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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 01:17 AM Nov 2014

Forget the 1%

It is the 0.01% who are really getting ahead in America

The Economist, Nov 8th 2014

EXCERPT...

A new paper by Mr Saez and Gabriel Zucman of the London School of Economics reckons past estimates badly underestimated the share of wealth belonging to the very rich. It uses a richer variety of sources than prior studies, including detailed data on personal income taxes (which the authors mine for figures on capital income) and property tax, which they check against Fed data on aggregate wealth. The authors note that not every potential source of error can be accounted for; tax avoidance strategies, for instance, could cause either an overestimation of the wealth share of the rich (if they classify labour income as capital income in order to take advantage of lower rates) or an underestimation (if they intentionally seek out lower yielding investments for their tax advantages). Yet they believe their estimates represent an improvement over past attempts.

The results are enough to make Mr Piketty blush. The authors examine the share of total wealth held by the bottom 90% of families relative to those at the very top. Because the bottom half of all families almost always has no net wealth, the share of wealth held by the bottom 90% is an effective measure of “middle class” wealth, or that held by those from the 50th to the 90th percentile. In the late 1920s the bottom 90% held just 16% of America’s wealth—considerably less than that held by the top 0.1%, which controlled a quarter of total wealth just before the crash of 1929. From the beginning of the Depression until the end of the second world war, the middle class’s share of total wealth rose steadily, thanks largely to collapsing wealth among richer households. Thereafter the middle class’s share grew along with national wealth thanks to broader equity ownership, middle-class income growth and rising rates of home-ownership. The expansion of tax breaks for retirement savings also helped. By the early 1980s the share of household wealth held by the middle class rose to 36%—roughly four times the share controlled by the top 0.1%.

From the early 1980s, however, these trends have reversed. The ratio of household wealth to national income has risen back toward the level of the 1920s, but the share in the hands of middle-class families has tumbled (see chart). Tepid growth in middle-class incomes is partly to blame; real incomes for the top 1% of families grew 3.4% a year from 1986-2012 while those for the bottom 90% grew 0.7%. But Messrs Saez and Zucman reckon the main cause of falling middle-class net worth is soaring debt. Rising home values did little to raise middle-class wealth since mortgage debt also soared. The recession battered home prices but left the debt untouched, further squeezing middle-class wealth.

The really, really rich get much, much richer

On the other side of the spectrum, the fortunes of the wealthy have grown, especially at the very top. The 16,000 families making up the richest 0.01%, with an average net worth of $371m, now control 11.2% of total wealth—back to the 1916 share, which is the highest on record. Those down the distribution have not done quite so well: the top 0.1% (consisting of 160,000 families worth $73m on average) hold 22% of America’s wealth, just shy of the 1929 peak—and exactly the same share as the bottom 90% of the population. Meanwhile the share of wealth held by families from the 90th to the 99th percentile has actually fallen over the last decade, though not by as much as the net worth of the bottom 90%.

CONTINUED..

http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21631129-it-001-who-are-really-getting-ahead-america-forget-1

