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Fly by night

(5,265 posts)
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:23 AM Oct 2014

Last week, my vote flipped on a TN DRE. Three media spins later, I respond.

Last week, I told all y'all about my Tug-of -war with my black box over Amendment 1, which would ban abortions here. Since the outstanding TV news spot on WSMV ran, there have been three print media articles, all of which misrepresented or minimized the story and none of which included interviews with the voters whose votes flipped. After a particularly inept piece ran in the Nashville Tennessean, this was my response.
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To the editor:

In a recent article on early voting, several paragraphs were devoted to the report of two Maury county voters and one Davidson county voter having their votes flipped on Amendment 1 by the ES&S Ivotronic voting machines. You included comments from four election officials, all of whom misrepresented and minimized these reports. You did not, however, interview the voters.

I am one of those voters. What happened to me was simple enough. When I voted in Maury county, I initially checked "no" on both Amendments 1 and 2, which were on the same page of my ballot. Before leaving that page, I double-checked my votes. They were both bright red "no"s.

When I completed my other selections, I clicked the "Review" button to look (ostensibly) at my choices. All choices were correctly indicated EXCEPT my vote on Amendment 1. The machine had changed my vote to "yes".

I immediately followed the instructions to change my Amendment 1 vote back to "no". The second time through the review process, my choice was correct and so I cast my ballot, though with even more uncertainty than usual as to whether my votes were counted, and counted correctly.

It is true, as the election officials stated, that, in the end, my vote appeared as I wanted it to. They say that's all that matters. I say that the "no to yes to no" tug-of-war on Amendment 1 between me and my voting machine also matters, and it matters a lot. After all, if I had simply chosen to cast my vote without reviewing it, my ballot would not have reflected my intended vote. Simple as that.

To know why this voting machine "glitch" has occurred in at least two counties on the same machines, it is imperative that the software be examined to explain how these vote switches occurred. The voting machines themselves should have been set aside until they could be examined (by someone other than the person who programmed them) to explain the vote flip. Unfortunately, no one (including election officials) is allowed to examine the voting machine software in Tennessee and no one bothered to do a thorough forensic check of the machines.

We are left instead with more defense of the indefensible (unverifiable voting machines) by our election officials. The voters? They are ignored or blamed.

As long as we vote on unverifiable voting equipment owned and programmed by corporations without meaningful oversight, our fears are warranted. And as for me and two other voters (at least), our fears have been realized. Right in front of us in the voting booth.

As one friend (with 30+ years in the NSA level cyberworld) said about my experience: "No way that was an accident, Bernie. A zero is not a one."

I can't prove he's right, and Tennessee election officials can't prove he's wrong. That bothers me mightily. Them, apparently, not so much.

I want our elections to be run accident-free. (Paper ballots counted by high school honor society members would work for me). Our current Tennessee state and local election officials want to keep us trusting voting machines that are so error-prone and fraud-friendly that they are now banned in 34 other states.

What possible reason could there be, other than the obvious one, for that?

How did your voting machine vote on Amendment 1? Can you be sure?

Fly by night
Old Natchez Trace Road
Fly , TN


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Last week, my vote flipped on a TN DRE. Three media spins later, I respond. (Original Post) Fly by night Oct 2014 OP
Superb letter, but you might want to remove the personal info at the bottom...? MADem Oct 2014 #1
Thanks I will. Fly by night Oct 2014 #3
I trust that the "obvious" reason you refer to in the last paragraph isn't vote rigging... brooklynite Oct 2014 #2
they're arrogant enough to not care, especially if the state government is run by the repukes hobbit709 Oct 2014 #6
...and no Ohio candidate, elected official or Party leader alleged election fraud... brooklynite Oct 2014 #8
One of the reasons I haven't been back to OH since 1973. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #9
Harding is regarded by many historians as the worst president in history. bulloney Oct 2014 #25
And the company behind it was located in Tennessee! The Bush/Rove first White House IT guy Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #15
Sometimes arrogant and reckless trumps intelligence Fly by night Oct 2014 #7
Not to put on the ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #12
I work on computers and I don't trust the machines. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #4
right rickford66 Oct 2014 #22
I suspect that it’s already “handled like casinos are monitored” ... Buenaventura Oct 2014 #24
I think I will do the paper ballot this year.... riversedge Oct 2014 #5
Was your letter published or "disappeared?" Just curious. Vinca Oct 2014 #10
Happened to me in Florida... Sancho Oct 2014 #11
Think the universe ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #13
K & R ctsnowman Oct 2014 #14
Very well put davidpdx Oct 2014 #16
I tweeted this thread to Rachel Maddow JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #17
Well said, my man. blackspade Oct 2014 #18
Yeah, it's great to have free 24/7 wi-fi at ... Fly by night Oct 2014 #20
Sweet. blackspade Oct 2014 #21
Get a lawyer and contact the DoJ Botany Oct 2014 #19
This is what happens when you rely on the purity of corporate profit to design our Democracy nt whereisjustice Oct 2014 #23
I experienced something fishy as well ecstatic Oct 2014 #26
My recommendation -- Fly by night Oct 2014 #27
Great letter! City Lights Oct 2014 #28

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. Superb letter, but you might want to remove the personal info at the bottom...?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:28 AM
Oct 2014

There are jerks out there who are not above doxxing people for their political views or affiliations.

Terrible that we have to think like that, but that's how the world is, these days.

brooklynite

(94,331 posts)
2. I trust that the "obvious" reason you refer to in the last paragraph isn't vote rigging...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:30 AM
Oct 2014

...because anyone clever enough to be able to reprogram enough voting machines to shift a Statewide election result would be smart enough to program the machines so you didn't see the change happen, right?

