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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDr. Craig Spencer did not "lie" to NY Health officials: NY Health - "Dr. Spencer is a Hero....."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102132467#.Can the terrified bed wetting children please leave the room and go join their science denying buddies in the Teabagger Room next door and let the adult scientists do the talking?
"Asked about the report, Health Department spokeswoman Veronica Lewin said: "Dr. Spencer cooperated fully with the Health Department to establish a timeline of his movements in the days following his return to New York from Guinea, providing his MetroCard, credit cards and cellphone."
"He followed protocol by contacting his employer immediately upon developing fever and remained in his apartment until being transported to the hospital, which is why the chance anyone else contracted Ebola is extremely small. Dr. Spencer is a hero who deserves our thanks and thoughts for a speedy recovery," Lewin said in an email statement to CNBC."
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840high
(17,196 posts)
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Science has been pulling back the curtains on fear and superstition for eons, lot of work yet to do.
You keep the curtains closed, if you like, the darkness is comforting, I get it.
840high
(17,196 posts)it. I'm a nurse and quite aware of disease.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)walking distance of Emory and CDC. Beginning to like you - and your sense of humor.
Warpy
(111,237 posts)Demonizing doctors and nurses who spend their vacations on the front lines in hellholes around the world is getting very, very old.
If people are that terrified, they need to go buy a mask and start wearing it.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)I would say it's getting sickening. These people risk their lives and what do some have to offer for thanks, griping hysterical ignorance and dumbassery. And just plain old meanness.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Do not let the science hayseeds and political panderers get you down, their beliefs are irrelevant.
BubbaFett
(361 posts)They are people with jobs and training.
They might be exceptional in some cases.
But calling everything and everyone a hero really dilutes the meaning of that word.
jen63
(813 posts)volunteering to fight ebola where it lives certainly are heroes.
BubbaFett
(361 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)BubbaFett
(361 posts)Because they aren't "sexy" in terms of PR content.
deurbano
(2,894 posts)I hadn't heard that.
Cha
(297,101 posts)
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Who are these un-sexy heroes?
BubbaFett
(361 posts)are very heroic.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Many are heroic, indeed. Who else?
BubbaFett
(361 posts)that's just one example.
What's your angle?
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)You disagree that Doctors and Nurses that go into a hot zone to help people are heros. We asked what your idea who heros are and all you could come up with are single mothers. Which by your definition of people doing things that they have experience and training, means that you must limit that to single mothers with only one child....
Come on, you weren't afraid to offer your opinion of who isn't a hero, come on out from under that bridge and tell us who heros are.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)are all wealthy, right?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You're not being asked to. 
BubbaFett
(361 posts)I don't have any problem giving my opinion unsolicited.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)giving examples. Much easier just to say, "Not buying it." versus specific examples of what you are buying. Luke Skywalker? Darth Vader? Come on, just one example of you're hero.
840high
(17,196 posts)example - the young lady who just won Nobel. She's a hero.
BubbaFett
(361 posts)Somebody carrying out duties consistent with their training, not so much.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)half a world away against a deadly disease, protecting YOU from getting it...IS a hero...you science deniers are the anti-heroes.
BubbaFett
(361 posts)And why would you assume I deny science?
What specifically did I say that made you draw that conclusion?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)BubbaFett
(361 posts)that made you draw the conclusion that I "hate" anything?
Please be specific.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)these medical professionals aren't rich plastic surgeons in Beverly Hills whose biggest risk is worrying about which next new expensive car to buy.
What dilutes the 'hero' word is when it is applied to idiotic sports (edit to add) and John McCain.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)risking their lives while working in horrific conditions to save the lives of a desperate people fit my definition of hero.
I don't think calling them heros dilutes its meaning in any way.
840high
(17,196 posts)in my family are not heroes or Gods.
neither the Dr. or the nurses.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)At risk to their own health? To protect the health of Africa and the world? For the pay? For the glory of being treated like a leper on return to the land of the free and brave?
No? Then.......
840high
(17,196 posts)patients in Baltimore. Another one went into research - none wanted to get rich.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)All scientists of renown are heroes to me. Science is my religion, it never lets me down.
