holy shit, Mitt Romney gets it

[krawhitham]

Never thought I would say that, but he gets it where many here do not


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Romney: Democrats Lost Because They Weren't 'Proud' Enough Of Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/08/mitt-romney-obama-2014_n_6125112.html

Democratic Senate candidates campaigned as, "I'm not president Obama, I'm as far from him as I can be," Romney said. "I think it would have been wiser to say, 'I liked what the president did here, I'm proud of what we did there, I applaud what we did here, there are some things I think he did wrong, but these things I'm proud of," he more than 500 attendees. "I think that would have been a better strategy."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/08/mitt-romney-obama-2014_n_6125112.html

[LiberalElite]

1. Even a broken clock is right twice a day nt

[Mbrow]

9. Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while......

[awoke_in_2003]

42. Or as Ron Washington (ex coach for the Texas Rangers) said...

"Even a blind squirrel finds a nut coming off the tree once and a while"

[spanone]

2. FUCKromney

[Segami]

4. +1

[ReRe]

10. +2

[Exultant Democracy]

37. Sure, but I agree with him on this point, running from the POTUS was stupid, we could have kept CO

with the minority vote in Denver alone. That would have been one less seat locked up by an R for 6 years.

[hfojvt]

45. maybe in Colorado

but you HAVE to run from him in Kentucky, Kansas and South Dakota. North Carolina too. Hagan lost, because she could not escape him.

[JonLP24]

61. She still lost badly in coal country

Which their angry at Obama was the basis of their campaign strategy.

She should have embraced the popular Kynect but avoided the term "Obamacare"

[denvine]

62. I think she made a mistake

I know President Obama is unpopular in Kentucky, but that is because the Democrats never set the record straight. They dislike him because they are told to dislike them from Fox news and the loud mouth radio heads. If they had pointed out the numbers and debunked all of the lies she would have done better than she did, plus the base would have turned out. Unfortunately this was repeated all over the country. People hate the President but they don't have a logical reason why and the Democrats nationally failed to point out all of the good things that happened and how much more would have happened if not for the unyielding Republican obstruction.

[nikto]

65. Part of the problem is double-edged...

Republicans are proud of their own garbage.


while simultaneously...


Democrats are ashamed of their own achievements.

[INdemo]

75. No, Kentucky is like Indiana

It is so Red that if Republicans ran a s blow up doll, gave it a name with an R in front of it people would vote for it
and it would win.
President Obama could never gain popularity in Kentucky.
The cold hard fact are there are those that are still living in the 50's and 60's with the Jim Crow attitude

Allison Grimes won a state political office and liberals don't win in Red states unless they are Republican lites.
Who knows for sure maybe she voted for Romney?

[Zorra]

38. yep. nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

39. And fuck his attempt to buy the presidency.

[baldguy]

3. Why s it that shitty whiffle-brained fucks like Rmoney "get" it

But so many of the self-proclaimed "liberals" who cheer for the defeat of the Democratic Party don't?

[Beowulf42]

25. The World Turned Upside Down

The members of the Democratic leadership are not Democrats, they are elitists tied to corporations, who are rich and have the same problem the wealthy everywhere seem to have. They have no idea what the middle-class and the poor are going through. As long as they are the leaders in this mess they will continue to make the same mistakes as they have in the past. They fired Howard Dean after he was successful. The ones who screwed this up in November will get promotions and help running for future higher office. It shouldn't be this way, but it is. Unfortunately, Hillary is from the same mold. If we elect her we are postponing the progressive future we really need for another eight years. We cannot keep looking to the past for the leaders of tomorrow.

[baldguy]

26. Hillary is not = Romney

The only thing shitty lies like that do is drive away Democratic voters - FROM ALL DEMOCRATS!!! - and allows Republicans to win.

Self-proclaimed "liberals" who cheer for the defeat of the Democratic Party don't "get" it because they're too busy spreading Republican bullshit.

[IronLionZion]

43. Have you ever known a republican to seek approval from anyone for anything ever?

They just do what they want. Many of them are vile, horrible people, and they win elections anyway.

Dems are the ones who constantly worried about not being likeable and who they are associated with so much so that it appears weak and insecure. Regardless of policy positions, its good a for a candidate to stand up for what they believe in and not let someone else define them.

