I Ate Turkey on Thanksgiving and It Was DELICIOUS!

[titaniumsalute]

Matter of fact I ate only two slices of white meat, but I also gnawed the dark meat directly from a giant turkey leg. I washed it down with a thick, viscous, fatty solution of turkey gravy.

OK, ok. My post is a bit over the top and ridiculous. Pretty much as ridiculous as many times I come onto DU to be berated for eating meat. I, like multiple millions of people, enjoy eating meat. I try to find in every instance farm raised, grass fed meats.

There's two things I really don't need to be on the receiving end of prosthelytizing....food and Jesus. It used to be smoking as well but I gave that up on my own a long time ago.

I have no problem with Vegetarians and/or Vegans. It isn't easy especially if you travel or eat out a lot. But please don't bust my balls for eating meat. It just makes me more hungry for a french cut pork loin with a peach marmalade sauce.

[yeoman6987]

1. I rarely rec, but your OP deserves one for sure

[Prophet 451]

2. We don't have Thanksgiving here (UK)

Here, there is no Thanksgiving and the traditional Christmas dinner is turkey. Since neither my SO nor I are big fans of turkey, I have steak every year. My SO doesn't have a fixed meal but it'll probably be fish this year. We do try and find organic, free-range meat (and here, those terms are legally defined; battery farming is also banned) and pay slightly more for it.

I have no problem with vegetarians/vegans when they're just getting on with things and living their own life but I get annoyed when they start proselytizing and especially when they make bullshit lies (like the claim that humans are not natural omnivores).

[titaniumsalute]

4. A friend of mine lives in the US now but is from Nova Scotia

She seems to LOVE Thanksgiving traditional meal here. I've never asked if she had much turkey in NS. My grandfather hated turkey. He helped make it every year as he was a great cook...but while we were eating our turkey and gravy he was going for a 13 or 14 oz medium rare Ribeye.

[ManiacJoe]

23. The joke I heard from the Brits was

that the UK Thanksgiving was July 4th!

[Prophet 451]

26. Lol, not heard that before!

[laundry_queen]

50. HAHA! That's funny. nt

[JimDandy]

54. Haha. n/t

[AwakeAtLast]

87. And we seem to find a way to remind them of it every day

I mean America as a whole, not DUers.

[Luminous Animal]

61. Likely, battery farming has been banned because of the efforts of animal rights

activist organizations... the members of which contain quite a few vegetarians and vegans. If they just got on with things and lived their own lives, batter farming would still exist.

Vegetarians and vegans, though eschewing consumption of meat, are stalwart advocates and allies to the humane treatment of animals movements.

[Prophet 451]

68. Pushing animal welfare is not proselytizing their dietry choices

I know that most veggies/vegans are animal welfare activists. It's one of the things I like about them. There is a distinct difference between promoting animal welfare on the one hand and telling others what they should, shaming them for their choices and demonizing meat consumption on the other.

[Luminous Animal]

74. For many, dietary choices are environmental issues and, as an activist for wider access

to healthy food, a class issue.

On DU, just bringing up the destruction of the environment and the horrible plight of factory farming is seen as shaming.

The way I see it, those who feel ashamed aren't shamed by those who present facts. They are shamed by their cognizant inability to justify their concern for the environment and the treatment of animal and their meat eating habits. And their meat eating habits are primarily led by propaganda. We are awash in it.

I liken the VOCAL animal rights, vegetarian and vegan movements to he anti-lead movements of old. The science was clearly on the anti-lead activists side (and Europe had taken action decades prior to the U.S. based on that science). But PR from the lead industry empowered parents to resist 'shaming' contrary to scientific evidence and activist efforts to educate the facts that lead increased the chances of their children developing illnesses and cognitive liabilities.

The results of their not being "shamed" by science and those who promoted that science is , decades after lead being banned, there are still people being harmed by those who put their fingers in their ears and said, "Lalalalala, I can't hear you! I hear Sherwin Williams instead!"

[Prophet 451]

75. "And their meat eating habits are primarily led by propaganda"

OK, now I know you're one of those bullshit artists who claim humans aren't really omnivores and we've all been brainwashed by the meat industry. I don't bother debating with liars so this is me putting you on Ignore.

