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marym625

(17,997 posts)
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:30 AM Oct 2014

Who has had police violate their rights?

Last edited Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:16 AM - Edit history (1)

I used to get pulled over for being cute. It was annoying and a little scary being pulled over when you had no idea why. But nothing like I experienced when I was 17.

When I was 17 I was in a car with 5 guys. One was my boyfriend. He and 1 other in the car were in a band. We were waiting for the place they were playing to open.

Cops approached and ordered us all out of the car. They searched us and the vehicle. No one had anything but there was an unopened 12 pack in the car. I was the only one under age.

They took us all down to the police station and held us for hours. They finally let the guys in the band go. The owner of the place they were playing at had called and was upset the band couldn't play.

I was then taken into a holding cell that had cameras and was strip searched. The guys watched the cops watching this happen to me.

They eventually let us all go. I never did anything because I wasn't supposed to be with my boyfriend. I was more afraid of my parents at that time.

I wonder how many others here have been abused by cops.

Believe me, that experience was horrible and still haunts me.

10/31/14 7:10am I just posted a poll. Please feel free to respond to both this thread and the poll. I appreciate all responses a great deal

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025739395

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Who has had police violate their rights? (Original Post) marym625 Oct 2014 OP
I was sixteen.... FormerOstrich Oct 2014 #1
OMG marym625 Oct 2014 #2
Indeed..... FormerOstrich Oct 2014 #6
Yay Dad! marym625 Oct 2014 #8
That's a great story.... FormerOstrich Oct 2014 #16
Thank you marym625 Oct 2014 #18
If you haven't already marym625 Nov 2014 #97
I was questioned about a felony as a child without an adult present. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #3
That's huge marym625 Oct 2014 #4
The cop in question was as spectacular moron, LeftyMom Oct 2014 #7
No they sure shouldn't marym625 Oct 2014 #12
Only my younger sister. LeftyMom Oct 2014 #13
LOL! marym625 Oct 2014 #14
I Think A Better Question Would Be........ ChoppinBroccoli Oct 2014 #5
wow! marym625 Oct 2014 #10
I was pulled over and forced at gunpoint to lie facedown on the ground bhikkhu Oct 2014 #9
How horrible marym625 Oct 2014 #11
Maybe its the flip side of "white privilege" bhikkhu Oct 2014 #15
eradicate the "white" part of "white privilege" marym625 Oct 2014 #21
Exactly. bhikkhu Oct 2014 #23
The cop came in your living room? Mariana Oct 2014 #20
He was a bit angry and hot, it was a pretty hot day bhikkhu Oct 2014 #22
I got strip searched over parking tickets. Won a class action lawsuit against Chicago Police Dept. ancianita Oct 2014 #17
Good for you for standing up for yourself! marym625 Oct 2014 #19
Yep. They been on their backs since the 90's, when Chicago was the only city in ancianita Oct 2014 #67
I live in Chicago too marym625 Oct 2014 #71
Lawyer up. It's illegal. If you've got evidence, use it. Get damages. Seriously! ancianita Oct 2014 #68
Too many years ago marym625 Oct 2014 #72
who hasn't? nt G_j Oct 2014 #24
seems like not many marym625 Oct 2014 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #26
I don't know what to say marym625 Oct 2014 #27
Thank you Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #31
Exactly marym625 Oct 2014 #33
Funny this thread should pop up this morning! rppper Oct 2014 #28
Wow marym625 Oct 2014 #29
Dogs are of questionable reliability Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #34
Is it the dog that is unrealiable marym625 Oct 2014 #35
Kind of works out the same Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #36
I assumed it would be bad marym625 Oct 2014 #40
My own anecdotal story Art_from_Ark Oct 2014 #82
He would snap his fingers around the passenger door... rppper Oct 2014 #47
I'm begining to be at a loss for words marym625 Oct 2014 #52
Think we amused them One_Life_To_Give Oct 2014 #30
Did I miss a post? marym625 Oct 2014 #32
Never had a bad experience, but these stories make me wonder why Township75 Oct 2014 #37
I'm finding that many who consider themselves liberals, are not marym625 Oct 2014 #38
Mostly agree Township75 Oct 2014 #46
Thank you for the clarification marym625 Oct 2014 #51
I was beaten up by a cop BubbaFett Oct 2014 #39
I'm so sorry marym625 Oct 2014 #41
I had to leave that town BubbaFett Oct 2014 #43
No excuse marym625 Oct 2014 #45
Sorry for you, seriously. CPD beat the shit beat out of my brother while in handcuffs, too. ancianita Oct 2014 #69
Mine too. Had to take him to the hospital. Stiches and a concussion. n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #77
I've had them try, by saying I was disturbing the peace at a Dubya rally. Hee. WinkyDink Oct 2014 #42
Any chance that was at the "anti inauguration"? marym625 Oct 2014 #48
I was 17 and questioned w/out a parent re: an armed robbery NightWatcher Oct 2014 #44
what is wrong with these people? marym625 Oct 2014 #50
Cops pick on people who don't know their rights NightWatcher Oct 2014 #58
I would say that the cops think don't know their rights marym625 Oct 2014 #62
I had a police officer refuse to take my witness statement to a beating I witnessed, I was the only Tikki Oct 2014 #49
Do you know what happened to the kid? marym625 Oct 2014 #53
I gave all the information to his Mother along with my name and phone number. Tikki Oct 2014 #59
sounds like the person who assaulted the marym625 Oct 2014 #63
That is exactly what my husband said..... Tikki Oct 2014 #66
Smart Man! :) n/t marym625 Oct 2014 #70
Who hasn't, that's most likely a shorter list. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #54
Seems that's the case marym625 Oct 2014 #55
Of course. The entire LGBT 'liberation' movement was born at the end of a cop's bludgeon.... Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #56
It sure was marym625 Oct 2014 #60
I don't know if it counts as UglyGreed Oct 2014 #57
How scary marym625 Oct 2014 #61
Glad I can UglyGreed Oct 2014 #87
I'm sorry marym625 Oct 2014 #90
A few times, but no permanent damage. hunter Oct 2014 #64
wow, I can't imagine waking up to people in my room marym625 Oct 2014 #65
An off duty police officer told me he "hate(s) n-words" Taitertots Oct 2014 #73
Jesus christ on a cheese sandwich! marym625 Oct 2014 #74
He was talking about a guy who just left the gas station Taitertots Oct 2014 #75
Oh. marym625 Oct 2014 #76
When I was 18 Texasgal Oct 2014 #78
Good for you! marym625 Oct 2014 #79
This was back in 1986 Texasgal Oct 2014 #80
It is amazing marym625 Oct 2014 #83
I have never directly had my rights violated, BUT . . . markpkessinger Oct 2014 #81
Very well written marym625 Oct 2014 #84
Let's see: Once the typical way, harrassment, lies, etc. freshwest Oct 2014 #85
That's some heavy stuff marym625 Oct 2014 #88
No, my career was not that, what I did was simply being a human being, with great financial losses. freshwest Oct 2014 #93
What an incredible person marym625 Oct 2014 #94
No, but I'm white, male and look 'respectable'. The LAPD did scare KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #86
Sure does make a difference marym625 Oct 2014 #89
I've been subjected to search without probable cause. I've been detained for no reason multiple TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #91
Damn! marym625 Oct 2014 #92
I'm mixed but pretty fair so I probably get less hassle than the less pigment challenged. TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #95
pigment challenged! marym625 Oct 2014 #96