[bravenak]

47. Republicans are the Jocks and Democrats are the Nerds.

We like being nerds, but we need more self esteem. All that approval seeking is vomit inducing. They bully us and then we try to make nice and not make them be mean to us again.

[BrotherIvan]

54. I think you are on to something

Have you read the Authoritarians? It was recommended to me by a few DUers and I downloaded the pdf.

http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf

As a someone who likes to read, you might be interested. If proves the liberals and conservatives are very different in fundamental ways. And that those ways of thinking are created by specific life experiences. I think the conservatives have been using it as their playbook, but I think that liberals should get a hold of it and do the same, using the opposite tactic. I would be interested in hearing what you think about it if you ever have time to read it.

[bravenak]

56. I will give it a read and let you know what I think.

I have time to start today. Thank you.

[BrotherIvan]

58. Wow thanks.

I don't really know a lot of readers, so most of the time people's eyes glaze over when I talk about a book. Great to hear what you think. I've been sort of daydreaming of making a documentary about it, especially the simulations that you read about in the early chapters. I think it would be very eye opening and spread the message. More than a few DU posters mentioned they read it, so it would be very interesting to get feedback on it.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

59. i think it's ego-related.

Liberals tend to be smart. But intelligence comes with its own hurdles. We get stuck in intellectual competition. And perfectionism. Also, counter-reactions to authority.

Makes it hard for individuals to put down disagreement, work together and support a leader and an overarching mission.(we don't seem to have an organized idea of a mission...too busy arguing about whose issue is most dire.)

[Shankapotomus]

6. As I predicted,

we lost because we wanted purity before unity. Not saying purity is wrong if you can get it, but in politics, in a contest of numbers, the stronger unity wins no matter what it stands for.

[Martin Eden]

12. "Purity" lost the election?

That can be taken two ways:
1) Voters expecting purity stayed home.
2) Candidates lost because they distanced themselves from purity (which I define here as standing up for Democratic principles).

I do not condone staying home and thereby letting Republicans win, but I place the lion's share of the blame on candidates who ran away from their president and from Democratic principles. A candidate needs to earn votes, not take them for granted.

[StoneCarver]

18. The perfect is the enemy of the good...

while this is true, B.O. is a moderate republican. Just watch the next two years. (Just like Bill Clinton in his last two years with a republican congress gave us NAFTA, DOMA, and repealed Glass-Stegal -which ushered in the 2008 crash.) B.O. will give us TPP, Keystone, chained CPI for SS, and a repeal of the medical device tax which pays for the ACA.

I'm pissed I want a real democrat. I want the B.O. who ran for office the first time. I want the Wall Street boys who crashed the economy in 2008 in jail -but the ruling class wont have it. It seems both parties are beholden to corporate America. One is just more open about it and one is more conflicted about it. It's up to us the voters. We will eventually get it together and the good will prevail (after we've tried everything else).

[Martin Eden]

20. No politician is perfect ...

... and anyone who expects perfection is engaging in fantasy.

Having said that, I don't think the actions (or inaction) of Democratic presidents you cited can be defined as "good." IMO it barely qualifies as the "lesser evil."

Bottom line is, the candidates lost because they failed to persuade or to inspire voters to come to the polls and vote for them. I went to my local polling place and darkened the ovals next to the D's because I know the Republicans are a greater evil.

You are absolutely correct when you write "It's up to the voters" ... but only if citizens reform the Democratic Party from the bottom up to advance candidates who better represent our interests.

[cstanleytech]

31. I dont see chained SS going through, keystone maybe if the republicans push hard enough for it

and seeing as they have the majority in both houses they might well get it even if the president doesnt want it.
What he might be able to do though to kill it is paint the republicans into a corner by having the democrats propose a clause stating that none of the oil that is to be transported via the pipeline to be refined can be exported out of the US as that might cause the oil companies to pause in their efforts to push for it if they cannot profit off it by exporting it.
After all if the pipeline is meant to be to help the US then the republicans will support such a restriction and if the pipeline isnt meant to help the US but rather funnel more money into the hands of the republicans and their masters then they will oppose such a restriction on the exporting of the oil.

