OK, Liz Warren isn't an ideal candidate for President in 2016.

[Jackpine Radical]

Partly because there is no such thing as an ideal candidate.

In the absence thereof, I'll settle for a candidate with ideals.

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. there is NO such thing....NO candidate will EVER do only those things YOU like...

that is looking for a Hero....

And I want a candidate that can WIN....I don't want to find out what happens when all 3 branches are Republican controlled..

Get back to us when Liz can poll win against ANY Republican.....

[LWolf]

12. I don't have heroes.

At least, not public heroes. My heroes are the mothers, the grandmothers, the teachers, the librarians, the mechanics, electricians, plumbers, nurses, firefighters, and others who, without any public recognition, and without wanting or needing that recognition, are always working to make sure others are okay, to get them what they need.

I don't think there's any such thing as a politician who can be a hero.

Yet, there are some politicians who deserve more support than others. For me, those who stand a line, who defend our position and fight to move the line forward to the left deserve more support than those that are constantly compromising and shifting us to the right.

And, of course, I define "winning" differently than some. "Winning" is electing someone who will stand that line. Electing someone who won't, regardless of their supposed political affiliation, is a loss in my score book.

Warren is worth looking at, anyway. She's certainly not "pure" from my perspective; she's been a Republican. Her time as a Republican, though, means that she has the background to pull in disenfranchised Rs as well as Ds, which does NOT add up to "can't win."

I think she carries less baggage than HRC, if the only goal you can see is to "WIN" an election.

I don't know that I'd support her, should she decide to run; there might be someone better out there. That remains to be seen when the primaries swing into high gear. Meanwhile, though, even though she's supposedly not running, I'm a hell of a lot likelier to cast a vote her way in ANY election than to HRC. HRC, in my book, is not now, and never will be, a "winner."

[VanillaRhapsody]

13. We are talking about politicians here....

I don't care what Left Leaning Independents think about Mrs. Clinton think actually.

and YES I do want to WIN..don't YOU? Will your "higher moral sensibilities" keep you warm at night if a Republican wins 2016?

My goal is NOT to find out what Republican controlled 3 branches of government is like....YMMV!

[LWolf]

23. That's why I said I don't have heroes.

Because we're talking about politicians. YOU brought up heroes.

Yes...I want to WIN. Electing someone who won't fight, someone who will keep up the myth of "compromise," as if that's possible with Republicans, moving us further and further to the right, is not a win.

My goal is to elect someone who will stand his or her ground and fight the right. No more throwing traditional sections of the Democratic base: women, the left, education, labor, the environment, etc., under the bus. THAT is a WIN.

[Thinkingabout]

41. Did you know Warren is just about in tge same exact spot in their ratings.

If HRC is too far right then EW is too far right. EW was comfortable on the right until a few years when she went left with HRC.

[LWolf]

63. Depends upon whose ratings you are depending upon, doesn't it? nt

[Scuba]

60. I want to win, and am sure I would lose with Hillary as POTUS. Pro war, pro TPP, pro H1B's etc., etc

[TheBlackAdder]

27. True. At the end of an election, all that matters is a checkmark in the WIN Box. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. as long as that win box wasn't a Republican yes...

[TheBlackAdder]

30. That goes without saying. :-)

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. Okay cool...I thought it was something facetious...

[backwoodsbob]

36. if winning is all that matters

maybe we should try to talk Jeb into switching parties and running for us.He polls good against any Repug challenger and winning is all that matters

[brooklynite]

2. Personally, I'd look for a candidate who actually wants the job...

...but that's just me.

[LeftishBrit]

4. Actually I sometimes think that only candidates who DON'T want the job should be eligible!

[Jackpine Radical]

6. I pretty much take that as an article of faith.

[U4ikLefty]

56. ...and she loves Wall Street

so that' probably fine with you as well.

[99Forever]

3. Agreed.

[MoonRiver]

5. Pssssst,

she's not running.

[RiverLover]

7. Pssst.

No one is officially running yet.

[MoonRiver]

8. She's been pretty clear she's not running.

I love her, but don't think she'll be in the primaries.

[Autumn]

9. There are no ideal candidates. But some are much better than others. Bernie2016!

And if Liz changed her mind I would be happy.

[Veilex]

17. +1

[VanillaRhapsody]

29. Let us know when you find one that can win in 2016!

[Autumn]

33. My friend! Where have you been?

[VanillaRhapsody]

35. Living my life...

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4

[Autumn]

37. Don't you just love the way a new car smells?

[VanillaRhapsody]

38. I love it when women like Hillary Clinton make the Whitehouse smell better...

[Autumn]

39. Are you ready for Thankgiving?

[VanillaRhapsody]

40. I am not interested in a Thanksgiving invite either...I already have plans...

[Autumn]

43. Oh sorry you misunderstood. I would never invite you for a holiday dinner

so please don't embarrass yourself by hinting that I invite you. When a person asks if you are ready for a holiday or something like that it's just making casual POLITE conversation. I thought you would want to be DU friends because you always find me and respond to me.

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. no i didn't misunderstand...

I understood perfectly clearly

[Le Taz Hot]

10. She's my ideal candidate

as is Bernie Sanders. Neither are bought and paid for by Wall Street. If either can get the Democratic nomination we have a chance to take back the soul of this country.

[Veilex]

16. +1

[Cleita]

19. +2

[Thinkingabout]

42. Are you sure? Warren has accepted donations from corporations. Bernie would also tell you

Corporation funding for a presidential run is necessary. If the don't get funding from corporations are you in position to furnish the financial needs of a presidential candidate? Warren spent $42 m on a senator campaign, multiply that times 50 states and if you can write them a check they may not need corporate donations.