FormerOstrich

(2,699 posts)
1. I was sixteen....
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:51 AM
Oct 2014

and working at the local fast-food/ice-cream shop. One of the small town Missouri cops would hit on me all the time. He seemed ancient to me at the time but I suppose he was probably 30ish.

He told me if I didn't sleep with him he would make my life hell. I didn't and he did!

Him and his buddies terrorized me. I was constantly pulled over and harassed. I feared at some point they were going to rape me or shoot me.

Small town cops strike fear in my heart!

FormerOstrich

(2,699 posts)
6. Indeed.....
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:01 AM
Oct 2014

I finally went to my Dad which was so difficult for me because I wasn't an angel and I was afraid he wouldn't believe me. However, it was a turning point in our relationship. I told him what had been going on and how scared I was.

He and I went to the Chief of Police. That man sat there and told my dad so many lies. They had talked to my employer and told him I was selling drugs at work. My dad seemed like he was taking it all in and I was so scared.

Finally, my dad said I had told him the officer was "sweet on me". The Chief of Police told Dad they had been trying to "kindle a fire with me" so I'd reveal my dealers!

Finally Dad got up (Dad was a former marine sergeant and could be very intimidating). He leaned over the desk and put his face in the chiefs face. He told him he had never heard so much bullshit in his life. He said to tell the officer to watch when crossing the street or he might run over him.

They never bothered me again!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
8. Yay Dad!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:12 AM
Oct 2014

That's awesome.

My dad defended me to the nuns at an all girl Catholic School. I was not an angel either but I never stole anything. Someone reported $200 gone from their gym locker. I was taken down to the principal's office, where cops were waiting. I had no idea what was going on. I was taken into another office and searched by the cop, again, male, who had me take everything but my underwear off.

Finally, after they found nothing they called my Dad. They told him, "you'll be glad to know your daughter didn't steal money."

he rushed down to the school and ripped the nun a new one. Told her she was a disgrace to the Catholic religion and more. My father was a devout Catholic. For him to speak to a nun like that was a huge deal. For me, it was a turning point in our relationship. He believed in me and stood up for me.

Dads rock!

FormerOstrich

(2,699 posts)
16. That's a great story....
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:49 AM
Oct 2014

Thanks for the thread...it's nice to hear where others come from (and about Dads!)

marym625

(17,997 posts)
18. Thank you
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:25 AM
Oct 2014

My Dad died 11/3/13 so he's on my mind a lot. Miss him like crazy.

My favorite Dad protecting me story was when an ex boyfriend was dissing me all over the place. My Dad called him and told him that if he didn't stop he would be "walking around with your balls in your mouth. "

Yay Dad!

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
3. I was questioned about a felony as a child without an adult present.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:57 AM
Oct 2014

Which isn't anywhere near as big a deal as what happened to you, but it wasn't legal or right either.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
4. That's huge
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:59 AM
Oct 2014

Questioning a child without a parent present? Especially for a felony! No excuse and enormous infringement.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
7. The cop in question was as spectacular moron,
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:07 AM
Oct 2014

because if he'd taken two minutes to check out the scene of the "crime" (a reported home break-in) he would have found out that the house was locked up tight and had a hair trigger alarm that went off all the time.

Which did happen after I explained to him that children running up the street in broad daylight in the summertime aren't suspicious, they're playing, and that the alarm on the house in question (one of my family's neighbors) went off constantly.

Eight year old girls shouldn't have to explain their job to cops.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
13. Only my younger sister.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:26 AM
Oct 2014

I guess maybe we can tell our dad that story without getting grounded for life now? Nah, probably shouldn't risk it.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,781 posts)
5. I Think A Better Question Would Be........
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:00 AM
Oct 2014

...........who HASN'T had police violate their rights?

