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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUPDATED: Senate Dems Will Exceed Expectations
PREVIOUSLY:I see the following hard fought-but-solid-Dem wins:
NC, NH, LA, GA. In all 4, the Dem currently leads, and that gives us 49.
UPDATE (poll range: 10/15-10/31)
NC: Hagan - UP 1.1
NH: SHaheen - UP 3.4
LA: Landrieu - UP 4.4
GA: Nunn - DOWN 0.3
NC, LA, and GA show the three way polls. In a two way, Hagan increased to 1.8, Landrieu loses by 5.2, and Nunn stays the same
Early voting in NC and GA look excellent for Dems (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/31/upshot/early-voting-election-results-hold-good-news-for-democrats.html?abt=0002&abg=0). I say Nunn pulls out a run off victory.
Landrieu has had to defeat a runoff opponent twice before, so she know how to do it, but a 5 point deficit may be too much to overcome. Let's assume LA goes Red.
Dems win 3 of 4, giving us 48 seats (and counting!)
PREVIOUSLY:
KS, IA, KY, AK. 1 of those 4 gives us 50. 2 secures the deal at 51. If we somehow take all 4 we hold at 53.
NOTES: If Orman wins, I think he'll sit with the Dems. His explanation of why he's running as an Independant (http://www.ormanforsenate.com/independence) reveals that he wants people who are "fiscally responsible and socially tolerant" to have a voice. In essence, he's a Blue Dog.
While I was initially convinced that CO would stay Dem in a squeaker, it seems to have slipped outside of our grasp.
50/51, and that's my story.
UPDATE (poll range: 10/15-10/31)
KS: Orman (I) - UP 0.8
IA: Braley - DOWN 1.1
KY: Grimes - DOWN 6.3
AK: Begich - DOWN 1.0
NEW NOTES: I think Joni Ernst in IA is this year's Sharron Angle. In 2010, the RCP average from 10/15-10/31 had Angle up by 3, and Reid losing in 6 out of 6 polls. Reid went on to win by 5.6 points! Following that analogy, Braley is up by 15 points in IA early voting!!! (http://www.politicususa.com/2014/10/29/democrat-bruce-braley-whopping-15-points-early-voters-iowa-senate-race.html)
Begich had a great poll on 10/28, but slipped back again immediately. There is a great GOTV effort in Alaska, but let's assume that Begich is a toss up. Grimes is struggling, sadly, and KY does not look very promising.
Still, a Braley win in Iowa, that puts us at 49. If Begich succeeds, we're at 50. If not - well, here's why that could be fine...
In KS, Orman says he'll sit with the majority party. But even if Begich falls, if Orman sits with Dems, we'll have an EVENLY DIVIDED Senate. Exactly what an Independant minded candidate would want, right? In reality though, he'll be in the majority, because Biden would break any tie vote.
No matter what the Republicans offer him, Democrats will up the offer. Plus, if he sits with Republicans, they'll have a 2 seat majority...FOR 2 YEARS. In 2016, Dems will come back, Orman will be on the outside looking in, and it will be too late to make any Democratic friends.
My prediction last week was we will hold 50/51 seats. This week the math is different, but the end results stand.
Democrats will hold 50/51 Senate seats. That's STILL my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)All Democrats running are far Superior to their Rethug counterparts.
Cha
(297,237 posts)eggplant
(3,911 posts)rsmith6621
(6,942 posts)I dont trust what is being reported. Seems like the MEDIA is hell bent on seeing Obama has to deal with republicans. I think it is all crap.
demwing
(16,916 posts)though increasing our #s is very much in play.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Even the Peninsula Clarion down in Kenai endorsed him - the ONLY Democrat in their long list of endorsements.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)In 2010 there were more votes for Dems than Republicans but more Republicans went to DC than Dems.
Reter
(2,188 posts)There's a 75% chance Republicans pick up seats in the House. The chances of them losing it is around 0.5%. Even less likely is that we pick up seats in the Senate. I'd put that at 0.0001%. Sucks, but better to know what's coming. I'll do my part Tuesday, but in my head I will hope we do better than expected. Breaking even in the House (with same seats as this time) and going down to 49 seats in the Senate will be as good as we can get.
demwing
(16,916 posts)I just laid out a reasonable path, based on aggregate polling and early voting trends, that shows we can do better. We can hold control of the Senate, and we don't have to rely on lightning.
Reter
(2,188 posts)That's all but impossible. Now, 100% impossible would be Democrats picking up seats. I bet there are some here who think we will (I'd create a poll, but don't have poll posting options).
I get what you are saying though, you at least I would label positively realistic. Democrats going down to 51 or 50 seats could happen if everything goes right. In my opinion though, there are a couple of wins you project that simply won't happen. I think the best case scenario is we go down to 49 seats. If I had to pick a number though, based on pollings and other information, I'd say we drop to 47 seats. We will see though. I will come back here Tuesday night either way, and I will praise you to no end if you are right.
demwing
(16,916 posts)They were last election, over-favoring Republicans by about 3.5 points. Here's Nate Silver's graph (sorry about the size):
Let's say that the polls this year are much cleaner, and over-favor Republicans by just 1-2%. Here's what happens:
1% makes is a virtual tied game.
a 2% bias flips the odds. Instead of a 76% chance that the Republicans will succeed, there would then be a 77% chance that DEMs would hold the Senate.
