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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan we PLEASE get her OUT and STOP using Rahm Emmanuel's FAILED Strategies?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)DWS was hired for a reason. Rahmbo was appointed for a reason. The reason hasn't changed. The Obama administration is way more conservative than some are willing to admit.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)quizling woman. She had a chance to help a dem take out a republican in Florida but didn't because she and the pug were 'friends'. I haven't seen her on teevee. Is she in witless protection?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)We wouldn't even have had the damn "draw-down" from Iraq-and without that, nothing different from a Republican administration at all would even have been possible(the fact that the Great Society was essentially abandoned by LBJ the moment he escalated in Vietnam proves this beyond all discussion).
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that.
Botany
(70,504 posts)BTW Dr. Dean's 50 state strategy was working just fine but
Rahm and company chased him out of the party.
Triana
(22,666 posts)I already DESPISED Rahm Emmanuel. This just added another reason to the list:
http://prospect.org/article/meaning-midterms
ReRe
(10,597 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)How much more do people have to hear? Debbie is a Shill for Zionism and Netanyahu and works against candidates that actually have the character, integrity courage and know how to do something. That is her job after all... to maintain the status quo. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0707/S00219.htm
CorporatistNation is coming.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Way to bolster your liberal creds there, Debbie. Marijuana issues bring out young people to vote like no other issue.
calimary
(81,267 posts)the last budget drama - she was one of those who balked, as did that sniveling GOP'er renee ellmers. Guess she was too big to have to make even that symbolic solidarity sacrifice, 'eh?
I'm done with her. I wish the rest of our party was, too!
What can we DO about it? Seriously.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)backing of the Democratic Party.
I don't wish him well.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)That is the same old tired accusation people use in order to shut down any criticism of the idiots in Israel who hate peace.
Show me how being against the Right Wing Zionists in Israel is anti-Semitic.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)...out of the blue with that stuff when it is not really relevant to the thread is suspicious. This is about being a shitty party chairperson, not about Israel-Palestine.
cprise
(8,445 posts)for the old anti-Zionist = anti-Semite. Foreign policy matters just like domestic.
And people wonder why Jimmy Carter doesn't feel at home in his own party.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)as a 'bluedog' or is she just a 'third way' brown noser? Hopefully, in an ass backwards way, the republicans will take out enough money from Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, repeal enough of ACA that will HURT enough people and families that she will be relegated to the irrelevant bin and republicans can destroy themselves. I can hope, can't I.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)K&R.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I could give a rat's ass about the silly appellation the denizens of this board want to bestow upon her but she has failed at her position, for whatever reason, and consequently has to go.
The Democratic party has been a constant in my life since I wrote a letter when i was ten years old to Robert Kennedy and had it answered and returned but if I have to listen to "purge" talk for the next two years I'm taking what might be a permanent hiatus from politics.
George II
(67,782 posts)....was a failure of local Democratic organizations to get their voters out to the polls. Had more than about 1/3 of the electorate voted there would have been a different result on Tuesday.
Can anyone point to something SPECIFIC that she did or didn't do that resulted in last week's losses? Or is this becoming just sour grapes finger pointing?
Triana
(22,666 posts)Then, there's what she DIDN'T do. She is disengaged, out of touch, and a lousy strategist. Not to mention essentially a moderate Republican.
George II
(67,782 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)our Senate race. Conversely we gained seats in the state legislature, flipped both Wake and Buncome County Commissions (in Wake it was a clean sweep), and didn't lose any Supreme Court seats. In short, Congress and Senate were our big losses here. That said, getting rid of Wasserman won't solve our problems.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)And keeping her sure won't either. She's supposed to set the tone - the course - whatever. I'm still in a quandary as to just what strategy she WAS purveying. Maybe it was subliminal. It was certainly sub-par.
paleotn
(17,913 posts)...I'm not as crazy as Thom...watch me straddle this fence.... I'm really not too fond of "The Black Guy" either. Now THAT'S how you turn out Democratic voters! Way to go, Kay. Maybe future NC Democratic pols can take lessons from her on what NOT to do.
By the way, we only picked up 3 seats in the house and are still heavily outnumbered. We lost a seat in the state Senate where it's now more than 2 to 1 Rethugs. I can't speak to Wake, but Buncombe was due solely because of local issues. Nothing else. Certainly not all around enthusiasm for a party running away from a sitting president with a pretty decent record considering what he inherited.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I apologize for the length and rambling nature of that post, but not for the gist. The full brunt of the election was starting to hit me in full that day.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)She should have been touting the successes of Obamas tenure, nit running from it.
