Let's get one thing straight about Greenwald

[MannyGoldstein]

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Look people, nobody hates Libertarian traitor Glenn Greenwald more than I do.

Nobody!

But as terrible as Greenwald is, at least in 2002, when any reasonable person knew in their gut that war with Iraq was necessary, a trivial-yet-profitable undertaking, Greenwald stood with reasonable Americans: he was for the thing. He's changed his mind since (which in his case is a sign of weakness while the same action is a sign of strength in better people), but for a brief moment in time, Greenwald stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the best and brightest stars of our Democratic Party.

Now let us turn to another terribly terrible traitor, Ralph Nader. A man who, need I remind you, has money in his bank account. Unlike Greenwald, Nader has NEVER been reasonable, not even once.

Never!

In fact, a movie about him is called An Unreasonable Man! A man so cut off from reason that he was always against the Iraq War, even when it was a good idea.

And so we must conclude that while Greenwald is a most worthy contender, it is Nader that has earned the title of absolute most terrible person on Earth.

QED, baby.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

[merrily]

1. Rec'd because I still have left overs from the Greenwald poll thread and there's no sense

just letting it sit on the counter until the butter congeals.

[Luminous Animal]

2. Hahaha!! And really did make me laugh out loud.

[merrily]

5. Glad to hear it. Laughing is very healthy.

[Scootaloo]

3. I came here for my two-minute hate

What's this, Ralph Nader?

BONUS ROUND!

[MannyGoldstein]

6. It's incredible! Nader may be preparing to state - in public -

that Americans have a right to run for public office!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5737922

Has anyone told him that Hitler himself ran for office!

He must be stopped!

[L0oniX]

19. LMFAO

[rhett o rick]

28. Nader has been very useful for the conservatives of our Party.

He made a perfect scapegoat so the conservatives didn't have to take responsibility for losing the presidency. The American people did not want 8 more years of Clinton via Gore, but the Democratic conservatives wouldn't listen. They made a mistake and looked for someone to blame.

Personally, I blame Sandra O'Conner who betrayed our democracy.

[Luminous Animal]

8. !

[jeepers]

4. A hail Manny Pass

You forget socialist, union organizer, four time presidential candidate and convicted felon Eugene Debs. Terrible, terrible fellow he.

[Luminous Animal]

7. It's a pretzel!

Hillary, a Senator and a very important public figure and who had power to change the tide of public opinion on the Iraq invasion, supported that invasion and has never repudiated that support.

Glenn Greenwald, and unknown lawyer at the time, with absolutely zero influential power, supported (with misgivings) the invasion. As did 70% of the U.S. population. Greenwald soundly repudiates his past support by writing an entire book about it.

Yay Hillary.

[rhett o rick]

30. It just keeps coming. Billy-Bob Clinton dismantled the New Deal safeguard against

the banks gambling with our money. In 2000 the Republicans stole the election and flipped off the Democrats in the process. The Democrats shrugged and collected their paychecks, happy they saved their parking spots. In 2002 Georgie Bush lied thru his teeth and still got the Democrats to kiss his behind and share responsibility for the deaths of many thousands of lives plus twist the knife in the back of our democracy.
In 2004, for the second time in a row, the Republicans stole the presidential election and once again the Democrats shrugged and turned away, I guess thinking it's all in the game.
In 2008 the American people got their hopes up for promised change. But the wealthy continue to grow wealthier while Democrats promote fracking, Free Trade, domestic spying and continuation of the 100 years Middle East War.
Now we are looking at the probability of another Clinton, another friend of Wall Street to rule in 2016.
America can't get a break.

[Maedhros]

52. You know, when you look at the long-term pattern of behavior by the Democrats,

you really have to wonder - just whose side are they on?

[rhett o rick]

54. I think the answer is quite simple. Most politicians work for the 0.1%.

They argue and fight among themselves but it's Kabuki Theater. A lot of Americans don't bother to vote because they don't believe it's effective. A recent Princeton study came to the same conclusion.

I still encourage everyone to vote, but we need to look for other avenues.

[840high]

55. We have a winner.

[KingCharlemagne]

9. Brilliant satire. Sincere hat tip! - nt

[dsc]

10. Here is my problem with Nader in a nutshell

In 2000, when running for President he was asked about Dale vs Boy Scouts of America which was a decision which let groups that get government money and benefits discriminate against gays. It was a quite famous case at the time and any person who cared a whit about gay rights knew what it was. Nader, he hadn't heard of it, had not one flipping clue. It was his approach to civil rights issues in a nutshell. They didn't matter to him, he knew nothing about them, and it showed. He literally didn't care what would happen to gays, women, or racial minorities under a Bush Presidency. In point of fact, he figured those issues added up to no difference.