Remember, there was a demonstrable 3+% Republican bias in the last election...
Reter
(2,188 posts)Others aren't. I've been following them since the 1992 election. I still have articles from 1994. The internet was a baby back then, but I clearly remember Lynn Samuals (RIP my dear) saying on her radio show a few nights before the election that it won't be so bad.
Polls are usually right. However, what do you think when all polls say candidate A is up by 6 points, then candidate B wins by 4? I won't say they are outright stolen, but sometimes an electrical voting error happens and the final results are wrong. Happens in both of our favors. But make no mistake about it, I don't believe the polls were wrong in some of these cases.
rso
(2,271 posts)You've certainly done lots of analysis and research. All I can say is that I hope you are right.
BKH70041
(961 posts)Gotta start with #1 and work your way to #3.
demwing
(16,916 posts)laugh the best
demwing
(16,916 posts)Dealing with loss before you actually lose is worse than being in a state of denial, it's being in a state of submission...
Cha
(297,237 posts)job to discourage Dem Voters.. and too many get SUCKED into IT!
Thanks demwing
demwing
(16,916 posts)Piss off those who call us the unlikely voters
Cha
(297,237 posts)mopinko
(70,103 posts)no senate race here. but early voting is exceding expectations.
polls be damned.
d_b
(7,463 posts)but it's going to have to be bad-ass
demwing
(16,916 posts)Even though it's not do or die, we should treat it like it is....
I didn't know you were living Outside now. Yes, the ground game is bad-ass. I still feel good about Begich, no matter what these nervous Nellies say. As I said, I could be wrong, but I feel optimistic.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_1998
This was right after Congress impeached President Clinton over a blowjob. The press and pundits, AND the GOP, figured 1998 was going to be a banner year for Republicans. Instead, the Republicans lost five seats in the House and the balance of power in the Senate didn't change.
Here's the Republicans' problem in a nutshell: In general, people are pretty happy with their own congressmen. There aren't any real widespread "red meat" issues on America's ballots to bring Republicans to the polls in states that aren't already overrun with them - the states that are battling gay marriage are already redder than a Corvette. If you look close at the Democrats running to replace retiring Democrats, you'll notice they're fairly similar ideologically. (If the electorate likes a Democrat that's for holding the line on taxes, reasonable infrastructure investment and keeping the government out of women's healthcare decisions, they probably WON'T suddenly decide a Republican who wants to eliminate taxes, turn the roads to gravel to save money and execute doctors for even mentioning the word "abortion" is the man for them - especially when a Democrat very much like the one who's retiring is on the ballot.) Because people like their congressmen, they get reelected at a frightening rate - somewhere around 90 percent - UNLESS one of two things happen: the Republicans hold one of their "flush the Democrats out" special election attack campaigns like the Contract on America or the tea party revolt, or the Republicans do something unspeakably stupid and evil and get their asses handed to them.
Where we fucked up this cycle is very simple: We did not exploit Republican unwillingness to do anything but thwart the president at every turn. I don't think we'll do nearly as badly this cycle as Fox "news" hopes we do, but we won't do as well as we could have simply by pointing out that in the "business world" the GOP wants to make the government more like, keeping the company from doing anything will get your ass fired quick.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)for a reason
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)did you see my comments about Orman?
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)That is the one race I'm hoping everyone has wrong.
drray23
(7,629 posts)I think your analysis is accurate. Many polls are wrong because they do not factor in the "new" voters. People who decide to go vote in droves when they had not done it before. That is how President Obama got elected and why Fox News and co were so surprised election night with all polls indicating a Romney win.
There are many early reports pointing towards record voting participation heavily tilted towards democrats. These people are not part of the sample poll.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)It's not going to be nearly as bad as the media predicts. And we will clean their clocks in 2016. Thank goodness we have Obama from 2014-2016. Lots of bad stuff won't happen because of him.
I'm on idiot savant on this issue. Even my buddies that do sometimes famous campaign ads call me and ask "how're gonna do."
Not as bad as a lot of people think, I say. Then stayed tuned for 2016. Liberals rule. Eventually. LOL!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)but it seems to me that Mark Begich is doing just fine. I'm not sure who they're polling, but I know that I and many of my friends are suffering from campaign fatigue and aren't answering our phones unless we recognize the number. Mark has done very well in debates, while Sullivan spouts talking points. A lot of people are put off by the fact that he just now brought up Mitt Romney and that fucker Ted Cruz, who cost the state of Alaska millions during the shutdown - which everybody here knows he was responsible for. I just don't see Sullivan winning, given Mark's ground game and elevated early voting numbers.
I could be completely wrong, but that's just the way it feels to me.
demwing
(16,916 posts)thanks for your local perspective!
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)stuff on Alaska.