Police abuse - Eric Frein

[scarystuffyo]

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The police claim his injuries were received while he was hiding out

[Comrade Grumpy]

1. Cops would never beat on a guy they're mad at.

[TBF]

2. After shooting a cop

He's lucky to be alive. They don't always show such restraint.

[KingCharlemagne]

25. All Frein allegedly did was kill a couple cops. It's not like he stole a

handful of cigarillos or was walking while black or anything serious like that.

[jehop61]

3. Sorry

but he killed their co-worker and seriously wounded another. And he disrupted and scared thousands in the area. Not a person to feel sympathy for. Glad he's in custody.

[Comrade Grumpy]

4. So a little extrajudicial punishment is justified. Got it.

[malaise]

16. +1,000 - So much for due process of law

Still shaking head.

[KingCharlemagne]

26. "Due process of law" is so 20th Century - nt

[GGJohn]

45. No it's not justified,

but there's no proof, other than his word, that the cops beat him and his word is shit right now.

[scarystuffyo]

5. I'm glad they got him also but if he gave up and had no weapons when he surrenderd

they have no right to rough him up because he killed one of their coworkers

They are suppose to follow the law whether he killed a co worker or any other person.
It's not suppose to be about a little bit of revenge when they cuff him

[kelliekat44]

56. But at least he didn't jay-walk. nt

[atreides1]

6. Are you an advocate...

...for the Darren Wilson Justice System?

Just curious?

I'm glad he's in custody, if for no other reason then the well being of the people who live in the area! But, I don't care who he killed or wounded...if the police decided to get some licks in for revenge then they are no better then he is!

[jehop61]

9. How do you know

he received any beating from the police? People sometimes just assume that's the case. Why don't we let the news on this unfold? I guess people who haven't "walked the walk"of being in law enforcement expect those who have to be super human, all knowing, and omnipotent, all for around $40 k a year. Get real and pray for the family of the fallen officer. I will.

[onenote]

44. breaking someone's nose is equally bad as murdering someone in cold blood

Interesting moral compass you have there.
Its possible to condemn unnecessary (non lethal) use of force by police (if that's what happened here which is unproven) without equating it with cold blooded murder.

[VScott]

18. "And he disrupted and scared thousands in the area".

Ahhhh, nope... that was the police that was responsible for that.

Think they would have gone as far as they did if it was an average, everyday citizen that was killed?

[newcriminal]

20. You are so right.

[Live and Learn]

36. Please stop justifying police brutality.

No incident should be tolerated.

[GGJohn]

46. And you know this is police brutality how?

The injuries were probably sustained exactly how the cops say, during his days on the run for murdering 1 cop and severly wounding another one.

[Live and Learn]

52. I didn't say it was.

But in my opinion your scenario is very unlikely.

[GGJohn]

58. Why?

You know, not all cops are neanderthals.

[Live and Learn]

62. It only takes one to do serious damage. And by the way,

Neandertals were not the violent ones.

[GGJohn]

71. Besides here on DU, is there any suggestion that the cops were too rough with him?

[Live and Learn]

72. Yes. Now, even the police are saying the injuries happened

while he was being cuffed, in spite of the fact that he surrendered peacefully. If you are asking if anyone has a great deal of sympathy, that is an entirely different question and I doubt it.

But one does not need to have sympathy for the individual to understand that allowing brutality in any form leads to more and escalating brutality in the future. No brutality should be allowed, ever!

[Whiskeytide]

7. Jumping the gun...

... has there been any suggestion they kicked him around some? Has he or a lawyer made a statement?

And, those look like pretty superficial wounds. Easily sustained while face down on the ground with a knee in your back while being cuffed (which is exactly how he should have been cuffed).

I think if police brutality was involved, he would have "resisted significantly", and would have been transported to the ER with life threatening injuries after he was "reasonably subdued", don't you agree?

Let's wait until we know a little more on this one.

[scarystuffyo]

8. The scrape maybe but the gash to the nose? his nose is swollen like he was hit

[Whiskeytide]

14. Maybe. I suppose we'll hear more about it soon...

... I hope not, though. I'm glad they got him, and I sure don't want anything to jeopardize his prosecution.

[justiceischeap]

28. The nose could have happened

If they shoved him down to the ground face first. Not trying to be an apologist but he was captured in a field and PA land is rocky.

[Live and Learn]

38. And the tooth fairy could exist.

Of course what you say could be true but I think in light of all the incidents of police brutality recently reported, we have a right to be skeptical about how his wounds were created.

