North Carolina: Votes for the Democrats being flipped to Republican!

[nc4bo]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/11/02/voting-machines-flipping-votes-for-republican-candidate-in-north-carolina/

North Carolina voters are being urged to check the paper rolls that can be found next to the screen on voting machines. The warning comes after at least 14 people have reported problems with how the machines are recording their votes.

According to the News & Record, voters who have attempted to cast their votes for the Democratic candidate have found that the machine registers the vote as one cast for the republican instead.

Sixty-nine year old Percy Bostick attempted to cast his vote for democrat Kay Hagan. The machine registered Bostick’s vote as having been cast for republican Thom Tillis. Bostick reported the problem to an election worker, who told him to ‘do it again’.

“And again, I touched the screen at the proper place for Kay Hagan, and it again reported it for Thom Tillis.”

The machine flipped his vote from Hagan to Tillis a third time. On his fourth attempt, the machine finally registered his vote for Hagan.

..more at the link

[Ecumenist]

1. This BULSHIT AGAIN?!! They're doing this shit again and we need to FIX THIS SHIT!!!

I am SO SICK of this mess.

[nc4bo]

2. I know. Everyone should be demanding paper ballots....

Can't trust the system as it stands.

[cstanleytech]

17. Its not the system you cant trust its the republicans. nt

[Dont call me Shirley]

32. And their republican electronic voting machines

[cstanleytech]

37. Agreed. nt

[tclambert]

66. Hey, it's important to keep the voting software secret because . . . reasons!

Secret reasons. Open-source software sounds like some kind of anti-competitive communist plot. If election-machine companies didn't keep their software secret, they couldn't make as much money . . . by selling vote-flipping subroutines to the highest bidder.

[Dont call me Shirley]

109. Because reasons. Good one.

[pocoloco]

6. Fix it?? LOL

The Dems have had 14 fucking years to fix it!

[Politicalboi]

10. Oh, we only need a few more months

I promise. You'll see come 2016

[Caretha]

14. No shit

makes you sick.

[zeemike]

16. And it is not even on their radar scope.

They just pretend there is nothing to it or that it don't matter...and perhaps they know something we don't.
The game is rigged but the riggers pay well.

[ballyhoo]

19. Right. Once again--Lions and tigers and bears at the last minute. Do we

still not know whom we are dealing with? I'm afraid it's all over but the shoutin' Tuesday.

[eggplant]

21. No, no, they're already fixed. That's the problem. n/t

[Phlem]

7. There will always be some kind of bullshit going on

during elections and it's not just voting machines but a compilation of efforts in all tactics. Greed makes no distinction in what's fair or not.

[theHandpuppet]

18. Yep.

I guess we should have expected this.

[staggerleem]

117. Fix WHAT?

According to the Corporate Rethuglicans who OWN the state of North Carolina (YES, Art Pope - I'm talking about YOU!!), that machine was working PERFECTLY!

[Ecumenist]

121. Damn shame, ain't it?

[msongs]

3. based on its behavior, the democratic party is not concerned about this sort of thing and hasnt been

for at least 20 years

[Laelth]

4. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

[blkmusclmachine]

5. #14 on the list of Characteristics of Fascist Governments: Election Fraud

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.


See more at http://rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

[Bobbie Jo]

9. Rense?

Seriously?

[lobodons]

39. O.K. How about DU

Don't like rense? How about DU?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2308338

[Jamastiene]

54. In this case, does the source really matter?

We know fascist governments rig elections. You don't honestly think McCrory and his band of thugs are on the up and up in how they are running NC, do you? I wouldn't put anything past the Republicans after seeing how they have been running this state into the ground.

[YOHABLO]

8. How can Dems ''fix it'' when Republican leaning companies like Diebold are the one's rigging it.

Right now the best that Dems can do is get as many people out there to vote as we can. If we could control the house and senate we could possibly do something about this crime. And we all know it's happening .. and not just in North Carolina. Paper ballots would be a much better voting method.

[Demit]

13. Just fyi, Diebold sold its election systems subsidiary to ES&S in 2009.

From wikipedia: "Diebold sold its U.S. election systems business, primarily consisting of its Allen, Texas-based subsidiary, Premier Election Solutions, Inc., to Election Systems & Software, Inc. (ES&S), a leading company in the election systems industry. The sale was consummated on September 2, 2009. Diebold is no longer involved with any election systems in the United States."