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Forget the 1% (Original Post) Octafish Nov 2014 OP
The big fish eat the smaller fish. That's capitalism. Now we are starting to see the bigger fish rhett o rick Nov 2014 #1
''What would Goldman think?'' Octafish Nov 2014 #2
I got this right from the horses mouth. H. Clinton-Sachs will choose Goldman-Sachs as her running rhett o rick Nov 2014 #6
I am looking for the post that quoted Sen Sanders talking about the dangers of rhett o rick Nov 2014 #7
Bernie Sanders: “If I were to run for president, do you know how much money the Kochs would spend? Octafish Nov 2014 #10
Thank you so much. I didn't have it bookmarked. This is one of if not the most important rhett o rick Nov 2014 #12
"H. Clinton isn't afraid of the Powers To Be..." scarletwoman Nov 2014 #21
I am willing to give her brave. What I said was, being brave isn't why she isn't afraid of the PTB. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #22
Sorry, I was being sarcastic. scarletwoman Nov 2014 #24
Well I did a bad job of being sarcastic back. I got your post, but wasn't sure you got mine. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #26
LOL! scarletwoman Nov 2014 #27
One more thing that I need straightening out. If I were to look at your turning rhett o rick Nov 2014 #28
No. Only if you are the one who sets it in motion. scarletwoman Nov 2014 #30
You generally don't have to be very brave hifiguy Nov 2014 #44
If you walk with the biggest bully, you don't need to fear. If you challenge the bully, you'd rhett o rick Nov 2014 #45
Eventually there is only one fish left, and that fish then calls himself Emperor. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #17
It brings to mind this article from The Onion. smokey nj Nov 2014 #31
Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Nov 2014 #32
Damn skippy. HRC is a wholly owned subsidiary of Goldman. hifiguy Nov 2014 #42
No wonder they can set in motion wars, "lone nuts" & whatever else they need to protect that wealth villager Nov 2014 #3
It's why they hate Castro n Free Cuba. Octafish Nov 2014 #11
Recently...Water Cannons, Tear Gas Unleashed on 100,000 Anti-Austerity Marchers in Brussels adirondacker Nov 2014 #4
Iceland Jailed Banksters Octafish Nov 2014 #39
I remember in college, my political science teacher telling us he believed the U.S. was run... C Moon Nov 2014 #5
My American Government class was taught with a text that rhett o rick Nov 2014 #9
K&R. Overseas Nov 2014 #8
Thanks for this Octafish malaise Nov 2014 #13
That is who I am always talking about, the .01%. People here don't fully realize what we are talking Rex Nov 2014 #14
K&R Can we spell OLIGARCHY? woo me with science Nov 2014 #15
The Bourgeoisie. The Capitalist Class, the Owning Class. The Investor Class. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #16
Debs... L0oniX Nov 2014 #19
One of my political heroes. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #20
Nothing pisses me off more than to hear these people talk about how hard they worked SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #23
Behind every great fortune is a great crime. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #29
When people tell me they got rich through 'hard work,' I always ask them "Whose?" - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #41
This should be one of the most rec'd ops ever on DU. L0oniX Nov 2014 #18
argh, to me this is just going in the wrong direction hfojvt Nov 2014 #25
I think the narrower 0.1% ctaylors6 Nov 2014 #34
+1 woo me with science Nov 2014 #35
I forgot-- what were we talking about? johnnyreb Nov 2014 #33
The jaw-dropping inequality of wealth in the U.S., in charts Octafish Nov 2014 #38
I really wonder if that "business plot" from the 1930s actually succeeded. Initech Nov 2014 #36
Same group as the people who tried to overthrow FDR in 1933 had kids. Octafish Nov 2014 #37
K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. JEB Nov 2014 #40
K&R This is very important reading. hifiguy Nov 2014 #43
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
1. The big fish eat the smaller fish. That's capitalism. Now we are starting to see the bigger fish
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 01:23 AM
Nov 2014

eating the big fish. And soon we will see the biggest fish, eating the bigger fish.

H. Clinton-Sachs is in the pocket of the bigger fish. Goldman-Sachs invested in her and want their payback.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. ''What would Goldman think?''
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 01:43 AM
Nov 2014
Larry Summers: Goldman Sacked

By Greg Palast
Reader Supported News, September 16, 2013

Joseph Stiglitz couldn't believe his ears. Here they were in the White House, with President Bill Clinton asking the chiefs of the US Treasury for guidance on the life and death of America's economy, when the Deputy Secretary of the Treasury Larry Summers turns to his boss, Secretary Robert Rubin, and says, "What would Goldman think of that?"

Huh?

Then, at another meeting, Summers said it again: What would Goldman think?

A shocked Stiglitz, then Chairman of the President's Council of Economic Advisors, told me he'd turned to Summers, and asked if Summers thought it appropriate to decide US economic policy based on "what Goldman thought." As opposed to say, the facts, or say, the needs of the American public, you know, all that stuff that we heard in Cabinet meetings on The West Wing.

Summers looked at Stiglitz like Stiglitz was some kind of naive fool who'd read too many civics books.