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
6. they're arrogant enough to not care, especially if the state government is run by the repukes
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:37 AM
Oct 2014

In 2004 one Ohio county showed 1500 more votes for Bush than were registered voters in the county-not even counting how many people voted for Kerry.
The OH SoS Ken Blackwell certified those results.

brooklynite

(94,331 posts)
8. ...and no Ohio candidate, elected official or Party leader alleged election fraud...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:40 AM
Oct 2014

...I know this is a matter of faith among some people here, but I've directly asked a lot of political people in Ohio and none believe fraud happened.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
9. One of the reasons I haven't been back to OH since 1973.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:44 AM
Oct 2014

Marion, OH brags about the fact that Warren G. Harding came from there, they don't mention that they haven't come up with anything else since 1920.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
25. Harding is regarded by many historians as the worst president in history.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:38 AM
Oct 2014

If I was the people of Marion, I'd lay low on their native son. If they have any hope, "W" will replace Harding as the worst president whenever the historians have the chance to evaluate his presidency.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
15. And the company behind it was located in Tennessee! The Bush/Rove first White House IT guy
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:54 AM
Oct 2014

was connected to it. He liked to fly small planes (know where this is going yet), a couple of days before he was to give his deposition, and after several people told him to stop flying he died in a "mysterious" plane crash.
If you want to learn more about electronic vote flipping Google Spoonamore and electronic voting fraud. He is the guru who protects your credit card purchases. He was approached by the two Diebald brothers when they built their first voting machine to see if he could hack it. Took 30 minutes and was relatively easy. They use the same thing now.

Fly by night

(5,265 posts)
7. Sometimes arrogant and reckless trumps intelligence
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:39 AM
Oct 2014

I agree that most DRE assisted election fraud is performed without voters knowing better. Down here in our swamps, I dib't think this bunch would defer doing anything they can do.

Won't debate DRE election fraud today 'cause I can't. I'm pecking this in an IPhone and I'm 30 miles from a desktop with Internet. But I have no doubt that my machine changed my vote and I am well aware of the number of ways that could have happened.

Thanks for the kick. Kick away but I won't be back online for several hours.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. Not to put on the ...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:37 AM
Oct 2014
, but the OP did indicate that the flip didn't reveal itself until he/she "reviewed" the ballot ... how many people do you think did that?

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
4. I work on computers and I don't trust the machines.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:31 AM
Oct 2014

you can program a computer to make 1+1=3 every other time it does an addition and then remove the subroutine that does that, leaving no evidence behind. With no paper trail I just don't trust the vote counts and I live in a solid blue area and I STILL don't trust them.

rickford66

(5,521 posts)
22. right
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:31 AM
Oct 2014

I program also. The code needed to count votes shouldn't be very complicated, but to hide mischief you can make it a can of worms. You can easily make it pass a verification test. The source code should be copyrighted and then published along with a list of compilers and utilities used etc. The whole process could be handled like casinos are monitored.

Buenaventura

(364 posts)
24. I suspect that it’s already “handled like casinos are monitored” ...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:58 AM
Oct 2014

by criminals (probably hired by Sheldon Adelson).

riversedge

(70,073 posts)
5. I think I will do the paper ballot this year....
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:35 AM
Oct 2014

I have enough of these vote flips to convince me to be cautious. We have two refs in my state.


Thanks for your comment

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
11. Happened to me in Florida...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:49 AM
Oct 2014

in 2004 my wife and I voted on a DRE that flipped a vote. We called the election supervisor, eventually got escorted out, and the machine was "reset" and put back in business.

It still happens in Florida - if you look at undervotes, patterns, etc. it's pretty clear that some DRE's or tabulators are hacked.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
13. Think the universe ...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:41 AM
Oct 2014

Here in AZ, we still use paper ballots ... so any trickier must occur the old fasion way ... at the central tabulation point!

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
16. Very well put
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:59 AM
Oct 2014

It's too bad they won't give you an answer. It seems like they have simply dismissed any error that may have happened (but not admitted of course). I hope you stay on their tail.

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
17. I tweeted this thread to Rachel Maddow
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:00 AM
Oct 2014

If anyone has a twitter account - it is @maddow.

Maybe tweet to Revered Al too?

Fly by night

(5,265 posts)
20. Yeah, it's great to have free 24/7 wi-fi at ...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:18 AM
Oct 2014

... the Fly General Store.

Serving the public since the 1700s.
My home since 1969.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
19. Get a lawyer and contact the DoJ
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:16 AM
Oct 2014

I worked in OH in 2004 and saw machine manipulation first hand
the Ohio and the National Democratic Party didn't do shit despite
100s of cases.

ecstatic

(32,648 posts)
26. I experienced something fishy as well
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:48 AM
Oct 2014

In GA. Always review the ballot before submitting. On my first review, it showed that I had not selected a candidate for one of the polls, so I went back to fix that.

On the second review, it showed another candidate had been left off. Even though I was sure I had answered every single question, I went back again and fixed that question.

Amazingly, the third review also showed a missed question.

On the fourth review, it showed that all the questions had been answered and I submitted my ballot.

The good news is that these problems didn't occur with the major votes for governor and senator. Had that happened, it would have been extremely obvious and I'd be crying foul right now. It could be that I was extremely distracted and not selecting candidates when I thought I was, although nothing like that has ever happened to me before.

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