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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:38 PM Nov 2014

"In a private club 54 floors above the convention hall they monitored the party they infiltrated."

That sentence is from an article below about the 2000 Democratic convention, and the power the DLC had over it.

This is just my opinion, but I believe the Tea Party extremists gained power because our side was too busy listening to the calls for "bipartisanship" coming from the policy think tanks. The Republicans didn't fight them because they needed to win and used whatever was needed to do so.

So in effect both sides moved right. The GOP moved right out of conviction. The Democrats moved right for two reasons. They feared the media machine formed by the Republicans, and they took the advice of corporately funded think tanks.

Behind the DLC Takeover

By John Nichols

At the national convention of a major political party, an ideologically rigid sectarian clique secures the ultimate triumph. It inserts two of its own as nominees for the Presidency and the Vice Presidency. Heavily financed by the most powerful corporations in the world, the group's leaders gather in a private club fifty-four floors above the convention hall, apart from the delegates of the party they had infiltrated. There, they carefully monitor the convention's acceptance of a platform the organization had drafted almost in its entirety. Then, with the ticket secured and with the policy course of the party set, they introduce a team of 100 shock troops to deploy across the country to lock up the party's grassroots.

This is not some fantastic political thriller starring Harrison Ford or Sharon Stone. This is the real-life version of Invasion of the Party Snatchers--with the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) burrowing into the pod that is the Democratic Party.

Founded in the mid-1980s with essentially the same purpose as the Christian Coalition--to pull a broad political party dramatically to the right--the DLC has been far more successful than its headline-grabbing Republican counterpart. After Walter Mondale's 1984 defeat at the hands of Ronald Reagan, a group of mostly Southern, conservative Democrats hatched the theory that their party was in trouble because it had grown too sympathetic to the agendas of organized labor, feminists, African Americans, Latinos, gays and lesbians, peace activists, and egalitarians.

....A day is soon coming when "we'll finally be able to proclaim that all Democrats are, indeed, New Democrats," declared DLC President Al From on the eve of this year's Democratic National Convention.


After every success we have as Democrats all kind of op eds appear, saying that we need to be careful as a majority not to leave the other side out of discussions. That's fine and good, but not practical when the other side are extremists.

It used to be the Democratic Leadership Council guiding the steps of our party, but in 2011 Fox Democrat Kirsten Powers let us know that Third Way was taking their place.

From her column at the Daily Beast:

DLC Shut Down: The Democrats’ New Power Base

Reports of the death of centrism in the Democratic Party have been greatly exaggerated.

Monday’s news that the Democratic Leadership Council is folding after three decades was greeted with glee by those on the left who see it as evidence that centrism has gasped its last breath.

.."The truth is, the DLC’s position as the leading centrist Democratic think tank was long ago overtaken by a group called Third Way, which has been growing more influential by the day.

Before joining the White House, Bill Daley, President Obama’s new chief of staff, was a board member of Third Way.


I found an opinion piece written in 1995 by the present head of the Third Way. He was calling on Democrats to privatize Social Security for everyone but the very needy.

Pure gold from 1995. Op ed from Third Way prez Cowan calling to privatize Social Security.

The time has come to reinvent Social Security based on a "cut and privatize" approach that will be fair to all age groups. This reinvention should be based on three principles:

Start immediately to lower boomers' expectations of the returns they will get and encourage them to increase private savings.

Separate out the welfare portion of Social Security and pay out poverty benefits to today's--and tomorrow's--needy seniors from general government revenues.

Idea #3 is to lower the Social Security payroll to 10% (where the heck was it in 1995...isn't it 6.2 now?) and "give workers the option of putting their money into private pension programs that offer far higher returns and sounder prospects than today's Social Security system."


Some quotes from those who have warned the party to include the left and behave like Democrats.

False centrism and the rush to "bipartisanship". They are failing our party. Some quotes.

I still quote Howard Dean now and then. I stopped for a while because I believe he stepped back a while from telling things straight and clear. Hopefully he will again.

