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She's back, looks great, and I wish her happiness and success in whatever she tries. She's been punished long enough and I hope the press isn't too hard on her....
22 is young - perfect age to make mistakes where the heart is concerned....
RandySF
(58,768 posts)God, I remember Larry King making it sound like she was just 18 and fresh out of high school, just because she was an intern.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)country.
She wasn't "just a kid." She was an immature adult.
By all accounts, it sounds like she still is--why she would persist in touting her association with an unsavory scandal involving a particular form of sexual congress--and then COMPLAINING when others continue to make the association--is beyond me.
Oh, don't look, but look at me!!
This is all about a President, all right...and a founding father or two, as well.
And as always, TIMING is everything.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)Oh, I forgot the exceptions.
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MADem
(135,425 posts)He behaved badly. He was a jerk to Monica and most importantly, to his wife.
Should he run around apologizing di nuovo every time she dusts this shit off and goes on a money-making tour?
Someone who plays the Poor Me card, when there are people in their twenties and even thirties who have no frigging idea who she is (but oh, she intends to TELL them) will never regain even a whisp of respect from the public, because the whole "I'm being derided" sctick is part of the persona. She's made up her mind that she won't move past this, because she doesn't WANT to move past it. I suppose, for now, it beats work. I hope she invested the 12 million well.
She should have consulted with Donna Rice--she did the hard work to get away from being a punch line.
zonkers
(5,865 posts)it would have been backslaps, hi-fives and appearances on TV. Or something like that. The trippy one was Linda Tripp.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)considered a "consensual relationship" because of the power differential, it's usually considered sexual harassment.
zonkers
(5,865 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)I'm sure she was incredibly innocent back then.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)and she got them too. And now she's back in time for Hillary's run. It's almost enough to make one wonder who's asset she is.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Autumn
(45,056 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)The president at the time did something that he shouldn't have done, but it doesn't really count because she was a slut. She should go away and not remind people of what happened because it's embarrassing. If she doesn't, it's because she must be someone's "asset".
Autumn
(45,056 posts)Have a nice day.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)I'm sure you weren't intending this as a commentary on her promiscuity.
You have a nice day too.
Autumn
(45,056 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)and you used them, IMO, for the specific purpose of IMPLYING she is a slut.
MADem
(135,425 posts)denigration of any sort--it was a goal she set for herself. You'd have to ask her what she meant by that comment.
I know that it doesn't sound to me like she was aspiring to be a janitor dusting under the Oval Office desk, but what do I know?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)for the people involved. We moved past the scarlet A some centuries ago, I think.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Monica should have a chance of living a normal life.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)She got a 12 million dollar advance for book 2, and her article/photo spread for VF were compensated.
This is a profit-making exercise, the repeated telling of a two-decades old story.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)on the job paid for by taxpayers is hardly a private affair.
If it was unrelated to job, would have been a private affair.
When bosses have affairs with underlings, there are all kinds of problems of power, pressure, promotions.
Monica had Vernon Jordan getting her a $ 100,000 job offer at Revlon. Is that fair to other women in the White House who are just working hard and not blowing the boss?
Why DU gives Clinton a pass on this is beyond me.
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)You might have considered it a private matter. Our political enemies did their damdest to destroy Clinton and ruin Gore's chance of winning in 2001. The fallout was huge.
dballance
(5,756 posts)At 22 she was an adult. Sure, Clinton is as much to blame.
I don't cut her any slack for having an affair with a married man. At 22 she certainly knew right from wrong.
It was wrong for her have a relationship with a married man.
PinkTiger
(2,590 posts)Young people make a lot of mistakes. I did, and I'll bet you did,too.
Lighten up.
840high
(17,196 posts)her the best.
dballance
(5,756 posts)What exactly would you say if I had an adulterous affair with one of my friends wives when we were just out of college and in our twenties? It happens?
Neoma
(10,039 posts)dballance
(5,756 posts)People make choices. I was in a relationship for a number of years. On more than one occasion I had the opportunity to cheat on my partner. I didn't.
I made the choice to be faithful.
The people who approached me were well aware that I was in a relationship. They were wrong in their actions.
Neoma
(10,039 posts)I couldn't give a flying fuck. People have an odd sense of morals when it comes to sexuality. Shaming a woman for having sex is the last thing anyone should do.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)I'd call your boss a pig taking advantage of young underlings.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)onecent
(6,096 posts)repubs who think with their dick is he got caught and was the president.