[Luminous Animal]

81. Um no. I am referring to the quantity of meat. It is well out of proportion

to what is necessary. The average male requires, according to the FDA, 56 grams of protein a day. One 8 oz steak has 56 grams of protein. We've been conditioned to consume far more protein (and from few sources) than is necessary.

[ellenrr]

88. True, it is ok to say anything about the environment, except when what you say

might affect what a person eats.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasperhamill/2014/08/31/meat-eaters-could-cause-dangerous-climate-change-scientists-warn/

[nxylas]

106. We have Black Friday, though

The worst of both worlds.

[tclambert]

108. It's a day to celebrate when Native Americans saved some early settlers from starving.

Ever since then, the red and white people have remained the best of friends, sharing the bounty of this great nation fairly and evenly, and we all commemorate this event on the fourth Thursday of every November, though our Native American friends call it in their language "nash-un-al daee uv mourn-ning," which translates roughly to "Thanks for the sunrise," or "Down with White People," I'm not really sure which.

[progressoid]

3. I smoked a turkey!

And then made a few pints of really tasty turkey stock. Will be having some good soup in a few weeks. Yummm.

[titaniumsalute]

5. I tried to smoke a turkey once...

but couldn't find a bong big enough.

[Stellar]

17. Funny!

[bearssoapbox]

46. Here's a smokeable turkey.

[elias49]

60. Good one! nt

[Go Vols]

117. +1

[Nac Mac Feegle]

48. It takes a.good sized torch to light it

But you need to get the REALLY big rolling papers.

[Jackpine Radical]

124. And they're really hard to keep lit.

[olddots]

32. well I free based a turkey

Not as good as deep fried but it only lasted a few minutes .

[msanthrope]

102. Try vaping it next time. nt

[Beaverhausen]

6. The environmental impact of eating animals is big

Why liberals tend to ignore this baffles me.

[RiverLover]

8. why -some- liberals tend to ignore this. :-)

Although I have to admit my main reason for stopping meat is the horrific treatment they endure in industrialized factory farms. I don't preach it, I just don't eat it.

[Beaverhausen]

12. You are right. Some get it.

[AndyTiedye]

13. Free Range

avoids both the bad treatment and most of the environmental impact.

[Beaverhausen]

14. But many can't afford that or don't have access

[GGJohn]

51. We hunt or raise all our meat, up side? Steriod free, healthy meat.

[RiverLover]

20. I get free range eggs.

I'd have to know for certain the animals were treated humanely from beginning to end to eat meat/poultry. I know some people here raise their own, and they're so lucky! One day...

[Prophet 451]

30. Push for truth-in-labelling laws

Here (UK), the terms "organic" and "free-range" are legally defined and Health & Safety (it comes under their remit) do random checks.

[RiverLover]

35. You guys are so far advanced over US in everything.

"Organic" here is poorly regulated in most cases & we can't even get GMOs labeled, while they're (wisely) banned in the UK. That's what I've heard anyways. Can I be an illegal immigrant in your country??

[Prophet 451]

43. GMOs aren't banned here but they have to be labelled

If you check the nutritional info on the back of the pack, GMO produce has to be labelled there. Which is, in my view, the right way to do it. Not an outright ban but give the consumer the information and let him make up his own mind. Oh, one exception: The supermarket chain, Iceland, outright bans GMOs from it's stores.

And I would certainly not give you away if you immigrated here.

[Luminous Animal]

63. Have you visited that "free range" farm? Chances are greater than not that

it is little better than a caged chicken farm. U.S. lax regulations ensures that "free range" does not mean what you think it means.

[titaniumsalute]

98. Yes I have...more than once

My neighbor is a good friend and he has a farm to table restaurant. He uses this farm for all of his pork, beef, and chicken. Free range as it gets.

[Sunlei]

91. One day you can raise your own. people don't realize how easy it is.

Hens graze on grasses, they eat what bugs they find but actually eat a lot of grass. So much grass that during the summers they hardly touch regular feed. Their eggs taste like sunshine & meadows. Even on a small scale 2 or 3 hens that's dozens & dozens of eggs.

[Luminous Animal]

42. Very are very few truly free range chickens. In near all cases, the

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"free range" label is a marketing slight of hand and requires that humans assume chickens are far more intelligent than they actually are.