From June 2010:

"You did your job," Dean added. "You elected Barack Obama. You elected a Democratic Congress. You elected a Democratic Senate. And now it's time for them to behave like Democrats if they want to get reelected. They have forgotten where they came from -- and they haven't been here that long."

Dean echoed other progressive leaders who opened the conference Monday, expressing dismay, even anger, at the White House and Congress, saying they have been too timid and compromising on issues such as health care, the economy, climate change and banking reform.

Dean said the progressive base is critical to Democrats' electoral successes this fall and beyond. "If Washington understands that they can't do things that demoralize their base," Dean said, "then we'll have a permanent (Democratic) majority."


It proved to be true about needing the progressive base in 2010.

R. J. Eskow's masterpiece just after the 2010 midterms was clear.

After last night's rout, what are these experts advising? You guessed it: more of the same so-called "Centrism." That's an odd word to use for policies that most Americans oppose, like cutting Social Security or allowing bankers to enrich themselves by endangering the economy, but theirs is an Alice-in-Wonderland world.

Real centrists would defend Social Security and do more to rein in Wall Street, since those positions are popular across the political spectrum. It's a good thing the president said today that he wants to spend more time with the American people. Bankers and the Deficit Commission aren't "centrists" where most Americans live.


Robert Reich has a frank and open interview with Speigel Online.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: When you served in the White House, President Bill Clinton began on the left but drifted to the middle after the Democrats lost significant ground in the mid-term elections. Do you see that happening again?

Reich: I was there with Bill Clinton when he tried to so called "triangulate" and please the voters in the middle. But the middle is a fiction. The middle is simply where most voters who respond to surveys say they are. What Clinton did and what Obama may be forced to do is to give up leadership; that is, to simply respond to polls. I think it would be a shame if Obama moved from leadership to opinion polls, but his advisors may feel that that's the only way to guarantee him a re-election.


There are good ideas there at the Third Way in some cases. They are usually geared to the business community. That group often speaks of the left in not so friendly terms.

Simon Rosenberg, a co-founder of the DLC gave away their game and left no doubt. He spoke of why the DLC was founded. The article was in The American Prospect, and the actual link is hard to keep up with. Here is his quote:

"freed... from positions making it difficult for us to win. "...Simon Rosenberg.

"Simon Rosenberg, the former field director for the DLC who directs the New Democrat Network, a spin-off political action committee, says, "We're trying to raise money to help them lessen their reliance on traditional interest groups in the Democratic Party. In that way," he adds, "they are ideologically freed, frankly, from taking positions that make it difficult for Democrats to win."


Now I believe we are looking at the XL pipeline being okayed, the safety nets cut for seniors, schools finally privatized, more troops sent to our wars around the world.