CONTINUED...

http://www.gregpalast.com/larry-summers-goldman-sacked/

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
6. I got this right from the horses mouth. H. Clinton-Sachs will choose Goldman-Sachs as her running
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 12:42 PM
Nov 2014

mate. She has already gotten the nod from her pal Big J John Roberts. Hell if Corps are people, why can't they run for office.

If you don't believe this, just remember where I got it.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. I am looking for the post that quoted Sen Sanders talking about the dangers of
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 12:45 PM
Nov 2014

running for the presidency. I thought I bookmarked it but lost track. It was approx a month ago. Any ideas?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. Bernie Sanders: “If I were to run for president, do you know how much money the Kochs would spend?
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 02:58 PM
Nov 2014

This one?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025675761

“If I were to run for president of the United States, do you know how much money the Koch brothers would spend, the military-industrial complex, the drug companies, the private insurance companies, corporate America?” he added. “It would be me, it would be my wife getting attacked, my kids getting attacked. So before I do that I have got to know, number one, is the message – is America ready for a candidate to take on the billionaire class and an agenda that works for working people?”

“If I were to run, we would need an unprecedented grassroots movement,” Sanders said. “Can we do that? Can we get millions of people involved? I don’t know if we can.”

Sander’s second concern was that he wouldn’t have enough active support from the American people to push his agenda through Congress.

“Here is the second thing, equally important,” he remarked. “And I’m the only — I think probably one of the few politicians who will say this, that no matter who is elected president of the United States, the best person in the world elected president, that president will fail unless there is the active involvement 365 days a year of the people. OK? You want to raise the minimum wage? We bring 2 million workers down to Washington, D.C., who understand who is going to vote against them, who is going to vote for them, we raise the minimum wage.”

MORE:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/bernie-sanders-sounds-skeptical-on-2016-id-need-an-unprecedented-movement-to-defeat-the-billionaires/

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
12. Thank you so much. I didn't have it bookmarked. This is one of if not the most important
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 03:57 PM
Nov 2014

OP in DU. Most are totally ignoring the huge elephant in the room. The shear power of the Conservative Ruling Cabal.

What I heard Sen Sanders say is that one would have to be crazy to try to buck the Powers That Be. They will go to untold lengths to stop you. Your wife and family wouldn't be safe. They destroy people and we have seen it.

IMO he said, "you get the millions together as a cohesive unit, and we will talk. Otherwise, it's too big a risk."

What I also heard, not in so many words, is that H. Clinton isn't afraid of the Powers To Be and it isn't because she is brave.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
21. "H. Clinton isn't afraid of the Powers To Be..."
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 05:13 PM
Nov 2014
...and it isn't because she is brave.


Not brave? What about dodging those sniper bullets in Bosnia?
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
22. I am willing to give her brave. What I said was, being brave isn't why she isn't afraid of the PTB.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 05:20 PM
Nov 2014

She has an inside track with the Powers That Be. Goldman-Sachs-O-Gold is her sponsor. While a progressive like Sen Sanders worries about them, H. Clinton-Sachs isn't worried at all.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
24. Sorry, I was being sarcastic.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 05:24 PM
Nov 2014

I thought that would be obvious, since the Bosnia story was total bunk.

Anyway, I understand exactly what you mean, and am in total agreement.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
26. Well I did a bad job of being sarcastic back. I got your post, but wasn't sure you got mine.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 05:33 PM
Nov 2014

If she wants so badly to be brave (Bosnia), I'll give her that.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
28. One more thing that I need straightening out. If I were to look at your turning
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 05:42 PM
Nov 2014

prayer wheel, does it mean I am technically praying? As a Pastafarian, I am not sure I should look at the wheel.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
30. No. Only if you are the one who sets it in motion.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 05:48 PM
Nov 2014

As long as you aren't chanting Om Mani Padme Hum while you look at it, the colander on your head will keep you safe.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
44. You generally don't have to be very brave
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:57 PM
Nov 2014

to be a good little lapdog for the people that own you. And Goldman owns Hillary 100%.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
45. If you walk with the biggest bully, you don't need to fear. If you challenge the bully, you'd
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 04:03 PM
Nov 2014

better be prepared for the worst. HRC walks with the biggest bullies on Wall Street.