Government guidelines state that in order for a chicken to be labeled "free range" that chicken must have access to the outdoors. Many "free range" chickens are warehoused and crammed together by the thousands with a few small doors and ramps leading to the outside. The farmer gets to decide when and how long those doors are open which results in most of those birdbrained creatures not realizing they even exist. Also, they are raised solely indoors until they are past their peep stage. Chickens, being creatures of habit are unlikely to cross that road if it looks unfamiliar and threatening.

Their pasture is a dirt floor and chicken poop, one chicken for every foot of space and they still don't have access to big juicy grubs and crunchy crickets.

[belcffub]

112. buy them at the farm and you'll know

I get mine from my neighbors place... his chickens are all over the place... they only go inside at night.. I always wonder how many he get hit by cars or taken by coyotes...

[Prophet 451]

11. As big as it would take to feed them veggies?

The human body needs X amount of calories and X amount of protein a day. Meat is a very good source of both. Farming enough veggies to replace that calories and protein would, I suspect, take up far more land. Now, if you're arguing that the current western diet includes more meat than is healthy, I'd agree but the ecosystem is capable of supporting a certain amount of meat-eating.

[Beaverhausen]

16. Read this

http://science.time.com/2013/12/16/the-triple-whopper-environmental-impact-of-global-meat-production/

[Prophet 451]

18. Doesn't answer the question

The question was, how much land would be required to replace the energy and protein provided by eating meat?

Also, factory farming is banned here.

[mucifer]

28. You have to feed the cows more grain than the human would eat.

That's why the United Nations is urging more people to cut back on meat and dairy:

A global shift towards a vegan diet is vital to save the world from hunger, fuel poverty and the worst impacts of climate change, a UN report said today.

As the global population surges towards a predicted 9.1 billion people by 2050, western tastes for diets rich in meat and dairy products are unsustainable, says the report from United Nations Environment Programme's (UNEP) international panel of sustainable resource management.

It says: "Impacts from agriculture are expected to increase substantially due to population growth increasing consumption of animal products. Unlike fossil fuels, it is difficult to look for alternatives: people have to eat. A substantial reduction of impacts would only be possible with a substantial worldwide diet change, away from animal products."

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet

[Prophet 451]

36. Thank you, that answer the question

I'll happily agree that the current western diet includes an unhealthy amount of meat but I think pushing for veganism is a non-starter. You're not going to overturn 6,000 years of meat-eating. What can be done instead is to urge people to cut back on meat to a once-a-week luxury or something similar to that. Personally, I could easily cut my meat consumption back to maybe a pound a week. A few slices of pepperoni on pizza and Quorn substitutes for most of my meat intake (except my once-a-year steak for Xmas dinner). My bigger problem is dairy, I love cheese, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't possible to create some artificial alternative.

Also, I remember reading a couple of years ago that vat-grown meat (which cultures meat artificially and so, doesn't require farming space) was now possible, it's just a matter of perfecting the process to make it economical.

[AndyTiedye]

69. You Don't Have to Feed Cows GRAIN at All. They Were Meant to Eat GRASS

People can't eat grass.

[mucifer]

73. There isn't enough grass available for all of the cattle for everyone who wants to eat

meat on this planet. Worldwide our population keeps growing and people more and more people are eating meat. In China they are eating more meat and less veggies than they used to. There is a finite amount of space on this planet and cows require lots of space to be grass fed. That's why the UN is suggesting everyone cut down on eating animal products.

[CrawlingChaos]

34. Do you not understand how much land is used to grow grain to feed cattle?

You could end world hunger by redirecting those resources, and at the same time affect at tremendously beneficial environmental impact because meat production is so inefficient in every respect.

I don't understand your comment about factory farming being banned ... are you somewhere other than the U.S.?

[Prophet 451]

39. Yes, I am

I'm in the UK and factory farming was banned a couple of years ago here.

I do understand how much land is used to farm livestock. My question (which teh poster above you linked me to an answer) was how did that compare to the amount of land which would be required to feed everyone veggies. When people do these comparisons, they tend to forget that the reason we started eating meat was because it was a very efficient source of calories and protein. When people say it takes X amount of land to raise a cow, they always ignore that farming enough veggies to replace that cow is also going to take a lot of space. As I said, the poster above you provided an answer to that.

That said, it is now possible to vat-grow meat which, obviously, doesn't require the same amount of livestock space. It's now a matter of perfecting the technology to make it economical.

