our young black men are being murdered, our girls/women are being raped, by our police force....

[seabeyond]

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and the police are not being prosecuted, or given time.

now. do i really have to say not ALL policemen are murdering and raping and not getting prisoner time for crimes they are committing?

do i really.... have to say this?

i have a higher expectation in communication. i just do. most i chat with, do not need to hear that .... not ALL policemen are a murderin' and rapin'.

the point is pretty simple.

ONCE is wrong. too many and should not be. that simple.

this is becoming a norm. where a fuckin SOLDIER filming a take down of a young black man, went from... "hey, i am not getting on the ground, i am afraid you will shoot me", in confidence cause after all he did not do a fuckin single thing in life to warrant abject, fear.

to him crying. begging. not to die.

and the fuckin out of shape, middle age, nothing but our sons and brothers and fathers and friends, pointing a gun in the mayberry perverted comedy of stupid. i mean. these men are men we know. these men are our friends or have been. they are literally our brothers, sons, husbands. i went to high school with these men. they are not all that. certainly not gods, just people. and yet.... they are out there raping and murdering and sanctioned.

and they simple had the ability to make this soldier pee his pants cause he had three fuckin guns pointed at him. for NO reason. adn he KNEW there was enough of a chance to DIE at that moment. for NOTHING.

(i will see if i can get the video)

in HOF, i believe, another cop gotten for a rapin'. oh, they say coercion. i mean, what the fuck. that is almost seduction. and we know the thumbs up that gets.

our cops, are murdering and raping.

[malthaussen]

1. Not all cops, yeah.

All of us, though. Setting aside the Thin Blue Line crap where no cop will fail to support another because it is Just Not Done, does not the fault lie with the citizens, who constantly allow these "bad apples" to walk, without any semblance of justice? How can a jury acquit (or wrist-slap) a killer, when there is video of him shooting someone cuffed and lying on the ground? What possible justification can there be for such an act?

A couple of days ago, another DUer lost a family member and has another in the hospital, thanks to a road-raging cop. Do you think there will be justice there? So long as the juries let this continue, there will be no end.

-- Mal

[seabeyond]

2. +1. and yes. his story. another one. nt

[Youdontwantthetruth]

3. This is nothing new it has been going on since the 1960's and it has only gotten worse

and will continue to get worse for the foreseeable future.

[seabeyond]

4. ohhhh, well then. all is good. nothing to see folks. just move along.

no thanks.

[Youdontwantthetruth]

6. BS! Why do white folks suddenly care now about what has been happening in the hood for decades?

[etherealtruth]

7. Are you implying that "white folk" should not care NOW, because it has been ignored?

WTF?

[Youdontwantthetruth]

10. No, I am saying, not implying anything, that most white folks only

give a damn about black folk during elections.

I can see right through it for what it really is.


You want to look disingenuous go for it.

You are only 40-50 years too late with the concern.

[seabeyond]

11. most men only give a damn about women folk during elections. i can see right through it for

what it really is.

you want to look disingenuous, go for it.

you are only zillion of years too late with the concern.

really? that is your position? again. no thank you. i will continue to speak out and call it for what it is.

[etherealtruth]

12. It may be the election, it may be horrific widely broadcast recent events ... it may be some have ..

... always been enraged and acted (unarguably a minority).

You would like white folk to continue to ignore it because white folk have historically ignored it ....

Ok, that is an opinion and you are most assuredly entitled to any opinion you wish.

[LanternWaste]

13. More accurately, you see only that which validates your own biases...

"I can see right through it for what it really is..."

More accurately, you see only that which validates your own biases and fail to see that which does not... regardless of how you may rationalize it to yourself; which is itself, rather disingenuous both ion content and appearance.

[damnedifIknow]

8. There are white people who care deeply about this issue

I happen to be one of those to the point of damn near taking over my life. Trust me, we are out there.

[Lochloosa]

17. What is that I see? "White Folk"

Don't make your arguments so broad then people will listen



I could fill up this page with pictures of nuns, clergy etc. marching with Dr. King in the 50-60's.

