Why ThirdWayers (DLCers) are dangerous. ..

[mylye2222]

Because they already proved it in the past.

In 2000 they blocked Representatives to sue BushInc for having stolen Florida from Al Gore

In 2004 they didnt offered any help to John Kerry for a possible contestation of Ohio uncounted ballots, and voter suppression.

In 2006 they helped BFEE keeping the Congress although they were beyond popularity.

In 2014 their "run away from Obama" strategy led straight to the loss of Senate.

They should be, unlike the true libs, ostracized from DC Dem powerstructures.

[Faux pas]

1. Kickin'

[mylye2222]

2. Thanks!

[Faux pas]

3. You're welcome for sure

[BKH70041]

4. (snicker)

Beyond the fact the DLCers would disagree with your analysis of them, how do you plan on getting them to leave? They've got the money and are firmly ensconced within the party.

Easier for the progressives that are unhappy to form their own party. Maybe the DLCers will eventually make them uncomfortable enough that they move elsewhere.

[wyldwolf]

5. An even bigger snicker is...

1. No evidence of the OP's contentions.
2. If the OP was true, then it was DLCers against DLCers, being that both Al Gore and John Kerry are DLCers.

[mylye2222]

6. Dont know Gore was or not

but SURE Kerry is not.

[wyldwolf]

7. LOL - yeah, they both are.

[mylye2222]

8. Disagree.

[wyldwolf]

9. you can't disagree with a fact

John Kerry:

Supports Hyde Park Declaration of "Third Way" centrism.

Kerry signed the manifesto, "A New Politics for a New America":

As New Democrats, we believe in a Third Way that rejects the old left-right debate and affirms America’s basic bargain: opportunity for all, responsibility from all, and community of all.

New Democrat: "Third Way" instead of left-right debate.

Kerry adopted Third Way principles of the Democratic Leadership Council:

America and the world have changed dramatically in the closing decades of the 20th century. The industrial order of the 20th century is rapidly yielding to the networked “New Economy” of the 21st century. Our political and governing systems, however, have lagged behind the rest of society in adapting to these seismic shifts. They remain stuck in the left-right debates and the top-down bureaucracies of the industrial past.

Member of the Senate New Democrat Coalition.

Kerry is (well, was when he was a Senator) a member of the Senate New Democrat Coalition:

The Senate New Democrat Coalition (SNDC) [is analogous to] the New Democrat Coalition (NDC) in the House. Members of both groups are moderate Democrats who advocate a new centrist, progressive approach to governing and who often reach across party lines to get things done.

http://www.ontheissues.org/social/John_Kerry_Principles_+_Values.htm

[mylye2222]

10. He was...

But later kept distance with them after they helped the Repugs undermine his BCCI /IRAN CONTRA investigations.

[wyldwolf]

12. You disagree the same way Republicans disagree with global warming. We get it.

[mylye2222]

13. So are you implying Im a Repub?

Thanks for the good laugh.
You know written affirmation doesnt always mean everything. My judgment is based on actions.

[wyldwolf]

16. no, I'm stating you deny facts because they're inconvenient to your view of the world.

[Thinkingabout]

33. You're right, it is cognitive dissonance, they say it long enough and often enough

And they start believing the story.

[Phlem]

69. So do you support the 3rd way or not?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

55. Both were...

In fact, Gore was such a Conservadem that Liberals were outraged when Clinton chose him.

Want a real laugh?

Clinton claimed he was too Liberal to get elected and needed Gore to balance the ticket.

[BKH70041]

11. Kerry is Skull and Bones, right?

I think that's even worse in the circles that keep up with this stuff.

[mylye2222]

15. S&B never defined him as a politician.

His true political essence comes from Vietnam. And his BCCI and corruption investigations already proved his true béliefs.

[BKH70041]

18. I'd still rather hear how you plan on making those of whom you don't approve to leave?

And is there anything they can do within the D party that would eventually make you so uncomfortable that you leave?

[mylye2222]

20. We will no agree I am afraid.

Peace to you , neverless.

[BKH70041]

22. Not agree on what?

i just asked a couple of questions. Com'n, how are you going to make them leave and
what will it take to make you leave?

This is not an agree/disagree thing.

[mylye2222]

23. I cant leave sonce Om not a Dem member

I an jusr a foreign member of DU.

[BKH70041]

26. OK

Take Care.

[mylye2222]

28. Take care too.

Peace.