[Le Taz Hot]

45. Accepting money from corporations is NOT the same

as being 100% controlled by Wall Street. I'd say good try but this one's old already.

Now, if the Wall-Street-controlled Establishment Democratic Party would like to re-instate the 50-state strategy, ensuring NO federal contest goes uncontested, the money would follow. But we all know that's not going to happen so it will be up to We the People to get it done and that will take a Warren or a Sanders.

[Thinkingabout]

47. A corporation giving money to a candidate expects access from that candidate.

We the people better open their pocketbooks, big time. Warren has already accepted money from Wall Street corporations, is she controlled by them? Yep, that is why they donated.

[Le Taz Hot]

48. Let's end this silly interchange.

Draw a line from Warren receiving corporate monies to Warren providing advocacy, cover, or introduction of legislation that directly benefited those same corporations.

[Thinkingabout]

49. The same line drawn from corporations to any candidate. I can not see so much hell raising about

Corporations giving money to Democrat campaigns, it helps get our candidates elected. As mostly middle class are Democrats and lots do not have big money to contribute so we have to be generous to corporate money. Besides this many depend on corporations as employers, don't get the whining.

[Le Taz Hot]

50. You keep using "corporations" and "Wall Street" interchangeably.

I pointed that out earlier but for some reason you're still going for it.

[Thinkingabout]

53. If I remember there arevlots of corporations associated with Wall Street, Goldman

Which talked about a lot here on DU is a corporation. Corporations stocks are traded on the stock market, those trades goes through brokers and mainly tied to corporations. What difference does it make if is a Wall street corporation or other corporations?

[lumpy]

59. What are Liz Warren's Democratic credentials and accomplishments for the

presidency?

[RiverLover]

62. Here's a start~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren

http://elizabethwarren.com/

One of MANY videos on youtube. It should really help you get to know her~

On Rachel Maddow, "This is why Democrats want Warren to run"

[RiverLover]

11. If Warren runs, she can win—but it’s up to us to make it happen. Add your name!!

Only 7,482 signatures as of this am. Not enough.

Please help encourage her to run!

https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/draft-elizabeth-warren

[sadoldgirl]

21. Thanks and DONE

[Thinkingabout]

44. She needs lots of funds, she accepted corporate funds fod her senate run, she will need much more

For a president run. She will need about $250 million to get started.

[MisterP]

14. or someone who doesn't say they're to the right of Nixon

[Veilex]

15. Absofreakinlutely!

[TheNutcracker]

18. On the women's side I like Amy Klobuchar but she's not running either. Still with Sanders.

[Cleita]

20. We need a grass roots campaign for her, a real one,

not the fake one that's being run for the other woman candidate. We need it to push her into running.

[brooklynite]

24. Ah, the "fake" campaign....with the "fake" 3 million supporters?

and the "fake" 17 million votes in 2008?

[Cleita]

25. The "ready for Hillary" astroturf was founded to entice her to

run so they say. When so many people want her to run, it looks like she just couldn't say no. So some Democratic insiders have spilled the beans that it was done by a bunch of the same Clinton insiders who have been around forever to make it look like that. This is why I really don't like her. All this Game of Thrones style plotting and planning is not coming from the grass roots. But why would you care? You don't strike me as one of her fans.

[VanillaRhapsody]

31. Astroturf you say?

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4


I don't know about you but I want to WIN!

[VanillaRhapsody]

34. Yeah...

Ohio: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 46, Christie 39 Clinton +7
Ohio: Paul vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Paul 40 Clinton +9
Ohio: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 48, Bush 38 Clinton +10
Ohio: Perry vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 49, Perry 39 Clinton +10
Ohio: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Kasich 43 Clinton +4

[sadoldgirl]

22. we need a grass root campaign

for both: Sanders and Warren.

At least one of them has to run outside of the anointed one.

[Cleita]

26. Yes, we do. eom

[Thinkingabout]

46. Grassroots and about $250 million to start, gets your checkbooks out.

[brooklynite]

52. I'd say your grassroots campaign has two immense problems to solve...

The first is that Elizabeth Warren really, really, really doesn't want to run for President. She's been emphatic on this point. Maybe she honestly doesn't like the idea. Maybe she feels obligated to the voters who elected her Senator from Massachusetts. Whatever the answer, you're facing the task of convincing her to change her mind. And your times running out. If you can't change her mind almost immediately, she won't have the time to do the political and financial organizing that's required for a two year effort.

The second is even more daunting. Your grass-roots campaign needs to.....organizing an actual grass-roots campaign. And from what I see, all the Warren supporters here seem to want to do is blog to each other about how great it would be if she ran for President. Now, I've said before that I have no problem with her running, if she wants to. But what I'd like to avoid is a lot of whining that you were prevented from getting to vote for a suitably progressive alternative to Clinton when she doesn't end up running.

I'm reminded of the fable of belling the cat. So, who's going to step out from behind their keyboard and actually organize this effort you all claim to want?

[hrmjustin]

51. I support Hillary but I think Warren would be a great candidate.

[RiverLover]

54. Yay! Good to hear you say that hrmjustin. You're right of course.

[hrmjustin]

55. .

[U4ikLefty]

57. I will never vote for Hillary.

never

[lumpy]

58. Has there been any listings of Liz Warrens accomplishments and political

experience? Have seen beaucoup listings for H.Clinton but little from Warren's supporters.

[RiverLover]

61. Here's a start~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren

http://elizabethwarren.com/

One of MANY videos on youtube. It should really help you get to know her~

On Rachel Maddow, "This is why Democrats want Warren to run"