If you've had any kind of interaction with the police AT ALL in the last decade or more, chances are good that your rights were violated, whether or not you knew it. Police actually take training classes in how to violate your rights and then cover it up and lie about it so they don't get caught and still get the conviction. And since the Prosecutor's Office and 90% of the judges are in bed with them, they pretty much do it with impunity. It's become so commonplace that most people don't even know when their rights have been violated, and will actually stand up for the cops violating their rights. I've been saying for years that after constant indoctrination from a young age (the nice policeman is your friend), we've become a police state without even knowing it. And most Americans LOVE it.

As for my personal experience, I was actually the victim of police brutality years ago. I was at the bars on Ohio State's campus the night before a big football game. The bars closed at 2:00 AM, and all the people in all the bars were coming out and heading home. Naturally, the crowd was huge, and Columbus Police were out in force. They had roped off the streets so that the only way you could cross the street was at the crosswalks. While waiting in a crowd of people to cross the street (a crowd that was in no way unruly--we were all simply waiting to cross the street), a jackbooted Columbus cop maced the entire crowd. Needless to say, it was not a pleasant experience. Not to mention the fact that by doing this, he took what had been a very orderly crowd and caused them to bolt in all directions like a frightened herd of animals. Good work. And just think what might have happened had someone fallen down while running away from the mace. They would have been trampled to death. But then again, we're talking about a police force that was so corrupt that the FBI had to actually step in and investigate the constant allegations of ongoing police brutality.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
10. wow!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:16 AM
Oct 2014

Macing a bunch of kids going home? What the fuck is the matter with these people?

I think you must have to have something wrong with you to even want to be a cop nowadays.

I am glad you are alright. That stuff can leave permanent damage

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
9. I was pulled over and forced at gunpoint to lie facedown on the ground
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:14 AM
Oct 2014

in the rain, some years ago in Georgia. I just did what they told me, and as I was down there figured out that they probably ran my plates and found a "stolen car" flag on it from an incident that happened a year before, on the opposite coast, that never got the paperwork cleared up when the car was recovered. I waited for them to let me explain and find the paperwork in the glove box, and they eventually apologized and told me to get that taken care of, let me drive home.

That wasn't so bad, and it was understandable, though at the time I was coming home from a movie date with a girlfriend. She was much less impressed and we didn't go out again.

Another time I had a cop knock on my door - very red-faced and angry, hand on his gun, and demand to know where I had been the last few hours. I'd been out grocery shopping. He came in the living room still all square-off and talking on the radio until more cops arrived and I found me grocery bags with receipts and so forth. Turns out someone had stolen the front license plate off my car (which I didn't notice) and gotten involved in a high-speed chase and gotten away. They ran the plates and got my address and blazed over my way, checked and found my car was still hot...anyway, again a gruff eventual apology and they went on their way. Understandable.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
11. How horrible
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:20 AM
Oct 2014

Especially that it happened on a date.

Not understandable. If their first contact is so overboard and demeaning, then they have problems. It would have been just as easy to put you in the back of the car while they checked things out.

You're more understanding than I

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
15. Maybe its the flip side of "white privilege"
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:46 AM
Oct 2014

which my face does provide for (whether I deserve it or not, in a given situation). I haven't thought a lot about it, but I just assume I'll always be treated fairly one way or another, so I was pretty sure both times I had nothing to worry about. Had I been born with a different skin color I would have had a background of different life experiences, and I probably wouldn't have made that assumption.

For the record (on edit) I don't think of white privilege so much as a thing that needs to be eliminated, as a thing that should be extended to everyone. If people know how to treat white people well, they know how to treat everyone else well too; its not like learning something new, its just an extension of what they know already.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
21. eradicate the "white" part of "white privilege"
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:54 AM
Oct 2014

and then you just get common decency for all. The privilege is gone when there is true equality

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
20. The cop came in your living room?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:07 AM
Oct 2014

Did you give him permission to come in? If you didn't, and he didn't have a warrant, he violated your rights just by doing that.

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
22. He was a bit angry and hot, it was a pretty hot day
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:55 AM
Oct 2014

I asked him in and offered him some lemonade (which he declined). Just being polite.

ancianita

(35,932 posts)
17. I got strip searched over parking tickets. Won a class action lawsuit against Chicago Police Dept.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:00 AM
Oct 2014

The whole experience was pretty ugly. We tend to try to forget the wrongs done to us and just move on. But with this one, I'm damned sure glad I got the money!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
19. Good for you for standing up for yourself!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:29 AM
Oct 2014

That's awesome!

It was Coles County Illinois where I was strip searched. So wish I had taken action against them

On a separate note, did you see Amnesty International is going after Chicago and the Chicago PD? For brutality and torture

ancianita

(35,932 posts)
67. Yep. They been on their backs since the 90's, when Chicago was the only city in
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 03:57 PM
Oct 2014

the world put on Amnesty International's list of human rights violators. SO many citizens have been shot and killed right in front of their own homes by police lately, it's feeling like a war zone.

http://report.wechargegenocide.org/people.html

Last night my neighborhood, Hyde Park -- where Obama's home is, right? -- had a community meeting with over 200 in attendance, the issue being the discriminatory treatment of blacks and whites in this community by University of Chicago Police Department, which has all the law enforcement powers that Chicago Police Dept. does. A lot of understanding of law and a collection of 'incidents' were made known, and the community is in full accord about making this university and its district commanders answerable to the 65,000 citizens their jurisdiction allegedly 'serves and protects.'

This stuff just feeds into my addiction triggers.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
71. I live in Chicago too
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:58 PM
Oct 2014

I'm on the north side.

It's insanity here.

I wasn't aware Amnesty had done this before, though it does sound familiar now that you mention it. I wonder if they'll come here too. We'll be the second city again. This time for the second city Amnesty International actually came to inside the US for human rights violations

marym625

(17,997 posts)
25. seems like not many
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:12 AM
Oct 2014

But it looks like many women have been harassed and/or stripped searched. Didn't quite expect that. I guess I was hoping I was one of only a few. It is as traumatic an experience as being raped at gunpoint was.