smokey nj

(43,853 posts)
31. It brings to mind this article from The Onion.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 05:50 PM
Nov 2014
Report: Nation's Gentrified Neighborhoods Threatened By Aristocratization

WASHINGTON—According to a report released Tuesday by the Brookings Institution, a Washington-based think tank, the recent influx of exceedingly affluent powder-wigged aristocrats into the nation's gentrified urban areas is pushing out young white professionals, some of whom have lived in these neighborhoods for as many as seven years.

Maureen Kennedy, a housing policy expert and lead author of the report, said that the enormous treasure-based wealth of the aristocracy makes it impossible for those living on modest trust funds to hold onto their co-ops and converted factory loft spaces.

"When you have a bejeweled, buckle-shoed duke willing to pay 11 or 12 times the asking price for a block of renovated brownstones—and usually up front with satchels of solid gold guineas—hardworking white-collar people who only make a few hundred thousand dollars a year simply cannot compete," Kennedy said. "If this trend continues, these exclusive, vibrant communities with their sidewalk cafés and faux dive bars will soon be a thing of the past."

According to Kennedy, one of the most pressing concerns associated with rapid aristocratization is the drastic transformation of the metropolitan landscape in a way that fails to maximize livable space.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-nations-gentrified-neighborhoods-threatened,2419/
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
3. No wonder they can set in motion wars, "lone nuts" & whatever else they need to protect that wealth
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 02:36 AM
Nov 2014

n/t

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. It's why they hate Castro n Free Cuba.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 03:00 PM
Nov 2014

That economic-justice stuff, let alone democracy, might catch on over here.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
4. Recently...Water Cannons, Tear Gas Unleashed on 100,000 Anti-Austerity Marchers in Brussels
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 03:05 AM
Nov 2014
?itok=-QD9JH2_

More than 100,000 workers took to the streets in Brussels, Belgium on Thursday to protest austerity cuts and free-market reforms that are set to cut vital social services, freeze wages, and raise the retirement age.

Police used tear gas and water cannons to break up the protest, which saw laborers and other low-wage workers marching peacefully through downtown Brussels to mark the start of an anticipated month-long campaign against the country's newly elected center-right government.

The actions will culminate with a nationwide strike on December 15.


"They are hitting the workers, the unemployed. They are not looking for money where it is, I mean, people with a lot of money," one worker, Philippe Dubois, told the Associated Press.

Belgium's recently elected coalition, which shuts out the Socialist Party for the first time in decades, is made up of three pro-business parties and the centrist Christian Democrats. The coalition said it was forced to institute these new free-market reforms in order to comply with the European Union's budget restrictions.

But residents and other politicians disagreed. Former Prime Minister Elio Di Rupo, a Socialist Democrat, told Reuters UK, "I share the concern of the people and the measures of the government are unjust."

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
39. Iceland Jailed Banksters
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:48 PM
Nov 2014
From Real-Economics.blogspot:

The fact that Iceland is treating the banksters like more or less common criminals points to a cultural feature of a small Nordic country. For example, the small country of Sweden has an large complex industrial culture that encompasses automobile, truck, bus, and ship manufacture, specialty steel, telecommunication equipment, and a host of smaller enterprises that fill in the gaps. Not surprisingly in a country of only 10 million, everyone knows someone who works for a living doing tasks that are often FAR more difficult than anything they do in the financial world. Iceland has figured out how to survive a very difficult climate by tapping geothermal resources and other amazing feats with a population of only 321,000. This fact leads to the cultural question, Why should we treat the financial services business as special and privileged?

http://real-economics.blogspot.com/2013/12/iceland-sends-another-bankster-to-jail.html

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
5. I remember in college, my political science teacher telling us he believed the U.S. was run...
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 03:54 AM
Nov 2014

by elitists. Elitism theory.
He said, the elitists don't care about politics, so long as they have control of the money.
Since then, somewhere along the line, they seemed to have figured out they can't have one without the other.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
9. My American Government class was taught with a text that
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 01:10 PM
Nov 2014

was based on Elitist Theory. It makes sense to me that who ever rules are elitists, either intellectually and/or financial.