Oh, and whoever thought up those ridiculous 'we're lost, woe is us, abandon hope' emails should also be fired
George II
(67,782 posts)And in those emails they DID tout the successes of the last several years, but we have to remember that only about 35% of the eligible voters voted, and maybe 55% (a guess, certainly no more, maybe less) of them voted for republicans.
So, this republican tidal wave people think they saw was really less than 20% of eligible voters.
I wish I hadn't deleted all of my emails from them, otherwise I'd post the number I received.
AngryDem001
(684 posts)Whoever was in charge of that idea is a Class A MORON.
calimary
(81,267 posts)Almost every damn one in the last month or so was a hair-on-fire email.
AngryDem001
(684 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)"Obama, Obama, Obama."
Fair enough. Rather than give Republicans battle on their terms, or open a second national front on our own terms, Dems ran from the field of battle, cementing the image of us as spineless chickenshit wimps in people's minds, an image-setting process that began back in Nixon's day and that Reagan honed to perfection.
I realize that may not satisfy your demand for anything specific but, FFS, this is war. The time for being genteel with these fascists was over back in 2001. Fascists NEVER willingly relinquish power. EVER.
HelenWheels
(2,284 posts)But of course he wouldn't come back because of the way he was treated. He was the best Democratic Chairman and I believe he was responsible for Obama's victory. His 50 state strategy was genius. He asked for and should have been appointed head of H&HS. I have not forgiven Obama for dissing him after the election.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I wasn't even a big fan when he ran for president in 2004, but he awesome as party chair and his 50 state strategy was what helped flip the House in 2006.
merrily
(45,251 posts)simply a reaction of voters to Bush. I don't have gobs of respect for that poster.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Democratic Party fealty to the agendas of AIPAC and Wall Street regardless of the cost. She isn't there to see that democrats win, and she isn't going anywhere, anytime soon.
rtracey
(2,062 posts)I believe no one as a sitting senator or congressperson should be also the DNCC.. Rence is not and had all election period to help his party, Wasserman -Schultz needed to also run for her seat too
merrily
(45,251 posts)Then, we got a sitting Congresswoman.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... just how out of touch "the serious people" that have the Democratic Party in a stranglehold are.
Time to take OUR party back from them.
I have nothing personal against Debbie. I just don't think she was cut out to be the leader of anything, and at least NOT the Chair of the DNC. I don't think we have to worry about her remaining in that position, as I'm sure she is NOT interested. She was no Howard Dean.
TRoN33
(769 posts)I immediately called for Debbie Wasserman-Schultz to be fired from DNC. She need to go. She is all for herself. She was the one who told Democrwtic candidates or incumbents to stay away from President Obama because he is, as I quote her, 'too toxic'.
"Toxic President" got country out of brink.
Debbie need to go NOW. She won't be unemployed for more than one minute. She will cash into Wall St. jobs with $1-5 million contracts.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That might be a positive step too.
TRoN33
(769 posts)Wants to purge Liberals and Progressives from the party itself. It's D.C. Democrats the one who has betrayed us.
Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)How about we start "bashing" them more until they stop acting like republicans?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the Democratic Party had a huge failure last week. That's not ok. We need to work on fixing the problem. Ms. Wasserman Schultz does not work for the grassroots of the Party. She is a Conservative.
marble falls
(57,083 posts)claiming it was too late to win and a refusal to support the President and use him in campaigns, it was guaranteed to be a losing election. We allowed ourselves to dampen our own turnout while Teapublicans actively changed voting laws all over the country.
I voted here in Teaparty central wearing my Che shirt. Last great act of defiance. Until 2016.
George II
(67,782 posts)...any of that other stuff.
Maybe you're on the wrong mailing list?
marble falls
(57,083 posts)e-mail supposedly from Pelosi at least five times, and those e-mails I and others got were the subject of many threads here the last several months. It was a bad idea.
George II
(67,782 posts)marble falls
(57,083 posts)the e-mails started. There'd be a doomsday header and it would open to another petition and a page of how they figured I'd be into pledging money to non-conservative mainstream Democratic Party type political committees. I wish there were I way I could dig just one days deletions of that defeatist crap.