Response to marym625 (Original post)

marym625

(17,997 posts)
27. I don't know what to say
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:16 AM
Oct 2014

I am so sorry for your loss, for your abuse, for everything.

What horrible experiences. Everyone one of them. Each one is more horrid than the last. To know this cop killed your mom, I can't fathom it.

It's very difficult to discuss molestation at a young age. Even though as adults we know we were victims, the child mentality that it is somehow our faults and we should feel shame doesn't ever seem to completely leave us. I'm just so sorry you suffered so.

Thank you so much for sharing such painful, tragic experiences.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
31. Thank you
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:39 AM
Oct 2014

I have avoided discussing it beyond my wife and therapist because no matter how I may understand it intellectually, it sounds like whining to me. I certainly don't see it that way when it happens to others, but I guess it is part of the damage done by how it was handled. Again, to be perfectly frank, I came to terms with what was done to me by this sick man years ago, but the betrayal and abuse by the police lingers to this day. People often make the argument that I shouldn't blame the police as an institution for the actions of a minority. That excuse is laughable on so many levels.

1) Police judge people every day based on the actions of a minority, especially minorities.

2) "Good cops" know who the "bad cops" are, but protect them explicitly. or implicitly, with their silence.

3) I DO expect the police to be held to a HIGHER standard than the general public. We give policeman a gun and a badge and a license to make literal life and death decisions about us, so why is it unreasonable to demand the highest possible standard of conduct from them.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
33. Exactly
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:50 AM
Oct 2014

I am so glad and honored you've shared with us.

They should be held to a higher standard. I will add to your list that they are given trust. Every time a cop keeps silent about another cop's abuses, that trust is intentionally broken. Trust is absolutely, without a doubt, the MOST important part of any and all relationships.

rppper

(2,952 posts)
28. Funny this thread should pop up this morning!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:17 AM
Oct 2014

I was pulled over last night in Port Orange Florida for a headlight out. The officer was nice enough...I cooperated...but it became a 90 minute stop with a K-9 unit...I was picking up a son and nephew from a bar because they didn't want to drive....after a deep 30 minute search through my car I finally told an officer that they've searched my car from top to bottom and his dog was wrong, it was my wife's car, that she drives her children around in, and I was starting to feel intimidated and harased...that ended it a few minutes later and we were all released soon after...I was cited for not having my liscense on my person. I told my son later that I feared them trying to plant something in there for all of their time

marym625

(17,997 posts)
29. Wow
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:22 AM
Oct 2014

Sounds like the dog was given the "pretend you found something" signal?

I am so glad it went down without anyone being hurt or arrested.

What do we do? Do we stand our ground for our rights like the guy in the video from Sunday? Or like the guy that was tased through the window during an illegal stop for a being black family? Or the guy threatened with having his child taken away for being a black male passenger with a white female driver? Or do we just do everything they say regardless of our rights?

I'm so sick of this shit.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
34. Dogs are of questionable reliability
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:52 AM
Oct 2014

and their is mounting science to prove it.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/crime-courts/legal-challenge-questions-reliability-police-dogs

I am polite, but refuse to allow myself or my car to be searched without a warrant. I have do not drink and have never used an illicit drug in my life, but I have no tolerance for violations of my person and privacy.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
35. Is it the dog that is unrealiable
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:09 PM
Oct 2014

or the cops controlling the dogs? Sorry, I don't have time to read the article right now but I will later.

Good for you. I am unsure if you saw this, but this guy is my new hero. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025726922

It's pretty intense. The article about it from www.thefreethoughtproject.com is posted within the thread. I was rather freaked out by the video initially and posted too quickly. Should have gotten more info on it first.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
36. Kind of works out the same
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:15 PM
Oct 2014


Here is the key point:

In 2010, a team of researchers at the University of California, Davis set out to test the reliability of drug- and bomb-sniffing dogs.

The team assembled 18 police dogs and their handlers and gave them a routine task: go through a room and sniff out the drugs and explosives.

But there was a twist. The room was clean. No drugs, no explosives.

In order to pass the test, the handlers and their dogs had to go through the room and detect nothing.

But of 144 runs, that happened only 21 times, for a failure rate of 85 percent.

Although drug-sniffing dogs are supposed to find drugs on their own, the researchers concluded that they were influenced by their handlers, and that's what led to such a high failure rate

About a month after the results of the UC Davis experiment were released, the Chicago Tribune published a study looking into three years of drug searches by suburban Illinois police departments.

The study revealed that when dogs "alerted" officers to drugs, they were right 44 percent of the time. For Hispanic drivers, the rate was only 27 percent.

Police told the Tribune that when drugs weren't found, the dogs were detecting drug residue that was left in the vehicles.

But that explanation is bogus, according to Lawrence Myers, an Auburn University professor who has studied police dogs for 30 years.

While residual odors can cause false alerts, Myers said, too many dog handlers often use it as an excuse, making it all but impossible to assess accurately the reliability of the dog's nose or the validity of a search.

"Frankly, many times it's a search warrant on a leash," Myers said of the drug-sniffing police dog.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
40. I assumed it would be bad
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:03 PM
Oct 2014

but that's HORRID. Thanks for posting that. Still intend to read the article, just checking things while on hold.