[csziggy]

28. So is ES&S any better?

ES&S is a subsidiary of McCarthy Group, LLC. In 2014, ES&S was the largest manufacturer of voting machines in the United States, claiming customers in 4,500 localities in 42 states and two U.S. territories. As of 2014, the company had more than 450 employees, more than 200 of whom are located in Omaha.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Systems_%26_Software

Michael R. McCarthy (“Mike”) was born August 27, 1951 in Hancock, Iowa. He is the co-founder and chairman of the McCarthy Group, LLC and of McCarthy Capital Corporation,[1] an investment firm based in Omaha, NE, which manages nearly $500 million USD in assets.[citation needed]
About

McCarthy graduated from College of Saint Benedict/Saint John's University in Collegeville, Minnesota. In 1986 he co-founded McCarthy Group, LLC, with Rich Jarvis. He is responsible for the management of McCarthy Group and chairman of the underwriting committee. McCarthy is on the board of directors of Cabela's, Election Systems & Software, Inc., Peter Kiewit Sons', Inc., and Union Pacific Corporation. McCarthy was a director of HDR, Inc. and Streck.

McCarthy also serves on the board of directors for several nonprofit community organizations. They include the Omaha Community Foundation, Heritage Services, Inc., Joslyn Art Museum, and Creighton University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_McCarthy_%28businessman%29

Michael R. McCarthy

Born: 27-Aug-1951
Birthplace: Hancock, IA

Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: White
Occupation: Business
Party Affiliation: Republican [1]

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: The McCarthy Group

[1] Former Campaign Treasurer, US Senator Chuck Hagel.
http://www.nndb.com/people/320/000172801/

I'm not sure this is an improvement over Diebold.

[ChiciB1]

38. We Had The Machines Here In FL, May Still Have Them

Not sure, I vote absentee because of them. I heard the same kind of problems before. Just don't know right now.

THIS IS SO WRONG! How can it be managed so close to 4th?? I just can't understand WHY they keep trying to keep people from voting! Oh, I KNOW WHY, just why it's not checked BEFORE elections!

[Demit]

42. Good grief. I was merely updating you on information.

Not making an editorial statement.

[csziggy]

44. Nothing implied about you - just providing information

About the new owners of the main company supplying voting machines.

[world wide wally]

11. We'll yell and scream and whine and moan about this bullshit like we always do,

and when this election is over, nothing will be done about it again, because Republicans run the states where this shit happens.

This country was lost a long time ago

[jamesatemple]

12. The one thing that occurs to me is...

that the machine recorded three votes for the R and one for the D. Oh, sure, it could not of happened that way because of the checks and balances inherent in the mach...? Hmmm!

[nenagh]

34. Exactly...

Hmmm indeed...

[LiberalElite]

15. I suggest -

tell the folks at Election Protection. http://www.866ourvote.org/
1-866-OURVOTE
This is a link to a contact form:

http://signup.lawyerscommittee.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=4570

[99th_Monkey]

20. THIS SHOULD BE NO SUPRISE TO ANYONE WHO CAN STILL FOG A MIRROR

Please allow me to shamelessly promote my related OP here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025748099

This OP addresses this very issue, only not just for one state,
because this is a FEDERAL issue, not a State issue.

Wake up and smell the black box Dems!!
... the GOP election fraudsters have been rigging elections
in scores of ways for over a decade in broad daylight.

THIS is what is turning people AWAY from the Dem Big Tent,
and may end up costing us the US Senate.

[7962]

22. And in Illinois & Maryland, they're flipping Republican to Democrat. Ridiculous.

Who the heck is in charge of calibrating these damn things? And shouldnt they be tested before they're USED?

[lindysalsagal]

23. Get out your cell phone and video it ALL. That's called evidence.

If voters would start sending it to the local news they'd get sent to jail and maybe this crap would stop.

[INdemo]

24. This is probably all across the 50 states and why the

media and Republicans are so confident they will win control of the Senate..This is Fascism.Naybe we should have the UN monitor our elections from now on


I VOTED

[greytdemocrat]

25. Sorry

I don't believe these reports anymore.

They are reported every cycle. I've already heard this
reported for BOTH sides in multiple states included mine
here in Florida.

I tend to think it's just people who can't follow simple
instructions, have fat fingers, or people who just want to
try and get 5 minutes of fame...

[nc4bo]

29. That's not what the election worker said. It's been verified.

And, take into effect that the GOP has trashed straight ticket voting because they felt it was so much more convenient to have to mark off each and every candidate.

