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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 07:34 PM Nov 2014

Hillary's Nightmare? A Democratic Party That Realizes Its Soul Lies With Elizabeth Warren

Hillary's Nightmare? A Democratic Party That Realizes Its Soul Lies With Elizabeth Warren
By Noam Scheiber

We’re three years from the next presidential election, and Hillary Clinton is, once again, the inevitable Democratic nominee. Congressional Republicans have spent months investigating her like she already resides in the White House. The New York Times has its own dedicated Clinton correspondent, whose job it is to chronicle everything from Hillary’s summer accommodations (“CLINTONS FIND A NEW PLACE TO VACATION IN THE HAMPTONS”) to her distinct style of buckraking (“IN CLINTON FUNDRAISING, EXPECT A FULL EMBRACE”). There is a feature-length Hillary biopic in the works, and a well-funded super PAC—“Ready for Hillary”—bent on easing her way into the race. And then there is Clinton herself, who sounds increasingly candidential. Since leaving the State Department, Clinton has already delivered meaty, headline-grabbing orations on voting rights and Syria.

Yet for all the astrophysical force of these developments, anyone who lived through 2008 knows that inevitable candidates have a way of becoming distinctly evitable. With the Clintons’ penchant for melodrama and their checkered cast of hangers-on—one shudders to consider the embarrassments that will attend the Terry McAuliffe administration in Virginia—Clinton-era nostalgia is always a news cycle away from curdling into Clinton fatigue. Sometimes, all it takes is a single issue and a fresh face to bring the bad memories flooding back.

...On one side is a majority of Democratic voters, who are angrier, more disaffected, and altogether more populist than they’ve been in years. They are more attuned to income inequality than before the Obama presidency and more supportive of Social Security and Medicare.1 They’ve grown fonder of regulation and more skeptical of big business.2 A recent Pew poll showed that voters under 30—who skew overwhelmingly Democratic—view socialism more favorably than capitalism. Above all, Democrats are increasingly hostile to Wall Street and believe the government should rein it in.

...Which brings us to the probable face of the insurgency. In addition to being strongly identified with the party’s populist wing, any candidate who challenged Clinton would need several key assets. The candidate would almost certainly have to be a woman, given Democrats’ desire to make history again. She would have to amass huge piles of money with relatively little effort. Above all, she would have to awaken in Democratic voters an almost evangelical passion. As it happens, there is precisely such a person. Her name is Elizabeth Warren
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115509/elizabeth-warren-hillary-clintons-nightmare


This guy NAILS it!!

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Hillary's Nightmare? A Democratic Party That Realizes Its Soul Lies With Elizabeth Warren (Original Post) RiverLover Nov 2014 OP
A primary will sort all this out. I support Hillary but if someone else wins the nomination hrmjustin Nov 2014 #1
"Hillary's Nightmare" A Democrat Party That Realizes It Wants A Candidate With A Soul." nt TheBlackAdder Nov 2014 #2
Ha!! Thanks, TBA, you made me spit coffee with that one!! RiverLover Nov 2014 #3
Bwah! bigwillq Nov 2014 #4
I think we should go with Warren's choice for President... brooklynite Nov 2014 #5
That was then, this is now: RiverLover Nov 2014 #6
If you want to believe in a People Mgazine story, dream on..... brooklynite Nov 2014 #7
Wow, digging deep here. How about The Nation? Will that suffice? RiverLover Nov 2014 #8
No, it simply refers back to People Magazine. brooklynite Nov 2014 #14
Wait, you post a year-old article in your OP... SidDithers Nov 2014 #9
Still applies perfectly. We ARE more populist than ever. RiverLover Nov 2014 #11
Quick question: who actually READ the People article...as opposed to the analysis of it? brooklynite Nov 2014 #16
Saying Hillary should run is not the same as declaring Marr Nov 2014 #13
Elizabeth Warren: I hope Hillary Clinton runs for president baldguy Nov 2014 #10
Could Elizabeth Warren Threaten Hillary Clinton’s Nomination? RiverLover Nov 2014 #12
"Hillary Clinton is, once again, the inevitable Democratic nominee." woo me with science Nov 2014 #15
and this is the "Contras R soooo grate" TNR, mind you MisterP Nov 2014 #17
Hey! Killing people also worked in Honduras and Libya! Octafish Nov 2014 #23
We should all just roll over and join the Clinton Coma davidpdx Nov 2014 #18
I particularly like the indignation at the idea that there would even be actual primaries Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #19
Just when was this written? DFW Nov 2014 #20
Warren is one of us, but that doesn't make her our leader. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #21
Fascinating how some DUers are trying to convince themselves that EW won't run. Scuba Nov 2014 #22
DU's nightmare: the Republican presidency that would probably (although not certainly) result. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2014 #24
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
1. A primary will sort all this out. I support Hillary but if someone else wins the nomination
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 07:39 PM
Nov 2014

I will support them. And I hope we can all support Hillary if she is the nominee.

brooklynite

(94,548 posts)
5. I think we should go with Warren's choice for President...
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 09:54 PM
Nov 2014

Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she hopes Hillary Rodham Clinton runs for president in 2016 — the latest in a series of declarations of support by the Massachusetts Democrat, who some have speculated could seek the Oval Office herself.

