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neverforget

(9,436 posts)
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:31 PM Nov 2014

GOP plots pathetic new ways to pester Obama: Don’t let him give a State of the Union!

GOP plots pathetic new ways to pester Obama: Don’t let him give a State of the Union!

The strategy is designed to keep the government open, while satisfying the base, which is livid with President Back Obama for issuing an executive order that ends deportations for millions of undocumented immigrants.

Sure, whatever. But will this be enough for the hotheads? On the one hand, they, being members of Congress, are probably not interested in working any more days than they have to, so they may be willing to go along with a plan that allows them to save face while kicking the problem into the new year. But the problem will still be around in the new year. Many times, apparently, if the idea is to vote on “immigration enforcement related funding” every 10 minutes. How many times will these Constitution-protecting Tea Party patriot members of Congress have to vote to Fund the Illegal Amnesty? Or will they just allow “immigration enforcement related funding” to lapse for an extended period of time?

The far-right elements will need some sort of bonus sweetener to go along with this plan. Politico lists several of the options floating around. You may have seen most of them by now. But there’s one that we hadn’t heard about yet. Can you guess? (HINT: It’s the one we’ve put in bold.)

GOP aides and lawmakers say they expect the leadership to consider additional legislation to address the executive order, but there have been no decisions made on what those bills would look like. There are lots of ideas: Texas Sen. Ted Cruz has signaled he would hold up some of Obama’s executive branch nominees, others privately have been musing about shutting the government down, refusing to invite the president to give his State of the Union address or censuring the president. Many in congressional leadership think these ideas are nonsensical, since it will not serve any practical purpose.




I'm at a loss for words but I do know this: they're a bunch of fucking lunatics.
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GOP plots pathetic new ways to pester Obama: Don’t let him give a State of the Union! (Original Post) neverforget Nov 2014 OP
The republicans are so totally fucked up words pale to describe how utterly stupid RKP5637 Nov 2014 #1
I hope they do this. It will lead to their doom. roguevalley Nov 2014 #25
One would think right? neverforget Nov 2014 #26
OFFS! What's next? Marie Marie Nov 2014 #2
And they are not even in charge yet. yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #3
hmm, I do believe the state of the union address is a constitutional requirement. niyad Nov 2014 #4
and then the GOP would attack him for not giving one. The GOP calls that a win-win. nt TeamPooka Nov 2014 #11
Article II, Section 3 states the following... Spazito Nov 2014 #12
I don't think Old Codger Nov 2014 #19
Yes, he need only inform Congress, the method used is at the President's discretion... Spazito Nov 2014 #20
Before Wilson, presidents would send a written message to Congress Retrograde Nov 2014 #15
Ah, yeah. I should really read all replies before I post (nt) Recursion Nov 2014 #23
It wasn't in person until IIRC Woodrow Wilson. It used to just be a letter. Recursion Nov 2014 #22
That would be great for him to give it Gman Nov 2014 #5
Such cynical theater. Such bullshit. woo me with science Nov 2014 #6
Singing the same, tired one note I see n/t Spazito Nov 2014 #13
Only the tone deaf think it's one note nt nichomachus Nov 2014 #30
Yep, we get theater. Marr Nov 2014 #21
Too bad Obama can't use an executive order to outlaw happy hour in Washigton D.C. bars aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #7
Lol! neverforget Nov 2014 #29
they don't even pretend to hide their hatred. f.u.c.k.t.h.e.m. spanone Nov 2014 #8
Their hatred knows no bounds. neverforget Nov 2014 #16
Not lunatics, RACISTS jaysunb Nov 2014 #9
and full of hatred. Euphoria Nov 2014 #14
Yes, they are. IMO most republicans are racists, not all, but most IMO. If one listens carefully to RKP5637 Nov 2014 #28
Nutty nuts getting dangerously nuttier! riversedge Nov 2014 #10
Republican behavior... Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #17
I really, truly, do not think liberalhistorian Nov 2014 #18
A POTUS perp walk! vlyons Nov 2014 #24
We will see quaker bill Nov 2014 #27

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
1. The republicans are so totally fucked up words pale to describe how utterly stupid
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:35 PM
Nov 2014

and backward they are.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
2. OFFS! What's next?
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:37 PM
Nov 2014

Send him to bed without supper?
Make him write 100 times - I will not do any more Executive Orders?
Ground him for a month?
Take his cell phone away?

You are so right neverforget - they ARE a bunch of f'ing lunatics.

niyad

(113,323 posts)
4. hmm, I do believe the state of the union address is a constitutional requirement.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:42 PM
Nov 2014

and con scholars out there to address that?

Spazito

(50,349 posts)
12. Article II, Section 3 states the following...
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:54 PM
Nov 2014

"He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States."

