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babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 08:47 PM Nov 2014

GOP reconsiders its hatred of the ‘nuclear option,’ right on cue

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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-reconsiders-its-hatred-the-nuclear-option-right-cue


GOP reconsiders its hatred of the ‘nuclear option,’ right on cue
11/07/14 10:16 AM—Updated 11/07/14 10:50 AM
By Steve Benen


Last year, the Senate Republican minority abuses reached untenable levels never before seen in American history. GOP senators began blocking judicial nominees – even nominees they supported – as part of a truly ridiculous partisan tantrum with no precedent in the American tradition.

Left with no choice, Senate Democrats restored majority rule on most confirmation votes. Through the “nuclear option,” the Senate would consider judicial nominees, hold a vote, and confirm the jurists who earned the support of a Senate majority.

Republicans, some of whom had already gone back on their promise to never filibuster a judicial nominee, were apoplectic. Democrats had “broken the Senate,” the GOP said. Dems had created a “constitutional crisis,” leaving the chamber no better than the lowly House. It was time for a Republican majority, the GOP said, to bring back some sanity to the way in which the institution operates.

And then, all of a sudden finding themselves in the majority, Senate Republicans came up with a new argument: Never mind.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), for example, co-wrote a Wall Street Journal op-ed yesterday, saying the new Republican majority should keep the nuclear option in place … because Democrats are bad. Or something.

It will fall to the next Republican president to counteract President Obama’s aggressive efforts to stack the federal courts in favor of his party’s ideological agenda. But achieving such balance would be made all the more difficult – if not impossible – if Republicans choose to reinstate the previous filibuster rule now that the damage to the nation’s judiciary has already been done.

To restore the rule now, after Mr. Obama has installed his controversial judges, would cement a partisan double standard: When Democrats control the White House and Senate, judicial nominations need only 50 votes; but when Republicans control both, judicial nominations require 60 votes, allowing Democratic minorities to block Republican nominations.

Ah, I see. When Bush/Cheney put far-right ideologues on the federal bench, Republicans are just acting responsibly. When Obama appoints more progressive jurists to the courts, he’s “stacking the federal courts in favor of his party’s ideological agenda.” When Democrats consider judicial nominees through majority rule, it’s a constitutional crisis. If Republicans keep this outrageous and abusive rule in place, it’s fine.

{Update: As recently as two months ago, Hatch made the polar-opposite argument. “We should get it back to where it was,” Hatch told Politico in September. “You can see the destruction that has happened around here.”}

Hatch isn’t the only one.

Ben Kamisar reported on Wednesday:

Conservatives are pressuring Senate Republicans to keep in place the controversial “nuclear option” rules that Democrats approved last year to limit filibusters of President Obama’s nominees.

A group of 26 conservative academics, advocates and leaders wrote in a letter that they see “very little upside” to restoring the old rules, which had allowed the minority party to require 60 votes to confirm nominees.


None of this should surprise anyone. Both parties play a little fast and loose when it comes to the powers of the majority, based entirely on whether they’re in the majority at the time. Indeed, Republicans generally hope we forget the pesky details, but they’re the ones who came up with the “nuclear option” idea in the first place – midway through the Bush/Cheney era, when Democrats blocked votes on far-right nominees and Republicans were swearing up and down that blocking votes on judges tore at the fabric of our constitutional system of government.

Then control of the Senate shifted and the parties switched sides. Now Senate control is shifting back and they’re getting ready to switch back.

It’s a tiresome game, to be sure, but Republicans ought to feel some embarrassment about this display of political whiplash. They really have spent a year whining incessantly that majority rule on confirmation votes is an abuse that simply cannot be tolerated, two centuries of American governing notwithstanding,.