[Ms. Toad]

111. If you have land that is suitable cropland,

it is more efficient to grow veggies to eat directly than to grow veggies that you eat indirectly after being processed into meat.

What the most extreme anti-meat individuals (and not even all that extreme) fail to take into account is there is a lot of land which is suitable for grazing, but not growing crops for humans - land which is not irrigable (lack of ground water source or the terrain is too rugged ), but does grow ground cover whcih animals will eat; land with poor soil that generates a very small yield. Then your assessment is correct - that portion of land produces more calories and protein when processed into meat because what could be grown on the land is far too sparse and energy intensive for human consumption.

But all else being equal, it is nearly always more efficient to eat directly from the source than to eat from a secondary source which nearly always results in content loss.

[jtuck004]

113. It's also concentration. You still have to eat a bushel of beans to get the proteins

you would get from a few steaks. Fact is, we don't have enough land any longer to grow enough to feed everyone, and by using petroleum to grow grain and feed them it concentrates protein. The meat animal does a lot of that eating for us so we can keep serving french fries or changing bedpans in the new economy.

If all the meat sources went away tomorrow it would be so efficient tens of millions would starve.

In addition, since vegetable proteins like beans are incomplete (amino acids) compared to meat, one has to eat different types of veggies to get the same benefit. So it would take re-education of a population that resists new training with a passion, unless one can view it on "Dancing With The Stars".

I agree with your premise, but it seems kind of a moot point.

[Ms. Toad]

115. My point was about your assumption that

you would gain protein by processing grains through an animal. You don't. It is nearly always more efficient to consume the protein directly than to process it through an animal. The exception is when the animal can graze land that can't produce food for humans - in which case even an inefficient processing plant (the cow) feeds more people than not using the land at all for human food.

As for re-education, that is a different question. But I doubt that people suddenly becoming vegetarian would be any more prone to malnutrition than they are now - given the really poor dietary habits of most of us.

[Brickbat]

19. Depends on the animal.

[nomorenomore08]

41. Most Americans certainly ought to cut down on their meat consumption.

But Thanksgiving is only one day out of the year.

[Shivering Jemmy]

53. Lots of behaviors have large negative impacts

And none of us have zero impact.

We each do what we can.

[truedelphi]

59. Oh that is a bunch of hooey.

Come here to Lake County and walk with me through the acreage of a dairy farm.

Plenty of bushes and trees, meadows, ponds and other niceties.

Much off the land is a bit hard scrabble, so it is not like it will be used for vineyards - yet!

Why is this significant? A dairy farm provides oodles of space and habitat for a great deal more than cows. You get your possums, skinks, snakes, beavers, buzzards, eagles, hawks, crows, cougars, skunks, foxes, rabbits, deer etc.

For some reason, wine-swilling environmental diletantes complain about cows, but they don't understand anything about the type of earth-raping situation that occurs when plots of forest are bulldozed down, then burned, and then planted with grape vines, which are then pesticided so much that the pesticide ends up destroying the aquifers that lie five feet under the vineyards. Within one season, much of this pesiticde will find its way to a local creek, which empties into the lake (Clear Lake, largest fresh water lake in California.)

All this destruction strips the earth of the carbon dioxide removing machinery we know as trees. Then the habitat for dozens of species of animal and bird life is gone, and probably forever.

It used to be, even thirty years ago, that vineyard owners provided hedgerows for the birds and a few other species of animals. So that for every 500 acres, maybe one or two hedgerows. Now the profit-minded barbarians who are touted by city environmentalists can't afford even a bare minimum of habitat for the animals. So we are losing our animals.

I sat in a friend's living room once for most of a day. She was leasing her land to some vineyard guy. All the vines he planted were visible to us through her windows. And not a single bird, not even a sparrow, went near those acres of vines.

Beyond that, the vineyards cause desertification. But if the cow haters get their way, every acre in California will become vineyards and casinos and casino parking lots.

[geek tragedy]

71. So is clearing native grasslands to grow crops. nt

[Plucketeer]

107. Yeah,

such practices brought the wrath of God down upon the prehistoric beasts that were done in by an asteroid strike. We'll probably get the same treatment one day!