So many more votes to double and triple check, you know, just in case they flip to the opposition.

[greytdemocrat]

43. And once again

I've seen and heard the "verified" before on both sides.

And I don't like straight ticket voting. It makes me feel like the
powers that be think we're too stupid to make multiple choices and
what if you don't want straight ticket?? I'm not a party robot, I can
handle a little extra reading.

[nc4bo]

45. Goodie for you but not everyone is in the same situation as you.

And the change was not intended to help anyone in fact, it was made to make voting a bit more time consuming and perhaps difficult for some.

[greytdemocrat]

46. No offense

But, if you can't handle reading a few choices, I'm not sure
you should be voting.

Are you saying people are too stupid to read and need "help"
that borders on moronic???

[nc4bo]

47. You don't sound like a typical Democrat greytdemocrat.

You sound like a neocon

Not everyone has the same education level - I know, it's surprising perhaps to you.

Some people can barely read a soup can and I don't mean illegal immigrants.

Democrats typically want everyone included in the election process and try to make it as easy a process as it can.

At least I thought so.

[greytdemocrat]

52. What I am

Is a person who wants everyone who should
be voting to vote. I don't care who you are.

Voting does require a modicum of intelligence
and I don't like it when anyone, regardless of party,
assumes I (or anyone else) is too stupid and needs
a moronic amount of help, like I said above. If you
want to vote in this country, it is your responsibility
to make sure you know what you're doing.

[Jamastiene]

58. When someone does know what they are doing and they press the button they want,

and it registers wrong on the machine, that does not make them stupid. This was not an error on the voter's part. This has nothing to do with intelligence, but with a machine registering the vote opposite what the person knew they wanted.

[Jamastiene]

57. With NC's straight ticket voting, you had to

purposely vote straight ticket. It was only an option. You did not have to vote straight ticket. If you did not want to vote straight ticket, you could just go through and mark each individual candidate. There was no forcing anyone to use straight ticket voting. It was just more convenient for people who only want to vote for one party or the other.

[7962]

48. If a touch screen isnt calibrated properly, your touch will register elsewhere.

[RobertEarl]

83. Nice excuse, 7062

I see you have a lot of excuses for badly configured voting machines.

We don't need more excuses, we need better vote counting.

[7962]

95. A "lot"? ONE. I just know that some machines i work on have that problem

If it was some big conspiracy, then why would machines elsewhere be changing Republican votes to Democrat?

[RobertEarl]

96. Link or slink

Having followed this issue for 10 years now, the facts as to the machines switching votes from R to D show that happening once in a hundred.

My question to you, 7962, is very simple and requires only a yes or no answer.

Do you think the republicans would conspire to steal elections? Yes, or no.

[7962]

102. I think BOTH would if they thought they could get away with it. Here's your "links"

How many would you like?
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/10/23/calibration-error-switches-gop-vote-to-dems/
http://wqad.com/2014/10/30/republicans-and-county-clerk-spar-over-electronic-voting-machines/
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-voting-machines-20141028-story.html

[RobertEarl]

104. You think Democrats would?

Who do you think owns the voting machines?

And who was it that stole the 2000 election and then found the nearly $4 billion for new voting machines for the whole country? And made sure 2004 re-elected Bush?

As for your links, I could bury you with links the other way x 100. I do find it curious; your position on this matter. I will take it as you are new to the situation, and allow you some benefit of the doubt.

[7962]

110. Diebold no longer owns the voting machines

You can "bury me" if you like, the point was that its happened both ways. And obviously its happening NOW. You've never seen a corrupt Democrat? If you havent then its because you just dont want to see them. There's been stories on them right here. I've been around here for a few years longer than I've been a member, so I'm well aware of GOP tricks. I'm just not blind to the fact that all Democrats are not pure as the virgin snow, either.
The SCOTUS was responsible for 2000. They didnt use electronic voting in Fl either. Remember the chads?

[RobertEarl]

113. They proved they would steal elections in 2000

Why would anyone dismiss that theft, or try explain it away? It happened and we saw which party was behind it.

ES&S now owns something like 80% of the election machines in the US. ES&S is owned, privately, by republicans. Thousands of cases of their machines miscounting votes is evident.

If democrats owned the machines you might have a case.

I don't get you. Are you attempting to make the case that there is no chance of the machines being coded to steal votes? I certainly am holding to the idea that they can, they are, have been, and will be used to steal votes. The evidence is quite large for that position.