He should have stood up there and told them it was none of their fucking business.
MADem
(135,425 posts)She uses her poor judgment as a cash cow. She didn't do that book, that HBO special, or that Vanity Fair article and photoshoot for charity, after all, either.
dballance
(5,756 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)It seems to me that every time she needs money, she goes out on the road rehashing her pizza and oral sex stories. Her latest stunts are this one, and a compensated article/photo shoot for VF.
I'm sure that there are few people who can even remember who Fanne Foxe is, or what she looked like. Yet she brought down the Most Powerful Congressman on the Hill with a simple drunken dip in the Tidal Basin. And that was a S-C-A-N-D-A-L, but it happened before the 24 hour news cycle became an art form. And, if ya wanna be technical, since the Chair of Ways and Means holds the nation's purse strings, it could be argued that Wilbur Mills, at the time of his scandal, was at least as powerful as the POTUS, anyway!
The cover-up story was hilarious, too--no one believed it, particularly since Wilbur was a regular at the Silver Slipper, where The Argentine Firecracker worked...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/tours/scandal/tidalbas.htm
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)After this, therefore because of this, eh? Gotta love that Latin translation...
MADem
(135,425 posts)I didn't use any latin in my post.
louis-t
(23,292 posts)It was purses, wasn't it?
You'd think she would use that advanced Economics degree for something, too.
And there's the 12 million for the 2nd book, that is a rehash of the Starr report, and then some.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)what young impressionable girl could have resisted that?
dballance
(5,756 posts)I think there are a lot of impressionable girls who make a better decision than Monica made.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)But there were 5 or 6 women, Paula something, etc., and he told me on TV, looked right at me, pointing his finger, and said, "I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN."
She took all the blame, had that crazy attorney Ken something hound her, and nobody blames Clinton. He draws crowds and speaks for the party, the 'splainer in chief," phoeey.
She's been put down for too many years. Guess what? Even I'm not perfect. Never took on a married man, but that doesn't say I wasn't tempted....
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Raine
(30,540 posts)a very powerful position, was married and had everything to lose, he should've had the smarts and resolve to turn her down.
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)It wasn't like Monica was the first HE decided to have an extramarital affair with either. Their was Gennifer Flowers who he first denied, then admitted. He's a stereotypical sleazy politician in my book and definitely not a progressive.
cali
(114,904 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Monica make the dough she needs to make to support herself in the lifestyle she enjoys?
This IS "her business." I don't mean her "personal" business, I mean her BUSINESS, like being a plumber or an electrician, or a novelist. She makes her MONEY by rehashing her pizza and oral sex adventures with the POTUS. And every time a Clinton hits the news, she's not far behind. When Chelsea's kid graduates high school, she'll be back again, telling us all about her Oval Office adventures. Again.
Two wrongs never make a right. That said, to make money off of conduct that is humiliating, embarrassing, private and a huge error in judgment is in itself an error in judgment (at a minimum). She's making it impossible to "move on," because she, herself, is making money off not moving on.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Two wrongs don't usually make a right. That said, it was twenty years ago. How long will she try to make money off a few awkward encounters involving oral sex? Every time her name fades, SHE brings it back, doing books, interviews, HBO specials, speeches, magazine articles, photoshoots, etc.
She doesn't want to let it go (perhaps because she is willing to trade her privacy for cold hard cash)--she's decided that she's going to be notorious, and she will educate succeeding generations as to who she is what she did. And she'll time it every time the name "Clinton" hits the news, for maximum cash-in.
Now, the 20 year olds will know who she is.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)a month or month and a half before the 2004 convention knowing that HIS version of Lewinski would be topic number one in many many interviews at that time. Clearly had Hillary Clinton been the nominee, he would not have done this. So, it is not just Monica Lewinsky who has spoken of this.
The thing that I still wonder about was what in the culture of the Clinton White house made this idiotic woman think that flashing underwear at the President would be a reasonable thing to do.
This is part of the Clinton legacy - as is a great economy and relative peace. It was his decisions that GAVE Monica the story that she regularly uses. Sadly, I have no doubt that she will find ample encouragement and resources to retell her story in the coming years. It is completely unfair to Hillary Clinton, who was of course a victim of the entire unfortunate far too public affair. I would guess that having it out now might mean that there is no new group of people likely to learn about it in 2016.