And now we’re just starting to hear their new position: “Who, us? We said what, now?”
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GOP reconsiders its hatred of the ‘nuclear option,’ right on cue (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 2014 OP
Pretty ridiculous to expect the opposing party to undo the 'nuclear option' DesMoinesDem Nov 2014 #1
Bet money Hatch pushes the Nuke option. Wellstone ruled Nov 2014 #2
There's gambling in the casino? Gasp! nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #3
K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #4
Hypocrites as always. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #5
We warned it was not a good idea yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #9
Supremes are already in it. AngryAmish Nov 2014 #25
No moreso than those on the Left bemoaning that they won't reinstate said filibuster. WillowTree Nov 2014 #24
They certainly are hypocrites, but I hope the nuclear option stays in place bluestateguy Nov 2014 #6
The Merkley rules will look pretty damn good in 2016 if Dems retake the Senate... cascadiance Nov 2014 #7
Yup~ sheshe2 Nov 2014 #8
yup rtracey Nov 2014 #10
In other late breaking news, water is wet. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #11
It's funny because Dems seem to switch sides hughee99 Nov 2014 #12
We better do our best to make sure Hillary wins. Calista241 Nov 2014 #13
Exactly what they always do.. Volaris Nov 2014 #16
-_- Vots Nov 2014 #14
Can't say I expected anything different from these assholes. n/t GoCubsGo Nov 2014 #15
I'll say it again Rex Nov 2014 #17
How silly. The DEmocrats will never filibuster. That might make the Republicans mad. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author MFrohike Nov 2014 #19
They'd be idiots to scrap it. nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #20
They ARE idiots Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #23
Some (but not all) of us urged caution on the nuclear option for this exact reason. Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #21
That was throughly predictable Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #22
Of coooouuuuuurse! grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #26
That's why it was stupid for Reid to implement this rule change to begin with. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #27
That's the way they play politics. kentuck Nov 2014 #28
Deep down, they know they are likely toast in two years. ThoughtCriminal Nov 2014 #29
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. Bet money Hatch pushes the Nuke option.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 08:56 PM
Nov 2014

Count on it,with his pal Lee this is a money slam dunk. We ain't seen anything yet. The Rethugs are counting on a very divisive Congress. Easy to run against the Hillary that way. Divide and conquer.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
9. We warned it was not a good idea
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 09:47 PM
Nov 2014

But Senator Reid thought it was. So shortsighted. We are screwed. Lets hope the don't add supremes and legislation to it. Horrid decision that accounted for how many judges?

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
7. The Merkley rules will look pretty damn good in 2016 if Dems retake the Senate...
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 09:13 PM
Nov 2014

... if the Republicans go through with just throwing out the filibuster altogether.

To the public, Merkley's rules will look like more of a compromise than what the Republican's rules will be then, and it will expose the Republicans as being bums that only work for billionaires too all at the same time.

If they have time to debate and provide counter arguments to votes even without a means to block a majority vote, it will still likely be better than not having the time at all, that Democrats probably won't get with the rules Republicans will put in place in 2015.

And then what will they do with those rules that the public will feel like a nice gesture to them. Will they try to make a case on why their way of voting on bills is better for the public than a Democratic majority then? HAH! Lot's of luck with that when you mostly vote in ways to benefit the Koched brothers! They will be exposed even when they are given more with those rules than they will have given us the next two years. Democrats will kick their butts after that.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
10. yup
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:00 PM
Nov 2014

Yup, I can see 2 years of this....I am NOT going to forgive the lazy fucks who sat out this election, and the shitty fucking candidates who basically hung out our president to dry....

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
13. We better do our best to make sure Hillary wins.
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 10:24 PM
Nov 2014

If she doesn't, a winning Republican candidate is likely to have the coattails to at least maintain a majority in the Senate, and the Repubs would certainly maintain control of the house.

Reid has already changed the rules to do what he wanted to do, and there's nothing to stop the Republicans from changing the rules as they see fit. Can you imagine what the Repubs would do with control of both houses, and Dems unable to stop anything?

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
16. Exactly what they always do..
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:45 PM
Nov 2014

run the thing so totally INCOMPETENTLY and so obviously on behalf of the 1% that they'll be back in the Minority again in 2 years.

The problem with hating useful government is that you don't know how to run one effectively.

Vots

(24 posts)
14. -_-
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:11 PM
Nov 2014

This is a double edged sword for Dems in my opinion. They could keep it for their benefit. They could also reverse the rules and spin it to get political points. "Look at us, we're going to take the high road on this issue."

Should have never been done in the first place. Filibustering judges only hurt the Repubs.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
17. I'll say it again
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 11:52 PM
Nov 2014

and I stress - again - the GOP is batshit crazy determined to get us all killed, it plays to their bases fantasies about commies and fallout shelters. We talk about their base fucking their own best self interests over and over, guess what the leaders will too and not just their base and us...every living critter on the planet.

Oh yeah, money...always about money. Watch the mushroom clouds while bathing in a swimming pool of $100s.

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Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
22. That was throughly predictable
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 04:38 AM
Nov 2014

I wish people would understand this: They have no shame. The very second Republicans are in the majority, they're going to end the filibuster entirely. As soon as they're back in the minority, they'll start arguing for it again. There are no limits to how low they will go. If they could figure out a way that voting Democratic made poison gas fill the voting booth, they would do it in a heartbeat and twice of Sundays. They will do and say anything (and I mean that word as an absolute) which advantages their side even slightly.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
29. Deep down, they know they are likely toast in two years.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 03:49 PM
Nov 2014

they have to look at the consequences of being a minority again. If they take away the filibuster now, they are not going to get it back.

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