat type pictures or the Tosh show at a guess. You've got the live long and prosper guy, the bird puppet shadow guy, the Texas Longhorns or 'devil sign' guy, and finally whatever that guy in the back left is doing, which is maybe the 'Serbian' thing I guess. If they weren't all so serious looking, I'd assume they were all simply trying to look as silly as possible.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
10. Not Twitter. BLACK Twitter. The best thing to happen to Twitter since backwards B girl
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 03:00 AM
Oct 2014

Everyone of those Tweets is solid gold. LOVE

Ampersand Unicode

(503 posts)
16. Is that a separate site?
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 12:35 PM
Oct 2014

I don't use Twitter (never have, never will) and wasn't sure if it was a separate domain, like BlackTwitter.com or something.

Or is it just a Twitter thread featuring black commentators.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
18. No. "Black twitter" is simply black people on twitter
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 12:39 PM
Oct 2014

Which still manages to surprise people who should not be surprised by that.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
39. so that would be "bitter"
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 07:08 AM
Oct 2014

and "witter", respectively. Gay and lesbian twitter would be Glitter, i suppose. No idea on what Asian twitter should be. Chitter?

Response to 7962 (Reply #40)

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(503 posts)
92. I was only surprised because I don't use Twitter.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 09:33 PM
Oct 2014

I've heard people refer to a site called VContact.com as "Russian Facebook" and Baidoo.com as "Chinese Facebook." 60 Minutes did a story about the guy who started this shopping site, AliBaba.com, which I went and looked up -- some people call it "Chinese eBay."

By the example given, these could just be sub-sites of Facebook or eBay with Russian or Chinese users. But these are separate sites. Hence, there could very well be a separate domain BlackTwitter.com.

I just did a domain lookup, and BlackTwitter.com is for sale... if you've got an extra $2600 lying around. No site, apparently. A parked page.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
28. That girl was a hot and tragic mess. But she did put Twitter out there for alot of folks
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 09:50 PM
Oct 2014

that had never heard of it.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
32. I was sooooo happy she got embarrassed by that shit!
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 10:14 PM
Oct 2014

I hope that everywhere she goes people whip out their ipads and show everyone what she did. Notorious liars cannot be trusted. I love twitter. Have you seen 'white people throwing up gang signs on tumblr? http://whitepeoplethrowinggangsigns.tumblr.com

I cried it was so funny!!! Cannot stop laughing....

Javaman

(62,504 posts)
13. of all the things to riot about in our screwed up society, these morons pick pumpkins
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 08:48 AM
Oct 2014

if that isn't a glaring statement about the state of our nation, I don't know what is.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
94. He is at home in Massachusetts, or is it New Hampshire, Connecticut or Vermont...
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:18 PM
Oct 2014

would love to be his real estate agent

 

strawberries

(498 posts)
21. Not working
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 03:34 PM
Oct 2014

Even if it were all whites causing a raucous the headline will only make them laugh.
Whites riot over pumpkins in NH and Twitter turns it into epic lesson about Ferguson

You have to be more specific, example; a bunch of Italian Guineas where spewing garlic at the cops.... Now that would be hurtful to Italians

When you group everyone together as white, they tend to laugh

rurallib

(62,387 posts)
23. did they send in a SWAT team?
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 04:57 PM
Oct 2014

with all the military hardware? is there a curfew on campus?
maybe they should have sent in an all minority SWAT team?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
34. They sent in police in riot gear
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 10:26 PM
Oct 2014

I don't think Ferguson has sent in a literal SWAT team at any point, either.

There was a curfew announced on campus.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
44. What Ferguson were you watching ...
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:32 AM
Oct 2014

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http://www.businessinsider.com/swat-ferguson-protest-2014-8

I normally have been in agreement with much of what you write; but on this topic ... on this thread? I just want to know who hacked you account.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
86. Thanks, that was blinkard ignorance on my part
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:02 AM
Oct 2014

I didn't realize literal SWAT teams were used in crowd control situations. Even more appalling...

randys1

(16,286 posts)
95. No because white folk respect the law and when you tell them to stop rioting, they stop.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:22 PM
Oct 2014

It is said that most Black folk do not respect the law, now I dont agree with this but if it were true, i wonder if it would make sense?