PS I suspect there are few 20 year olds that don't know about this. I know those in their mid to late 20s heard of it in 1999 - 2000. Sadly, I suspect that if you quizzed a random group of 20 year olds more would correctly identify who Monica Lewinsky was vs what the Dayton accords were or what SCHIP is.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Shouldn't he come under as much scorn for having an extra-marital affair? Plus, he was how old? Surely old enough to know right from wrong also.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)in the organization she was working for, and she was at a much lower position.
Why Clinton is given such a pass I don't know. He was perfectly happy trashing her. She was very lucky she kept the dress or he'd still be lying about her today.
I see Monica as a victim and Clinton as a pig.
dballance
(5,756 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 21, 2014, 02:32 PM - Edit history (1)
If I recall correctly, Clinton was impeached for his affair.
Not sure how much more scorn and embarrassment you want.
It takes two to tango. Monica was an adult and should have known better than to have an affair with a married man.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)all too well.
But all of a sudden in 2014 at least here on DU, everyone is totally blaming Monica as if Bill had nothing to do with it.
Just like all of the welfare moms who had babies without any man involved in the entire procedure.
Unfortunately, lots of married men have affairs. As well as lots of women have affairs with married me. And so on.
I am very glad that I am an anonymous citizen. I would hate to have gone through my divorce in a completely public manner.
dballance
(5,756 posts)Clinton deserves the scorn and contempt he earned for being an adulterer. He was wrong, and immoral.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)We certainly do our prudish best to apply scorn and embarrassment to simple sex... and further, then pretend our judgements are an absolute rather than our own biases we project onto others.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)She has an agenda and we have elections to win
MADem
(135,425 posts)She's middle aged, and she's known for one unfortunate episode in her life. She needs to fade into obscurity, instead of sticking her head up any time a person named Clinton does anything in public life.
It's a shitty way to make money, if you ask me.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)But, being the female intern involved, her life was pretty much ruined. Who was going to hire her? She was a White House intern. She had ambitions. So, yeah, she pops out of obscurity every few years to make a buck.
Thankfully, it's not like the ol' days where the guy would have gone back to his mansion and she would have gone into a life of prostitution, destitution, and early death.
Progress.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I wish the Clintons would move the fuck on. enough of these right wing Democrats.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)She has really disappointed me this year. Not a fan....
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Botany
(70,490 posts)n/t
packman
(16,296 posts)Everyone screws up once or twice in their lives, time to get past it. Hope her future is happy and meaningful.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)How people hate her with quivering mouth fulls of hatefull words, while they still lurve billie. What sexist crap!
JI7
(89,247 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)Most 22 yr olds certainly know right from wrong. Most 5 yr olds know you don't "flash" your panties someone.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)whose 48 yo husband was doing it with the 20 yo good Christian babysitter, I'm torn and emotional about the whole thing.
Both are to blame. Neither should have been features of a public circus.
For me, it was bad enough to find out about the babysitter, plus 3 others, but the local public treatment, of me, not them, was unbearable.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Another spouse, as you might remember from the media coverage, got that "harridan" treatment as well and was portrayed as a lamp throwing, piano-legged, haggard old bee word. They're still trying to denigrate her and characterize her anger and upset over what was a blatant betrayal, after all these years.
I wonder if there's any Koch money up in this latest appearance?
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... is enough by itself. I think someone else is supplementing her paycheck as well.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)it's young but not THAT young
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)I think it was a political set-up by the GOP from the get-go. Why save the funky blue dress otherwise?
Yupster
(14,308 posts)The Clinton people were trashing her every day until the dress became public.
Clinton would still be lying about it today if she didn't have the dress.
Why she kept it? Because she was in love and this was something of his she could keep. It's like people keeping unwashed sheets of a lover so they can smell the other person after they've left.
And she was a young true believer Democratic supporter from a big time Democratic donor family. She wasn't a Republican mole.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)Special Persecutor Kenneth Starr, didn't have anything else on the Clintons, after wasting over 50 million dollars, "investigating," so the GOP created that Knob Job sideshow. If anyone deserved to be impeached, it was Bush and Cheney, for their war crimes!