A country is not healthy without an opposition party. We had a chance to be one, and I think we failed too often.
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"In a private club 54 floors above the convention hall they monitored the party they infiltrated." (Original Post) madfloridian Nov 2014 OP
Paul Wellstone and others spoke out against this takeover madfloridian Nov 2014 #1
And how many Senators are in the Congressional Progressive Caucus today? progressoid Nov 2014 #88
Progressive Democrats: It starts NOW. Raise the standards, demand change, reject the past. NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #2
..... madfloridian Nov 2014 #3
where is this group referenced in Skidmore Nov 2014 #33
Here. Needs to be more active though. madfloridian Nov 2014 #51
I subscribe to it, I just don't post there much. nt navarth Nov 2014 #63
I love what you're saying, NYC_SKP! SoapBox Nov 2014 #36
+1000 TeamPooka Nov 2014 #41
Editorials from known anti-DLC sources wyldwolf Nov 2014 #4
They need repeating. Too many have me on ignore for me to get "dittos dittos" madfloridian Nov 2014 #5
Ditto Rush ditto wyldwolf Nov 2014 #7
..... madfloridian Nov 2014 #12
That's good because it wasn't meant to be funny wyldwolf Nov 2014 #16
It really says more about you than about me. madfloridian Nov 2014 #17
Sure because I point things out like that wyldwolf Nov 2014 #18
Comparing me to Rush is way over the line, even if done in a cutesy manner. madfloridian Nov 2014 #19
No I did not compare you to rush wyldwolf Nov 2014 #20
Oh well, you compared progressives on this board to Rush listeners... madfloridian Nov 2014 #25
He is getting so sad now, earlier this week he was on fire with the snark. Rex Nov 2014 #32
And enthusiastically defending the DLC! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #82
He/she always slams anyone with anything bad (truthful) to say lob1 Nov 2014 #47
You are not funny, chervilant Nov 2014 #48
+1 Enthusiast Nov 2014 #81
And you have a problem with that? nt Zorra Nov 2014 #11
And a response from a known pro-DLC DUer Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #31
Any editorials about the 15 million people newly in poverty under this administration? jtuck004 Nov 2014 #43
Well said, thanks for the info. lpbk2713 Nov 2014 #6
and we are looking at more jobs going outside the US and the jobs here going to H-1b visaholders. nt antigop Nov 2014 #8
This is one of the reasons I'm not in favor of Hillary Clinton and Cleita Nov 2014 #9
+1 nashville_brook Nov 2014 #55
K+R sibelian Nov 2014 #10
Thank you, madfloridian, for all the important information about Third Way/DLC Zorra Nov 2014 #13
I think the Koch contributions to local TP organizers hootinholler Nov 2014 #14
Totally agree. They are literally buying out our country. madfloridian Nov 2014 #49
Thanks for this chronicle of the demise of the Democratic Party Martin Eden Nov 2014 #15
I guess it is a chronicle. It started earlier.... madfloridian Nov 2014 #27
Great post! Spot on analysis. whereisjustice Nov 2014 #21
Excellent info, thanks for the post Populist_Prole Nov 2014 #22
Exit polls show we managed to lose all of our traditional constituencies. pa28 Nov 2014 #23
Perhaps your statement about the real goal is correct. madfloridian Nov 2014 #24
+1000. "third wayers have succeeded spectacularly" Multinationals are partying hard. nt adirondacker Nov 2014 #40
I don't think the Democrats will win until Turbineguy Nov 2014 #26
The DLC, Third Way, New Democrats, etc, are to the Democratic Party what Decaf is to Coffee Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #28
All too true. madfloridian Nov 2014 #29
You, madfloridian, are after my heart and mind today... ReRe Nov 2014 #30
I found the post at Politico. Typical Will Marshall. I prefer the word liberal myself. madfloridian Nov 2014 #38
Thanks "MF" for Reminding us what has gone down the "Memory Hole" KoKo Nov 2014 #34
Lakoff had a lot of good stuff to say.. He was one of the victims of the Rahm type Democrats. madfloridian Nov 2014 #46
Overall an excellent post. cprise Nov 2014 #71
Yep .. we're screwed. Obama is going to go for Keystone, CCPI, More military escalation. On and on. YOHABLO Nov 2014 #35
Bipartisanship is just another code word for "we wanna slop up those lobbyist goodies, too." nt valerief Nov 2014 #37
...... madfloridian Nov 2014 #39
"bipartisanship" reeks of the same rotten capitulation as company bbgrunt Nov 2014 #61
The Clintons are definitely DLC/Third Way, and that was the '90s. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #42
Brings to mind what FDR said when asked if he would be a good President or a bad President: santamargarita Nov 2014 #44
k/r excellent post nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #45
I heard he was already working on the TPP. And ed reform is well on its way. madfloridian Nov 2014 #52
We can't let the TPP go through! whathehell Nov 2014 #54
My my my...not a ONE of the DUers asking questions about the Third Way is in this thread Rex Nov 2014 #50
Wait!!! There really is an honest to fricking gosh 3rd way???? Autumn Nov 2014 #53
..... madfloridian Nov 2014 #56
They are busy trying to see where the goal post will be moved to next. Rex Nov 2014 #70
Thank you for this, my dear madfloridian... CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #57
You are welcome, CAPeggy. madfloridian Nov 2014 #58
Oh, thank you for telling me...I had no idea. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #59
Well then. madfloridian Nov 2014 #60
I write the stuff I write because this is who I am. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2014 #62
A Vote For HRC Is A Vote For The DLC cantbeserious Nov 2014 #64
extra kick. nt navarth Nov 2014 #65
Thanks for the extra kick. madfloridian Nov 2014 #66
Thank YOU for this excellent thread. nt navarth Nov 2014 #72
Kick rec Teamster Jeff Nov 2014 #67
K & R neverforget Nov 2014 #68
How many of these can we count in this thread? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #69
Urge to purge:) grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #73
I find myself holding my nose when I vote anymore Not Sure Nov 2014 #74
A blog by an IL educator is an example of disillusioned teachers not voting. madfloridian Nov 2014 #75
The influence on Clinton and the formation of the New Democrats Network (NDN) madfloridian Nov 2014 #76
Truly nauseating... AzDar Nov 2014 #77
Kicked. Thanks MadFloriidian! nt mariawr Nov 2014 #78
The whole world is one big conspiracy theory. DeSwiss Nov 2014 #79
I always thoroughly appreciate your post. MF. K&R myrna minx Nov 2014 #80
Kicked and recommended a huge bunch! Enthusiast Nov 2014 #83
Thanks for bringing this to our attention MissDeeds Nov 2014 #84
AM K&R back to the top where this belongs! nt riderinthestorm Nov 2014 #85
K&R Bookmarked. Thanks. Scuba Nov 2014 #86
Oh snap!! Generic Other Nov 2014 #87
Is the DLC basically our version of their Tea Party ... ? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2014 #89
"our wars?" I'm not claiming them. Be my guest. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #90
The Corporate Suite Octafish Nov 2014 #91
Never happen. madfloridian Nov 2014 #94
SS Tax is 13.4% today. joeglow3 Nov 2014 #92
Kicking. historylovr Nov 2014 #93

