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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLook at this electoral map from the 1960 presidential election:
It's very interesting to compare this to more recent elections. Especially notable is the red California and blue Texas. Politics have shifted somewhat since that election.
I was too young to vote in 1960, and was just a sophomore in High School, but it was the first presidential election that I took part in through campaigning. It was also notable for the age of the Democratic candidate. In those days, you still had to be 21 to vote, so I didn't get to vote for a President until 1968, and that was a very strange election, indeed. Here's the same map for 1968. What has happened to Texas?
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...at the age of 7. Mom brought me down to the county Dem HQ to stuff envelopes.I also recall my brother (who was 13) and I going door-to-door dropping off literature. Here's Lil Cooley at the time:
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I also went door-to-door in 1960, handing out JFK literature. I've been doing that ever since, wherever I have lived. Only the literature and the candidates have changed. I couldn't vote but I could campaign.
Well, my appearance has changed, too, since 1960. I couldn't have grown much of a beard back then.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)you may as well bring up maps from the 1800s, for all their relevance to the modern day
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)its youngest President ever. Many people today remember that election, and the distribution of the electoral vote is interesting, even today. That 1960 election was an important one, for many reasons. If you think there is no relationship between it and today, you're wrong. The people who remember that election represent a large segment of the current voting public, and they're still voting with very high turnouts.
Another interesting feature of the 1960 and 1968 maps I posted is the odd fact that third party candidates actually got some electoral college votes in both elections. Notice the states where that happened. People openly voted for racists back in those days. These days, it's not so openly done.
History is important.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)1960 was from the midst of the Civil Rights movement. Maps from the 1800's (long before the movement) would not have this to factor in.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)In both elections, third parties actually got some electoral votes in southern states.
Gman
(24,780 posts)1960. It was there but ignored. MLK's emergence later in the 60's brought the movement to the forefront. And the movement and subsequent civil rights legislation put conservative Democrats in the GOP.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)decree of nature were in reality made Democratic by hard work and electoral activism along with the tides of time. People from conservative States often dismiss Democratic victories in States like CA or Oregon as easily accomplished and eternal while they make their case as to why their own State could never, ever, ever go Democratic. They just say 'this is not California' or 'Oregon isn't really America'.
But Texas used to be Democratic while California was a Republican wonderland. Both things could be that way again....
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Memories.
My first vote was in 1960. I was stunned with the responsibility for my one vote.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)At the time, I was in the USAF, in 1966. I was at Russian Language School at Syracuse University, and had to write a letter home to my county clerk's office in California to request an absentee ballot. First, though, I had to write to request a form so I could register to vote, since I turned 21 out of the state. I started early to make sure that everything would get done in time to vote in that mid-term election.
In that election Pat Brown, Jerry's dad, was running against Ronald Reagan. I cast my vote for Brown. I don't remember the other races on that ballot any longer, but I knew I did not want Ronald Reagan as Governor of California.
There was never a question for me regarding whether or not I would vote. How could I not vote? I don't even understand the question. Voting is a duty, a right, a privilege and a responsibility we all have. Not voting? That's unthinkable to me. It's still unthinkable to me. It simply doesn't compute at all. And yet, people don't vote, even if all they have to do is register and vote right where they live. Bizarre!
LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)My AF dad made me take Spanish. (To be fair, they didn't offer Russian in 8th grade)
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Thanks for posting.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)each presidential elections to see how the voting pattern changes over time. I don't have time today to create the animated GIF it would take to do that, though.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)I tend to think it was a Rovian "divide and conquer" strategy.
BKH70041
(961 posts)Just a consideration.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)has changed over time, too. In the modern period, I can be nothing but a Democrat.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)What are you trying to argue here?
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)This one is purely historical in nature.
Arguments are down the hall and to the left. This is the History office.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)It's interesting that political leanings of different states appear to have changed in the past 50 years, to some degree. Beyond that, it's just information about those changes. I've actually looked at all of those electoral maps that are on Wikipedia. I find them instructive and interesting.
History is interesting in itself. I'm not even looking to draw conclusions. I asked about Texas, and then realized that Texas was the home of LBJ, which may well have been the reason for it being blue back then. I also know about the prevalence of southern Democrats and how the Democratic party has changed over the decades.
Sometimes, information is just information. I hope you'll draw your own conclusions from the information.
Gman
(24,780 posts)the democratic party dominated. This map doesn't reflect it but Democrats dominated at all levels of government. The general election was decided in the Democratic primary. There was only one party in the south, the Democratic Party as the hatred for the Republican Party, the party of Lincoln, lasted for over 100 years. at the time we would joke in Texas that Texas was a two party state, liberal Democrats and conservative Democrats. In 1960, JFK was revered in South Texas, especially in the Mexican-American community but he was hated in North Texas (Dallas). But in '60 LBJ was on the ticket so there was no doubt how Texas would vote as he controlled all things politics. And the same was true with HHH in ''68 being LBJ's VP. But by '68 things were starting to change. Conservative Democrats were moving to the GOP due in large part to the civil rights legislation of the 60's and Nixxon's southern strategy. 6 years later Texas would elect its first Republican governor since Reconstruction and the GOP was on the rise in Texas and the South. The last time Texas' electoral votes went to a Democrat was Carter, a southerner in '76.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)How times have changed.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Extraordinarily Progressive, they would not elect a Republican as governor until 1968.
In 1970 I remember the parents, most of whom were Democrats, urging their kids to beat up the black kids that were bused to school. We had a riot, had police, fire, etc. Sometimes labels are just labels.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Carter 1976:
Bill Clinton 1992:
Bill Clinton 1996:
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)neither the Democratic nor Republican Parties were then as they are now. Nixon's Southern Strategy is largely responsible for the toxic politics in play today.It was more important to win than to uphold American values.
BumRushDaShow
(129,069 posts)Joe Madison (black talk show host on SiriusXM Urban View) plays this clip often -
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Historically, the "Solid South" was the Democratic bastion. Republicans won electoral votes there only when they were doing so well nationwide that the tide even swung some Southern states -- for example, in 1952 and 1956, because of Eisenhower's popularity.
The 1960 election marks the beginning of the enormous change. From the Wikipedia article on the Solid South, with emphasis added:
Because of these and other events, the Democrats lost ground with white voters in the South, as those same voters increasingly lost control over what was once a whites-only Democratic Party in much of the South. The 1960 election was the first in which a Republican presidential candidate received electoral votes in the South while losing nationally. Nixon carried Virginia, Tennessee, and Florida.
Incidentally, "Daddy" King's initial endorsement of Nixon highlights a fact many liberals probably don't know: Until approximately this time, blacks in the South strongly tended to support "the party of Lincoln" while the whites were Democrats.
Nixon, of course, saw the potential for change. His infamous "Southern Strategy" was to appeal (in a genteel way) to the white racists, even if that meant giving up this historic black support. You can see the first stirring of that reversal in the 1960 map.