I wonder if many catcallers are also pedophiles.

[alp227]

I remember reading in the initial thread about the New York City catcalling video some DUers sharing anecdotes of being catcalled/knowing women who were sexually harassed as children.

So I can only conclude...for those who can keep denying, denying, denying that catcalling is wrong...that the fact that even children and teenage girls get catcalled shows that men who like to "holla" at women in public have something in common with pedophiles. Quite disturbing.

[AverageJoe90]

1. Unfortunately, there are certainly a few who are.

Granted, I wouldn't go so far as to say *many*......I'm no rose-colored glasses optimist, but I'm no extreme cynic, either(P.S., just so we're clear, that wasn't directed at anyone in particular).....but they are out there, somewhere.

[XemaSab]

6. Free money!

n/t

[seabeyond]

12. except you are not a woman, was not a girl, and not a parent taking care of a daughter. see how many

women have had this begin at 10, 11, 12 and then get back to me.

really? a man, young from what i get, deciding that really.... not many. move along.

[AverageJoe90]

15. Um....I wasn't trying to do, or doing, period, what you thought I was.

12. except you are not a woman, was not a girl, and not a parent taking care of a daughter.

I'm sorry that happened to you. That's not good.

But all I ask is that you stop this "deciding" schtick. Okay? There was no "deciding" for me (or anyone else) to do. I offered my take(assuming that we're still allowed to disagree with one another.) on things and that was it. There was no "ur wrong, dummy" or anything like that. It was a simple, "Well, okay, but I disagree slightly, here's how I see it". And the personal dig at myself wasn't appreciated either, btw.

[seabeyond]

21. why do you NOT realize your take on the amount of harassment of our young girls is LIMITED

at best?

[nomorenomore08]

31. How would you know it's only "a few"? I don't think anyone would argue the majority

of catcallers are pedophiles, but sexual predation is a continuum. Those who prey upon adults, and those who prey upon children, have a lot in common, even if their targets differ.

[LWolf]

2. They sure didn't restrain themselves

when I was 11, 12, 13...

[orpupilofnature57]

3. It's victimizing people with an imposition, perpetrated by misanthropes. Period.

[chervilant]

32. It is sexism and misogyny,

perpetrated within the framework of a patriarchal society, wherein women and children are relegated to second-class citizenry. It is overwhelming, and it hasn't changed significantly for the better.

Period.

[orpupilofnature57]

34. + 1000 !!!

[pnwmom]

4. They would deny it, but, yes, some of the cat callers are attracted to female children. n/t

[bravenak]

5. They did it when I was 12,13,14,15,16,17......

And when you said, "I'm thirteen!" They got even more excited. And followed you home. Best to walk in a group, learned that in sixth grade when a friend did not walk in the group and was pulled into a van. She was terribly injured physically and emotionally. He escaped as far as I know.

[seabeyond]

13. good thing joe was her to let us know that it is not many. i remember 12.

does not mean situations did not happen early. but, being a child, maybe i just did not pick up on them or remember.

[bravenak]

19. Joe ALWAYS knows.

EVERYTHING.

[AverageJoe90]

17. I'm sorry to hear about you and your friend.

(BTW, I do hope they eventually caught the bastard who tried to kidnap your friend. )

[bravenak]

18. No Joe.

They did not catch the rapist who raped her. They rarely do.

[wandy]

7. No doubt some are. Try looking at it this way...........

You see an attractive car. You want to say "nice" but you stop your self because its an inanimate object and won't appreciate it.
You see an attractive piece of hardware. You want to say "nice" but you stop your self because its an inanimate object and won't appreciate it.

You see an attractive lady. You want to say "nice" but you should stop your self because common courtesy and/or human dignity.
This is a person and almost certainly will not appreciate it.

Trouble is some people just don't have the common sense.
"Raised in a barn" as my mama always said.

[AverageJoe90]

16. That's true. Good points here.

And, personally, I've never done that before, and don't plan on ever doing it. I'm just not that kind of person.

Trouble is some people just don't have the common sense.
"Raised in a barn" as my mama always said.

Also, seconded.

[hedgehog]

8. How many catcallers are supposed to be working instead of annoying passing women?

[alp227]

9. But they'll sexually harass female coworkers instead. nt

[mythology]

23. The one good thing about that, is there would be repercussions at work

That obviously doesn't make it okay, but it's at least an incentive to not catcall at work.

[Brickbat]

10. In most cases, I don't think they're interested or aroused when yelling at women.

It's just a continuation that women are to be observed and judged in order to justify taking up space.

[AverageJoe90]

22. That's probably true, I would think.

Doesn't really make it any better, though, not for the victims.

[gollygee]

11. I've always read that children are preferred as prostitutes

Like they're the most popular, and the average age of entry into prostitution is between 12 and 14.

We had a thread about this at one point in HOF and it seems like our experience in general was that we got more actual propositions - like monetary promises for sex - as children than as adults.

[seabeyond]

14. little weasels cant handle women older, not so naive, gullible, easily shamed, controlled or

manipulated. they need young one that have not learned to stand up for themselves, or experienced enough of the world to know their worth.

[Quackers]

20. I wonder if there's a way to tell if someone is predisposed to being a pedofile?

For example, could it be seen on a brain scan? I've never understood the attraction to children. I'm not 100% normal myself mind you as I have a foot thing, but everything I've ever done has been with consenting adults.

[davidn3600]

26. It's not always a clear definition

I mean some countries have the age of consent as low as 14. In psychology, the DSM suggests its only really a mental illness if the child is prepubescent (generally 13 and younger). In the US, age of consent ranges from 16-18, depending on the state.

So where do you draw the line? It's all over the place.

[seabeyond]

27. hey... some countries you can buy a girl bride at 10. so?

[davidn3600]

30. Sure...that's my point

No one seems to have consensus.

You even got some people right here on DU who thinks it is perfectly acceptable for an older female teacher to pursue a relationship with an underage male student.

[closeupready]

24. In our culture, "Girls! Girls! Girls!" is not just a pop song,

but a refrain used to imply that the barker has females who are young and sexually willing. That is sick, but that's our culture.

[seabeyond]

25. the saying? once she hits puberty, free game. that could be 10 yrs old for some. prey/predator

ted nugent. polanski

far far from all men. but a culture encouraged. not as much today, and that truly pisses some off.

[closeupready]

29. Yes, not as much these days, that's true. and I agree

that the fact that it still happens at all is outrageous.

[Ken Burch]

28. Some(like in any other group, God help us). I'd guess a far greater number are impotent. n/t.

[Jamastiene]

33. Good question.

They are certainly a type of sexual predator, imo. So, it is probably possible.