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
1. Paul Wellstone and others spoke out against this takeover
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:46 PM
Nov 2014
https://archive.today/gdEuS#selection-341.0-347.420

Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone echoed Jackson's view. "There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans," he said. "I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."

It's not surprising that Jackson, Wellstone, Senator Russ Feingold, Democrat of Wisconsin, members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Congressional Black Caucus, the AFL-CIO, the venerable Americans for Democratic Action, and other upholders of traditional Democratic values are aghast at the DLC. They have seen their party taken over by an ideological force that opposes almost all of what they stand for.

progressoid

(49,990 posts)
88. And how many Senators are in the Congressional Progressive Caucus today?
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 11:31 AM
Nov 2014

ONE. Bernie Sanders.

Makes me want to start drinking in the morning.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Progressive Democrats: It starts NOW. Raise the standards, demand change, reject the past.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:50 PM
Nov 2014

...

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

With enough support, we can change the way things are done, but we have to quit falling for phonies.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
36. I love what you're saying, NYC_SKP!
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:56 PM
Nov 2014

I just posted along the line of creating our "Tea Party", to simply return to what Democrats should be about.

Grassroots, 50 State Strategy anyone?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
5. They need repeating. Too many have me on ignore for me to get "dittos dittos"
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:54 PM
Nov 2014

And that is okay with me.