[Maedhros]

12. Nader's position has always been that if we fix our democracy,

then other issues will be solved as a natural result. Thus, he has focused on the broader agenda rather than individual issues. I don't think there is enough evidence to back up a claim that he knew "nothing" about those issues, or "literally didn't care" about them.

[dsc]

14. Not knowing about a case called Dale vs Boy Scouts of America

when there were several trees killed producing newspapers reporting on a person suing the boy scouts for discrimination is evidence of a total lack of knowledge and caring about those issues.

[Maedhros]

15. I would imagine the number of people on DU familiar with Dale vs. BSA

would be a minority.

[JI7]

21. that just shows a total ignorance of how things are for much of the population

right up there with wingnuts who dismiss racism and sexism and claim it's about hard work.

[JI7]

20. he dismissed concerns over roe v wade also by saying it just means it will

be up to states .

[Major Hogwash]

11. You forgot about Putin. In a worldclass contest for biggest asshole, Nader doesn't even qualify!

Putin is the leader of his country, for chrissakes.
He's much more powerful than Nader.
Plus, he has Snowden living in his mother country now, so he has an ace in the hole, so to speak.

[MannyGoldstein]

16. You kidding? Nader single-handedly made G.W. Bush President!

While nobody can deny that the future-Presidential-Freedom-Medal-Winner G.W. Bush is a patriot... um... well, let's just leave it at that.

[Major Hogwash]

23. Nope . . . he gots no nukes.

Even though North Korean President Jong-un has nukes, he doesn't have his finger on the button like Putin does.
But, Jong-un makes the Top 10 list by threatening to put his finger on the button, just the same!

[MannyGoldstein]

24. Nuke, shmukes.

Nader is unsafe at any speed.

[truedelphi]

33. Boy oh boy, did he ever.

First Nader got close to half of those who could have voted in that election to stay at home on Election Day.

(Some people believe that many of those would be voters were caught trapped inside their seat belts, which had some Nader-installed back door computer codes, and wouldn't release the occupants until the day AFTER that election. And here all this time, the gullible among you thought Nader wanted seat belts for our safety!)

Then he fixed the vote counts so that Gore did not win, not even in his home state of Tennessee!

He also helped the Republicans who designed the ballots inside the state of Florida to make that ballot so confusing that voters there voted for Honey Boo Boo, when they simply wanted to vote for Pat Buchanan.

And you have no idea of what he has in store for us next Tuesday; I can't tell anyone until Nov 5th!
(or he will hurt my cats!)

[zeemike]

29. Manny sure kicked off a good two minute hate for us.

And now we take it global
But don't forget about Kim Jong Ung or what ever his name is in North Korea...and we have not heard much about Assad lately.

So many to hate, so little time.

[Major Hogwash]

31. Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead . . .

. . . but, he's feeling better each day!

[Fumesucker]

13. Manny G, Brain by Escher..

[MannyGoldstein]

17. Great album... but I can't get this tune out of my head

[Thinkingabout]

18. Sometimes Manny gets it right, this is one of those times.

[marble falls]

25. Manny bats in at over .800. He's an all-star shoo in in my book. Keep 'em coming. Manny!

[OnyxCollie]

22. .

[sabrina 1]

26. And another thing. Greenwald TOLD us in his book that he was for the Iraq War, like all those

Democrats who voted to let Bush start it. At least some of THEM didn't change their minds, they were consistent and still are, in their support, unlike Greenwald who changed his mind just because he found out about a few the lies Bush/Cheney told. That is no reason to stop supporting them, just because they lied. It didn't stop Democrats who kept on voting to fund it, did it?

[KauaiK]

27. I will never EVER forgive Nader for pulling votes from Gore in 2000.

Nader believes his own PR.