[Phlem]

72. Stop giving them the fucking time of day or don't let them hold

any credible position in the party. Why do you think we lost the election?

[BKH70041]

80. Like that's going to happen. They have the money.

Second part, what has to happen to make you leave the party?

[Phlem]

85. I'm never leaving the Democratic Party.

I'm a liberal as is or was the Democratic party.

[GeorgeGist]

104. Getting your ass kicked seems effective.

[Jackpine Radical]

91. I don't think the Kerry of 1975 or 1985 was the Kerry of 2004.

Without pretending that this is anything but speculation, one might suspect that he wasn't the first firebrand to undergo a sea change after marrying into too much money.

[mylye2222]

118. First. He never married her for her money.

And second. He only used strategy tactics.
And third. Money doesnt systematicaly change souls.

[Jackpine Radical]

119. Piff & Keltner.

[mylye2222]

120. What is it????

[Jackpine Radical]

121. They're the authors of a series of studies

that anyone who goes around saying "Money doesn't systematically change souls" ought to be familiar with lest they be cited as examples of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

[cascadiance]

29. Usually you use chemo to get rid of cancerous cells, not to destroy the healthy cells of the body...

... which is what surrendering to this cancer that used to be called the DLC and changed to the Third Way would be doing.

I choose to make my body healthy, not to try a body transplant that probably won't work!

[Thinkingabout]

34. Perhaps in this eyes of the beholder

I did start tip toeing through the tulips and do not plan on going out tip toeing.

[BKH70041]

42. Maybe they view you as the cancer.

And they have the money to boot. Seems the progressives here are more willing to vote for DLC Dems as the lesser of two evils, so they have them exactly where they want them. It's certainly not the other way around.

[cascadiance]

58. I guess if everyone who votes believes we live in a "We the Corporate People" land...

... then maybe you are right, but I think most Americans don't believe in such historical revisionism! If you try one treatment for cancer that tries to live with the cancer in your body and you still are dying, then maybe it's time to change the treatment to get rid of the cancerous cells instead of letting them take over, which is what the cancer called the DLC or the Third Way is trying to do to us and TAKE AWAY democratic rule by the real natural persons of this country!

FDR's Democratic Party would have CERTAINLY viewed the DLC as a cancer! Especially after the corporate people tried to engineer a coup against him smelled out and exposed by Smedley Butler!

[BKH70041]

63. There won't be a split, at least not yet.

Given the current makeup, money will win out. Should progressives grow tried of it, they'll leave. Unlikely money will leave since... well, they have the money. Progressives in office can always be convinced to see things differently, especially if they want their campaigns funded.

And please don't give me this "small donors/volunteers on the ground" nonsense. Money can do that times 10,000.

My guess is in time progressives get tired and move along. And they'll be happier for it. But we're talking years down the road.

[cascadiance]

64. If you love money running this party, you are in the WRONG party!

You WON'T continue to win elections preaching "we need mo money!" any more! Both Democrats AND independents are just plain SICK of this BS! And we're sick of excuses after we continue to lose elections like this when most of those who are thrown out are those who champion this kind of corporatist mantra that the DCCC lead by Rahm Emanuel and Steve Israel have pushed on us with its money instead of grass roots progressives that might still have office if they were supported instead.

[BKH70041]

71. LOL

Whether I belong in the Democratic Party is not for you to decide. That's up to me. For the last 20+ years, various D candidates have loved the $100K/yr I've given to their numerous campaigns. I even had two US Senators visit me at my home this past year.

You'll keep showing up and voting D, and that's all that really matters.

[cascadiance]

88. At some point enough instant runoff voting changes will be made at many levels...

Where your corrupt money buddies won't be able to "buy the field" to harvest votes you count on from your slaves. May not happen tomorrow, but there will be a price to paid some day for letting money corrupt our system. The longer it persists, when change ultimately happens, the higher the tax rates on the wealthy will be amongst other things that will help restore the balance this society needs that presidents like FDR, Teddy Roosevelt, and Dwight D. Eisenhower saw as being important to the health of this country.

[F4lconF16]

100. You are just soooo cool, you know that?

Gosh, I wish I could be just like you, buying candidates and support.

You know, the rest of us don't have it as good as you do. When democrats keep moving to the right,we keep getting screwed. We don't have $100k a year to give to our favorite politicians in order to gain their support. We need them to listen, to do the right thing. We need them to support progressive policies. Unfortunately, people like you clearly couldn't give two shits about us. If you did, maybe those progressive reforms might actually happen. Oddly enough, the person with the money is the one trying to discourage anyone from making a change. I wonder why?