That's why we need to get some elitists on the side of the 99%, because we need them. Like the Roosevelt family.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. That is who I am always talking about, the .01%. People here don't fully realize what we are talking
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 03:59 PM
Nov 2014

about sometimes. When we say the 1%ers...we really mean the .01%er.

Now get ready Octa, somebody will be in here sooner or later to defend those poor .01% by saying it's all a conspiracy etc..

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
16. The Bourgeoisie. The Capitalist Class, the Owning Class. The Investor Class.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 05:05 PM
Nov 2014

These people literally do not have to work a day in their lives because they make their invested wealth "work" for them, skimming off the exploited value of the workers. They are parasites, useless eaters.

They need to be expropriated.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
23. Nothing pisses me off more than to hear these people talk about how hard they worked
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 05:21 PM
Nov 2014

to get where they are.

If you are that rich, if you are in the .01% or even the 1%, you didn't "earn" all your money. Somewhere somehow you exploited, used, ripped off, or screwed over someone to get it.


If people were paid for "hard work" the billionaires would be roofers and that poor dude who washes the outside windows on an 80 story building..

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
25. argh, to me this is just going in the wrong direction
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 05:33 PM
Nov 2014

Why don't we just talk about Bill Gates then?

Everybody else is near-poor or something.

To me, even the talk of the 1% is too NARROW, but some people want to narrow it even further.

Because, doncha know, 11.2% of the wealth is far, far more important than a mere 85% of the wealth.

Sure, sure, I wrote about the "Fab 400" http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/123

but I quickly widened it

"The cummulative loss since 1995, including 4% interest, totalled $88.7 billion in 2007. Again, a mere drop in the deficit bucket, but the fab 400 are also just the tip of the wealthy iceberg.

Their share of income was just 1.59% of all income. That is way up from the .49% it was in 1995, but still a fairly small slice. In 2005, those with incomes over $10 million (and there were 13,776 such families, including the fab 400) got 5.1% of all income...."

ctaylors6

(693 posts)
34. I think the narrower 0.1%
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 06:34 PM
Nov 2014

as the focus has 2 benefits. First, many people are in the top 1% temporarily. This article says that 50% of those with income of $1million were in that category only one time. So that includes people who, for example, sell a business.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/26/pf/taxes/high-income-taxpayers/index.html?iid=EL

Second, I think incomes of $350,000 or so for people like doctors or lawyers don't seem exploitatively high to most people or unattainable for them or someone they personally know.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
35. +1
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 06:51 PM
Nov 2014

It really gets harder for the Third Way and corporatist Republicans to keep defending these people and the predatory policies that enrich them at the expense of all of us.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
36. I really wonder if that "business plot" from the 1930s actually succeeded.
Sat Nov 8, 2014, 07:19 PM
Nov 2014

It seems like they're the ones who keep winning and we're the ones who keep losing.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
37. Same group as the people who tried to overthrow FDR in 1933 had kids.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 01:19 PM
Nov 2014

And they are the ones* screwing America now.

What's different today, is we don't have Smedley Butler or FDR to stop them.


Baron de Rothschild and Prescott Bush, share a moment and some information, back in the day.

* Of course, it's not just a few rich families's offspring who screw the majority today. They've hired help and built up the giant noise machine to continue their work overthrowing the progress FDR and the New Deal brought America for 80 years.

Why would the nation and world's richest people do that? Progress costs money. And they don't want to pay for it, even when they've gained seven times more wealth than all of history until 1981 put together.

Instead, whey continue to work -- legally, through government and lobbyists -- to amass even more, transferring the hard work and little wealth of the many onto themselves.

And instead of an armed mob led by a war hero, their weapon of enslavement is "Neo-Liberal Economics." To most Americans, that means Trickle-Down. To the planet, it means doom.

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