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TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 02:14 PM Nov 2014

Eyewitness interviews re: Mike Brown's murder...

Daily Kos has compiled The complete guide to every public eyewitness interview in the shooting death of Mike Brown

Mike Brown was shot and killed by Officer Darren Wilson in broad daylight on a hot Saturday afternoon in Ferguson, Missouri. Consequently, eyewitnesses were standing at virtually every angle to observe exactly what happened that day. Seven have come forward publicly. Many gave interviews in the immediate aftermath of the shooting on Canfield Drive. Below is an annotated list of every public interview and video given by each eyewitness.

Dorian Johnson

Dorian Johnson is an essential eyewitness. He was walking with Mike Brown when they were first confronted by Officer Wilson and has given the only public account of what was said and done throughout the early stages of that confrontation.

This is Dorian Johnson telling what happened while still at the scene of Mike Brown's murder:



Be sure to check out the complete video archive of eyewitnesses telling what they saw on the day that Mike Brown was murdered in cold blood by a cop in Ferguson, Missouri.

TYY
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Eyewitness interviews re: Mike Brown's murder... (Original Post) TeeYiYi Nov 2014 OP
Excellent compilation n/t Oilwellian Nov 2014 #1
Kick to highlight... TeeYiYi Nov 2014 #2
Can anyone imagine how scared he must have felt during that scarystuffyo Nov 2014 #3
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #4
This is great to have all of this in one spot, thanks Kos! logosoco Nov 2014 #5
so Piaget confirms Johnson hfojvt Nov 2014 #6
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Thank you for putting together an alternative view. amandabeech Nov 2014 #8
+1 Lil Missy Nov 2014 #11
Ferguson Police Department Dress Code... TeeYiYi Nov 2014 #9
Vote today. Mike Brown cant... TeeYiYi Nov 2014 #10

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
2. Kick to highlight...
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 03:59 PM
Nov 2014

...police brutality and racial injustice in America.

If you're confused by the ever-changing, phony police narrative surrounding the murder of Mike Brown, please take the time to go to the link in the OP and listen to actual eyewitness accounts of what really happened on the day that Mike Brown was murdered in cold blood by a cop in Ferguson, Missouri.

TYY

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
5. This is great to have all of this in one spot, thanks Kos!
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 10:56 AM
Nov 2014

If there is no indictment, they are going to have to come up with as much information like in this link to show why not. But, I don't think they have that. They are going to take a cops word that he "feared for his life".
(sorry if I am sounding angry and pessimistic, but that is how I am feeling about this right now.)

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
6. so Piaget confirms Johnson
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 12:48 PM
Nov 2014

Only trouble is, in her very first interview, she has ALREADY heard the Johnson story.

Check it out in this video

"Here Crenshaw gives an interview on the scene just hours after the shooting."

At 1:17, she says "backstory, this is not first hand, but I heard ..." and then proceeds to give Johnson's account.

So she very quickly heard Johnson's story. Presumably her friend Mitchell also heard it, from her if from nobody else.

Michael Brady seems to say that Brown did NOT have his hand up. Also, it seems like everybody describing Brown's "hands up" don't put their hands "straight up" but more like out to the side with palms up. The construction worker does that a couple of times. That gesture though is more like a "WTF" gesture than an "I give up".

Brady does not mention Brown's hands being up, but says they were around his stomach, like he got shot in the gut. But we know he was not shot there. Perhaps he had been shot in the elbow and was clutching one arm with the other. Brady said he was going down when he was shot four or five more times - and that is consistent with the recording of shots. Said he was 20 to 25 feet away (not sure how confident I can be of distance from say 100 yards away from a scene. How accurately can you estimate how far two people are apart?)

I just paced off 21 feet and it really is not that far. A moderately fast person can run 100 yards in 12 seconds. Which is about 24 feet per second. Two seconds is not a lot of time to react IF somebody is coming towards you.

Which is the big IF. Brady seems to have missed that part even if it did happen and just describes Brown going down. Brady left the window after Wilson passed Johnson chasing after (and shooting at) a fleeing Michael Brown. Thus, he missed a key five or six seconds of the action, when Brown turned around.

And did what?

The utility worker (again trying to estimate distances from a distance) says Wilson was only about 10 to 15 feet away from Brown, who turned around "Then Brown moved, the worker said. “He’s kind of walking back toward the cop.” He said Brown’s hands were still up." http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/workers-who-were-witnesses-provide-new-perspective-on-michael-brown/article_14a3e5f8-6c6a-5deb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html

Uh huh, his hands were up, but not "straight up" in an "I give up" pose, but out to the side, which could (yes I am speculating here) mean "what the fu$% are you gonna do, man?"

They report that Wilson backed away as he fired. Why would he back away from somebody who is giving up? Why does Brown need to a) turn around and b) move towards Wilson in order to give up, IF that is what he wanted to do.

The answer is that he does NOT. But he does need to do that to attack. When I look at the picture of the utility worker with his arms spread out, I don't see the body language of a guy saying "I give up" it looks more like what somebody would do while they were saying "bring it, fothermucker".

They are only perhaps 3 or 4 steps apart. When I was a college kid, the song "gimme three steps" was on the radio a lot. I joked once with my roommate "Give ME three steps, and I will have that shotgun wrapped around your neck."

Three steps is a dangerous distance.

And Mr. Freeman who supposedly "live tweeted" the event. The first of his tweets begins "they just shot a guy" and he says nothing, not even in his rap song, about the events of the shooting itself.

I STILL do not find Johnson credible. He conveniently leaves out what they just did in the store. He tells a tale of Wilson being lightning quick, to be able to reach out and grab Brown's throat and also super-strong, being able to pull a 280 pound man around with one arm from a seated position.. Wilson pulling Brown into the car is first of all, almost physically impossible, and secondly, it makes no damned sense. Who the heck wants to pull a 280 pound man onto their lap in a fighting move? Under what possible scenario is Brown unable to simply put one hand on the top of the car door and free himself with a good shove? Being 6'4" how does Brown even get pulled into the window without his head being slammed into the car? He is much taller than the car, he can't get his head in that window without ducking. I am a little less than 6 feet tall, and the top of the window on my SUV comes up to my chinny chin chin. So if you believe Brown got pulled into that window, explain to me how that is feasible.

The most believeable story is that Brown stuck his head in the car to attack. The claim he was pulled in, even repeated by three people, two of which seem to be echoing the first, is not believable to me. The far more credible explanation is that Brown reached in trying to knock the cop out so he could get away.

That, to me, though, seems at least as stupid as trying to pull a big man into your lap. But when my brother was 19 and drunk, he turned off his car lights at night trying to outrun the cops in a Gremlin. (Something the cops thought was so funny that they dropped the "attempting to elude" charge.)

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amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
8. Thank you for putting together an alternative view.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 03:16 PM
Nov 2014

Certainly, there's a lot to consider.

However, with respect to the Gremlin, if it was one of the "sports" Gremlins, it had a huge v-8 under the hood that didn't have much load to pull. I had a friend who had one of those, and I have to say, on a curvy road, that v-8 Gremlin might have given the cops a run for the money.

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