"You'll keep showing up and voting D, and that's all that really matters."



I truly can't wait for the day people decide they've had enough of corruption from the rich and your bought out politicians. If shit keeps going downhill, eventually you're going to have to learn that money doesn't help much when half the population can't find food, or work, or a home.

[GeorgeGist]

105. Blow harder.

[A Simple Game]

110. I quit showing up and voting D 20 years ago, thirty years ago I quit voting R.

There are more and more like me every day, I think the D's started learning that this year. Too bad they won't admit it.

Yes money matters, but it is still votes that get you elected. You may be able to buy a politician but you can't buy my vote and there are good candidates out there, they just don't have a D or a R after their names.

[stupidicus]

115. sure you/they have

the only thing validated/confirmed here is your thirdway credentials and glowing endorsement of their "they have nowhere else to go" ways.

[Maedhros]

117. First part of the plan: don't elect one of their fouding members President. [n/t]

[Rex]

14. That really, really pissed me off in 2004.

There was obvious tampering in Ohio. And you are right...they all hung Kerry out to dry.

[mylye2222]

17. Thanks to you Rex.

[woo me with science]

19. Hey, mylye2222

Ignore the 3rd Way shills with extreme prejudice
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025767160

Your OP is spot on. Third Way are nothing but Wall Street-backed infiltrators to the party. Don't waste time arguing with their shills, and don't let them pollute your thread. K&R

[mylye2222]

21. Exactly what I tried to expose.

But as I am ESL ...its sometimes kinda difficult.
Your support is really appreciated.

[Thinkingabout]

35. Ignoring who, are you calling many people here shills?

[Phlem]

73. No just the one's that support the fucking 3rd way.

[Thinkingabout]

76. So would it be proper to call those who support progressives and socialist a shill?

[Phlem]

81. Read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

"A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization."


So a socialist is a plant in a liberal Democratic party? Someone who agree's with our principles and want's to expound on it?

[Enthusiast]

57. +1

[treestar]

24. Methods

is what you are disagreeing with.

to have an effect on that you have to be involved enough to be in a position to discuss those things. By that time, you would know as much as they do and how do you know you would disagree with the methods?

[mylye2222]

27. Im not pretending to know everything

But I hade read numerous articles and edits concerning some DLCers methods to keep the Dem powers to suit their agenda.

[Thinkingabout]

36. was the articles from sites with a good reputation or more grocery store rags.

[mylye2222]

37. A lot of those contents came

From somewhere of good réputation
It came from DU posters.

[Thinkingabout]

43. if that was trily the case then all posters would agree and there would not

Be discussions like this one. Why would you believe things would be proof because a member of DU posted the info.

[Phlem]

75. So your saying it's the method of the 3rd way she's

disagreeing with?

[Legalequilibrium78]

112. I am saying that none of your political ilks

have shown any concrete evidence that if you run as a far left candidate, that said candidate wins. All you guys have or are doing right now is this laughable attempt of eschewing the so called 3rd way supporters and politicians. We are deemed not pure enough a.k.a. not Liberal enough in your eyes. If only?? You are no different than the fundamentalists in every sector of faiths and politics. Believing that only if a certain faction fought harder, not compromised, acted more liberal then everything would have turned out differently.

The right wing zealots would have been exposed and lost. I firmly believe that there are no diffefence between left wing zealots and their contemporaries in the right wing movement. Both sides are so entrenched with this notion of no compromise, don't find any common grounds with the opposing political party. It is precisely because of this cancerous thinking that has led to the country's current political climate.

[cascadiance]

25. And they are proven agents of the Koch brothers money and infiltration of the Democratic Party

http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

[Thinkingabout]

38. Are you relying on the quoted source as proof, look it is a blog.

[cascadiance]

60. Why don't you try and disprove that with something besides only your words!

I can provide other proof as well. This blogs names names. Would you call them liars?

Another link for you to try and disprove with just your words!

http://www.democrats.com/node/7789

[Thinkingabout]

67. I have to disprove, nope doesn't work that way. I read blogs and when they report

Things which does not sound reasonable I put the rag back on the shelf. Also, this is progressive site, of course they cater to those who believe as they do. It is like reading RT to hear about Russia, it I a controlled site, just as FOX is a right wing news source.