We almost don't have a party that stands for the people anymore.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
16. That's good because it wasn't meant to be funny
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:15 PM
Nov 2014

But since you got it it means that something rang true in it to you

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
19. Comparing me to Rush is way over the line, even if done in a cutesy manner.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:29 PM
Nov 2014

But then again, it doesn't change the fact of our losses....does it.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
20. No I did not compare you to rush
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:31 PM
Nov 2014

I compared progressives on this board to listeners of rush. You know whatever gets posted about the DLC the Clintons whatever gets a lot of dittos and kick and Recs. An almost perfect analogy.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. He is getting so sad now, earlier this week he was on fire with the snark.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:37 PM
Nov 2014

Poor fella is running on empty now. All he can do is compare DU to Rush now...

lob1

(3,820 posts)
47. He/she always slams anyone with anything bad (truthful) to say
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:39 PM
Nov 2014

about the 3rd Way. No facts, just stupid stuff to try and get you mad. Must be one.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
48. You are not funny,
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:49 PM
Nov 2014

nor are you clever in your attempts to denigrate a fellow DUer many hold in high regard.

Our politics, like our media and our global economy, have been usurped by the corporate megalomaniacs who now run the show like it's "Kabuki theater" (just channeling Rush for you). Given the intent of capitalism, this is not surprising.

On one thing I think most can agree: our nation is facing several serious challenges, and our leadership seems intent upon securing their own wealth and power, often at the expense of their electorate.

At some point, this will change. I don't think the change will come peacefully, and I remain (rather selfishly) glad that I am in my twilight years.

I hope that you will stop directing your rather sophomoric jabs at fellow DUers. I much prefer DU when there are fewer racists, sexists, misogynists and verbal bullies.

Kermitt Gribble

(1,855 posts)
31. And a response from a known pro-DLC DUer
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:34 PM
Nov 2014

I don't think you'll get many dittos on your pro-DLC posts - people have had enough of the Third Way.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
43. Any editorials about the 15 million people newly in poverty under this administration?
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:22 PM
Nov 2014

Because those would be more current.

Your friend Rush you bring up doesn't talk about them either.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
6. Well said, thanks for the info.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 02:54 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:49 PM - Edit history (1)




In no uncertain terms, it's not your father's Democratic Party any more.


Cleita

(75,480 posts)
9. This is one of the reasons I'm not in favor of Hillary Clinton and
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:00 PM
Nov 2014

other former DLC darlings. They don't call themselves that anymore but hey are still there.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
14. I think the Koch contributions to local TP organizers
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:11 PM
Nov 2014

Had a lot to do with the rise of the Tea Baggers.

Imagine if OWS had that sort of funding.

Martin Eden

(12,867 posts)
15. Thanks for this chronicle of the demise of the Democratic Party
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:14 PM
Nov 2014

It's still called the Democratic Party, but that is is name only.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
27. I guess it is a chronicle. It started earlier....
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:09 PM
Nov 2014

but the goals were the same. They did not want to need the left wing of the party.

Yes, it is mostly name only now.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
23. Exit polls show we managed to lose all of our traditional constituencies.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:46 PM
Nov 2014

Over 65's went heavily Republican, by 15%, and only as far back as the 2006 mid term we were even in that demographic.

They also show we lost our overall number of voters with Democrats trailing Republicans by 7.9% nationally.

Most disturbing of all, (perhaps) is despite years of Democratic triangulation and "pragmatic incrementalism" that was supposed to attract the golden middle, independents rejected us by a margin of 12%.

So, if the real goal was to build a long term majority and court the middle with third way triangulation the Democratic party has failed and needs to rebuild itself from the ground up.

Alternately, if the real goal was to infiltrate and corrupt the party, creating a situation where Republicans win even when they lose third wayers have succeeded spectacularly.

I'm not sure which it is.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
24. Perhaps your statement about the real goal is correct.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 03:49 PM
Nov 2014

Well said:

"Alternately, if the real goal was to infiltrate and corrupt the party, creating a situation where Republicans win even when they lose third wayers have succeeded spectacularly."



Turbineguy

(37,331 posts)
26. I don't think the Democrats will win until
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:08 PM
Nov 2014

the republicans fail. The only way that can happen is when the majority of voters realize how bad republican policies are.