Maybe if those fifty FBI agents, hadn't been tied up "investigating the Clintons," for the GOP witch hunters in congress, those Terrorists learning to fly airplanes in the USA at that time, might have been caught before they could hurt anyone.
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)...for the GOP witch hunters in congress, those Terrorists learning to fly airplanes in the USA at that time, might have been caught before they could hurt anyone."
I have thought that more times than I can count. Very plausible, IMO.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)And set the whole thing up. Like the time she showed Clinton she was wearing very skimpy underwear. Most ladies don't go around showing their boss the cracks of their ass.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Whatever mistakes she made should not have been made into a national soap opera and a matter of impeachment.
Ken Starr is a vile and disgusting human being.
RandySF
(58,768 posts)By the time my dad was 22, he moved to Michigan from Tennessee with a few bucks in his pocket, got a job, served two years in the Army and went back to work (yes, admittedly the days when work was plentiful). How many millions of 22 year-olds had done the same thing, or had started families, gone to war and back?
I'm not beating up on federose, but when did 22 year-olds stop being adults? I will never forget the night that Clinton made his admission to the country, and Larry King sat there on CNN invoking "en loco parentis" saying the White House was responsible for the well-being of someone's daughter. She's not evil. She's not Eve, or a she-devil, or a (fill in a bad word). But she WAS an adult who made a decision (as was Clinton). And hopefully she eventually lived up to it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)In WW2 there was a 17 year old Medal of Honor winner.
A hundred and fifty years ago, childhood was brutal and brief, and you had to be rich to enjoy "adolescence." The poor went to work.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)She said that a friend (?) not sure if she knew him, I lost that bit of info somewhere in my old head, committed suicide after something he did brought him disgrace that he couldn't handle.
She and her mother were both affected by it, and Monica said that there are many people whose lives have been ruined by a critical press, public, and she was one of them. She thought that she could help prevent further suicides by showing that there's life after big mistakes are made...
Not sure of how she intends to cheer these folks up, but it makes sense that she could do it if anyone could.
In my mind, it's sort of a Johnny Cash move. He was in prison and felt compassion for those who were there and also those who got out. The people involved in his wild life style are never brought up, just as Clinton now has nothing to do with Monica's life. And Johnny Cash made money while helping the guys in prison, so what?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)He played concerts at Folson and San Quention Prisons for the prisoners, but he was never an inmate.
He was arrested a couple times when he was young and spent a couple nights in county jail, but he never went prison.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)Not prison, just jail...
But he was headed for trouble till June saved him.
But being arrested affected him. He realized how life would be in prison and he wanted to make it better for those imprisoned..
Did he do it because he wanted to sell records of songs recorded in prison and make a lot of money, or did he feel something for the prisoners. Does Monica just want to make money, or does she feel something for others who have been battered by the press? Or, maybe both? And that's wrong?
The point I was making in my OP (never mentioning Clintons at all) is that she could get a fresh start because she has a cause. But the wardrums will never stop in her case which seems unfair.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)The GOP feels very threatened by Mrs. Clinton, IMHO. They will pull out all the stops to discredit by innuendo, insinuation, suggestion, intimation, implication, hint, overtone, undertone, allusion, reference and the just plain old cut throat Karl Rove type of political bullshit, to start off the next election cycle.
The GOP sez, "Be wholesome and clean, in thought, word and deed," like Dave Vitter, or Larry Craig, or, or, or or or? The "Values Voters" needed to be politically prodded, by the Clenis, so Monica comes out of the woodwork, like your typical swift-boat Koch-Roach Internet Troll.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)Sounds like a Karl Rove idea!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)In her first major public appearance, she is speaking out against Cyber Bullying... e.g., many of the responses on this thread alone.
"Thankfully, people aren't punched every day on the street. But it happens all the time on the internet. Even as Im talking to you now, this is happening, to someone online. And depending on what you guys are tweeting right now, it may also be happening to me later..."
wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)She wouldn't be "back" or even known if HE didn't cheat on his wife with his intern!!!
As I understand, she has difficulty getting hired and is trying to make the best of a terrible situation. She will be known forever for performing oral sex. Bill Clinton, the married father who lied about "that woman" will always be the charming, jovial President.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Justice
(7,185 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)I'm glad shes still standing.
tblue37
(65,328 posts)"presidential kneepads." She was not merely succumbing to youthful emotions. She targeted him. Clinton is a hound dog--to the point where his handlers felt it necessary to constantly run interference to block the women who approached him, because they knew he would give chase, just like a poorly trained dog who sees a squirrel and drags his owner by the leash as he tears off after it.
