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My fundamental problem with current politics is this: I perceive a broad spectrum of current problems and looming crises in the nation and the world, ranging from the spectre of mass surveillance to environmental degradation and catastrophic climate change. This combination of threats has the potential to destroy not just our species, but the Earths biosphere. Few if any politicians are taking any of these matters seriously, mostly because greedy and apparently overwhelmingly powerful forces have chosen to let their own short-term self-interest determine the course of our future.
These forces, the international corporations and banks, now control all aspects of our government, from the courts to the Statehouses, and are forcing their tentacles ever downward into ever smaller units of local government such as county and town boards and local school boards. This unseen and unelected oligarchy controls the mass media, which it uses to censor and distort information and mold public opinion as it chooses. The oligarchy is currently grasping for control of the Internet to complete its control of access to public opinion and eliminate the last channels of dissent.
The oligarchs are not monolithic in their interests; some, for whatever reason, have culturally liberal values and are tolerant of gay rights, reproductive choice, and drug legalization, while others have made alliance with culturally conservative social and religious movements that would prefer to suppress these social liberties.
Likewise, the economic overlords seem to be somewhat divided in their opinions on the desirability of continuous warfare, and this schism has been sufficient to permit the current administration to avoid armed conflict with Syria and Iran so far, although the hawks have so far had their way with Afghanistan, and the Islamic State is providing a rationale for entering a new conflict of undefined boundaries and proportions in the Middle East.
It is within the crevices that divide the oligarchs that our political parties are allowed to have their differences with each other. The liberals fight for social liberties, and the conservatives struggle to enforce their view of morality. With few exceptions (minimum wage perhaps being one), no issue is permitted to rise into public attention if it is opposed by a consensus of oligarchs.
It is not correct to say that there is no difference between the parties; clearly, there is, particularly on the previously mentioned issues of individual liberty. However, the differences that do exist are too small, and do not begin to span the range of critical issues that the world faces. Climate change, for example, was not even mentioned in the 2012 Presidential debates, and members of both parties are all too willing to do the bidding of the fossil fuel industry. Both parties have been complicit in the growth of the Security State. Both have actively worked to replace a public education system, and an educated populace, that were once the pride of the world with a privatized system of narrow vocational education that produces heavily indentured drones to unquestioningly take up roles as cogs in the industrial machine, with an infirm and largely inaccurate knowledge base that precludes them from seeing or thinking beyond the narrow boundaries of the world as defined by Fox News, Facebook, and reality TV.
The problems we face are so severe, and the time remaining to address them so short, that I despair of the power of politics as usual to even begin to address them. Further, I believe that these problems cannot effectively be addressed piecemeal. Either we quickly and decisively gain control over the Corporate State that threatens to overrun us, or we will be crushed beneath the massive weight of power-mad forces that are so short-sighted as not to see that their own doom will follow shortly upon ours.
Where are the politicians who will take on the Evil Empire?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)ms liberty
(8,574 posts)Of course, someone will come along in a minute to SHOUT at me for not being their version of a "real democrat."
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)to keep the ship from going over the cataract, and the political debate is over whether to turn 40º right or only 15.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)President......
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)There's a big difference, unfortunately.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Just saying ...
The key is you cant just have them....you have to get them elected....your theory has a few gaping holes...
Warpy
(111,261 posts)When that happens, everything will go with it. The economic devastation will be extreme. People will be screaming for the heads of politicians on pikes on the courthouse lawn. Going into politics, instead of being a ticket to Easy Street on the backs of taxpayers and lavishly supported by corporate lobbyists, will once again be a job.
Politicians, even good ones, consistently fail to prevent disaster, they can only react to it when it happens and the disaster has to be big enough to be felt by the rich.
Silent Depressions that cause us to fall farther back every year with most of us blaming ourselves for it are just ducky. Only when it starts to make the billionaires squeal does it become a problem.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)the screaming for heads on pikes gets lip service while the politicians figure out how to get their rich-fuck friends off the hook & write sham fiscal control legislation that nobody actually intends to enforce.
Wasn't it one of the Mellons who said in about 1931 that depressions are simply those times when wealth flows back to its natural owners?