[Whiskeytide]

43. Perhaps. And skepticism is healthy...

... always. But I think the best evidence of no abuse here is that he would have looked a lot worse if it were a dozen cops with revenge on their minds. I don't think he'd be ambulatory.

Maybe the more likely scenario is that one cop popped him in the face without much warning (maybe even after he was cuffed) and the others then restrained him. If it was one cop out of the 12-13 (and that's based on what I heard about how the capture went down this morning), I find that completely believable. Unacceptable, still, but very believable.

Still sucks though. Puts a bad light on an arrest I really would like to applaud.

[GGJohn]

47. Or it happened when they took him to the ground.

[Live and Learn]

53. Nope, per the news reports, he surrendered and laid down on the ground. nt

[GGJohn]

59. And standard procedure is for police to approach and put their knee in the back

of the suspect to control them, that's when the injury could've happened.
But, so far, there is no proof that these troopers were overly rough with him.

[Live and Learn]

61. If standard procedure is to break someone's nose,

the procedures need to be changed.

[GGJohn]

68. I didn't say that,

but the injury could've happened during the arrest, or it could have happened while Frein was on the run for the murder of a trooper.
Unless there is proof otherwise, this is a non issue.
Glad this murderer is in custody and will either spend the rest of his life in prison or face the death penalty.

[newcriminal]

10. I was there at the arraignment.

They paraded him around like a trained monkey. They had no business having him leave through the front doors. He came through the side door when he entered, and should have left that way. As to the police abuse, the police are saying he had those injuries before they captured him. I don't believe them, but no evidence other than prior mistrust of cops.

[Live and Learn]

54. They also drove him there in the patrol car of the officer he allegedly killed

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and used the officers cuffs on him. They are playing with him.

[GGJohn]

60. So what?

[geek tragedy]

67. Why do you have a problem with that? Nt

[treestar]

70. How big a force is it?

Maybe they needed that car. And how would he know?

[geek tragedy]

66. Your weird outrage at a terrorist being photographed

is duly noted.

[JI7]

11. t roll

[FSogol]

12. Seriously. n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

41. ROFL

Fo sho.

[msanthrope]

63. You Better Believe It. nt

[sharp_stick]

13. I think they showed incredible restraint

I'm surprised he wasn't killed falling off a cliff while running away.

[newcriminal]

15. Not killing someone is showing incredible restraint?

[sharp_stick]

17. It is when cops and cop killers

are involved.

I would never have placed a bet on this guy coming out of the woods alive.

[newcriminal]

19. I assumed he would be killed, but

see I think most cops are evil assholes. I wouldn't call it restraint that they only ruffed him up instead of killing him. I will call it surprisingly doing their job (except the ruffed up part, that is still evil asshollyness).

[Glassunion]

40. There are no cliffs in Tannersville

Just sayin'

[sharp_stick]

48. There's always a cliff

when someone needs to fall off of one and in a lot of jurisdictions this guy would have found it.

[blackspade]

21. I'm glad he was caught.

But, if the cops roughed him up, they should be charged with battery.
Isolated cases like this are used to justify police brutality and shootings.
Because the job is so dangerous and all that......

[NM_Birder]

24. I'm sure he slipped on his oven mittens,

from the fresh baked cookies he made to welcome the officers there to discuss this "nasty" business.

[blackspade]

35. What?

Not sure what point you are trying to make.

[gratuitous]

22. In a high profile case like this

I am confident that any misconduct by the police will be closely scrutinized by Mr. Frein's attorneys and brought to the court's attention. I really want Mr. Frein to have the very best legal representation.

What I thought was interesting, though, was on the lead story this morning on the Toady Show. Frein was repeatedly referred to in neutral terms, never called a thug or a bully or a terrorist. Mentally, I compared and contrasted the language NBC used to talk about Frein with that used to describe other alleged criminals of a - shall we say - duskier hue. The most descriptive term the report used was to call Frein a "gun enthusiast."

As I said, interesting.

[KamaAina]

37. "Toady Show" FTW!

That was intentional, right?

[LiberalElite]

23. I would have expected

them to rough him up more than that (I'm not making excuses for them). Since he's just a little banged up, I think it wasn't the cops.

[Jackpine Radical]

30. In the old days, the cops knew how to inflict serious pain

without leaving marks. The proverbial rubber hoses & whatnot. Don't they teach that stuff in the academies any more? And didn't anybody have a taser?