Of course, deaths will be attributed to a variety of other causes as was the case in the Great Depression.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
28. The DLC, Third Way, New Democrats, etc, are to the Democratic Party what Decaf is to Coffee
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:14 PM
Nov 2014

or termites are to housing.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
30. You, madfloridian, are after my heart and mind today...
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:29 PM
Nov 2014
K&R

I had to mark this to come back to later, as I have something very pressing that I have to do this afternoon.

One thing I want to mention is I think we need to get away from the "Progressive" word. The PPI (Progressive Policy Institute," which is stealing the thunder of the name we chose to differentiate ourselves from the DLCer Third-Wayers. If you want to know what I am talking about, go read an article put out by the Pres of PPI on 10-10-2014. It's a long one, but it spells itself all out if you can slog through to the end of it. Google the following words as written:

How To Save the Democratic Party from Itself Will Marshall

Later. Thanks mf

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
38. I found the post at Politico. Typical Will Marshall. I prefer the word liberal myself.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:59 PM
Nov 2014
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/democratic-party-moderates-111770.html

These 2 paragraphs stand out and just about define the whole article.

The Muzzled Center

Unfortunately, such problem-solving pragmatism is currently out of fashion. Actually, it’s worse than that: Politicians who try to break the partisan impasse risk self-immolation. A Republican who reaches out to Democrats on immigration or some other highly charged issue risks being “primaried” and mauled by political goon squads with gobs of money, like the Club for Growth, Americans for Prosperity and Heritage Action. When even powerful GOP leaders like Mitch McConnell and Eric Cantor are attacked by the right as squishes, you know the conservative revolution has begun to devour its own.

Pressure to conform is mounting on the other side, too. An array of powerful interest groups, plus self-appointed ideological minders like MoveOn and the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, are quick to pounce on Democrats who deviate from leftish orthodoxy by, say, supporting trade agreements, real accountability in education, changes in entitlements, development of America’s shale-gas windfall and efforts to lower regulatory obstacles to entrepreneurship. The wealthy liberals of the Democracy Alliance aren’t investing in new ideas; they are building a “progressive infrastructure” by lavishing money on think tanks and advocacy groups that think exactly as they do. The result is a liberal groupthink that stands guard over the programmatic status quo and stifles public innovation
.

Thanks for mentioning that article. I consider myself part of the "liberal groupthink" he so insultingly refers to.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
34. Thanks "MF" for Reminding us what has gone down the "Memory Hole"
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 04:55 PM
Nov 2014

that needs to be revisited for us to move forward as Progressive Democrats.

So much disruption and disinformation distracts us from reflecting on causes for why we are where we are these days politically.

I spent some time this morning re-reading old articles by George Lakoff the Linguistics Professor at MIT who wrote his first book in 1997 and whose articles on how Democrats need to be better at "Framing" Progressive issues caused quite a stir on the Dem Blogging Scene in 2003. It was incredible reading those older articles and realizing how, even though his work was taken seriously by Dem Progressive Bloggers, it somehow never got into practice in effective ways for the rest of the Dem Party.

He has done some YouTubes through the years and this one is about the "ACA" and how it could have been successfully "Framed" by Democrats to counteract the attacks of the Republicans. He gets a little wonky in the middle about his research on the Brain but it's worth staying with the video to be reminded of something we should have learned to do better by now.

----------

George Lakoff, "Retaking Political Discourse"

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
46. Lakoff had a lot of good stuff to say.. He was one of the victims of the Rahm type Democrats.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:35 PM
Nov 2014
http://integral-options.blogspot.com/2008/08/who-framed-george-lakoff.html

And once the Dean campaign embraced his message, the more centrist part of the party went after him.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/4780

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
61. "bipartisanship" reeks of the same rotten capitulation as company
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:29 PM
Nov 2014

unions. A historical and devastating method of castrating the power of the people.

santamargarita

(3,170 posts)
44. Brings to mind what FDR said when asked if he would be a good President or a bad President:
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:29 PM
Nov 2014

He said, "if I'm not a good President, I'll be the last President!