And yes, we are in for another bubble-pop. A very big one, if only because the bubble on top has gotten so much larger in the past 6 years. Banks may have gone bankrupt, but bankers did not.
jeepers
(314 posts)But your ending question is naive and undeserving of your observations. There is no philosopher king or timocracy on the horizon that might fix this mess for us. I suspect you know already that there are no politicians able to take on the evil empire and that it will take a populist uprising to change things. But elections are fun, distracting and and for a little while do give us the illusion of hope.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)politicians that can defeat the Ruling Oligarchs?", then I would agree with naive because I believe the situation is near hopeless. But unless we are willing to give up w/o a fight, and I don't think the Left is, we need to find those that have influence (members of the 1%) that are willing to fight the monster. I don't know if it is possible to defeat the monster w/o being destroyed in the process, but we must try. And IMHO we need the help of some in the 1%.
Sadly, we must put up with those among us that are afraid to fight for their liberties and freedoms. They are willing to boil in the pot like the frog.
jeepers
(314 posts)It borders on silly. Members of the 1% who will fight the monster. (That is a timocracy) No individual or group of wealthy men is going to fix this monster. My point is that while we are looking for savior, a group, or a party to save us, to turn the boiling pot
down as it were, we are all going to cook.
We go about looking for a leader, a Bernie Sanders or an Elizabeth Warren or we put our trust in wealthy. powerfull individuals or their party and we hope beyond reason that they will fight for us.
All that is irrelevant.
We need to talk about what we the people can do for our county. Outside of putting our trust in other men what can I do as a citizen?
Vote, protest, march, petition, Mother may I.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to get us out of this. That doesn't mean we shouldn't rebel (non-violent) and put pressure on and show our saviors that we have their backs. We got out of the First Great Republican Depression because FDR and others in the 1% thought it was the right thing to do. We have to have leaders.
Martin Eden
(12,867 posts)That wasn't a "rant" -- that was a very sober and well articulated summation of the greatest threats facing the world today and the obstacles to critically needed change.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)Good points well articulated. I was also delighted to see one of my favorite quotes as your signature line. I've been using it for a long time, though only recently on my DU posts. I'm not sure I'll live long enough to catch up to your numbers, though!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)blindly, tilting at windmills.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)The piecemeal nature of the issues...yes.
There are way more humans than any beaurocracy can manage. Our modern living needs can only be served by leviathans of mass production.
Our daily lives are so entwined and dependent on what the masters of production provide that there is, functionally, no way to separate oneself, without adopting an extreme lifestyle. We need a populist uprising, and many people are disgusted by the System. But many are also entrenched in mundane (but very real) concerns of daily life. And many don't think deeply into the larger problems. Because it's scary, among other reasons. We're overwhelmed and so what do most people do? Amuse themselves to death. (To borrow Neil Postman's book title.)
These are just observations. Aside from following the best nature-supportive practices I can and trying my best to be aware, kind and wise, I alone can only do so much. That's how it is for all of us, I guess.
Not that most of us here are going to stop doing the best we can......
Hmmm, why did the movie "Idiocracy" just come to mind? Hmmmmmmm......
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)The power went out. My cell phone was about dead and I had an eighth of a tank of gas in the car. I realized that this whole civilization is totally dependent on electricity, oil and fair weather. Today, I'm looking at a 10 acre farm not far from the suburb where I live.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I was living in the country for 15 years, but it was an hour drive to work (one way), and when the guy I was living with couldn't suppress his alcoholism and rage issues any longer and we ended.....well, there was no one else to handle the "farm". So I needed to move.
Much more practical now, and I'm closer to civilization and friends. I've got a used Prius, and I'd sure like to set up solar. But yeah, we're dependent on big energy, big food, big "health".
But still, it's critical to keep moving forward, doing as much good as we can. imnvho. (In my not very humble opinion. )
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)I lived off the grid for a couple of years and have some idea of how to do it, but it would be rough in our current setting, not made any easier given that I'm 70 now. (Gad--I was a mere child in my 50's when I started posting around here.)
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Societal changes we experience in the last century came from the Progressive Party of Wisconsin. It could happen again with the right leadership. Once the old guard pasted,they were replace with the likes of Tail Gunner Joe and his Bircher Crowd from Rippon. The corporatist are methodical in their relentless theft of power. Over the last fifty years we have seen this slow picking away at the FDR programs of the 30's and 40's witch pissed off the Mellons and Morgans types. We as a collective Nation drank the Kool Aid and this is what the Mega Wealthy had in store for their ideal Nation. Can this be done again,yes,but it is going to be very painful. The mega wealthy are shitting their pants because it may come crashing down on them if they don't figure out so way to save their collective faces and do some kind of wealth redistribution . The Gravy Train has left the station and it is nothing but empties.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)The Wisconsin Idea was still alive in my youth.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The crisis we face is well defined by Jackpine Radical. This is not business as usual.