I wonder why Black folk wouldnt respect the law? Now I dont need to go back this long to make a point, but I think we do need to remind ourselves of where we have been and where we seem to be going once again.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Thomas_Shipp_and_Abram_Smith


iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
24. maybe some colbert watchers organized it
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 06:43 PM
Oct 2014


http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/kc4ojp/police-militarization-in-america


skip to 2:14 ... talks about the pumpkin festival and their military hardware they requested for it... aired sept 2nd

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
33. We really need to start profiling whites in this country
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 10:25 PM
Oct 2014

these people should be sent back where they came from. Criminals, all of them. They are not real Americans. Has anyone checked their papers? They have been stealing jobs away from the rest of us for too long and are a drain on our public resources.





 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
37. “It’s a blast to do things that you’re not supposed to do.”
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 03:48 AM
Oct 2014

Wanna bet this guy is from a rich family and is going to end up in management?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
41. (White) "students clean up after mayhem near pumpkin fest"
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 07:26 AM
Oct 2014
http://news.yahoo.com/students-clean-mayhem-near-pumpkin-fest-124313596.html

Since its now OK on DU to label a riot based on its participants color, I figured I'd post a story on them cleaning up. Cant recall a story on "Black rioters" doing the same.
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
46. No more ridiculous than the title of this thread.
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 10:05 AM
Oct 2014

And thank you for the link. Of course THAT doesnt make the national news.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
48. The title of this thread, I suspect, ...
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 10:35 AM
Oct 2014

was to highlight the distinction between the treatment of events by the media, and apparently, by some DUers, as well. When Black folks gather to protest injustice, and are met with aggressive police action, the resulting response is immediately termed a "riot"; whereas, when white folks gather for a community event and turn violent, it is termed "youthful indiscretion", and largely discounted.

Highlighting this disparity is not a crime; but failing to recognize the racial underpinning of the disparity, should be ... on a "Liberal/progressive" message board.

A really appropriate toon:

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
82. When white folks riot these days
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 08:32 PM
Oct 2014

it's because their team WON a sporting event, or the bars closed (at 2am, the same time they always do), or somebody started a social media campaign to actually create a riot at a festival.

(And yes, that 'bars closed' rioting actually happened at my own Alma Mater, although thankfully not while I was out drinking.)

It's the 'first world problems' of rioting. We can't be bothered to riot over any of the horrible things our police or political leaders do. Only to show we're idiots.

Response to 7962 (Reply #41)

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
54. In before a jury hides - thanks for that link!
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 05:19 PM
Oct 2014

Eta -


“I clean up the streets for about three hours during the day. I don’t want to be around that area at night because of the tear gas being fired at the riots,” Dupree said.


^Totally don't blame 'Em. There's Ferguson Cops out there! ^

randys1

(16,286 posts)
96. White privilege and purposeful ignorance is on display in this thread, and this is from
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:42 PM
Oct 2014

white folk who vote DemocratIC (next time I hear a rightwinger say it wrong I am going to explode)

I am finding out more and more that people I know and respect are harboring these racist beliefs.

I have friends or family in big city environments where they say they deal with angry Black folk who pick on them and so on.

I have no doubt what they say is true, I have no doubt that experiences like that are in part why we continue to see so much of this racism and white privilege from the left; I also have no doubt that if I were a Black Man in my 20's or 30's (all the complaints I have heard are about this group) I would be hard pressed to NOT walk around with a chip on my shoulder and likely in a constant state of partial rage.

Hell, I am in that state now and I am an old white guy.

Now my friends and family who have these experiences never tell me about the white guys that are assholes to them, or the fill in the blank's, and I know from experience that happens too.

There is a tension between the white ruling class and minorities, it has been created by the white ruling class's actions, entirely.


JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
97. I think the only reason this post
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 01:07 PM
Oct 2014

Got hidden was how it started - but there's a point where we should allowed to be open and honest with each other.

I was not surprised to find the person who got this hide is from my home city. It showed.

Very little tolerance for nonsense up there.

If only randy - if only that was the case EVERYWHERE.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
100. OH
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 01:42 PM
Oct 2014

A.I didnt know we could see hidden posts

B. this was hidden because the writer told the truth in a harsh manner?

C. Democrats are too sensitive for harsh truth?

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
101. We should never forget the sacrifice of these white martyrs
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 01:47 PM
Oct 2014

Let us honor the slight inconvenience some of them endured as they...

Wait. What the hell were they doing, exactly? Something noble and community-minded, I'm sure.

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