[cascadiance]

84. That blog quotes the American Prospect for this info...

Not corporate media enough for you to be acceptable?

http://prospect.org/article/how-dlc-does-it

And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLC's executive council, including Aetna, AT&T, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLC's executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively--meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000.

Of course the corporate media would rather talk constantly about what Kim Kardashian is wearing or not wearing as their topics to keep the public informed more on "meaningful" topics than at least try to address these issues that can easily be supported or disproven.

So, if you can disprove the statements just made here, so be it. But you CAN'T, so you rely on just pointing to corporate media as being your only "valid" news sources, no matter what kind of information is being reported. When the word gets out down the road the more Americans get frustrated with money running our government they will see the corporate media for the shills that they are.

[Thinkingabout]

96. You made my point, it quotes the American Prospect, this one does not prove

Anything, just as quoting a story from FOX news doesn't prove what is being stated. If I wanted to prove RW garbage I would quote information I heard on FOX, doesn't make it true.

[stupidicus]

116. in other words

those who gave to and sit on the DLC council/baord/etc aren't a matter of public record and are therefore in dispute, or are you disputing that logic alone based on their membership/contributions leads one inexorably towards thinking that the rightwing adulteration/influence of the the laughably named DLC is negative from the liberal/progressive pov?

Rightwingers love to attack the messengers when they are impotent in the face of the message, no?

[bemildred]

30. They lie.

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They lie from habit and they lie for sport. They lie for money and they lie for power. They lie because it's fun and makes them feel bigger.

[hrmjustin]

31. I am not familiar with this group but Kerry announced the next day that he wasn't challenging.

Kind of a short window to offer help.

And no one blocked anyone from suing in 2000. Can you explain how they blocked lawsuits?

[mylye2222]

32. Kerry did challenge and joined lawsuit.

But he did it behind the spotlight. With staff and his base.

[hrmjustin]

41. I am not sure that he needed help with the possible challenge because the state did the recount

at the request of several paries I believe. If he was going to challenge then I assume they might have offered. Also it might have been a privite offer. I have no idea.

And your opinion on 2000 seems off. No one in the dlc blocked lawsuits.

[mylye2222]

47. So if he didnt why did he only weeks

after his concession called American citizens to support an Election reform? And why did he undirectly admitted numerous tile, in that way adlitted there were possible fraud
On Ohio remember that then Sec Blackwell s office reportedly destroyed a huge stock of documents related to Election 2004 before leaving office.

[hrmjustin]

49. Because we need it.

[elzenmahn]

39. The way you do this, in my view...

...is to build a PROGRESSIVE coalition within the Democratic party to directly challenge these DLC assholes.

You also build a meme and push it out there: DLC = sellout.
Wash, rinse, repeat, over and over, until the meme sinks in.

[mylye2222]

40. Thanks my friend.

DLC/ThirdWayers= Sellouts Wall street prones Fake Progressive

[elzenmahn]

44. You got the idea...

...my suggestion, though: keep it REALLY SIMPLE, easy to remember, and able to fit on a bumper sticker.

ThirdWayers = Wall Street Prones, DLC = Fake Progressives, combinations thereof.

[mylye2222]

46. I was never talented in building simple memes.

That is at least one proof that I am noy a rethug troll

[elzenmahn]

48. Very true...

...the ability to think with a certain amount of complexity distinguishes us lefties from the current batch of righties.

[mylye2222]

51. Another true fact

Complexity will never be popular.

[Thinkingabout]

45. Are you willing to cave in to others thoughts?

So far I have not heard anything which would challenge me to change my thoughts, wondering how much you need to hear to change your mind.

[Maineman]

50. Is there any reason not to believe that right wingers and Kochs do not have a two pronged approach?

That is: Strengthen right wing Republicans AND right wing Democrats.

[Rex]

52. Careful you will labelled a conspiracy theorist by the purists.

They don't approve of critical thinking.

[mrmpa]

53. Please define for those of us..........

who do not know:

What is a thirdwayer

what is a DLCer

[onenote]

54. What lawsuit was blocked in 2000?

That's a new one. Sounds like something the OP made up. But maybe the OP can provide a link.

Waiting.

[mylye2222]

56. The Black representqtives one

Against minorities voter suppression in Florida

[onenote]

62. Again, not sure what you're talking about.

A number of members of the Congressional Black Caucus formally registered their objections to the acceptance of the Florida results when Congress met in January 2001 to certify the election results. In order for that exception to have been considered, one Senator would have had to supported it. One. But not one did. Now, unless you think that every Democratic and independent member of Senate was a DLC member, you can't claim that the DLC blocked the objections from being considered.