I wonder if there are any statistics on how the dogs do without their owner. Just all by themselves.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
82. My own anecdotal story
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:44 PM
Oct 2014

I was in the customs area of an international airport when one of the officers came around with a dog (Golden Retriever) who took a very keen interest in me. I was directed to another room where the customs officers looked through all my luggage and of course, they found nothing because I won't have anything to do with contraband. The reason why the "drug dog" was so interested in me was because I had handled several dogs just before I left the US and I still had their scent on me.

rppper

(2,952 posts)
47. He would snap his fingers around the passenger door...
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:24 PM
Oct 2014

, but I knew good and well there wasn't a thing in that car. I had a drunk son and nephew with me at the time, and we're all 3 big, tattooed guys with squeaky clean records. There are so many scenarios where it could have went south...4 squad cars for a light out? That's excessive, especially when you've been 100% cooperative. That was my true first taste of it last night....I'm lucky...but I don't feel I'll be quite as cooperative in the future.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
52. I'm begining to be at a loss for words
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:55 PM
Oct 2014

just unbelievable.

Again, I'm very glad it didn't go south.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
30. Think we amused them
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:38 AM
Oct 2014

There was the odd officer with a Hair across his Arse. But for the most part my friends and I didn't have the problems described above. On the late night noise call when you had to get a dragster lined up with the trailer. The cop who arrived was more interested in the motor than the supposed noise. And atleast once, sunday morning's shift change found mummified gas pumps. And in one case an initially aggressive cop upon finding a icy road and narrow bridge put him partially in the creak. Found no report to the chief was necessary when a few people put the car back on the road without saying anything.

I am troubled by the cops these days. Perhaps all the more because I know it could be so much better. This us vs them mentality is a bunch of BS.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
32. Did I miss a post?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:46 AM
Oct 2014

Followed what a happened a little but it feels like there was something more before this post?

I completely agree with your last paragraph.

Township75

(3,535 posts)
37. Never had a bad experience, but these stories make me wonder why
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:39 PM
Oct 2014

People especially liberals want to relinquish rights that actually give citizens power.

Some of us actually defend the NSA.

Some of us want to reduce or relo minute gun ownership rights.

Donyou really want these people to have more power over you and be more in control over you. Oh and guns don't mean you are going to blast any cop at yur door, but it does mean that they can't kick in any door fearlessly and a lot of bullies won't stick up to anyone if they have he means to fight back.

And are you going to be ok with the NSA when the next bush or Cheney are in charge instead of Obama ?

marym625

(17,997 posts)
38. I'm finding that many who consider themselves liberals, are not
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:56 PM
Oct 2014

I don't know ANY real liberal that want to give up civil rights. Not for any reason.

I disagree with the your analysis of the 2nd amendment rights and liberals. Personally, I HATE guns. HATE HATE HATE. However, I understand there is reason for having them. But this open carry stuff, especially without background checks or having to get special permits for open carry, are dangerous, excessive and not at all what was intended by the second amendment. It is the interpretation of that amendment that is at issue.

The sheeple that argue for the NSA aren't liberals in my mind. They're just as bad as any person that parrots fox news.

If you're addressing me directly, which is seems you are, you obviously don't know me or what I believe, know and stand for.

As far as having a gun to defend your home against cops, it seems it's only legal for white people. Black people have prosecution seeking the death penalty. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/prosecutor-seeking-death-penalty-officer-killed-knock-raid/

Township75

(3,535 posts)
46. Mostly agree
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:20 PM
Oct 2014

I was not addressing you. Poorly worded post by myself. "You " meant the reader.

Also I understand why someone may be against open carry. I don't get the guns only for the police army govt etc stuff. It's just going to make it easier for the right power hungry person to cross a line due to no fear of consequences.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
51. Thank you for the clarification
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:44 PM
Oct 2014

I will say that I don't know anyone that believes guns should be banned. Well, I wish they were but I am not delusional. I know that would never happen. I also don't want anyone to have them. But what we advocate for are stricter rules about who can have them, how they can carry them and how they can be obtained. Walking into a gun show or fair and purchasing weapons right then and there without background checks is insane.

I will say too that what is happening with cops lately, I believe at some point soon, we may need them. And that kills me.

 

BubbaFett

(361 posts)
39. I was beaten up by a cop
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:01 PM
Oct 2014

Big roid rage cop, took me out of sight on the way to lock up and beat the living fuck out of me while I was handcuffed in the back of the squad car.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
41. I'm so sorry
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:07 PM
Oct 2014

What a horrible thing. I hope you did not have permanent injuries. Though, I would assume, there will always be an emotional scar.

I really think cops should be regularly tested for steroids. And it should be mandatory for every shooting or physical abuse of any kind.

 

BubbaFett

(361 posts)
43. I had to leave that town
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:11 PM
Oct 2014

When they brought me through the sally port at the lockup, it was the jailer who got pissed and called EMS.

I don't know if he was sworn personnel, but he got me out of range of that psychotic motherfucker.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
45. No excuse
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:19 PM
Oct 2014

Did they get rid of the psychiatric portion of testing prior to hiring cops?

I'm so sorry

marym625

(17,997 posts)
48. Any chance that was at the "anti inauguration"?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:28 PM
Oct 2014

I went to DC for that. Actually flipped him off as he drove by in his limo and he was looking right at me. I was so happy!!!!

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
44. I was 17 and questioned w/out a parent re: an armed robbery
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:17 PM
Oct 2014

I was working at a video store (remember those) when it was robbed after hours when my coworker hid a friend in the back room until the store was closed. It was obvious from the video footage that I was not "in" on the robbery. Yet I was harassed and questioned by the cops for 5 hours before they let me go. For weeks after that, the lead detective followed me from school to work and home afterwards. The coworker who was responsible for it never came back for his final paycheck, nor did he return to work, yet nothing happened to him . I was able to keep working there for a few more months before I needed to leave.


marym625

(17,997 posts)
50. what is wrong with these people?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:34 PM
Oct 2014

I keep saying that and obviously it's rhetorical, but DAMN!

How they get away these abuses all the time is beyond me. It almost seems as there is not one honest cop, or at least a cop brave enough to stand against another, in the entire country.