[C Moon]

114. +1

[liberal_at_heart]

7. Everyone in my house likes ham but I always get a few slices of turkey from the

deli for Thanksgiving. I'm also the only one who eats stuffing, so I make stuffing for myself. I don't mind accommodating everyone else's tastes but for me it's not Thanksgiving without turkey and stuffing.

[nomorenomore08]

44. Turkey, stuffing and mashed potatoes all smothered in gravy is my ideal Thanksgiving meal.

Luckily, this year I got to have just that.

[liberal_at_heart]

121. oh, absolutely. Butter and garlic whipped potatoes are always right next to my

turkey and stuffing on my plate.

[AndyTiedye]

9. Turkey Roasted Over Charcoal

YUM!

[SylviaD]

10. I prefer a delicious smoked ham, I've never cared for turkey. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

15. I actually DID eat an entire turkey leg. n/t

[elias49]

62. Good man! Me too!

I brined the turkey this year. Kind of like marinating red meat. Excellent!

[jeffrey_pdx]

21. There is nothing wrong with eating meat

I like it. Good protein.

[Luminous Animal]

52. Americans wildly overestimate the amount of protein they need daily

The FDA recommends 56 grams of protein a day from all sources... legumes, nuts, soy, eggs, cheese, milk, yogurt, some grains...

1 8 oz serving of meat has 100% of the protein recommended for a typical man.

It's very easy to eat a healthy vegetarian or vegan meals all day and get the recommended amount or more of necessary protein.

[badtoworse]

22. Fried turkey here - the only way to go if you want a delicious, juicy bird.

[nomorenomore08]

47. BBQ works well also. We've done ours that way the last several years. n/t

[badtoworse]

90. I've done that too. A small one (11 - 13 lbs) is great on the spit with smoke.

[MrMickeysMom]

24. I smoked a turkey and bought a Kentucky smoked ham, to boot...

I am mostly vegetarian, but I will, at times eat ham, still eat foul, so that leaves me a 90%tarian.

It doesn't matter if you do eat meat. Just try to eat meat that wasn't processed in the barbaric manner in which we have industrialized. It's insane.

I believe I'll reach a point where we'll give up the foul as well, but we still have company stay with us, and value more than what we would like to be able to do at the table.

Oh, and my turkey pot pie looks delicious, but it's too late to eat it… leftover are wonderful, too.

[Prophet 451]

29. I'd agree with a factory farming ban

Battery farming is banned here (UK) and when my SO and I eat meat, we go out of our way to get organic, free-range meat (and unlike the US, both terms are defined by law here). I think pushing for a ban on factory farming would have much more success than trying to convert people to veganism.

[MrMickeysMom]

33. Thanks for that enlightenment, Prophet...

Battery farming, is it? Yes, I believe you'd be right in that approach. Everyone should see what goes on here. Then, they'd understand a thing or two.

We can't even muster up labels for GMO food here. I become more disappointed in our particular form of corporatism more each day.

[Prophet 451]

45. I'm always surprised about the lack of GMO labelling

Here (and the rest of the EU), GMO produce has to be labelled. It gets chucked in with the nutritional information on the back of the pack but if you care enough to check, it's easily found. The supermarket chain, Iceland, also bans them from it's stores.

I will never understand why some ambitious politician there doesn't make a big push for GMO labelling on consumer information grounds.

[RiverLover]

85. They've tried.

They've failed.

Then they've let voters decide. There's a recount on the Oregon vote because the loss was so close.

http://www.katu.com/politics/Recount-of-Oregon-GMO-labeling-measure-begins--284537051.html

The industry has spent ALOT of $$$ making us look nuts for not wanting GMO food. They forget to mention the environmental downsides.

[oldandhappy]

25. thanks for the post

It sparked some interesting discussion. My family is half vegetarian and half carnivore and we all accept all the food on the table and partake as we choose. My personal favorite is oven roasted veggies. Yum!

[mucifer]

27. How do you know when someone is a meat eater? They fucking tell you!

[CrawlingChaos]

38. + infinity

If you so much as mention the word vegan or vegetarian in passing, you can brace yourself for a tidal wave of bacon-related snark. Because "meat is yummy" trumps any concerns about animal cruelty and environmental destruction in the minds of many.

[Luminous Animal]

57. +1! But when a vegan or vegetarian tells you that they don't eat meat?