[7962]

119. Sure there's a chance. But I'm saying if it were rigged, it wouldnt show

if you knew how to rig a machine to flip a vote, why the hell would you let it show the flip to the voter? It makes absolutely no sense. And they had PLENTY of time to test the fraud if they were doing it. But there are republican votes in this election being flipped to democrat votes. The total of both looks to be about the same, so if it was tampering it was a waste of time.

[LanternWaste]

60. No doubt electrical appliances never malfunction and user error is always the culprit.

No doubt electrical appliances never malfunction and user error is always the culprit.

It's easier that way...

[Enthusiast]

26. Republicans have zero sense of ethics.

[jaysunb]

27. This.....

Just before the 2004 elections, California officials found that unapproved software had been installed in the state’s Diebold voting machines. Civil and criminal charges were filed, resulting in $2.6 million in fines. The company’s machines were banned by the state of California. Oddly enough, California is one of few states in the US where republicans routinely lose most elections.

Yup !

[DallasNE]

30. Operator Error, Most Likely

Meaning it is a training issue.

I was recently on a right wing web site where they claimed Republican votes were being recorded for the Democrat and they had it on video. The Democrat was listed above the Republican in this example. The person had their finger bowed so that the finger nail would be what struck the screen. In this case the nail did not strike inside the box for the Democrat but it struck just above the line separating the two candidates names so the nail struck closer to the Democrat box than the Republican box so it recorded for the Democrat. I thought from the strike it should not have registered for either candidate but it instead registered for the closest candidate, which was the Democrat. Indeed, the first time I saw it I thought since no part of the finger was inside the box for the Democrat it was improper then when I saw the angle of the strike I tried it on my computer screen and sure enough the nail is what touched the screen rather than the tip of the finger as you might think.

Had this person not curved his finger to where the nail struck first it likely would have registered for the Republican -- hence why I called it an operator error where the fix is training on proper procedures for casting a vote using touch screens.

Not saying that is the case here but it is a possibility, especially since it finally did record the vote properly.

[Orsino]

61. And thanks to the goddamned machines, we'll never know for sure.

Get rid of the machines.

[Cha]

31. Wow, Good for Percy Bostick at least.. checking to see where his vote went! It pays! TY, nc4bo

[nc4bo]

36. We need the heads-up to at least double check! Republican Gov., Republican legislature....

Mr. Duke Energy/Koch Brothers has already proven he can't be trusted.

I put nothing past these creeps.

They've cut down our early voting days.
They've eliminated straight ticket voting.
They've passed Voter ID laws to take effect just in time for the 2016 election.
Purges.
Fake election mailers.

In a close race like what they are predicting between Hagan and Tillis, it wouldn't take much to influence an election.

Everyone who's using these machines needs to check, double and triple check and don't be afraid to bring it to an election workers' attention when something isn't right.

I'm glad there are people looking out for us by telling their experiences.

[Cha]

40. I put Nothing past them, either.. they have no limits to their depravity.. a speck of good news,

though.. for North Carolina..

David Corn ✔ @DavidCornDC
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8:55 AM - 31 Oct 2014


Republicans tried to suppress the black vote in North Carolina. It's...
By Erika Eichelberger @eichelberger_e
Thousands more African-Americans have already turned out to vote this year than in 2010. Here's how Democrats are doing it.
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http://theobamadiary.com/2014/11/01/a-tweet-or-two-159/

[brooklynite]

33. 14 votes?

Is it a problem? Yes.

Is it a vote-rigging conspiracy? No.

It's a calibration problem with machines, and should be dealt with, but not obsessed over.

If the Republicans were smart enough to rig voting machines, they'd be smart enough to hide the fact.

[7962]

50. I agree with you. Theres not a boogeyman everywhere, all the time.

[tiptonic]

35. Florida 2000 again

Get ready, its coming people. Too late to stop it now.

[brooklynite]

51. That's why Obama and Hagan lost in 2008, right?

[lobodons]

41. You ever wonder why Rove

You ever know why Rove was so convinced Romney was going to win Ohio? I believe he knew the fix was in BUT Obama was just able to win by a margin outside the fix.

[kentuck]

49. Programmed to only count every fourth vote...?

...but just in some precincts..

Seems like we've seen this movie before?