In the end it is always the scientists that save us from evil.
Charity work and research can be sacrifices, but there can be other motives, true sacrifice is dropping out of a safe world and landing on another dangerous, alien world purely out of compassion.
840high
(17,196 posts)life - till he passed.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)That is what a hero is.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)you are not an expert, you can choose not to believe the experts know more than you.
I believe the experts, I am not a scientist....nor are the teabaggers you have thrown your lot in with.
But you go with the anti-science. What next, you going to say you are with the teabaggers on climate denial also?
Incredible. Please stay under your bed, the adults are in charge.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)this thread slowly drift down.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)not take too long.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)branford
(4,462 posts)I can assure you that her statements were reviewed, if not actually drafted, by an attorney.
She carefully avoids answering the actual point of the NY Post article, that Dr. Spencer did not originally provide accurate information concerning his travels and contacts.
Stating that he "fully cooperated" or is a "hero" is totally non-responsive. When pressed, she simply referred to her earlier statements. The spokeswoman should be employed by the White House or Statement Department given her level of tactful avoidance.
It would be simple enough to state that Dr. Spencer was truthful and forthcoming originally and at all times. I had my doubts of the NYP article, but after the spokeswomen's refusal to provide a direct answer to a such simple question, the article's credibility and veracity seem all the more certain.
If I were to hazard a guess, I assume that Dr. Spencer was originally frightened and embarrassed, as anyone might be when potentially diagnosed with Ebola, regardless of whether they're a doctor or health professional, and foolishly became defensive. However, the authorities do not want to admit such a simple, explainable and probably forgivable human failing under the circumstances because to do so might substantiate the distrust much of the public feels toward returning aid workers and discourage some from traveling to Africa.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Dr. Spencer is a hero and you go with teabagger NY Posts anonymous sources, not the medical officials, fine, no point in separating you from you closing held fears and lies that reinforce them.
Get back to me next week when the science triumphs yet again, you go ahead and support the teabagging ebola governors, maybe you will vote for them "keeping you safe".
Where are your expressions of sympathy and speedy recovery...you do want him to recover, right, then there would be ZERO cases of ebola in America....
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Dear god, I hope it doesn't learn how to digitize.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)She hasn't directly answered the question.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)It's also clear that they weren't answering the question -- which is why the reporter asked it again.
And I agree with you that this was an understandable and all too human mistake of Dr. Spencer's, and shouldn't diminish the sacrifice he made to help Ebola sufferers in Africa.
branford
(4,462 posts)In order to counter criticisms by many of the returning health workers, including Dr. Spencer, they feel a need to overcompensate by making him a veritable saint. It's understandable and all too common, but still short-sighted and unrealistic. Even heroes make stupid mistakes.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts) KMOD
(7,906 posts)He didn't, that's the answer. He followed protocol to a t, and he is now getting the treatment he needs.
I hope for a speedy and full recovery for him.
branford
(4,462 posts)First, as a technical point, if he did everything perfectly, he should never have been infected.
Second, there are some doubts whether he in fact properly followed all protocols. If he was sufficiently symptomatic at the time, he should not have ridden the subway, eaten in a restaurant and gone bowling. No one need take him at his word that he was only "fatigued" or tired, and not otherwise symptomatic.
Third, the very evasive non-responses by the relevant authorities to the NY Post allegations gives a great deal of credence to the Post's claims that Dr. Spencer was not forthcoming with travel and contact information until challenged with documentary evidence. Such behavior, while potentially explainable due to understandable fear and embarrassment, rather than malice, is still both unacceptable and unprofessional, particularly given his expertise and the obvious risks. It also created doubts about his other claims concerning his lack of symptoms while out publicly.
Despite the forgoing, his work in Africa was noble and worthwhile, and I, too, hope he makes an alacritous and full recovery.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I personally would have no problem bowling with him, hugging him, having him sneeze on me 
, going out to eat with him.