The ones I got supposedly from the White House were good and I appreciated them. They were written by a White House staffer who sounded calm and smart.
And then so many campaigns were made running away from a demonstrably good President.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)list to see what the DNC is really doing.
George II
(67,782 posts)...that they came from the DNC.
lob1
(3,820 posts)"It's too late", "It's your fault if we lose". Infuriating pieces of crap.
George II
(67,782 posts)Thanks.
lob1
(3,820 posts)RVN VET
(492 posts)Losing to a party that directs it's programs at a very small minority of wealthy and racist (and wealthy racist) voters is bad enough, frustrating enough. But losing because Democratic candidates tried to look and act like Republicans -- instead of standing for things the people actually want -- is shameful.
In 2014, the Democratic Party stands for nothing. People who could see through the Republican bs had nowhere to turn because people like Ms Wasserman-Schultz gave them nowhere to turn. Ms Wasserman-Schultz's strategy turned the Democratic Party into GOP-lite -- no, wait, not "lite" at all. Grimes lost in Kentucky. Maybe she would have lost anyway. But she lost trying to be Mitch McConnell. And that removes any dignity to pride from the contest.
I am awaiting 2016 with a jaundiced eye. If Hilary gets the nod and tries to run like Chris Christie in Purple, I will not vote for her. Millions of other Dems, like me, won't vote for her. We just won't vote. If Hilary, or someone with actual Liberal credentials (are you listening Bernie? Elizabeth?) runs on a Progressive ticket, I'll be there for them. Otherwise I'll just stay home and watch House of Cards re-runs the night of the election.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Some, hasten to say they will vote for her, if she is the nominee, but they hope she isn't.
I think she will lose the general, if she is the nominee.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)It doesn't matter if some Democrats feel insulted that other Democrats won't unconditionally support our nominee. All that matters is that people don't like her...the whys and how's are irrelevant. Time to get over her and move on. Liberals detest her and Conservatives will never be won over so what's the point? Elizabeth Warren has my support.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)That was the old system, democracy.
In oligarchy, the goal is using the two parties you own in whichever way best furthers the corporate agenda of the oligarchy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025736826
This is not a problem of one bad strategist in a functioning democratic contest. This is oligarchy pretending to be democracy.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Republicans weren't going to throw Reagan under the bus and Democrats were not going to throw a Democratic Congress under the bus. Republicans loved repeal of Glass Steagall and NAFTA and Democrats were not going to throw Bubba under the bus. Then, Bush gets President Elect Obama to okay TARP II, President Elect Obama pledges to cut "entitlements," President Obama, asks the Senate to fast track TPP, and will likely approve Keystone, etc.
No rioting in the streets and the agenda keeps moving forward.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)I've thought and argued for a long time now that the dem timidity and incompetence that almost always accompanies it is really a facade to cover their complicity, and that's really the only reason why we have so few Warrens/Sanders/Graysons/etc, is not because the others are incapable of emulating their behavior and championing their povs equally stridently/vociferously. The rightwingnuts work in concert, the dems merely offer an explanation as to why in recent history, that old "herding cats" adage rings true, and the reasons why it does for them.
The rightwingnuts should be taking a beating in this center/left country, and even with the corporate media still holding so much sway, because they can't keep the mic away from dem leaders like the aforementioned or those that would be one without shattering the illusions and myths, like that "liberal" media one for example.
Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)done so well (republican saying that!) if it wasn't for Reince Preibus, RNC chairman. That Reince came in and hired 20 people over a year ago to set up the ground game in Tx.
See Debbie - that's how it's done. Where the hell were you?
el scorcho
(58 posts)I will not give another dime to Democrats while she is chair of the DNC.
We have a short time to get our act together for 2016. Debbie must go NOW.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)tritsofme
(17,378 posts)But as DNC chair, DWS essentially serves at the pleasure of the WH, so this line of criticism is a bit bizarre.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)did their bidding. I think she will be replaced but not because she failed at her assigned task. She didn't work for progressives therefore she didn't work to support progressives. It's pretty simple.
And I don't understand how you give Rahm credit for the Democratic majority in the House.
tritsofme
(17,378 posts)White washing him out of that history is strictly a DU phenomenon.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Rahm is not a politician for the 99%.
tritsofme
(17,378 posts)He likes winning, and he knows how to do it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Are you serious.
He probably told Obama it was OK to throw the left under the bus on Fox news. How the fuck does that get out the votes.