[Jamastiene]

53. I'm so glad we have paper ballots in my county.

That doesn't help for all those people who have to deal with machines that are trying to rig it for the Republicans. Was it a malfunction or are the machines purposely rigged? Do I really need to ask? I know what Republicans are like. The machines are probably rigged. Either way, it makes me wonder about the validity of this election already. Were those first votes that went for Tillis counted for Tillis or do election workers have a way to make those first 3 votes null? If not, he ended up voting for the Republican three times and Hagan only once? That doesn't sound right at all.

[ZombieHorde]

55. K&R&NT

[davidpdx]

56. Fuck another wacko is going to get elected by cheating

[libtodeath]

59. This bullshit needs investigations and arrests

[Orrex]

62. When they do this, why would they make the "flip" visible?

Why in the world would they foreground their fraud, rather than making the flip happen secretly, within the machine's internal tally?

[RobertEarl]

69. Why visible?

Because there is a paper record. When there was no paper record, the machines could count the votes any way the machines were programmed.

The requirement for a paper record was fought but the voting activists won the battle in NC making every machine produce a paper record.

Now when a machine flips a vote it is visible. And the machines are being caught flipping votes.

It is quite evident now that the machines flip votes. There should not be one Democrat alive who makes excuses for the machines.

[Orrex]

70. I think you misunderstand my intent

I'm not excusing the machines--far from it! I'd prefer hand-filled ballots or lever-driven machines with a printed receipt in each case. In the current environment, fraud seems ridiculously easy and all but guaranteed to occur.

What I don't understand, though, is why the fraudsters would flash their fraud on the screen, rather than doing it invisibly. They could let the screen show the voter's real vote while recording the opposite. For all I know, this will happen in my polling place tomorrow--I sure as hell don't get a receipt to confirm anything.

100% transparency is in order at the very least, so that the programming can be subjected to independent review.

[RobertEarl]

72. Intent?

You asked: "...why the fraudsters would flash their fraud on the screen, rather than doing it invisibly. "

And I answered because there is now a paper record. Before there was a paper record it happened just as you say: invisible. Now it is visible.

Just because there is now a paper record does not mean the fraudsters will stop frauding. Nothing will happen with these machines, they will be used next election, because the Dems will allow them to be used.

[Orrex]

73. That doesn't answer my initial question

If they're committing fraud, why do it in a way that broadcasts the fact that it's happening? That would like calling you from your living room to tell you that I've broken into your house.

I don't know why they're committing fraud in so visible a way.

How is there a paper record, by the way? There have been no paper receipts at any of the last dozen elections in which I've participated.

[RobertEarl]

74. No paper records of your votes, Orrex?

And you are just now wondering about all this fraud?

This is exactly how they get away with the fraud... people like you wondering, wondering, wondering, and not doing one thing to stop it. Take a bow, you wonderer you, they love you who wonder, wonder, wonder and fail to act to preserve your own vote.

You even expose yourself by wondering, and I quote: "If they're committing fraud" WTF is this "If"? Where have you been? There have been thousands of posts on DU detailing the fraud and you actually have the gall to say "If they're committing fraud"?

Yeah, what is your intent, Orrex?

[Orrex]

75. By default, you have a weirdly antagonistic manner.

No paper records of your votes? And you are just now wondering about all this fraud?

It's been an issue for me for as long as it has been the case. I'm sorry that I didn't bring it to your attention 12 elections ago--I really should have contacted you sooner.

You even expose yourself by wondering, and I quote: "If they're committing fraud" WTF is this "If"? Where have you been? There have been thousands of posts on DU detailing the fraud and you actually have the gall to say "If they're committing fraud"?

Seriously? That's the best you can come up with? I've stated outright--several times--that I'm confident that they're committing fraud. "If" in this context is a logical device on par with "considering" or "given."


Go melt some starfish, you rambling kook.

[RobertEarl]

76. There ya go again

Your attacks on me for a clean environment, a true vote count and whatever else, expose you as someone who is not to be trusted.

You have exposed yourself with your own words, and now you dance the dance, but end up only exposing your true self to the world.

And then you end up spewing out a personal libel attack calling me a kook. Yep, exposed yourself real good this time.

[Orrex]

77. And you seem obsessed with the idea of me exposing myself.

Exactly what kind of kookiness are you after?


Can you get wifi under that bridge?

[RobertEarl]

79. I take vote theft very seriously

And the damages to the environment very seriously.

And you call it kookiness?