And let's not forget these three...they gave their lives.

[heaven05]

53. viola luizzo died defending

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our rights to be human beings with the same dignity that she had when she was murdered around Selma, Alabama. There have been many white people that I would trust on my back or in my foxhole in my lifetime and there are many still that I would trust. Not all are just beginning to care. The problem is, the people who are perpetuating the violence and racist mayhem in our society have the power backed by a racist hiding behind a gun and a badge, on the nations highest court and in the hall of congress where the real ability to affect change is. The RW media spews out their lies and disinformation daily. The people I would trust and people of color who have no real power hopefully will come together in the streets and say no more and this is the only salvation for this country.

Only the politicians are so cynical as to care about the problems of this society and the 'hoods' ONLY during election time to gain votes and hold on to the lobbyist money. You are correct. After they win, they could care less. We the people have start fielding people who really care about people and our condition(s)and we also should keep striving to have the ability to change the system that does not allow these type of caring, genuine people to hold office, locally and nationally.

[logosoco]

5. K&R

I am not seeing anywhere where the "good" cops are speaking out about the bad ones. I think the days of the thin blue line are over, because it has not made the police presence in society what it needs to be.

I am "facebook friends" with a group of law enforcement against prohibition (LEAP), but I am not seeing any of the good cops saying much about the horrors we are seeing and hearing about.
I can somewhat understand the need for keeping "trade secrets", but when someone in your profession is doing wrong, you should not keep quiet about it, it damages the profession. I am thinking of the Catholic church and the faculty at Penn State. It comes to no good.

[seabeyond]

9. these policemen that are not speaking out should also want a sentence for criminal behavior.

i am not seeing this either.

[maced666]

14. As those with 'ebola versus gun violence analogy' goes....

The black men being 'murdered' by cops is way off with reality of those gunned down in senseless violence everyday.

[seabeyond]

15. wtf? black men are being murdered by our police. girls/women are being raped by our police.

the crime is not getting a sentence for punishment.

whatever you wrote, so?

[UglyGreed]

16. Many

police officers these days are former military. Just sayin"

[joeglow3]

18. Not all, just most right?

Afterall, it is the now the norm and not the exception.

[seabeyond]

19. enough of a norm to make a soldier cry. how many black men hesitate picking up a bb gun from walmart

hold it out and in the air as he walks to cash register. sure all attention focused on if a cop draws on him, so surely no calling hte wife, to discuss a bday for a son.

really.

i wonder how many black men now think twice about buying a toy gun for their sons at walmart.

you do not see a problem?

[joeglow3]

20. I never said there was not a problem. Just no need for hyperbole.

[seabeyond]

21. ??? facts. police are murdering our young black men, raping our women/girls, with no

criminal repercussion.

no hyperbole. a statement. a factual statement you acknowledge in this very post i am replying to

[joeglow3]

22. It most definitely is NOT the "norm"

[seabeyond]

23. again, enough to make a grown man cry and another not want to buy a toy gun in walmart.

you are really going to argue this?

that should like, oh, i dont know.... bother you

[joeglow3]

24. Like I said, no need for hyperbole

[seabeyond]

26. a man was not reduced to tears, afraid of death, three guns pointed at him?

black men getting a bb gun at walmart is hype to you?

arent you the man, in your privilege.

[joeglow3]

28. You claimed that over 50% of police are killing and raping. That is bullshit

Police murdering and raping most definitely is NOT the "norm."

[seabeyond]

33. look up norm. it was used appropriately. noun 1. a standard, model, or pattern.

noun
1.
a standard, model, or pattern.
2.
general level or average:
Two cars per family is the norm in most suburban communities.
3.
Education.
a designated standard of average performance of people of a given age, background, etc.
a standard based on the past average performance of a given individual.

[joeglow3]

34. And your usage of it was bullshit

It is extremely rare and NOT the norm. Too often? Yes. The norm? Fuck no.