[zeemike]

29. But mostly democratic principles.

We could have survived an unpopular president but not an abandonment of principle.

But we will abandon them and when the things the GOP wants happen we will make excuses for it because of fear of disloyalty to the party...not the way to progressive change.

[Scootaloo]

55. That's right. we must take what we are delivered

Reagan's eleventh commandment, embraced in full by right-wing democrats across the nation. Don't question! don't speak! just vote and STFU!

[Shankapotomus]

57. Outrage much?

I prefaced my comment with "nothing wrong with purity, if you can get it." More than you're willing to grant me, apparently.

[JHB]

68. We lost because of low turnout, not "purity".

Last edited Sun Nov 9, 2014, 12:40 PM - Edit history (1)

There's an argument that "purity" contributed to low turnout, but as that cohort is merely a subset of the groups who do not turn out without the drama and focus of a presidential election, your argument is far more murky than you imply.

[Shankapotomus]

73. I will be glad if you are correct nt

[KingCharlemagne]

7. Why, next thing you know, he'll be claiming that Republicans 'brainwashed' him! (Little

shout-out to fans of the 1968 Republican nominating process and another Romney's more-honorable self-destruct.)

[PatrynXX]

8. frankly the reason Mitt Romney lost....

is oddly the same reason Hillary Clinton isn't president and the Dems lost tuesday so he better damn well know it.

Pretending. Mitt pretended to be a Conservative and was severely punished for it. Obamacare vs RomneyCare. Oh this might work. hello I'm the guy who came up with the ACA. Hello it worked great in my state. Nope did exactly what the Democrats did. RomneyCare oh that has nothing to do with me... nope..

[WinkyDink]

11. Run from your Party's President, and so will the voters.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

13. Dems lost because they ran Conservatives who were seen as snakes in the grass.

[LiberalArkie]

14. Nope. The reason the Democratic party lost is simple. The people who turn out to vote

are Republicans. The people who would vote the D on the ballot are just too busy shuffling their kids around, or cleaning house, or too hung over from the frat party the night before. Or they may have even just given up on a party that tries to be the party of Reagan. When I voted there was not a single person on my ballot that I felt was a person of the common person.

Our elections remind me of the old soviet union elections, very low voter turnout because all the candidates were they same type person.

One good thing came out of the election, it did purge a lot of reagan democrats from their elected positions. Now we need to find some good liberal people to replace them. I believe that only true liberals can win. People who care about people.

[Bluenorthwest]

19. Hi, we are the West Coast, there are millions of us, we vote and elect Democrats regularly

Turnout in my State was 69%. Democrats won by margins up to 50 points.

[LiberalArkie]

40. Yea, but there are smart people in California.

[Art_from_Ark]

63. Do you really think the party apparatchiks are going to support a truly liberal candidate?

Look what happened to Bill Halter-- twice. The era of Dale Bumpers and David Pryor is unfortunately over for now. The truly liberal candidates are consigned to run as Greens.

[HoosierCowboy]

15. They lost because...

...real Democrats don't vote for Republican lite.

[GoneOffShore]

16. Not voting is not protest....it's surrender.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. "holy shit, Mitt Romney gets it"

Except that he didn't practice what he preaches when he ran away from Bush.

But who knew that DUers would embrace a cold-blooded vulture capitalist and his side-kick Eddie Munster.

[Helen Borg]

21. So, are you gonna vote for him in 2016 now? :)

[treestar]

22. I'm not sure he gets it

Democrats aren't like that. If they were like Republicans, they'd be Republicans. Liberals are more open minded and you can't get them in line like Republicans can get their people in line. It's inherent in the belief system. Much like Democrats "caving" to Republican majorities to keep the government going. Democrats inherently want it to continue to function and republicans inherently don't mind if it shuts down.

It gives Republicans an advantage which does suck. Conservatism will have certain advantages - keeping things the same for people happy with things. In the long run, it loses because society always progresses. But it takes time, due to conservative pressures that exist. Which explains a lot of the frustration of Democrats who are impatient for the changes to take place.

[Iliyah]

23. This is sicking coming from RMoney and the GOP bullshit party

[flamingdem]

24. I've noted that those who are proud of the POTUS

are called "cheerleaders" and "authoritarians" on DU sometimes.