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
58. Cops pick on people who don't know their rights
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:16 PM
Oct 2014

That's why they harass kids, poor people, immigrants...

marym625

(17,997 posts)
62. I would say that the cops think don't know their rights
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:29 PM
Oct 2014

Or at least think they won't do anything about it.

Yes, I totally believe that many times it's just about shits and giggles for them.

Tikki

(14,549 posts)
49. I had a police officer refuse to take my witness statement to a beating I witnessed, I was the only
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:31 PM
Oct 2014

witness...except for the victim.

The very first thing the police officer did was to inform me they had dealt with
the minor victim before, that he had an infraction.
I asked the officer if he was going to take my witness statement and he raised his voice, got
right in my face and told me I was being "uncooperative".


I found out later the police are not suppose to announce a minor's infractions to just the general public.


Tikki

marym625

(17,997 posts)
53. Do you know what happened to the kid?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:57 PM
Oct 2014

How can they not take a witness statement when a crime was committed and a child was hurt?

Tikki

(14,549 posts)
59. I gave all the information to his Mother along with my name and phone number.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:20 PM
Oct 2014

I have no idea why they wouldn't take my witness statement. When I first called the police to report
the beating, I told the dispatcher I witnessed a car full of teens drive up to a single teen walking on a sidewalk,
one teen jumped out of the car and started beating on the single teen, I screamed for it to stop, but the beating continued
and I yelled I am calling the police.

The teen hopped into the passenger seat and the car drove away. I did not get the license plate because of the angle of the car.
I did get a good look at the beater and I said I would be able to ID him to the dispatcher.

The mother arrived at the scene before the police...
When the police arrived, saw who the victim was... they had no interest in what I had to say.
Tikki

marym625

(17,997 posts)
63. sounds like the person who assaulted the
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:31 PM
Oct 2014

kid had friend on the force.

GOod for you for trying and giving the mom your information. I just hope that kid is extremely successful.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
60. It sure was
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:22 PM
Oct 2014

Though, that doesn't mean every LGBT person has been abused. I am part of that group and have not been harassed because of it, yet.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
57. I don't know if it counts as
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:06 PM
Oct 2014

as violation of my rights, but, I was held at gunpoint after I moved into a new apartment as I was doing some carpentry work in the apartment at my landlord request.

I was new to the neighborhood and a neighbor called the police thinking I was robbing the place.
They came up with guns drawn, as I turned the corner and saw them through the kitchen window. I had shorts and a tool apron on and that was it.

I threw up my hands while holding a hammer into the air. They came into the house still pointing the guns at me and yelled to drop the hammer. My Brittany (best dog I ever had) ran out the door and I yelled please don't shoot my dog, he is just hyper and does not bite. I was pretty scared but once they realized I was not a threat they allowed me to retrieve my dog.

This was 1993 and IMO if I were a different color or perhaps this happened now my dog would be dead and I'm pretty sure I would not be typing right now

marym625

(17,997 posts)
61. How scary
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:26 PM
Oct 2014

Sorry you had to go through that. I'm so glad it wasn't worse.

I'm sure you are correct on both counts. And they would have gotten away with it.

hunter

(38,302 posts)
64. A few times, but no permanent damage.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:38 PM
Oct 2014

There are a couple of cities where it is not safe to sleep in your car because of the cops. I learned that lesson well as a teen and young adult.

I'm a white guy so I never suffered anything worse than a few bruises.

Another time some friends and I were staying in a motel when the cops let themselves in while we were sleeping. That was scary. I woke up to the sound of a girlfriend screaming bloody murder. She'd been sleeping in the bed nearest the door with her girlfriend, I had the other bed all to myself. I think the police were looking for some hippies or prostitutes to shake down but we weren't that. In retrospect I'm glad they didn't plant drugs on us. But it was a very clear message to get out of town.

When I was at my very worst (mental health issues) I had a fairly benign relationship with the local police. I'm pretty sure they thought I was an amusing break from their usual sordid night-shift duties of domestic violence, puking disorderly drunks, and convenience store robberies. I learned to be very polite and cooperative. Sometimes they'd drive me home when they picked me up wandering about. During my darkest time I remember forgetting my shoes when I went on one of my midnight runs. My feet were bleeding, I was a little disturbed in affect, but they still took me home. I'm not sure that would happen today. I suppose they'd have taken me in for a psych evaluation.

I did end up in the E.R. a couple of times and it always irritated me when medical staff simply assumed I was taking illegal drugs. If I want to experience an alternate reality all I have to do is stop taking my prescribed drugs.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
65. wow, I can't imagine waking up to people in my room
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:56 PM
Oct 2014

I would be screaming bloody murder too!

I don't know they would take you for a psych evaluation now. Probably just throw you in jail.

I'm glad that none of your run ins were worse. I'm sorry they happened at all.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
73. An off duty police officer told me he "hate(s) n-words"
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:42 PM
Oct 2014

And asked a gas station attendant if he wanted him to call the police to hassle an African American.

It isn't violating my rights, but it is pretty messed up.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
74. Jesus christ on a cheese sandwich!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:49 PM
Oct 2014

what kind of sick, twisted shit is that?

No, but he offered to violate your rights. I think there must be some law against that. At least something in the rules of being a cop.

Thanks for sharing that

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
75. He was talking about a guy who just left the gas station
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:55 PM
Oct 2014

I was just standing behind him in line. I'm white and the gas station attendant is middle eastern.

Texasgal

(17,038 posts)
78. When I was 18
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:23 PM
Oct 2014

I was driving in far west Texas to meet some friends for a party at Sul Ross University. The drive is long and nothing in between for miles once you hit west Texas.