But ML was no innocent child. She was a heat-seeking missle who jumped at the minuscule opening left during a particularly grinding period when the presidential handlers' vigilance briefly lapsed.
I get furious when I think of the damage Clinton's lack of self-control did to Gore and the Dem Party's credibility during the 2000 election. But I don't consider ML an innocent whose emotions were exploited by an older man. I don't doubt her claims that she did fall for him and fool herself into believing he would ditch Hillary for her, but I am quite sure that her initial approach to him was a calculated, determined effort to win those presidential kneepads, no matter how carefully BC's handlers endeavored to keep him away from young women who might catch his eye.
Justice
(7,185 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Justice
(7,185 posts)Go off and do something, but why the need for the public eye, to do it in public?
I think she likes the attention. I also think it is incredibly odd that now, as we move into another POTUS election that she emerges again.
Seems like she wants to remind us of when she was 22 to hurt the Clintons, not that she wants to make a new life for herself.
I don't think the press is hard on her - I think they LOVE having her to talk about again.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)But I also wish her happiness and success. I also think she has been punished way too long. Well, I think any punishment was too much. I say this a completely unapologetic Clinton supporter.
aikoaiko
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no_hypocrisy
(46,080 posts)She was 22. She thought she was in love. She even considered that Clinton would divorce Hillary and marry her. (That was as delusional as Marilyn Monroe seeing herself as First Lady the second Kennedy Administration.)
I give ML credit for being a survivor. I agree that once Lucy Goldberg and Matt Drudge stole her privacy, her future was not predictable or positive. And she didn't see it coming because of her youth and inexperience.
She can't get even a decent job because of her notoriety. By coming out now, maybe she can be regarded as a sideshow act of the Clinton White House and she can finally move on.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Since the Lewinsky scandal, she became somewhat of a celebrity, appearing on Saturday Night Live, The Tom Green show, as well as countless interviews concerning the affair. Monica was paid $1 million endorse Jenny Craig in TV commercials. Lewinsky teamed with author Andrew Morton to publish the book Monica's Story in 1999. Her book advance reportedly $500,000. She also became a fashion designer, selling a collection of handbags under her name. Despite moderate success, Lewinsky did not continue with the handbag line. Growing tired of the US media attention, Lewinsky moved to London in 2005. The following year, she graduated with a masters in social psychology at London School of Economics.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/monica-lewinsky-net-worth/
CTyankee
(63,903 posts)whole affair?
No one has said much if any about this here and I have to wonder why. If it was just an embarrassment it wouldn't have been that bad, IMO. But the affair could have caused a major crisis in the operation of our government and that is not nothing. Not that Gore would not have been capable of taking over if Clinton was convicted but I still think it was a HUGE risk for this country. Some bad actors internationally could have very well made moves against us while we were in political chaos. And had it not been for the affair, Gore's presidential bid might have played out more positively on the Clinton "prosperity" rather than the scandal+impeachment which put Gore into a straitjacket. We might never have gotten W and of course, no Iraq War.
There is NO WAY this was not a very serious matter. Lewinsky was playing with dynamite and Clinton was egregiously out of line. We lost a lot as a result.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)its really in the past. I don't know why she's rehashing the whole thing. Both clintons paid for his behavior and I do think Monica got a bad deal.
I'm a hillary supporter but I don't wish Monica any ill will. The GOP will try to do something with this. Turn into Monghazi. It's not unexpected.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)before the mid term election is suspicious. .
MerryBlooms
(11,767 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Clinton should have told the press, "It's none of your business" and left it at that. Ditto for Monica.
louis-t
(23,292 posts)The public had all but forgotten her. I hope no one is putting her up to this (cough-paying her-cough) in the run up to 2016. Because, you know, Hillary is responsible for her husband cheating.
By the way, she has made millions as a result of this. Don't feel too sorry for her.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Hillary running in 2016, and now Monica works at Faux. My prediction anyways.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)onecent
(6,096 posts)who is probably paying her for this??????????
Orrex
(63,203 posts)Wait. What?
Dr. Strange
(25,919 posts)Orrex
(63,203 posts)Preemptively.