Not that it would have mattered. The process for resolving objections is that each house of Congress considers the objections separately. Unless both houses agree separately to accept the objections, the objections are rejected. The House of Representatives was solidly in republican hands so no matter what happened, the Florida vote was going to be accepted. (The Senate was split 50/50 with the tie-breaking vote in the hands of Gore since he was still VP -- as you can imagine, it would have been more than highly controversial for Gore to cast a tie-breaking vote for himself, particularly if he wouldn't change the outcome).

If there was some other lawsuit that the Black Caucus wanted to bring, what was it and how did the DLC prevent it?

[hrmjustin]

82. They did not file a lawsuit.

They objected in congress and the did not block that.

[adirondacker]

59. Sounds more like a Stink Tank than a Think Tank. A hangout for gasbags?

Amazing what some people are paid for.

[mylye2222]

61. Exactly!!!!!

YOU NAILED IT!!!!

Love that formule. So true! !!!

[blkmusclmachine]

65. Obama and Clinton are both of the DLC/Third Way. So, good luck with cutting them out.

[aquart]

66. And we didn't stand up to them because....?

That said, I reject any call for a purge for any reason.

Purges are what made the Republicans what they are today. Take a good hard look. They sure are pure.

[wyldwolf]

68. the thread title might as well have been...

"I don't know anything about the DLC or Thirdway So I'm Gonna Make Some Stuff Up Because It Feels True."

[mylye2222]

70. Your statement proves one thing.

Even here. ...some facts are uncovenient.

[wyldwolf]

74. Your reply proves one thing

You love parroting what you read on DU. Your OP is the first example.
Your reply to me (carbon copy of what I wrote upthread) is a second example.

Despite repeated calls from multiple people in this thread, you can't prove anything you've written.

[mylye2222]

77. Maybe. ..

But at least Unlike you I DONT GO into personkal attacks everytime I disagree with a thread

[wyldwolf]

86. it's called 'truthiness.'

[Phlem]

78. There's a reason your suppose to ignore the 3rd way with extreme prejudice.

And one thing is for sure, they don't approve of any other method than the 3rd way. As if that's all it is. I've read to many passionate please or assertions that Hillary's the one w/o any real supportive facts, and the facts they drool out aren't based on real world facts.

Save your self and just ignore the ignorant, conservative Republican babble.

Just yesterday someone was slamming Democrats trying to be liberal and win in KY, failing to see that Allison Grimes ran the 3rd way strategy complete with "I like guns" like he's suggesting and STILL LOST.

That's what we're dealing with.

The stupid is very deep with some.

Hang in there we'll fix it, we just have to remove the third way completely and run on our Liberal Principles again.
That way figuring out our strengths and weaknesses with out 3rd way conservative babble getting into the mist. In a way it was our fault for letting them control the liberal Democratic dialogue within our party.

No More.

[Odin2005]

95. They are the Very Serious People who think...

...we should shut up and let the Neo-Liberal technocrats run things.

[Odin2005]

94. No, we just don't believe your side's CORPORATE LIES.

[JohnnyRingo]

79. I always thought policies are chosen from a menu depending on district.

Now I learn there's a sacred national handbook that must be followed to the letter regardless of local demographics. Is the handbook in pdf format or does the party publish a hardbound copy? Is it just a wish list of priorities that you made up to suit your own ideals?

My congressman is quietly pro 2nd amendment and loudly pro union. If he wasn't, we'd have Tea Party representation here in Ohio's 17th. Tim Ryan (D-Niles) won his seventh term here with a healthy 70% last Tuesday.

[Phlem]

89. We are not the Republican party.

No one says there is a fucking handbook, and 16 years of the 3rd way has brought us here. What a big fucking success that was. Now Hillary inevitable, I wonder why that is?

[JohnnyRingo]

97. I agree with your subject line...

...but I don't believe in purity tests. To begin with, everyone's opinion of what the mandatory core policy tenets are differs, depending on the individual. A hard liberal may say all democrats have to run on a platform of a national handgun ban. Another may require openly advocating for legal abortion.

A wise democrat knows his/her constituency and plays up the strong points while downplaying the unpopular ones. My rep vocally upholds his Irish Catholic beliefs on the campaign trail while doing absolutely nothing to end abortion. He efficiently panders to sportsmen but conveniently skips out on enabling concealed weapons and assault rifles.