I was pulled over for speeding. The Texas State Trooper asked me for all the usual stuff and I complied. Just moments later as he was writing my ticket he told me that we could "forget this whole thing" if I lowered my blouse so he could look at my breasts! I told him I'd rather take the ticket and mentioned that my Father was a criminal defense attorney in Austin. He wrote me the ticket and took off!

When I arrived at Sul Ross I called my father who took all the info down from the ticket. He made a official complaint although nothing ever came of it if I remember correctly.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
79. Good for you!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:28 PM
Oct 2014

and what a sick pos.

I am disgusted at how much on this thread is just stuff to harass women.

I hope something happened and you just never learned about it. At least enough that he wouldn't pull that again.

Texasgal

(17,038 posts)
80. This was back in 1986
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:35 PM
Oct 2014

I'm not sure that much happened. I had lots of girl friends that went to Sul Ross and they were constantly pulled over for stupid infractions back then.

When I think back on it and really I haven't for years until tonight as I relayed my story I am just grateful I didn't get raped or something. There is literally NOTHING for miles in West Texas.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
83. It is amazing
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:19 PM
Oct 2014

Worse didn't happen. I am guessing because of your confidence. When I was pulled over they didn't even try to come up with a reason.

I don't think guys understand what kind of shit women have to deal with

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
81. I have never directly had my rights violated, BUT . . .
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 09:42 PM
Oct 2014

. . .I did witness a couple of things done by cops that were terrifying, and indeed, made quite an impression on me. I've written about them before on DU, most recently on Aug. 15 of this year. I'll reproduce that post below:

[font size=4]Two events that opened my eyes to what police are capable of . . .[/font]

I've posted about these in the past, but given the news of the past week, it seems like an appropriate time to post about them once again.

I moved to NYC in 1982, right out of college. Having grown up in a very small, rural town in Pennsylvania, I was taught to view law enforcement as "the good guys," so when I moved to New York, I carried with me that default view of the NYPD. But I personally witnessed two incidents that forced me to see that my view of the essential goodness of the NYPD, and of police in general, had been very naive. Both of these incidents occurred during the Giuliani administration, and had I not witnessed them first hand, I might have had a hard time believing they actually occurred.

The first was in 1998, just a few days after the murder of Matthew Shepard in Laramie, Wyoming. That event touched many people very deeply, myself included. Early one afternoon, I got word from a work colleague that there was to be an impromptu vigil in memory of Matthew at 59th & Fifth Avenue (in front of the Plaza Hotel) at around 4:30 p.m. He said that several other folks from the office were going, and invited me to join, which of course I did. My colleague said he thought it would be a pretty small affair, since it was basically just a word-of-mouth thing that had been organized within the previous 24 hours. The vigil's organizer's, as I understand it, expected maybe a couple hundred people to show up. So they, and everyone else, was shocked when something like 5,000 people assembled. Since we were overflowing the plaza area in front of the hotel, some folks decided perhaps the thing to do would be to make a silent march down Fifth Avenue to Washington Square Park as a memorial to Mr. Shepard and a statement against the violence that took his life. The NYPD quickly stepped in to inform folks that under no circumstances would they be permitted to march, since they hadn't secured a permit in advance. But the crowd's emotions were simply running too high. The police were unprepared for the number of people, but they ultimately agreed to let the march proceed provided it remained on the sidewalk and didn't block traffic on Fifth Avenue. But there were simply too many people to be able to confine them successfully to the sidewalk (although the organizers did try), and the crowd began to spill out onto the avenue as the silent march proceeded.

At about 44th Street, the police managed to split the crowd in two, forcing on half to turn right onto 44th Street, in the direction of 6th Avenue. The police told marchers they would be permitted to go down 6th Avenue instead of Fifth. The crowd complied, because we were not there to pick a fight with the police; we merely wanted to complete our silent vigil/march. When about half of us had been herded onto 44th Street, it quickly became apparent that the police had laid a trap. About two thirds of the way down the block, there was a solid line of policemen in full riot gear, along with equestrian units. Once they got the entirety of the rear half of the crowd onto the block, they corralled us in from behind with netting. And then the line of policemen literally charged the crowd. Even the mounted units charged full speed ahead, with horses stepping on people. The policemen on foot and on horseback began indiscriminately swinging nightsticks at the marchers. Many were injured, and many were herded into police vans and arrested. I managed to get out by ducking into a camera store and pretending to shop. At the time I remember thinking to myself, "this cannot be happening here, in this country, in 1998." But it happened.

The second incident was some months later. I was riding the subway on my way home to Brooklyn in the wee hours of the morning. There were only three or four passengers in the car I happened to be riding in, one of whom was a sleeping homeless guy who had stretched out along the length of one of the benches. If the man owned shoes, he wasn't wearing them. His feet, obviously badly infected, were swollen, mottled messes of black and purple. At one of the stations, two transit police officers boarded the car. They went over to the homeless guy and tried to rouse him, but he couldn't immediately be roused -- he might have been drunk, or maybe he just hadn't slept in days. After a few minutes of shaking him, yelling at him, etc., none of which was successful in waking him, one of the officers took out his nightstick in two hands and swung it, baseball bat style, directly into the soles of the man's feet. Of course, the man immediately sat bolt upright screaming in pain. By then we were approaching another station, were the officers roughly dragged him from the car (presumably to ticket him). For those not from NYC, you can be ticketed for lying down on the subway benches. But this was 3 a.m. in the morning, when next to no one was riding the train, so it's not like he was preventing anyone from being able to sit. Yet these officers, in a display of wantonly thuggish abuse of power, had to make this poor soul's sad life that much more miserable. Cruel, sadistic assholes. They did what they did merely because the could. And they knew that in NYC, even if someone were to complain about their abusive behavior, such complaints generally disappear into the bureaucratic neverland that is the Civilian Complaint Review Board. They knew there would be no consequences whatsoever.

