a question about liberal voting

[DonCoquixote]

To lay my card down, I support Warren, and frankly do not like Hillary Clinton. I hate the DLC, third way/whatever diguise they say.

However,I have a question that all those who are liberal need to answer.

Suppose we ditch Clinton, and run aliberal, and that liberal loses. What do we do to counteract the argument that will be made "SEE, liberal lose, the country hates you, you need ta move to da right!"

[still_one]

1. It has happened already. George McGovern lost. And Dukakis lost. They were both liberal. The

Others in between were mostly moderate, and some lost and some won. The president who passed the most progressive agenda since FDR was Johnson, and he was not considered a liberal on many issues

I assume you mean a liberal like Bernie wins the nomination but loses the general election.

I think the argument to counter or not counter is irrelevant. Whether a liberal can win depends on the sentiment of the country at the time.

The problem we have right now is the libural media, and The lack of critical thinkers

[Rye Bread Pizza]

2. counter question

Why would you need to argue your position? These are the principles you stand for.

[DonCoquixote]

6. because if what I do HELPS the GOP

get into power, than I attack those principles, because the people I help get into office will attack them far harder and more effectively than I could, just a W. did.

By the way, a coutner question does not mean you do not answer the first, so, do you have an answer?

[Rye Bread Pizza]

12. Not really...

I kinda asked the counter question because I couldn't answer yours... Sorry.

[RobertEarl]

3. Obama was a communist

He won.

The presidency is a popularity contest and is also driven on the issues.

Obama ran against Bush. What will our next candidate run against? Probably the utter mess the republican senate will create.

In 2010, the pubs ran against ACA and Pelosi and won big. This year they ran against Obama. That's the crux of the voting.

For the next two years we have to take back the party leadership, from local to the top, and we need to be the media which tells people why they should not vote for any republican, ever again. We could then run a yellow dog and win, as long as dog's got persona.

[yurbud]

4. If a DLCer runs and wins, we will spend the next 4-8 enduring Republican policies and being told to

shut up because it's a Democrat inflicting them on us.

[Barack_America]

5. They'd say it anyway. If Clinton runs and loses...

...they'll proclaim it as an excuse to run even further to the right. The DLC has only one solution to any problem, tack further to the right. Not for good of party or country, but for their own good and the good of their corporate backers. That is precisely why they must go.

[DonCoquixote]

7. no one answered the question, so let me re ask it

2016, we manage to get a solid liberal, a Bernie, a Liz Warren,a Jerry brown, an Al Franken, or someone who embodies their mind. We lose, what will we do to coutner the meme that will be cranked at full volume that liberals always lose?

Peple can hide th3eir hand in the sand and say "I voted for principle!", and do you know what that means to the people who can get attacked because we let the GOP dog in the house, NOTHING. It will not feed one child, nor bring one solider home from the cemetery. To reduce responsibilty quoting "principle" while ignoring the suffering your actions cause is the very negation of principle, because it says you are willing to lay so many people on the altar for your gratification.

[bigwillq]

8. I would rather run and liberal and lose.

I support standing up for what I believe in, win or lose.

[DonCoquixote]

9. but what would you do

To try and help the Liberal win?

In other words, it is not enough to say "I stood for what ui belive in" an election day, knowing the next fours years will be misery. If an election is not rubn to win, it is just an expensive party.

Now, lest you think I say this to defned the dlc, I do not. The DLC does not play to win, they merely pretend that to get money. I say we need to counter the eme that liberals lose, but that will not be done be saying "I voted for principle" every four years and going back to the salt mines.

[bigwillq]

11. Can you edit your post, please?

Not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

[whatchamacallit]

10. I have a life and identity apart from the Democratic Party

I am who I am, believe what I believe, act as I act... I won't be moving right, even if it means never winning another election.