Maybe we can start by cleaning up our own house.

And screw Rmoney and the dancing horse he rode in on.

[IkeRepublican]

27. He don't get shit

He just barks what he's told.

[cwydro]

28. He's absolutely right.

Sick of how chickenshit our party is.

[joeybee12]

30. It's basic political strategy...every one gets it except the dems running for congress..nt

[laundry_queen]

36. +1 nt

[Enrique]

32. a warning when Republicans give political advice to Democrats

there is some chance they don't have our best interests in mind.

[True Blue Door]

33. Careful there, Moneybags. Showing knowledge of reality is a faux pas in Republican circles.

[B Calm]

34. So true! but will our party leaders get it or will they even go further to the right?

[deafskeptic]

41. I don't much like Romney but

the OP is right on this one. Mitty does get it.

[Generic Brad]

44. He learned his lesson the hard way

In this instance, he knows from first hand experience.

[uponit7771]

69. +1

[C Moon]

71. Bull shit. He was told to say that to fit their agenda.

[Odin2005]

46. Of course, he's evil, not stupid.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

48. Our candidates did not have the courage of their convinctions. And they suck at

campaigning. Honestly, we should consider hiring Campaign Managers away from Repubs.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

49. I am not surprised. It really is kind of a No Brainer.

[Cha]

52. Best answer, TA.. it is a "no brainer".. the big surprise is that even rmoney would say it.

[ErikJ]

50. Dems should have reminded them that Obama saved us from the worst financial crisis in history

thanks to Bush deregs of banks and mortgage industry. They should have reminded them of when we were wondering if our ATM cards were going to be working the next day for months as all the 150 yr old banks were failing.

[stage left]

51. Romney wouldn't know right

if it was stapled to his forehead. Democrats lost because there are a lot of people who couldn't care less about voting. They think it makes no difference whether they vote or not. A lot of them probably have no idea who their current govenor is. Who their senators and representatives are. I talked to a woman just lately who didn't know who Mark Sanford was. Who in SC hasn't heard of Mark Sanford? Have been living in cave in Pickens County?

[still_one]

53. This is political opportunism by a loser who wants to run for president again. His implication is

NOT that they should have supported the President, it is that the President had nothing for them to support.

Romney is an asshole, a jerk, and a sore loser. He can't get that loss out of his gut.

This election, contrary to popular belief was NOT a mandate by any means. Anyone who looks at polls regarding members of Congress should realize that. In fact the President has much more support than the do nothing congress, which is mostly the result of republicans trying to block everything.

Romney had another quote earlier this week, something to the effect that "now we will show the people what the party of no really means"

In my view Romney has a real psychological problem. He cannot let this loss go away.

[jtuck004]

60. ALWAYS seek out advice from losers. It will take you far. n/t

[ucrdem]

64. No he really doesn't. What he gets is that the cheaters got away with it

and he'd like to rub our faces in it. That's my take at least, and yeah, Benghazi Mitt knows all about cheating.

[lovemydog]

66. On this one point I agree with him.

[alp227]

67. not to mention he campaigned for a buncha candidates,

i think some won, haven't checked the #'s yet

[C Moon]

70. Says the man who wants the country to believe he could have done better.

Romney is a sack of crud, everything he says, he is told to say. Whoever wrote that crap, is trying to further the destruction of the left-wing.
Romney didn't "GET" anything.
Bull shit.
He's the epitome of what we're fighting against.
I can't believe I saw a headline like that on DU.


He's obviously trying to reach out for and splinter the Dems and it should be obvious at this point that he is going to run in 2016.
C'mon. Know your enemy!!!
This really pissed me off!

[Chemisse]

72. Only idiots did not realize this was the way to go. What does that say about our Dem leaders?

[tooeyeten]

74. Romney pretends to be regular

Like he's normal, one of "us", but he's still the same old Romney, different day.

[mstinamotorcity2]

76. We never said they

didn't get it. These fuckers know exactly what they are doing. They are feeding the American public Distractions. Most of them have degrees and the lot. Money makes them turn on their mother. And they have turned on each other. Dark Money, Light Money, and SuperPacs all lead to the same thing. Getting it Done for the Loot.