[seabeyond]

36. enough of a pattern to have a soldier crying in fear.

my usage... was right on.

[joeglow3]

38. Bullshit

You and I both know a soldier crying is NOT valid criteria. You just accept it because it supports a conclusion you formed before bothering with facts.

[seabeyond]

42. no. it is because i watched the video. because i watched the cops. because i listened to the man.

because he went from, ... i didnt do anything, to i am not a threat, to i am afraid.

because.... it was wrong. clearly. that should have all of us owning it. i will see if i can find the video.

[seabeyond]

43. here is the video. men, begging, fearful, wanting to follow instruction, but fearful of death.

no, no problem in this.

[joeglow3]

45. I will watch it tonight, after work (promise)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

46. she did NOT say = it IS a norm. she said it is BECOMING a norm. difference there.

do you SEE it ?

[joeglow3]

25. And my wife refuses to get in elevators and will come unglued if she has to

Using your logic, it is the norm that all elevators are unsafe because of her reaction (because of an experience she had in college).

[heaven05]

49. just because

you deem it "not the norm" does NOT make it so. PERIOD.

[Comrade Grumpy]

27. I regularly review reports of police misconduct as part of my job.

It is astounding how many cops get arrested for sexual misconduct (and those are just the ones who get caught). Child porn, sex with minors, sexual harassment, rape. They run the gamut.

EVERY DAY.

There is something very wrong with the law enforcement culture in this country.

Here's today's Google alert. Only a couple of sex offenses today:


Google
officer-arrested OR officer-charged OR officer-convicted OR officer-sentenced
Daily update ? October 30, 2014
NEWS
Federal officer arrested for allegedly threatening Uber driver at gunpoint: 'Do you want to live or die?'
Washington Post
James Brothers has been ferrying passengers around Salt Lake City for months, never worrying too much about his own safety. But that changed Oct.
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CBS Local
Baltimore Police Officer Charged with Assault
CBS Local
BALTIMORE — A Baltimore police officer seen on a video repeatedly punching a man outside a liquor store before arresting him has been charged ...
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azcentral.com
Phoenix officer charged after pulling gun on motorist
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The owners of the Gilbert boarding facility where 23 dogs died pleaded not guilty on animal abuse charges on Wednesday. The owners of the Gilbert ...
Phoenix police officer arrested in traffic dispute - KGUN 9
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On duty Pickens officer charged with assault
Greenville News
A former Pickens city police officer is in jail on charges of misconduct involving a woman while on duty, state law enforcement officials said. Loading…
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CBS Local
Off-duty LAPD officer arrested for lewd act
KABC-TV
An off-duty LAPD officer was arrested for committing a lewd act in Huntington Beach. Authorities say officers were conducting surveillance on Bolsa ...
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Miami New Times
Miami Police officer arrested for allegedly protecting drug deal - WSVN-TV - 7NEWS Miami Ft ...
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MIAMI (WSVN) -- A Miami Police officer has been arrested for reportedly assisting drug traffickers and providing protection to dealers.
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St George News
Corrections officer arrested for unlawful sexual activity with minor
St George News
KANE COUNTY – A 28-year-old Kane County Corrections Officer was arrested for unlawful sexual activity with a minor. Tyler C. Fox, of Kanab, was ...
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Officer charged in big South Jersey drug bust
Vineland Daily Journal
CAMDEN – A Camden County police officer was among 40 people charged in connection with a drug trafficking network, authorities said. The police ...
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FOX40
Off-Duty Roseville Officer Arrested, Accused of Making Criminal Threats
FOX40
An off-duty Roseville Police officer was arrested Tuesday night for allegedly brandishing a gun and making criminal threats. Officers responded to a ...
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[joeglow3]

29. Show me the stats that they are worse, percentage wise, than any other profession.

For being the party that supports science, we can sure be obtuse when it supports us.