It nags my conscience to this day that I didn't say something to those two police thugs. But if I had, I very likely would have found myself at the business end of that nightstick. To witness that kind of brutality first-hand really changes a person's perspective -- or at least, it really changed mine.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
84. Very well written
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:38 PM
Oct 2014

Thank you for sharing that.

I was in tears thinking about Matthew Shepard. It wasn't that long ago, on a Facebook post by Sexy Liberal, that people from Laramie were trying to convince everyone that his murder had nothing to do with his homosexuality. It was right when that book came out

What was so horrid about it was not just the obvious, but that the page owner had posted a picture of herself with Matthew's mom. The people were even criticizing her looks.

That is very similar to what the Chicago cops did to us protesters against the Iraq war. And we had permits. Over 200 people were arrested in less than a couple hours.

That's some very telling stuff. The story about the homeless man is heartbreaking. Doing something so cruel to someone that can't fight back, basically for their own amusement, is just beyond any words I have.

Thanks for sharing that

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
85. Let's see: Once the typical way, harrassment, lies, etc.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:30 PM
Oct 2014
Second time leaving bruises from shoulders to knees and nearly dislocated both of my shoulders and I still have some trouble because of it.

Third time to coerce me into signing an untrue statement for the state to let them off the hook. Resulting in a weekend in jail, without Miranda, no mug shot, no fingerprints, no charges, not even paperwork, taken before a judge who said essentially, 'What the hell? Release immediately.' My black landlord vouched for me and I was let out on PR , but was harrassed and traumatized for months afterward.

Another time, pure small town bullshit, attempted extortion for cash, but I had none, so they gave up. That was pretty damn spooky, miles away from anywhere.

Have spent more effort to keep other people out of jail, as I never did anything criminal in those cases and was advised to sue them. Other than that, my interactions with PD have been positive as they were glad to assist my work to keep others out of the system.

So it's a mixed bag. My white privilege worked in my favor every single time. Life goes on.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
88. That's some heavy stuff
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:05 AM
Oct 2014

I am so sorry you have lifelong problems from their abuse. I commend you for being able to work with the police after that. And what a great thing for you to do, work to keep others out of the system

Is your work to keep others out your career? I very much respect you, though we don't always agree. I am not familiar with what your may be.

I am so tired of seeing such blatant abuses of power without any repercussions for the abusers. Even with so much caught on tape.

Life goes on but it cannot continue like this.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
93. No, my career was not that, what I did was simply being a human being, with great financial losses.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:51 AM
Oct 2014

I consider it part of the cost of living on this planet and being able to look at one's self in the mirror. That was a very tiny part of damages, physical and otherwise, that affected my life more. That is why I discount it.

I apply my strength to keep others alive and well, and am down to just one group at this time. There has never been any reward from it other than seeing their lives continue. I have never been paid, and it was one of my strengths in negotiations, but made the cost higher personally.

It really is about equality, of others being treated as one would want to be treated, even if one is not treated equally. Some have tried to make me out to be a hero when I have helped, but I find that embarrassing. It's not about me.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
94. What an incredible person
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 02:09 PM
Oct 2014

There are not enough of people like you. I think the protesters in Ferguson are like that. One in particular put her last year of nursing school on hold. Brittany (if you follow on twitter @bdoulaoblongata ) and she is now going to Geneva to represent the US at the UN Conference on Racial Equality.

I thank you for what you have done. It takes much more than money. So much energy and personal sacrifice. I truly appreciate what you do.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
86. No, but I'm white, male and look 'respectable'. The LAPD did scare
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:50 PM
Oct 2014

the shit out of my wife and me at the May Day 2012 Occupy Los Angeles demonstrations downtown. All my wife wanted to do was take a picture of the muscled-up LAPD officer who was acting like a bully and telling us we couldn't leave the demo to go back to our car. He got all hostile and threatening. We decided to make discretion the better part of valor and deescalate and found a different exit. But I have little doubt that, had we persisted to try to take that photo, we would have been 'disappeared' into the maw of the Los Angeles jail system. Again, another example of white privilege. Had I and\or my wife been black or Latino . . .

marym625

(17,997 posts)
89. Sure does make a difference
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:12 AM
Oct 2014

to be white. The strong armed, bullying etc seems to happen regardless of race. It's just how far it goes that it makes a difference. That and whether or not an altercation happens at all.

With the seizure laws that are used so often, I think being pulled over and cash taken, the targets have nothing to do with race. But what happens during that blatant thievery, does

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)
91. I've been subjected to search without probable cause. I've been detained for no reason multiple
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:31 AM
Oct 2014

times only to be released without charges because the fuckers couldn't find anything.

I've had guns in my face for what turned out to be a McDonald's BBQ package fall out of the car as a friend was getting out (whatever lying motherfuckers).

I've been written a seat belt ticket when I had the seat belt on and when I pointed this out was advised that "I'm sure I can find other violations if you'd rather I look for them instead", which was later dismissed but I had to burn my daylight to go to court to do so.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
92. Damn!
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:13 AM
Oct 2014

May I ask your race? I am also curious if this was all in the same area. Seems that once someone is on a PD radar, they become a target.

Thanks for sharing this. I am sorry this has happened to you. Especially repeatedly.

I am adding a link to the OP as soon as I finish this reply. Please take part if you don't mind

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)
95. I'm mixed but pretty fair so I probably get less hassle than the less pigment challenged.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 05:26 PM
Oct 2014

All around Louisville but incidents where more concentrated in minority or mixed areas.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
96. pigment challenged!
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:15 PM
Oct 2014

Ha! That's me. My brother once told me I'm not just pale, I'm translucent.

I am sorry to hear you have to face any abuse by the cops. Pigment challenged or not

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