Again, he followed the protocols to a t. His fiancé should be monitoring herself, but even she is a minimal risk. But no one in the bowling alley, restaurant, subway, etc., was ever at risk. He was asymptomatic at that point. "Fatigue" is not contagious. He wasn't sick until the next morning. And even then, his viral load was low.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and anyone who says he has denied lying at first is simply not telling the truth. That was a very carefully worded statement that in no way denies he lied at first. Nothing but lawyer-speak.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)"Hey, doc, Fox News is accusing you, yes. YOU are being accused by Fox of lying". And folks on "liberal" sites are eating up the lies.....hilarious.
Fucking hilarious it would be if it were not so sad.
See that a judge in Maine agrees with me...is the judge lying?
Laurian
(2,593 posts)fear dominate their lives are getting on my very last nerve. For them to then denigrate those who do important work trying to solve the problem just adds to the absurdity.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)not know what they do.
Science will protect them also, it does not discriminate between the ignorant and the enlightened.
840high
(17,196 posts)not whining.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Has he recovered? Has anyone who used a bowling ball after he had his sweaty fingers in them, contacted health officials because they contracted the disease from him?
You know, my first 3 questions are the serious ones. The last question, I was being facetious.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I think you need to re-read my post. I am most certainly not one of the people who run around here daily with their hair on fire screaming for isolation.
As I said. My last question I was being facetious.
fa·ce·tious
fəˈsēSHəs/
adjective
adjective: facetious
treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
synonyms: flippant, flip, glib, frivolous, tongue-in-cheek, ironic, sardonic, joking, jokey, jocular, playful, sportive, teasing, mischievous; More
witty, amusing, funny, droll, comic, comical, lighthearted, jocose
"unfortunately, they took my facetious remarks seriously"
antonyms: serious
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)I can not find a story on Dr. Spencers current health status....maybe he wants to keep it private, it is his God given and American given right.
The timeline can be easily found.....no one, including his girlfriend he had not seen in months, is infected.
BubbaFett
(361 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)satisfied?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)so much so that I've had a post or two of mine hidden. These nutbaggers feeling comfortable enough to come here an post their crazyness, just goes to show how far right Democrats are moving in my opinion.
jen63
(813 posts)yesterday and today, I believe. I'll try to find the link to where I saw this. Hope he gets well, we need him and HE"S A HERO!!!
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I understand he's being treated in a NY hospital, not one of the others that have successfully treated those afflicted. No?
jen63
(813 posts)actual details about his care in the story. Just that his status is serious. Poor guy and poor people he was treating.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)jen63
(813 posts)Check my posts, I'm on your side. The fear mongering is driving me nuts.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)The reasons people participate in ritual panic is the same as the reasons people take part in religious ritual, it is a rejection of reason and a way to excuse any behavior the frightened person wishes to indulge in.
Fear is like a talisman, a prayer if well repeated causes feelings of safety. It really is not that hard to understand. I pity them like I pity the religiously unkind and the devoutly bigoted. They are scared half to death, poor tiny minded things that they are.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)It is anti-democratic, and, yes, exactly like the faith based beliefs that reject science in favor of emotional beliefs sincerely held with no basis in reality.
Fuck the fear mongers and their politicians.
Bless the President and the scientists that see it that way.
The President never uses fear to gin up a vote.
deurbano
(2,894 posts)<<In New York, about 200 doctors, epidemiologists and other staff work together to piece together an outbreak through painstaking and detailed interviews with someone who was exposed and a retracing of whom they touched and where they walked. Depending on the suspected incubation period, they track back weeks. They triangulate to determine where the disease has spread, test to figure out the illness and come up with specialized solutions to stop it from spreading further.
In the case of Spencer, a 32-year-old Doctors Without Borders physician who had returned from the Ebola-plagued Guinea less than a week before, they had a wealth of information — and that was highly unusual, said Dr. Jay Varma, the city's deputy commissioner for disease control.
He said Spencer's precise statements and the other clues painted a picture of his whereabouts in mere hours: He took three subway lines and a cab, went jogging, walked the High Line parkway. He visited a coffee stand, a sandwich shop and a bowling alley. Plus, they knew the suspected illness, the incubation period of 21 days and the fact that a patient isn't contagious unless they are symptomatic. Spencer's fiancee and two friends who had close contact with him remain under quarantine. But no one else has developed symptoms.
"He was incredibly helpful, and he understood the situation," Varma said. "His honesty and his willingness to participate and give us every detail was really amazing."