You are just embarrassing yourself and DU now. You should delete your posts, apologize to DU, and take a walk.

[Orrex]

81. You take yourself very seriously.

And you've repeatedly demonstrated your flat-out ignorance about the environment in general and radiation in particular.

Nowhere have I called vote theft "kookiness." Instead, I called you a kook and will likely do so again. The fact that you can't distinguish the subject from yourself speaks volumes about your kookiness, in fact.



Incidentally, I also implied that you're a troll--you should probably fulminate about that, too.

[RobertEarl]

82. Keep digging

I love to see you expose yourself and your intent of ignoring issues and attacking individuals who are doing the hard work of stopping the machines destroying the world and our democracy.

You wonder "if" they are committing fraud, and deny the science that radiation is deadly. Keep digging.

[Orrex]

84. Kooky

I love to see you expose yourself.

You might be on the wrong kind of discussion forum.

your intent of ignoring issues and attacking individuals who are doing the hard work of stopping the machines destroying the world and our democracy.

More specifically, I mock those kooks who think that they've pierced the veil and glimpsed A Grand Truth that the rest of us are too blind to see.

You wonder "if" they are committing fraud,

That's a lie.

and deny the science that radiation is deadly.

Another lie. And you accuse me of libel? Kooky!

Nowhere have I denied that certain forms of radiation are deadly. I've simply observed--along with many others--that your kooky, hair-on-fire starfish panic is poorly supported by science.

[RobertEarl]

88. No you haven't

It is just your imagination run wild.

Right here you have wondered "If they're committing fraud" and admit that your own votes have not been recorded on paper. Paper, we voting theft activists have long considered as the primary means of a proper vote count. But your own votes, by your admission, have no proper accounting. So when I bring that up, using your own words as proof that you do not have a clue about the theft, you end up making personal attacks.

The we see you going off topic with your personal attacks in an attempt to hide the fact your are ignorant about the voting machines and "If they're committing fraud".

Keep digging.

[Orrex]

89. Have to.

[zappaman]

86. Will you be suing him like you are going to sue me???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5701859

[R.Quinn]

63. We will NEVER have fair elections

until we completely rid ourselves of the scourge that is electronic voting machines. The opportunity they provide to cheat and manipulate the vote is dumbfounding. They must be banned.

Ireland, Netherlands, and others have already wised up to this. It's a no-brainer. The cost and time savings are NOT worth the integrity of the vote!

[JEB]

64. Pen on paper is the best technology.

Hand count with observers is the best method of counting. Unless you are wanting to cheat.

[turbinetree]

65. Germany

The justices of Germany said that the German people will not be able to use electronic voting machines in the country and the citizens must use a paper ballot to vote, why not in this country?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

67. I wonder if it still recorded 3 votes for Tillis.

[B Calm]

68. That's my thought too. . .

[Major Nikon]

71. This doesn't happen in America! Maybe Ohio, but not America!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

78. Interesting that rethugs want recourse for 1/10,000,000 voter fraud attempts but...

...14/1,000,000 vote flips (so far) by machines and not a whisper about it.

[RobertEarl]

80. It is by design

""Look over there"" ... is a well known con's trick.

Sadly, most of the voters have been conned.

We even have one on this thread asking..."If they're committing fraud.."

They have always been committing fraud. It is their MO - Method of Operation.

[Orrex]

85. I apologize for RobertEarl's kookiness

He doesn't understand what "if" means when used as a logical construction, as in If A then B. He seems to think that it can only be synonymous with the more colloquial what if?

This has led him to wail and gnash his teeth in a positively kooky display of failed comprehension, making flatly untrue statements while accusing others of libel.

I accept some of the responsibility for his kookiness in this thread, since I should have anticipated it when he first replied.

[zappaman]

87. That's ok.

We're used to it!

[RobertEarl]

90. Keep digging Orrex

Your personal attacks are just making DU stink.

Your own admission that you have allowed your own votes to not be recorded on paper just shows you don't understand the subject.

[Orrex]

91. How would I have them recorded on paper? How EXACTLY?

My polling place doesn't offer paper ballots or paper receipts, and an absentee ballot is absolutely no guarantee that my vote will be recorded as cast.

And my personal attacks only seem to make DU stink in the threads where you appear. That's kooky.

[RobertEarl]

92. Do like I did in 2004

Demanded that my next vote be on a paper ballot.

It came to be, because we activists in NC made it happen.