[seabeyond]

30. This is not the argument. They hold a gun. They kill. They do not do the time

[joeglow3]

32. If we are talking cover-ups, I agree that is a different issue

The question is, how do we determine what is a cover up and what isn't. Clearly, we need an investigative body and that body is subject to corruption. I don't want to assume every time a police officer is cleared, that they are in fact guilty. As the saying goes "I would rather let a hundred guilty free than convict one innocent man." I am not trying to be cute, I just don't know how you get around it...

[seabeyond]

35. they are found guilty and still walk away with no time. and no...

"I would rather let a hundred guilty free than convict one innocent man."

we have had men use. i would rather a 100 rapist walk, than one innocent man prosecuted.

no

that is not good enough for me.

as warm and fuzzy as that quote is for the one. not so much for the 100 girls raped.

[joeglow3]

37. Problem is that you are interjecting emotion when that is NOT the state's job

Personally, I agree with you.

[seabeyond]

40. you are the one that brought up the free 100, for one innocent. that wasnt emotion?

but cool.

really, it was a video yesterday of the man that went from confident cause he had done nothing, to crying and begging, knowing he had done nothing and might be dead.

to walking into hof to read another cop raping.

i am waiting to see if he gets time. fingers crossed.

none of this is hard. none of it.

starts at the top. when the top want cops to know boundaries, they will. for cops to speak out against teh fellow criminals and demand criminal sentences.

that is all. and we are on our way to correcting the situation.

i guess why i posted as i did, was cause i could, and it would be a true statement and it wouldnt be hyperbole. and that hit me this morning.

[heaven05]

48. question

did you use that quote before somewhere in the past on this board. I mean I can start researching for myself? Just sounds so familiar from this board and it's discussions in the past on racists and their murders of unarmed people of color.

[joeglow3]

52. I don't think I have said it here. Just a saying about the judicial system.

[Comrade Grumpy]

39. I didn't make that claim. But your request is something of a red herring.

Do police get arrested for sex offenses more often than carpenters or teachers or college professors? I don't know.

But police are a special case. They are armed agents of the state, with the power of life and death. They are supposed to uphold the law, not act like criminals. And not think they can get away with their crimes because of their uniforms.

Some drunk guy punches me in the face, that's one thing. A cop punches me in the face is the power of the state abusing me.

[joeglow3]

41. Human beings are human beings.....PERIOD

There will always be dicks, assholes and pieces of shit. One would expect them to be somewhat equally distributed across all demographics and, for the most part, that is what we see. I agree it is worse when it is perpetuated by someone society has placed trust in: teachers, police, clergy, etc., but, from a pure science standpoint, should not be a surprise to anyone.

[heaven05]

47. You're right

racist human beings are racist human beings. Period And there are a whole bunch of state sanctioned racists out there hiding behind a badge and that has nothing to do with your deflective words of "pure science". The nation is systemically, I almost venture terminally ill with institutionalized racism. If you mean the pure science of racism, okay. The pure science of a lethal projectile entering a body of unarmed and nonthreatening individuals many times, yeah there is a science of hate and bigotry there. Otherwise no relevance.

[seabeyond]

31. Thank you for data. I too am seeing more and more and all we do not see. Nt

[heaven05]

44. no it's not all

but enough to merit intense scrutiny at the national level. Hopefully that type of investigation of the cop perps will bear fruit.

[heaven05]

50. righteous post

thanks.

[seabeyond]

51. ya.

it is all that nurse. she is just yeling at us, ... stand your fuckin ground.

we simply cannot afford to lose any more ground.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

54. "Not all" = "A tiny fraction of one percent" in this case.

So, yes, that is indeed not all...

[seabeyond]

55. but, the potential murder/rapist has power, no? when a black man, or a woman comes up

against a cop, we can say not all... yet, becoming a norm enough for the thought of what if.

when it comes to a gun pointed at you? that what if is pretty damn desperate. and as the desperate sit with the what if, lookin down the barrel, pondering, ... how can i get this this moment/follow instructions, without getting killed,

there is a problem.

no?