I'm pretty sure Rahm had nothing with Obama's winning more than the public desperately wanted the opposite of George Bush, Obama's populist rhetoric during his campaign convinced a lot of people that's what we were getting.
Sadly not. Rahm is a POS.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)created a foundation that helped Obama get in. His sidelining was a disaster.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I'm still pissed off that she just left the NJ gubernatorial candidate, Barbara Buono, to her own devices, and I don't even live in NJ!!
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)We hated Obama and every one of his policies right up til Tuesday night/Wednesday morning, but that was the last one I received. I didn't get the one on hating all the candidates for not embracing Obama (who we hated last week), and by the time I caught up to that we'd moved on to hating voters, non-voters, party purists, party moderates, millennials, old voters, Obama (again), Third Way/DLC, the DCCC, white voters, campaign emails, and Rahm Emmanuel, all of whom are apparently completely responsible for the midterm disaster.
I thought I had gotten caught up but now it's all the fault of DWS, for not defending the policies we all loathed last week.
Someone reboot the memo mailer please, cuz I'm getting a headache trying to keep up. TIA
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)I'll try and explain it to you. In March and April many including myself were accused of spreading Fear Uncertainty and Doubt when we asserted that the Republicans could win the Senate unless the Democratic Party embraced a populist agenda that inspired the voters. We were told in no uncertain terms by the ones shouting the loudest now that the Republicans could never win, and that we fully expected to pick seats in the House up.
This meme lasted until about two weeks before the election, when it started to appear that the Republicans were not going to do their part and present the Democratic Party with a Real Rape quote to bash the Republicans over the heads with. Then a quiet sense of panic started and GOTV threads became the meme. While GOTV was mentioned before, it became the only thing discussed. When some people started to point out that the Democratic Campaign plan was that we suck, but they suck more, we were told that everyone knew the Republicans sucked, and that's why we were going to win big.
If you dared to post a poll, you were informed that the Poll was paid for by corporate america and didn't reflect the attitudes of people. Landlines versus Cell Phones was one excuse in the final week. Especially when Millennials started to break in favor of Republicans in the polls.
So going into the election, the outrage was the Republicans trying to suppress the votes, and they tossed out huge numbers, like 50k in Georgia who would not be able to vote due to voter suppression. Then Michelle Nunn lost by about 200k votes. Well, no one had claimed that the Republicans were going to be able to successfully suppress 200k votes, so that meme went by the wayside, although it is still mentioned from time to time as an also caused.
Now, it's the fantasy that if Democrats had run as San Francisco Liberals in rural america, we would have run the table and won huge. Just huge victories. You see, the technique is that tying yourself to a President who is deeply unpopular will somehow cause people to turn out and vote for you. That this has never worked in the past is no reason to screw up the meme. They offer great examples, like Connecticut, where a Democrat ran as a Progressive, and won. Hardly one of the bastions of Conservative support, but whatever. This is fantasy land where the Liberals are hugely popular with vast majorities of the people, or something.
What this really means is that the Democratic Party is fracturing. Worse, it means that the Democratic Party is going to be in the minority for the next ten years. Until we recognize that different areas have different cultural norms we are't going to get any majorities.
The trick to politics is pretty simple. You get the majority by promising as a party the minimum things you hope to accomplish. Let's say tax reform. You promise to cut taxes on the middle class, while raising them one percent on the richest one percent. People generally speaking are comfortable with this tiny change and they'll stand behind you. If you talk about jacking taxes up double, or even triple on anyone, they'll back away wondering what else you have in store for them.
Imagine that it's sort of like a football game. The ball is kicked off. The man in the end zone catches the ball and starts running. Liberals want him to run that football all the way back and get a huge touchdown to get the victory they so desperately want. Most people are comfortable with the idea of moving the ball down the field in small surges. When a man is running down the field, many will shout "Somebody tackle him!" as they watch the game.
Politics is the same. Everyone wanted some changes to Healthcare, but they didn't want the massive change that even now people are confused about what really changed. The Liberals are angry that we didn't go to single payer, the public wants their own personal benefit. Keeping their kids on the insurance longer for example, but not everything that comes with it.
So now, when two weeks before the election we had awesome candidates who were doing great jobs and were going to kick the Republicans out of office, we heaped praise and lauded them endlessly. Now that they lost, we are heaping scorn on them in best monday morning quarterback fashion for not going all liberal and somehow winning, despite the historically proven trends that show exactly the opposite.