We did not settle for allowing our votes to be cast into a black box. We did not wonder "If they're committing fraud" we knew they were and we acted to put an end to that fraud.

[Orrex]

93. How do you know your vote was recorded as cast?

Fraud pre-dates electronic voting. It's a simple matter to "lose" a paper ballot, as Republicans have shown repeatedly.

[RobertEarl]

94. I don't, really

But I have a much better chance than those who have no paper.

At least I don't ask stupid questions like: "If they're committing fraud"

But then, as you have shown here, by me claiming they have been committing fraud, I get labeled a kook and a troll by the likes of you.

Good job, Orrex. Keep digging.

[Orrex]

97. You need to get over that "if" thing, because you look like a kook.

I don't, really, but I have a much better chance than those who have no paper.

That's adorable. If you believe that, you're living in a kook's paradise.

At least I don't ask stupid questions like: "If they're committing fraud"

No, you ask other stupid questions. And, anyway, you don't understand what "if" means, even when it's spelled out for you. Kooky.

[RobertEarl]

99. All you have to say is:

Like me and the people who have been following this situation for years claim:

"Yes, they have been committing fraud and theft."

Can you type that out? Can you honestly claim that they are stealing votes?

[Orrex]

100. From reply #70

In the current environment, fraud seems ridiculously easy and all but guaranteed to occur.

[RobertEarl]

103. I knew you couldn't

You can't come right out and declare the republicans are stealing votes.

You can call me all kinds of names, but you can't call the republicans crooks?

[Orrex]

106. From reply # 70

In the current environment, fraud seems ridiculously easy and all but guaranteed to occur.

Seems like a pretty solid declaration of my view that fraud is taking place.

Despite your kookiness, you have no particular authority to make people issue statements as you demand, especially when you can't manage to read what I've written.

[RobertEarl]

108. Eh?

You can't declare outright and with no ambiguity that you think votes are stolen?

Why is that? Why can't you call out the republicans for their theft? This wishy washy statement of yours mean very little. Coupled with your personal attacks tho, it makes things pretty clear where you stand.

[Orrex]

111. From reply # 70

In the current environment, fraud seems ridiculously easy and all but guaranteed to occur.

[zappaman]

112. Seems pretty succinct to me!

But, then again, I'm not kooky!

[RedCappedBandit]

98. Paper ballots should be mandated by federal law.

Why the fuck do we need voting machines anyway?

[True Blue Door]

101. Now the GOP officials will throw out the Dem votes as "duplicates."

[Initech]

105. Republicans are screaming bloody murder about voter fraud and election tampering...

And they're the ones guilty of committing it!!! Why aren't we arresting and prosecuting them?

[trueblue2007]

107. ES&S iVotronic Touch-Screen Votes Reportedly Flipping in Pulaski County, Arkansas

ES&S iVotronic Touch-Screen Votes Reportedly Flipping in Pulaski County, Arkansas
Same voting systems fail year after year in the state; But officials have a terrible plan to deal with it...





http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10909

[YOHABLO]

114. Is it just me, or do you walk away from voting crossing your fingers?

I simply don't trust these computerized machines. Especially with no paper trail for verification. Why is a corporate entity in charge of our voting methods? Does that make sense. Are we that stupid?

[Hulk]

115. It seems to go both ways...

Not sure if it was on DU or CrooksandLiars, but a person who worked on this fiasco back in early 2000's claims it's more than likely not a "repuKKKe conspiracy", as it's working both ways; but rather a malfunction with the touch screens that needs "re-calibrating".

Don't shoot the messenger. I tend to accept was he said, as there were many from the site that remember him fighting the good fight several years back, and his expertise on the subject seemed to suggest that it is not all what we want to think it is, but just rather touch screens that need to be properly calibrated, and are not.

Wish I could remember where I read that today. Thought it was here, but thinking if not it was at CrooksandLiars.

The bottom line was not to waste energy screaming about flaws that are pissing off repuKKKes as well as Democrats, but GET OUT THE VOTE! If we can ever do away with touch screens, then so much the better as well.

[aquart]

116. Damn, those machines are reliable!

They work exactly as intended and I want every damned one in Chinese landfill.

[sammy750]

118. Voters wake up to the biggest Fraud GOP

The GOP is the biggest voter fraud and they even suppress millions from voting. AG Holder should investigate the criminal GOP and toss them in prison for voter fraud.

[roamer65]

120. This is how they "win" elections...electoral fraud.