"All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific," Warren said during an interview broadcast Sunday on ABC's "This Week," noting that she was one of several senators to sign a letter urging Clinton to run in 2016.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/27/elizabeth-warren-i-hope-hillary-clinton-runs-for-president/

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
6. That was then, this is now:
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 09:59 PM
Nov 2014
Sagrans: "We saw (Elizabeth Warren) open the door to running with the People magazine article she did. She said you never know what could happen in response to a question about 2016. She is considering it. She hasn’t made a decision yet.

We have this opportunity to convince her to run.

We've got retired women in Iowa working on this, a pretty active group in New York, a leader in Connecticut, somebody on the ground in Florida. People who have popped up and asked how they can help all over the map. We are also going to ramp up our focus on the early states, Iowa and New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada and raise money to hire state coordinators and build stronger local teams in those places.

And we are going to focus on an aggressive media[strategy] and doing a lot of video and we will get them to Warren and to the public about why people are calling on her to run."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/11/18/how-elizabeth-warren-is-already-influencing-the-2016-race/

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
9. Wait, you post a year-old article in your OP...
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 10:17 PM
Nov 2014

then complain when someone else posts something that's 7 months old?



Sid

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
11. Still applies perfectly. We ARE more populist than ever.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 10:19 PM
Nov 2014

& everything else it said. Nothing has changed in a year.

brooklynite

(94,548 posts)
16. Quick question: who actually READ the People article...as opposed to the analysis of it?
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:43 PM
Nov 2014
But is the freshman senator from Massachusetts herself on board with a run for the White House? Warren wrinkles her nose.

"I don't think so," she tells PEOPLE in an interview conducted at Warren's Cambridge, Massachusetts, home for this week's issue.
http://www.people.com/article/elizabeth-warren-interview-youtube-treasury-secretary-hillary-clinton


Now, if you want hand your hat on that, be my guest.

FWIW, My article, which dates only six month back, is her acknowledgement that she encouraged Clinton to run, which is pretty much what she said at the private lunch I was at with her in September.
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
13. Saying Hillary should run is not the same as declaring
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 10:29 PM
Nov 2014

Hillary your choice for the Presidency. I'm surprised to see this silly assertion still being repeated.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
15. "Hillary Clinton is, once again, the inevitable Democratic nominee."
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:26 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Mon Nov 24, 2014, 04:27 AM - Edit history (1)

What a marvelous first sentence.

The entire absurdity of the corporate con game/charade, summed up in one perfectly revealing clause.

"Once again..." after losing last time.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
19. I particularly like the indignation at the idea that there would even be actual primaries
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 05:31 AM
Nov 2014

or any challengers at all, for that matter.

YOU HAVE TO SUPPORT HER IN THE PRIMARIES YOU HAVE NO CHOICE NO CHOICE SHE'S INEVITABLE

JUST LIKE LAST TIME

DFW

(54,378 posts)
20. Just when was this written?
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 05:55 AM
Nov 2014

THREE years away from the next presidential election? So this was written over a year ago.

And why is this a nightmare for anyone? If Hillary gets the nomination with Elizabeth Warren whispering in her ear the whole time, I can live with that.

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
21. Warren is one of us, but that doesn't make her our leader.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 06:12 AM
Nov 2014

Only the desire to lead and the talent for leadership can do that.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
22. Fascinating how some DUers are trying to convince themselves that EW won't run.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 09:14 AM
Nov 2014

Of course the Third Way and their disciples fear Warren, so I guess it makes sense.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
24. DU's nightmare: the Republican presidency that would probably (although not certainly) result.
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 09:30 AM
Nov 2014

Yes, *if elected*, Warren would probably make a better president than Clinton.

But Warren would be even less likely to win than Clinton, and the odds are already against Clinton - since the war, the only time a party has held the presidency for more than 8 years in a row was Reagan/HW Bush - every other time, the electorate has decided that 8 years was enough.

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