If we get one more Bush type that steals an election, I think we'll be done for as a free country.

The baggers are nothing more than mouthpieces for the rich. We have to go nose-to-nose with these anti-American assholes no matter what it takes and go back to high taxes for the rich.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
45. k/r excellent post
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 05:34 PM
Nov 2014


Now I believe we are looking at the XL pipeline being okayed, the safety nets cut for seniors, schools finally privatized, more troops sent to our wars around the world.


The TPP will be fast tracked, it is in BOTH parties 2012 platform and Obama is currently on his way to China to press for it.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/11/07/road-ahead-president-obama-travels-asia-pacific

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
52. I heard he was already working on the TPP. And ed reform is well on its way.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 06:13 PM
Nov 2014

I hate to say I feel so discouraged...but I do.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
50. My my my...not a ONE of the DUers asking questions about the Third Way is in this thread
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 06:02 PM
Nov 2014

You would think people starved for information, would be reading this thread to learn more. I guess they all went to lunch or something.

I'll help keep this thread kicked so they don't miss it.

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
53. Wait!!! There really is an honest to fricking gosh 3rd way????
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 06:13 PM
Nov 2014

So? Where's everybody at who say this doesn't exist ? Waiting for Godot? I was very tickled to be the first one to rec this early this morning.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
70. They are busy trying to see where the goal post will be moved to next.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 09:00 PM
Nov 2014

I was depressed about the mid-terms, then this strange little group of self-appointed nobodies came along and had a major meltdown at the mention of a group of investment bankers...lifted my spirits a little watching them wriggle about in frustration as 99% of DUers laughed them out of the room.

Seem they are really stuck now, nobody bought their 'it's a meaningless term' bullshit, nobody bought their 'doesn't exist must be a conspiracy theory' bullshit, nobody bought their 'I can't use the internet to google something' bullshit.

ALL over the exposure of a group of libertarian investment bankers...which of course they hate, cuz you know they HATE libertarians...ayup.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,620 posts)
57. Thank you for this, my dear madfloridian...
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 06:57 PM
Nov 2014

I have read it carefully and also bookmarked it for further reading. You have written out all the things I have dimly felt. Now I understand.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
58. You are welcome, CAPeggy.
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 07:10 PM
Nov 2014

Thank you for all your kind posts here. They have meant a lot to me through the years.

Not Sure

(735 posts)
74. I find myself holding my nose when I vote anymore
Sun Nov 9, 2014, 11:49 PM
Nov 2014

It seems like the Democratic Party candidates I have to choose from are often to the right of Republicans I voted against 20 years ago. I'm getting tired of getting farther and farther away from my views being represented at all.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
75. A blog by an IL educator is an example of disillusioned teachers not voting.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 12:20 AM
Nov 2014

I am really surprised at this about Pat Quinn. From blogger/ educator Fred Klonsky.

I Didn’t Vote for Pat Quinn, Because He’s Trying to Destroy My Pension

I did not vote in the election for Illinois Governor on Tuesday, and I did not vote during the period that Illinois allowed for early voting.

My abstention wasn't an act of apathy or disinterest. It was an act of conviction.

....At a 1970 Constitutional Convention, language was added to the Illinois Constitution that specifically forbid the legislature from diminishing or impairing our pensions. And yet on December 3, 2013, that is exactly what the Democratic Party-controlled General Assembly did. And Governor Pat Quinn signed it into law. The bill is currently being fought over in court.

Quinn had declared that he was put on this earth to solve the pension problem. But the problem of the one hundred billion dollar debt cannot be solved by cutting benefits—it can only be solved by raising revenue.

I am a retired teacher and a former local union president. I am now head of my local chapter of retired teachers in the Illinois Education Association, an affiliate of the National Education Association. In the two years since my retirement, I have written articles, made speeches, attended countless meetings, lobbied state legislators and generally been as much a pain in the ass about pensions as I could possibly be.