Usually it takes longer — because it's a greater mystery.>>
branford
(4,462 posts)Stating that Dr. Spencer was helpful or that the authorities had a wealth of information in no way addresses the claim that, at least at first, Dr. Spencer was not entirely honest or forthcoming about his contacts and whereabouts in the days prior to his admission to the hospital.
I'm also not surprised that the authorities had the relevant information since they apparently possessed his MetroCard and credit card statements, which according to the NYP, is what the police used to challenge Dr. Spencer for accurate information.
I do not understand why it is so difficult for the powers that be to answer such a simple and direct question: did Dr. Spencer originally provide entirely truthful information about his whereabouts and contacts to the authorities. It is a yes or no question. The allegation from the NYP has nothing to do with whether Dr. Spencer was ultimately helpful, if he's a "hero," or if the authorities' investigation revealed significant information. As an attorney, I know that when a witness carefully avoids answering a clear, direct and simple question, the answer is usually obvious and disadvantageous for the witness.
I find the need for many here to make Dr. Spencer a unvarnished saint to be somewhat ludicrous. Humans are complicated. One can admire Dr. Spencer's work in Africa and regret that he is ill, yet still question whether he should have gone out while feeling fatigued, and even acknowledge that, for whatever reasons, he might not have initially been forthcoming with the authorities.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Get off my thread.
Please.
branford
(4,462 posts)DU is not a cheering section for your opinions, even if you are the OP. You posted a thread in a discussion forum, do not be surprised that people are actually discussing it, including disagreeing with you. Moreover, accusations of "spreading Fox News bullshit," is not a convincing argument in support of your positions, and amounts to little more than a puerile personal insult.
Contrary to what you may believe or demand, many loyal Democrats do not share your perspective on some or all of the issues concerning the Ebola crisis, the state quarantines or the veracity and behavior of all returning aid workers. In fact, recent polls suggest that about 80% of the American public, including very large majorities of both Democrats and Republicans, appear to strongly disagree with you about many Ebola-related issues. There's a reason why liberal Democratic governors in deep blue states such as NY, CA, CT, IL and others issued state quarantine and related orders similar to Governor Christie in NJ.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)branford
(4,462 posts)Ironically, we are not in as much disagreement as you may believe.
Let's be clear, I do not currently support the state quarantines because they do not appear to reflect the scientific consensus that asymptomatic individuals do not pose a threat to the public health. Regardless of my opinions, however, people are well and truly frightened.
Nevertheless, that does not mean I agree with everything proposed by individuals opposed to the quarantines or support everything by President Obama.
For instance, just because I think the state quarantines are foolish and unnecessary, I can still readily acknowledge that they may very well be perfectly legal. As an attorney, I am painfully aware that many very stupid and unjustified actions by the federal and state governments concerning a variety of issues, both conservative and liberal, have been upheld by courts who routinely defer to authorities on sensitive matters such as public health. Believing that courts will likely uphold the state quarantines if challenged does not mean I support the quarantines.
I'm also highly critical of the quarantine of the troops returning from Africa. If they are asymptomatic, they should not be quarantined. In fact, since we have been told that they were not directly exposed to Ebola patients, they should be less of a risk to the public than the returning civilian aid workers. They fact that the soldiers and marines were in Africa involuntarily, are used to following orders or hardships, or that they can easily and legally be restricted by the president, does not change the basic medical science. Obama's easy willingness to quarantine the troops, while criticizing the quarantines of the civilian workers, is nothing less than hypocrisy.
The fact that the state quarantines are unnecessary does not make all returning aid workers saints. I respect that they sacrificed to help those less fortunate, and their actions are important to stop the spread of Ebola. Such work is noble. Nevertheless, these medical professionals are human and fallible, and no one is above criticism when it is warranted. To refuse to deify these workers is not a denigration of their work.
By way of example, Dr. Spencer may initially have been less than truthful to the authorities about his travels and contacts. The creatively non-responsive answers by Health Department officials give significant credence to the NY Post's claims. I can think a number of reasons why Dr. Spencer would not originally have been entirely forthcoming, both good and selfish. This potentially bad conduct does not detract from his good work in Africa. They are entirely separate issues. If you've read any Greek tragedies, you know that heroes are often tragic and sadly fallible.