So we're stuck in Fantasy land, and I wonder how long before we wake up and start thinking realistically, because if we don't. The Republicans are going to win the White House in two years.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)and I recall no time when intentional turnovers, running toward your own end zone, or early downs punting ever did.
Every play must work in concert to make the defense defend every square inch of the fucking field and by doing so create a tentative and highly vanilla look. You throw deep whether you make it or not several times a game because to not do so packs them in near the line of scrimmage. You run right up the gut even if you lose ground to make sure they aren't too far off to hinder your passing. You run screens to demonstrate the danger of over pursuit on pass rush.
It goes on and on. You attack from every angle and when you have a good one, your defense also attacks and thereby dictates to the opposing offense what they can do on the field. The TeaPubliKlans particularly kick our ass in the their political equalivent of this. We would not for a second, with majorities in both houses and and the presidency, even begin to consider for the most brief moment nominating the ideological opposite number to a Roberts but would easily allow a TeaPubliKlan President to appoint another or even worse with both houses.
Of course in this case it is not because they do anything magical or anything we are just weak and inept and/or simply complicit. Neither even borders on acceptable or reasonable or even sane so I can no longer find any excuse to rationalize a way for it to be anything but an existential threat regardless of the lame ass story.
It doesn't matter why after a couple decades of direct failure doing the exact shit now little better than what some of us started out opposing in the first place to the point where we just turn around and do everything we just fucking said we were going to stop, worse codifying the vile shit in a wicked "make it legal" fashion and claim (no excuse how rightly) how much better it is than whatever the worst things we can imagine the other guy would and to eat our peas and embrace the suck.
We can recover from a tone deaf ass leader saying something as beyond stupid as "embrace the suck", what we can't easily get over is being a bunch of stooges that actually do it instead of demanding better vision or at the very least some decent marketing.
You don't tell the people eating shit to "eat their peas" and you don't tell anybody ever to "embrace the suck" and expect to win anything but a kicking yourself in the ass contest.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)She is doing what she is paid to do. And the rest of the party seems quite content with it.
In a less corrupt world, can you imagine what you would get if you put a Howard Dean or a Elizabeth Warren, or heavens forbid an Alan Grayson in charge of the DNC? At the very least it would be fun to watch.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)We do need to do it again, though.
I mean in terms of.. Imagine what the recent election would have been like with Dean in charge. Or what the next one could be like.
Maineman
(854 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Bill Clinton that the president should be shunned as a winning strategy in the midterms! She's just another Third Way/New Democrat that's tone deaf and useless.
paleotn
(17,913 posts)....is she the flipping idiot who told Grimes to run away from the man who's policies are directly responsible for Kynect?
Stick a fork in it, Debbie. You're done.
TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)Give a kick where it matters. Let's kick each other. The effort is working. Many blogs reporting the outcry, to remove party leaders that are ineffective, and downright obstacles. Are their shenanigans on purpose? You bet ya!
Just lookie here and give another kick. Let's keep this effort alive.
Kick here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=224941
BP2
(554 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)You're FIRED!
Man that felt good.
lofty1
(62 posts)Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time - Harry Truman
The Democratic Party needs to kick out all of the acting like Republican Democrats in their midst.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Who do you think could have done a better job than her when the Republican candidates raised over $200 million getting themselves re-elected?
Added to all of the dark money that flowed in from corporations, which is estimated to be another $350-$500 million dollars?
Not to mention the fact that the mainstream media constantly said the Democrats were worthless for the last 2 years.
While never criticizing Boehnor for holding show votes to overturn "Obamacare" 55 times!!
While never mentioning that McConnell filibustered in the Senate more times than anyone else in the history of this country.
While never mentioning that it was the Republicans that shut the federal government down last year for over 3 weeks.
While never mentioning the fiscal cliff, that cost our country its AAAA++ bond rating.
While never mentioning the accomplishments that Obama and the Democrats have done while in charge of the Senate and the hite House, like creating more jobs, stabilizing the economy, cutting the deficits, etc., etc.
I mean, seriously, there is no one else who could have surmounted a defense against all of that!!!
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Throw in Pelosi, Reid and Hilary and send a message to Obama to actually lead for the next two years and we might have a start.
It's time to kick these corporate puppets to the curb.