[blue neen]

27. Eric Frein hid out in the woods for 7 weeks, in dire and drastic conditions.

What did you think he would look like when he was caught? George Clooney on his wedding day?

This OP is making an apparent inference that just doesn't ring true. There is only one reason for this post, and that's to stir up trouble. If you have actual proof that Mr. Frein was abused, then show it. Otherwise, you just look like you're showing misplaced sympathy for a murdering psychopath. If that's your gig, you must love Dick Cheney.

This thread should be taken down.

[Renew Deal]

31. He got captured without a fight and ended up with a broken nose.

I have no sympathy for the guy, but the story doesn't seem accurate.

[LiberalElite]

39. "ended up with a broken nose"

Anything's possible but maybe he had those injuries already?? He HAS been running around in the woods for a while....

[PADemD]

32. IMO, he looks too clean shaven after 7 weeks on the run in the woods.

Why doesn't he have a full beard?

He probably fell on his face from running over rocks and boulders trying to avoid the police.

[TBF]

42. That is a very interesting point -

perhaps he wasn't in the woods the whole time.

[Renew Deal]

29. I noticed the same thing

He surrendered without a fight and ended up with a broken nose?

[locdlib]

33. who cares about his minor scrapes and scratches??? he killed people.

i am not a fan of kkkops, but if they did scrape and scratch him, i don't care. this idiot killed people and hid out for several weeks. i guess the next time a criminal is caught, he/she should complain that they weren't picked up in a limo bus stocked with champagne and caviar.

[Feral Child]

34. The wound to the nose looks fresh,

the blood hasn't fully coagulated yet. (Photo, Post #*)

On the other hand, this looks exactly like the kinds of wounds to be expected if he was "face-planted" during the cuffing procedure. Rough, but to be expected against a highly dangerous killer that had shot from ambuscade. They certainly would have been jazzed on adrenalin, anger and fear. I'm sure they weren't being gentle, but that really doesn't look like a beating from rage.

I'm sure any DUer familiar with my posts will attest that I'm not a cop-apologist. I seldom give them the benefit of doubt when their actions are questionable. I just don't believe that they'd risk letting him walk due to police brutality.

[Historic NY]

57. And it also looks like he was cleaned up...

before the arraignment perhaps at the jail where he got the jump suit. He was found in an old airplane hanger.

[Feral Child]

65. Yep.

I'm sure they would have enjoyed giving him a thorough beating, but I don't believe they'd risk jeopardizing their case.


That's about the only reason they'll exercise restraint.

Glad they pinched the dude, he was a menace.

[garf]

49. Police should be required to wear body cams while on duty. <nt>

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[H. Cromwell]

50. Who Cares if

Eric Frein got injured when he was caught. I realize that the general consensus of the police on this forum is that they are all mostly scum and deserve a slow painful death.
Eric Frein set up and ambushed 2 PA State Troopers, killing one. I suspect that his trial will be a fair and balanced conviction of 1st degree murder and that he will be on a fast track to meeting his maker. Even if they had a video of the PSP beating him with lead pipes he'd still be getting the death penalty.
The hardest part of his trial will be finding unbiased jurors.
Those bruises on his face are the least of his worries.

[Live and Learn]

55. I do. Police brutality is never acceptable.

And I don't think there are posts on DU calling for the death of cops at all.

[PatrickforO]

51. I do not know enough about this specific case to comment about it, but I will say

that if all American police and sheriffs wore body cameras, cases like this wouldn't come up nearly as much.

[dembotoz]

64. should be looked into--what makes us not the same as the bad guys

[Live and Learn]

73. +1 Glad somebody gets it. nt

[treestar]

69. We don't have to assume that

He was hiding out in the woods FFS. He could have been scratched by a branch. Any number of things could have caused that.

[Live and Learn]

74. The police have admitted it happened during the arrest.

He made no attempt to flee and didn't put up a fight.


"He had nowhere to go. There is nothing he could've done," Malkowski said, adding: "From what I saw, he felt defeated because we'd won. We'd defeated him."


After the marshals turned him over to state police, Frein was placed in Dickson's handcuffs and driven in Dickson's squad car to the Blooming Grove barracks.


Frein, 31, could be seen with a gash on the bridge of his nose and a scrape over his left eye. Malkowski and Kimball said he suffered the injuries while marshals had him down on the pavement.

http://www.wtae.com/news/report-eric-frein-captured/29443986

You can draw your own conclusions but I think it is pretty obvious what happened. And, it should not be tolerated, ever.