Similarly, Ms. Hickox's less than diplomatic demeanor and outright defiance is unnecessarily confrontational and does nothing to improve the poor image and lack of trust directed at other returning aid workers who have no problem respecting that people are frightened and confused, whether or not based on science.
Lastly, it is an undeniable fact that the vast majority of Americans of all political persuasions support strong measures like the state quarantines and travel bans, and the returning aid workers are becoming increasing and despairingly unpopular and unwelcome. Disparaging and insulting good people, including those from our own party, who may be frightened will not convince them otherwise, and will only make them angry and defensive.
With just days to go before an election where Democrats are not favored, the Ebola crisis is not helping our party, and discretion should be the better part of valor when making public pronouncements about the intelligence and emotional health of our fellow citizens who have opinions about the Ebola matters with which many here do not agree.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Our factual foundation is not the same so we will never agree on the right conclusion.
You should know better as an attorney not to jump to factual conclusions based on hearsay, it is not even admissible evidence.
Also you forget returning health care experts and professionals, highly trained and experienced in their specialized medical science, would not risk, even for a nanosecond, their family and loved ones...they above all know the risks, know the non-risks, know in excruciating detail all the things we do not know in their specialized field.
Dr. Spencer applied the CDC gold standard for his type of work on entry into any non ebola infected nation, self monitoring and immediate reporting of symptoms....no one in his family, friends, even his long not seen girlfriend, are or will be infected.
Because self monitoring works, it has been scientifically proven to work and suspending civil liberties in the face of the science, pandering teabag and cowardly, politicians expert only in deceit, do the decision making, is unacceptable.
Counter that.
branford
(4,462 posts)I oppose the state quarantines, and have no objection to proper self-monitoring (including of the returning military members).
However, returning health professionals are just as fallible as anyone else. People make mistakes, or sometimes even are in denial that they may have a life-threatening illness such as Ebola or their hesitation may have placed people they love at risk. No one is ever above criticism. Just because Dr. Spencer's work in Africa was noble and he faces a serious illness, does not mean reasonable people cannot question matters like why he was out and about while feeling fatigued during the 21 day incubation period, or even any statements made to the authorities. These questions do not diminish his good work, and any less the positive answers, simply make him human.
In fact, I had my doubts about the NY Post story right up until the Health Authorities began to comment. To most anyone, their answers were certainly admiring of Dr. Spencer, but still entirely non-responsive and evasive. It appeared more like a diplomatic statement from a State Department spokesperson, rather than responses to a simple and direct question. I will not ignore uncomfortable facts simply because many view Dr. Spencer as a hero or that it may support the lack of trust given to other returning aid workers.
Dr. Spencer is just as human and imperfect as the rest of us. Heck, if he followed all the Ebola protocols so perfectly, he just might not be fighting for his life in the hospital today. I wish him a quick and complete recovery. If he survives, however, he will need to properly respond to the allegations against him.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)was not "fatigued". Doctor Spencer reported he was "tired". Dr. Spencer knows there is a medical difference between fatigue and tired, they have specific and technical medical meanings and if he were fatigued he would have already been tired first, Doctor and Master of Public Health Spencer reported immediately as per the protocol of the Centre for Disease Control, which has even more and more doctors.
The end.
deurbano
(2,894 posts)Especially when the person whose actions are being questioned is currently unable to defend himself, as he fights off the infection he contracted while putting his own health at risk in order to help combat a public health disaster.
(I don't believe in saints.)
branford
(4,462 posts)besides Dr. Spencer, particularly the police and Health Department. It's not a matter of Dr. Spencer defending himself. It's relevant information, particularly considering the current public discussion about the responsibility and credibility of aid workers returning from west Africa.
At first, I, too, had serious doubts about the Post's claims, and normally give the benefit of the doubt to the accused when the sources are anonymous. I would have thought that if untrue, the hospital or police would quickly put an end to such ignoble rumors. I was very surprised and disappointed, however, by all the evasive and non-responsive answers when questioned about the claims.