Many here begin with their firm belief that democrats lost Tuesday because they weren't liberal enough, then work backwards to make their theory match the results. Like someone who puts together a puzzle of a picture that's only in their head, they have to use a mallet to make all the pieces fit.

The fact is, democrats lost Tuesday for a myriad of complex reasons that don't fit on a bumper sticker. Indeed, one of them was a lack of confidence in this president and by proxy, his party. Politics is like a pendulum in that it swings to and fro. Our time is coming again, and the Tea Party will no doubt cry that it's because "RINOS" aren't running as purebred right wing kooks.

To add: I love Obama and know he's done a great job... considering.
Running against him makes perfect sense in some districts and unwise in others. No one in their right mind would bring him down to campaign with them in Alabama.

[Phlem]

98. Purity?

So pushing back on conservative republican ideology is purity? We've done the 3rd way for over 16 years. Progressive legislation won big, open 3rd way democrat seats lost.

Just yesterday someone was slamming Democrats trying too be liberal and win in KY, failing to see that Allison Grimes ran the 3rd way strategy complete with "I like guns" like he's suggesting and STILL LOST.


Here's an op from someone I highly respect. He's also an Independent, unless he's changed recently.
It's from 2011.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-goldman/redefining-the-center-to_b_804327.html

[JohnnyRingo]

99. Grimes lost?

Yes she did, but

Had she run as a Kucinich liberal, does that mean she would have won it... or lost in a two to one landslide?

Certainly, in conservative Kentucky there's no evidence that there's a silent but massive left wing base just waiting for a candidate that expounds liberal values. That they refuse to vote for any reason until a true liberal emerges seems even more fantastic.

Grimes gave it her best shot, but McConnell was destined to win. There's a reason why so many buildings and parks are named after him.

[BlueJac]

83. cowards

[BlueJac]

87. Nice to see new thinking on this site!

Time to move forward with the LIBERAL MOVEMENT

[leftofcool]

90. Sounds like what the tea party said to the established Republicans.

[Phlem]

92. Right.

It's exactly the same thing.

[Teamster Jeff]

93. kick rec

[lovemydog]

101. If the DLC / Third Wayers advocated running away from Obama

then fuck them.

They should have run supporting his policies. Proudly & aggressively.

[mylye2222]

102. And sadly they did.

They followed Clinton s influetia and hype, and idealigy. And this played a huge part in the Tuesday s defeat.

[ucrdem]

103. Yes... as best I can determine, Third Way = pro-Clinton, anti-Obama, & business-friendly.

And unfortuantely that included Alison Grimes, directly or indirectly:

http://perspectives.thirdway.org/?tag=hillary-clinton

Apparently it's a think tank, describing itself thusly:

"THIRD WAY IS A CENTRIST THINK TANK LABELED “THE BEST SOURCE FOR NEW IDEAS
IN PUBLIC POLICY.”

http://thirdway.org

[GeorgeGist]

106. Keep digging.

[whereisjustice]

107. +1, everything the third way touches turns to shit for the working class

[Fla Dem]

108. You say "They should be, unlike the true libs, ostracized from DC Dem power structures." Who are

the "They"? How can we a ostracize them, speak out against them, if we don't know who they are. Other than the Clintons; Hillary and Bill who have been openly criticized on this forum for being 3rd way, who else are so powerful as to control the levers of the Democratic Party. I'm serious. I don't know who they are and why they have so much power.

I went to the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) web site and it's pretty much defunct. All the articles are dated 2009 & 2010.

"On February 7, 2011, Politico reported that the DLC would dissolve, and would do so as early as the following week.[4] On July 5 of that year, DLC founder Al From announced in a statement on the organization's website that the historical records of the DLC have been purchased by the Clinton Foundation.[5] The DLC's last chairman was former Representative Harold Ford of Tennessee, and its vice chair was Senator Thomas R. Carper of Delaware. Its CEO was Bruce Reed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

[mstinamotorcity2]

109. Kick!!!!!!

[cantbeserious]

111. Third Way (DLC) - The Cancer That Keeps On Giving - More To Come With HRC

eom

[mylye2222]

113. YOU NAILED IT PERFECTLY!

[marble falls]

114. "In 2014 their "run away from Obama" strategy led straight to the loss of Senate." That one....

that's the worst.

In in election that passed minimum wage increses and marijuana legalization, that the Senate was lost....

The smart kids in the room third-wayed away the Senate. Iowa and Kentucky come to mind.