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
19. I don't think
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 01:15 AM
Nov 2014

That he is required to meet them in person in order to present a state of the union, he isn't even required to present it every year...
During most of the country's first century, the President primarily just submitted a written report to Congress. With the advent of radio and television, the address is now broadcast live across the country on most networks.

While not required to deliver a speech, every president since Woodrow Wilson, with notable exception of Herbert Hoover,[5] has made at least one State of the Union report as a speech delivered before a joint session of Congress. Before that time, most presidents delivered the State of the Union as a written.

Spazito

(50,349 posts)
20. Yes, he need only inform Congress, the method used is at the President's discretion...
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 01:19 AM
Nov 2014

as you say, the tradition of actually going before Congress to do so has been a long-standing one.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
15. Before Wilson, presidents would send a written message to Congress
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:06 AM
Nov 2014

Obama could always do that, and give a separate address to the sane people in this country - but the networks would refuse to carry it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
22. It wasn't in person until IIRC Woodrow Wilson. It used to just be a letter.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 02:32 AM
Nov 2014

I mean, Obama could buy them a subscription to the NYT and his Constitutional duty would be fulfilled.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
5. That would be great for him to give it
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:45 PM
Nov 2014

From the WH with only Democrats. And make the focus gridlock because of the GOP. They're too nuts tobe careful what they ask for as they just might get it.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
6. Such cynical theater. Such bullshit.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:46 PM
Nov 2014

It's united oligarchy, not gridlocked democracy.

This is all theater to rally us into our Red and Blue teams, so we will not notice this:


US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study
http://www.businessinsider.com/major-study-finds-that-the-us-is-an-oligarchy-2014-4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024819356

Mass spying on Americans? Both parties support it.
Handing the internet to corporations? Both parties support it.
Austerity for the masses? Both parties support it.
Cutting social safety nets? Both parties support it.
Corporatists in the cabinet? Both parties support it.
Tolling our interstate highways? Both parties support it.
Corporate education policy? Both parties support it.
Bank bailouts? Both parties support it.
Ignoring the trillions stashed overseas? Both parties support it.
Trans-Pacific Job/Wage Killing Secret Agreement? Both parties support it.
TISA corporate overlord agreement? Both parties support it.
Drilling and fracking? Both parties support it.
Wars on medical marijuana instead of corrupt banks? Both parties support it.
Deregulation of the food industry? Both parties support it.
GMO's? Both parties support it.
Privatization of the TVA? Both parties support it.
Immunity for telecoms? Both parties support it.
"Looking forward" and letting war criminals off the hook? Both parties support it.
Deciding torturers are patriots? Both parties support it.
Militarized police and assaults on protesters? Both parties support it.
Indefinite detention? Both parties support it.
Drone wars and kill lists? Both parties support it.
Targeting of journalists and whistleblowers? Both parties support it.
Private prisons replacing public prisons? Both parties support it.
Unions? Both parties view them with contempt.
Trillion dollar increase in nuclear weapons? Both parties support it.
New war in Iraq. Both parties support it.
New war in Syria. Both parties support it.
Carpet bombing of captive population in Gaza. Both parties support it.



aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
7. Too bad Obama can't use an executive order to outlaw happy hour in Washigton D.C. bars
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:46 PM
Nov 2014

That would devastate the Boner.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
9. Not lunatics, RACISTS
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:47 PM
Nov 2014

Lets be clear, these are very clever people that know exactly what they're doing and why. What puzzles me most though, is the denial of most white Americans of these facts.

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
28. Yes, they are. IMO most republicans are racists, not all, but most IMO. If one listens carefully to
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 07:26 AM
Nov 2014

what they are often saying for example, ACA, immigration reform, some equal rights here and there ... often between the lines they are saying we don't want those brown skinned people getting anything. The GOP has gathered under one tent for the most part racists, homophobes, sociopaths, control freaks, authoritarians, cheats, haters, religious freaks and ultra-greed.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
24. A POTUS perp walk!
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 02:36 AM
Nov 2014

there is nothing the racist hate-mongers would like more than to see the "lawless" president handcuffed and marched out of white house. Unless it's seeing POTUS in an orange jumpsuit at his arraignment for being black. Their arrogance and hatred are a big brick wall that keeps out all reason and loving kindness.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
27. We will see
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 05:06 AM
Nov 2014

But I think the people who voted with the thought that giving republicans control of both houses would create effective government will be rudely surprised.

What it will do is take the fighting to a whole new level. For the last 4 years the Senate could just sit and refuse to act on the lunacy, so PBO did not need to, because it never got to his desk.

Now some, if not all of it will get to his desk and he will need to veto, and he will veto regularly. This simply takes the same fight to a higher and much more reportable level.

The Senate letting a stupid bill die in committee is rarely newsworthy, but the President vetoing the same stupid bill is always reportable.

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