[rhett o rick]

47. Blaming Nader is totally misplaced. There were illegal actions that happened during

that election. George Bush's brother manipulated the vote count and the SCOTUS overstepped their authority thus violated the Constitution, and yet people want to blame Nader. Nader, who did nothing illegal and was acting within his civic duty trying to provide the American voters an alternative to the Conservatives running for the major parties. Many Americans were fed up with the New DEmocratic Clinton administration and didn't want to continue it via Gore. And remember Gore didn't need Nader's votes to beat Bush legally. Also there is no guarantee that had Nader not run, those that voted for him would have voted for Gore instead of staying home or voting for Bush. There is no guarantee that had they voted for Gore that the election wouldn't have been stolen.

The Conservative DEmocrats want to use Nader as a scapegoat to distract from their own failings.

[Maedhros]

53. Yes, we understand. You will never, ever forgive Nader for exercising his rights,

established under the Constitution, to run for the Presidency. How petty.

If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at ME and the rest of us who voted for Nader. I will still call you petty, because the basis for your anger is chimeric. The Democrats don't own our votes, just because we're liberals. The Democrats have to earn our votes, and if they decide to move to the center right they should not expect liberals to abandon our philosophy and follow along.

If Democrats want my vote, then they need to give me something. For example, Jeff Merkeley in Oregon has traditionally tacked left with his actions - so much so that the Oregonian withheld its endorsement because he was "too liberal" and not "bipartisan" enough. Thus, Merkeley earned my vote, because by his actions he has shown me that he is willing to get the job done for liberals.

[daleanime]

32. Manny, I'm terribly confused.....

could you explain it to me again?

[11 Bravo]

45. Trust me. Seven or eight various iterations of this theme are already in the hopper.

[MannyGoldstein]

49. Not even if I wanted to

Seriously.

[woo me with science]

34. ...

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Every time you think the corporate message machine here can't get more utterly pathetic and embarrassing...

[Corruption Inc]

35. Oh but let's have a thread about how worried we are about him in these dark times, LOL

and send him lots of well wishes from our great big hearts that are just so concerned, except when it comes to torture camps, health care for all, perma-war, illegal surveillance, whistle blower protections, prosecuting criminal bankers, etc...

But, but we're just so concerned; LMFAO at the frauds around the "internets".

[bemildred]

36. We need a "Most Terrible Person on Earth" poll.

But I can't figure out how to pare the list down to manageable size.

[LWolf]

37. Finally. Someone who gets it.

[whatchamacallit]

38. Lol!

Thanks for that, TWM.

[snooper2]

39. I don't think Warren is running

[Autumn]

40. Nadputtabwald Manny Nadputtabwald. You, once again hit it out of the park

These people that are for the thing must be stopped.

[marym625]

41. Three-Way-Manny

I admit it, I was once a part of Nader's Raiders. It was a dark time in my personal history. I campaigned, I gave money, I did anything he wanted. At that time, I was even giving to Greenpeace. I even dated an award winning journalist who was on Greenpeace ships, took photographs of the war in Afghanistan and worse yet, pictures for a book for UNICEF showing what happens to kids in war torn countries. Countries WE helped liberate.

But, you have made me see the light. I renounce all my idiocy of years past. I am no longer a Snowaldian. I stand with you!

Three-Way-Mary

[Hatchling]

42. Don't you two need another person?

To make a three way?

[marym625]

43. Yes

But I'll let Manny explain, if he wants to

In the mean time, can I offer you a drink?

[11 Bravo]

46. Check upthread. Lots of volunteers to be the meat in that sandwich.

[MannyGoldstein]

48. Between the two of us, I think we have a foursome?

But I'm open to whatever.

(And if you're volunteering, you'll need to cut those nails first.)

[MannyGoldstein]

50. I'm glad that I've saved you from ruin

I'm sure the kids in those books were proud... mighty proud!... to have had there lives turned to #%^* by the most moral, decent, and swell country on Earth

[marym625]

56. Most definitely!

First, thank you again for saving me. I pray nightly to Jesus Christ in my cheese sandwich, thanking him for sending you to me.

Just look at how happy these kids are that were saved!










All Marty's photographs are copyrighted and the property of the Lueder's family

If you would like to see more of his photos, the attached link gives a short introduction to him by a prize winning journalists and links to Marty's photos

http://www.franksmyth.com/colleagues-corner/martin-lueders/

[nichomachus]

44. I always thought the worst person in the world

was "Jerry F." He's the kid at the grocery store who always puts my bread and eggs on the bottom of the bag.

[randys1]

51. I am lost, what does Ralph Nader have to do with the Republicans maybe taking the Senate

and shutting down the government for maybe months resulting in tremendous harm, maybe death?

?