If Dr. Spencer was initially honest and forthcoming with the authorities, they need simply say so. They could have also chosen not to comment. Multiple parties did respond, but no one actually answered the Post's claims. It was also obvious that the lack of a direct response was intentional, and likely tactical. All the talk about how he's a hero, he cooperated, the authorities had lots of information, etc., was interesting, but totally irrelevant to the actual allegations. I've heard less creative tactful avoidance from the State Department spokespeople commenting on tense diplomatic matters.
I hope Dr. Spencer quickly and completely recovers, and look forward to his personal response to the Post's allegations. Sadly, I now expect a curt "no comment." If the allegations are true, more than ample documentary evidence and witnesses exist, and any attempt to deny the truth or obfuscate will be quickly countered.
deurbano
(2,894 posts)A detailed timeline of his activities was made available to the public on the very day he entered the hospital. At the press conference at Bellevue that night, the mayor said the “medical detectives” (who are members of the Health Dept., not the NYPD) had been at work tracing the doctor’s contacts, and that he “cooperated fully” in “communicating his previous movements” and contacts, and had been “very very informative” to the medical detectives. (Not really sure how the NYPD comes into this, since they are never mentioned.) Since the investigation doesn't seem to have been hampered in any way, I think we can afford to wait for his version of events, if anyone still cares by then.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)The process and procedure for handling this deadly disease, has been changing and evolving.
It infuriates me that people like the nurse that took round trip flights and potentially exposed all the persons in the airports, flights and even family...and then this arrogant "expert" that has no regard for any other American but herself. It's so Bagger of her to flip all the rest of us off because it's all about her.
It's beyond bizarre to me how people are lining up (oh but no where near her) to bang the drum for her.
The camera man for NBC that got sick...he had absolutely no idea how he contracted the disease and said that they thought they were behaving with the utmost caution...it didn't work. All it takes is a few cells contaminated with the virus to start the infection. I would not just "take her word" that she was not infected.
Arrogant...attitude...not one ounce of humility or humbleness...or concern for others because it's all about her.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Arrogance? Look in the mirror.
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)Too bad you didn't see the press chasing her on her bike ride - they were close enough to get run over. They weren't scared.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Because we all know the one who gets genuinely infuriated first and sticks to it, wins.
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)We are now the land of the scared and the home of visqueen and duct tape.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)And you accuse her of arrogance?
Really?
The woman is not sick. Therefore not contagious.
Therefore there is no cause to impinge on her rights because of your and others fear.
She is not violating any of your rights or...freedoms.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)
jeff47
(26,549 posts)We shouldn't imprison people based on your fear of what might happen.
Nope. Because those cells aren't going to be able to enter your body.
What you need is a certain number of virus particles. One flu virus isn't going to give you the flu. Nor is one ebola virus going to give you ebola. We don't know how many ebola particles it takes, since it's not exactly ethical to experiment on humans by infecting them with ebola.
No one is. That's why her temperature is being taken every day and reported to authorities. With ebola, fever starts before diarrhea and vomiting. Which means the fever starts before she could actually pass on the disease.
But that doesn't boost ratings, so it's time to scream about danger. And some people buy it.
Yep, the media is full of such people.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)To quarantine yourself. It's a dangerous world out there. Don't forget your daily dose of fear.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)The fear mongering ebola freak out is getting old.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)no fear.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Response to uppityperson (Reply #72)
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malokvale77
(4,879 posts)The shit happening on DU is appalling.
I had some money set aside for DU, but I have decided that money will be better spent locally on an individual basis. I can not contribute to the crap being spewed on DU.
Again, Thank you for your persistent posts.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)The original report alleging that Spencer "lied" appeared in, of all publications, the New York Post, founded by Alexander Hamilton but in modern times owned by Rupert Murdoch. Even before Murdoch bought it, it was a paper known for its sensationalist headlines. Under Murdoch, it has been turned into New York's own Fleet Street-style tabloid. ANY item of news reported exclusively by this rag should be met with a hefty dose of skepticism!
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Oh wait...
"Can the terrified bed wetting children please leave the room and go join their science denying buddies in the Teabagger Room next door and let the adult scientists do the talking?"
Ever hear the one about honey and vinegar?