Wake up, people! The time is growing late.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)watch dumbly and let them be stoned to death. No good deed goes unpunished, which is why good candidates don't magically appear.
As Bernie Sanders suggested - one way to do this is to create an org, build a 50 state group with millions of people who demand a progressive agenda. (not pissy little hundreds of thousands - this is the big leagues).
NOTE: Bernie said LEARN FROM THE GREAT SUCCESS OF THE TEA PARTY < They dragged the Republicans to the right and right over the cliff. They started by having group meetings and training and asking people to join, and THEN they chose their candidate and they WON. In race after race, time after time.
Bernie is a smart man and you ignore him at your peril.
People think these "saviors" just arose overnight and the people followed in droves. Bs. Most either worked years building and org, or took advantage of the work done before it, but they didn't get a chance to inspire and lead the masses until the masses did the work first.
There isn't an easy way out. The "easy" way was how we got here.
The politicians we want are out there, but like the Billy Preston song sings "You gotta have somthin' in order to be with me" - until someone begins to build an org which will encourage people to turn off their tv and get their asses up out of their lazy boys BY THE MILLIONS, you will get more of exactly what you have. Slow, long, hard - not the way people think of things in the instant age, but that's one of the great mistakes they make.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Corporatists on the far right that dressed it up as a faux populist outfit and sold it to the media as this "non-partisan," "we hate government" bullshit organization. What it really is is a neo-conservative/Libertarian, racist, secessionist group of idiotic sycophants out to destroy the FDR/LBJ era of good government. The Tea Party is anything but populist. Is it the far right wing of the Republican Party--the nuttiest of the nut case, ignorant, bigoted segment of that party.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Are you calling Bernie Sanders a liar? He is correct - they did a great job of organizing and, frankly, if they didn't, Democrats wouldn't be making so many excuses invoking their name to pretend it's why something was or wasn't done.
No one said they were populist except you. He said they were good at their organizing. They were, and they are.
They in fact sent out packets, met with people in their homes, trained people and went after all those holes out there that lazy people didn't see as important enough to fill, or found places where the candidates were weakest and went after them. And still do.
Did the Kochs and all those people fund it? Absolutely. Did they read Horton, Alinksky, all the others that any good organizer would be familiar with. How hard is that to figure out?
But unlike others they paid attention and created an org that went out and made other people make excuses.
Anyone not smart enough to learn from them deserves exactly what they get.
madamvlb
(495 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)K&R
2banon
(7,321 posts)Still it feels like trying to clean up a 500 million gallon cesspool with a teaspoon.
Agony
(2,605 posts)Seriously tho well said.
With the massive piles of cash that the plutocrats are spewing into elections it seems less and less likely that we will see any significant change on the national level without a serious shock.. Move To Amend is one possibility but getting the juggernaut turned around feels like a daunting nigh impossible task. This ain't gonna be easy better learn to have fun waging this battle or go crazy.
Agony
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)core problem, they are often one in the same. If not, we would not be in this mess. Business as usual will not work as the levers of power, control and wealth are pretty much controlled by like people. A problem is, we buy into their system for survival. We need to turn our backs on "the system" but how that would happen collectively I do not know. Even a charismatic progressive leader would be crushed by the system, and sadly more and more the US is becoming fields of 'Idiocracy' and idiotic tribes. Often things have to completely fail before recognition. We do not have that time ...
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)but greed rules the day in the USA.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)a new party will form, or prograssives will take over the moribund Democratic Party. This is the continuing Hard Fact: There is no opposition to the growing power of the corporate state.
Another Hard Fact: The above must happen soon, or we Will have fighting in the streets (and I don't mean the 60s kind).
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)You said it much better than I ever could. Thank you for explaining it. The only solution I see is to try to find a way to support the more liberal leaning powers that be and when allowed, do not support the more conservative leaning ones. With voting machines and so much of the MIC controlled by Republicans, though, it is kind of hard to not support conservative leaning powers that be.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)We are almost a wholly owned subsidiary of Wall St, if we are not already.
If only we could somehow organize a party of concerned citizens that cared more about freedom, liberty, justice, equality, fresh water, a stable climate and a better future than lobbyist money and corporate board gigs.
But people put so little effort into achieving those ends they proclaim to desire and then turn around and in some cases invest in and work 9-5 M-F for the people out there making our world worse, stifling our votes, destroying our safety nets and environments. We have no shortage of lip service, we desperately need some real service.