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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums(Made Me Laugh): True Catholics,” he writes, must “resist” the Pope’s pressure to change the Church.
For over a year conservative Catholics have had their chastity belts in a twist over Francis and apparently, the chafing has finally grown too much to bear.
Over at The New York Times, columnist Ross Douthat, a convert to Roman Catholicism, warned that Franciss current path could eventually lead to real schism. With the threat of schism hanging in the air he then encourages a kind of rebellion: True Catholics, he writes, must resist the Popes pressure to change the Church.
Other conservatives agree, pointing to Pauls Letter to the Galatians, in which the upstart self-proclaimed Apostle Paul describes a meeting when he called out Peterthe first Popefor hypocrisy. To his face and everything. According to Paul, Peter backed down. Now traditionalists want to use this as a precedent for calling out the Pope when hes not Pope-y enough.
Benedict is hanging back for now, but theres no doubt that he could easily become a figurehead for traditionalists harkening back to the good old days.
Proof-texting from scripture in order to criticize the Popenow whos being Protestant?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/02/is-the-pope-catholic-critics-rally-around-benedict-as-talk-of-schism-looms.html
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)crossed my mind too. When the institution becomes the religion rather than the spirit and inspirition behind it, it is time to pull it down and start over. Francis is trying to make Christians feel the force (FEEL THE FORCE,LUKE) and spirit of the church and realize how mired they have become in tradition .
Hell, I remember the uproar in breaking the tradition of meatless Fridays and women not having to wear a hat or headcovering in church.
Times, they are achanging.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)Non-Popey!
They were pissed about Vatican II as well.
Great idea to make a pedophile, disgraced, only retired Pope, the figurehead.
Gotta love the Roman Catholic Church
K&R
Kath1
(4,309 posts)Thanks!
mmonk
(52,589 posts)learned in catechism classes, ignore the Bishop of Rome. 😉
Aerows
(39,961 posts)They despise anything that even smells of change. "You mean we might need to look around ourselves and view the world instead of sitting in our cloister? Satan!"
Faux pas
(14,681 posts)Converts protesting the Pope, doesn't quite have the impact they think it should. Aw, what do I know? I've a recovering Catholic.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)in their beliefs than the recently converted.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)... is merely infalliblish? Slightly infalliblish???
UTUSN
(70,695 posts)Paulie
(8,462 posts)It's not like the Catholic Church hasn't went though this before (then and now)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Schism
The current ones that are upset about Vatican II are still around too.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)capitalism, which is God's plan for humanity and the world
I believe HH's response involved elliptical references to tinder
Aerows
(39,961 posts)The second someone tries to change the status quo, they will disagree with the head of their Church, Jesus Christ (certainly disagreed with him) and pretend that they are the righteous ones.
It never fails. They can't stand change.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)the conservatives think they're more Catholic than the Pope. (I was raised RC but left it years ago.)
Orrex
(63,212 posts)This joke shamelessly stolen from M*A*S*H*.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Give him the electric pew?
Orrex
(63,212 posts)Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)hunter
(38,312 posts)... otherwise he'd still be Pope.
One can't help but think some scandal was the cause of Benedict's retirement, a scandal much worse than the usual papal shenanigans and hypocrisies.
AnnieBW
(10,426 posts)I figure that it was going to come out that he was a pedo. Either that, or he had Alzheimer's and didn't want people to see it. Frankly, I think he was a witness to JPII's decline and didn't want to go through the same thing.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Much like how the right wing in this country has cast Obama - a true centrist if ever there was one - as some sort of radical.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)A conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to." What he forgot to add is "whether the facts merit it or not."
One of the constants of history is that right-wingers have never believed in material or moral progress save for the elites. Twas ever thus.
And Douthat is a cretin.
AnnieBW
(10,426 posts)Okay, I haven't been to Mass in a long time. But, the last time I heard, the Pope was infallible.