Fred quotes a Illinois state Democratic when asked why they were taking their pension money.

She answered:

A teacher in the audience angrily stood and accused Representative Nekritz of stealing money from our pension fund. A smirking Nekritz responded, “We didn’t steal it. We never put it in there in the first place.”


He states that Gov. Quinn was responsible for a law gutting tenure and seniority protection.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
76. The influence on Clinton and the formation of the New Democrats Network (NDN)
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 02:33 AM
Nov 2014
https://archive.today/gdEuS#selection-417.0-435.355

DLC operatives assumed key roles in Clinton's campaign. And they simply gritted their teeth when the 1992 Democratic nominee jettisoned the DLC line for the more populist "putting people first" rhetoric that would ultimately carry him to the White House with crucial support drawn from labor, minority, and feminist constituencies.

Clinton's 1992 scramble away from DLC language came as no surprise. He can read a public opinion survey as well as the next politician. As Democratic pollster and Clinton confidant Stanley Greenberg noted several years ago, the President's approval numbers did not begin to rise "until he rejected the advice of conservatives of the party" and began to adopt populist and distinctly non-DLC rhetoric on issues ranging from tax policy to protecting Social Security.

Clinton learned early on the dangers of following the DLC line too closely. After the 1992 election, giddy New Democrats inside and outside the Administration did much to define the first two years of the Clinton Presidency. The result was the worst Democratic electoral setback of the century--a sweeping rejection of the party caused, in no small measure, by the failure of millions of working class voters to go to the polls. They were angered by Clinton's over-the-top backing of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), a DLC signature issue.

After the 1994 election, DLC cadres set about shaping political structures that would give it greater influence within the Congressional Democratic caucus. They formed the New Democrat Network, a well-funded group dedicated to electing and reelecting corporation-friendly Democrats. It expanded the House membership after both the 1996 and 1998 elections.
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
79. The whole world is one big conspiracy theory.
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 08:08 AM
Nov 2014
- And unfortunately, it's true.

K&R

A poll taken by the wallstreet journal and the ny times and the christian science monitor, together they showed that 75 percent of the public doesn't believe what they read in the newspapers anymore, the percentage who don't believe what they see on tv news is even higher, it's like 85 percent. We all know the bastards are lying to us and they get away with it because people are used to yes or no, every 4 years to give us the sense that democracy still exists they give us 2 goddamn motherfucking liars, I like shakespearian english, down to earth english that describes what I'm talking about. I don't like prissy little euphemisms, so they give us 2 goddamn motherfucking lying bastards sons of bitches and they say choose between them you are, you can have a choice, which lying bastard do you prefer to the other lying bastard?

Obviously, the faster we process information, the more rich and complex our models or glosses — our reality-tunnels — will become. Resistance to new information, however, has a strong neurological foundation in all animals, as indicated by studies of imprinting and conditioning. Most animals, including most domesticated primates (humans) show a truly staggering ability to "ignore" certain kinds of information — that which does not "fit" their imprinted/conditioned reality-tunnel. We generally call this "conservatism" or "stupidity", but it appears in all parts of the political spectrum, and in learned societies as well as in the Ku Klux Klan.


~Robert Anton Wilson, Quantum Psychology

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
83. Kicked and recommended a huge bunch!
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 09:04 AM
Nov 2014

Thank you, madfloridian!

Yeah! How is Third Way's position on Social Security any different than that of George W Bush? His position was soundly rejected by everyone. How is this a winning position?

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
84. Thanks for bringing this to our attention
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:05 AM
Nov 2014

It's sickening to see how some are trying to destroy the core of the Democratic Party and rewrite its time honored values for their own purpose - and gain.

You are a treasure, madfloridian. Thanks for your excellent posts over the years.



K&R

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
87. Oh snap!!
Mon Nov 10, 2014, 10:36 AM
Nov 2014

Madfloridian reminds me of an old school Democrat -- the kind with a backbone!! My kind of Democrat.

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