Then they are obnoxious, or proselytizing. Although, I do find the poster that inspired this thread... ahem... less than sincere. It is almost as if they are trying to hard to make vegans look bad.

[titaniumsalute]

99. No many are not obnoxious

But in some cases people will start preaching just like a few evangelists do about the gospel. It's a complete turnoff. I have never once...ever...told someone "I'm a carnivore." I've never told a non-meat eater the benefits of eating meat. I've never tried to change one's mind about their personal preferences. I expect you to do the same.

[DesertFlower]

31. i don't eat much meat, but i do eat it. sometimes vegetarians

try to make us feel guilty. i tried being a vegetarian and it didn't work for me.

[edbermac]

37. I ate at Olive Garden on Thanksgiving and it was DELICIOUS!

30 minutes later, not so much.

[LostInAnomie]

80. Tell me it was the one in NYC. That's the best one.

[alfredo]

40. I was vegetarian, then I married a meat eater. Instead I have

taken over the cooking for the most part. When I do meat, I use it in a supporting role. I try my best to eat low on the food chain.

Of course this Thanksgivings I had Turkey and Venison. The venison was falling apart tender, sticky, salty and sweet.

Tonight it was brown rice with saute veggies, and a small Salmon fillet flaked up and mixed in the saute.

I could go back to being a vegetarian. Meat is easy, vegetables take skill. I like developing skills.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

49. "I Ate Turkey on Thanksgiving and It Was DELICIOUS!"

I'd be afraid to do that because it might knock my teeth out when it,....(too much?)

[flvegan]

55. You were berated here many times for eating meat?

Care to share examples?

[Logical]

56. Really? You're saying there are no anti-meat posts on the DU? Nt

[flvegan]

58. Is that what I said?

This is a yes/no answer.

[Luminous Animal]

65. Are pro-meat posts berating vegans and vegetarians?

[titaniumsalute]

86. That is exactly my point with my post

Directly attacked? No. I never said that. But I see a lot of demeaning posts on DU about meat eaters.

[TeeYiYi]

64. You were berated "many times" at DU for eating meat?...

...Care to link to a few of these "many" 'ball busting' examples?...

TYY

[ReRe]

66. My favorite meat of all time is....

..... medium rare Prime Rib. Thank the Dogs I can't afford it, or I would probably be dead.

[pinboy3niner]

72. Holidays are a great time to pick up a standing rib roast on sale

That's one of my favorites, too, either as a roast with Yorkshire pudding or cut into steaks for grilling.

[ReRe]

83. Can't have it at home...

... cause I would be eating mine alone. Everyone else I dine with wants their meat well-done. And only roasted, my request. Last time I had it was at my nephew's wedding (reception) last summer. I was on cloud nine.

[tridim]

100. Why would you be dead?

Just because you can afford prime rib doesn't mean you have to eat 10 cows worth in one sitting.

Prime rib is quality protein and good saturated fat. Simply skip the pre-meal bread or the big slice of chocolate cake to avoid eating too many carb calories.

[ErikJ]

67. Never understood people putting down vegetarians and bike-riders.

and people trying to do the right thing. Maybe out of guilt and/or jealousy? Doesnt make sense.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

70. Naw, they're just into beer and football.

[William769]

76. Kick & recommend.

[yewberry]

77. It must be be so hard to be part of the poor persecuted majority.

So sorry to hear it.

That silliness aside, every time some evangelical noob comes along and lectures everyone, the veg oldsters cringe. But be aware that most of us don't try to bend your ears about it. I truly believe that most people don't know that acquaintances might be veg*n because most of us don't talk about it unless we have to. In fact, we are really the minority in the "mmm bacon" culture. You are correct that isn't especially easy to travel or live in bacon-world.

Please do remember that most of us don't bust anyone's balls for eating meat, and that most of us routinely get cross-examined or marginalized for not eating meat.

[JEB]

78. Soak the filthy bird in Jesus Juice then suck it up with a straw.

[Lint Head]

79. I eat turkey cause they're funny and make me laugh.

[Socal31]

82. I would post a witty insult....

But you probably already died from a massive coronary...and will never see it.

[pansypoo53219]

84. God was clearly a carnivore.

[MoonRiver]

89. Whenever I have started a thread about protecting farm animals, or even

just posted cute pics of pigs, I get a barrage of disrespecting, cynical comments by meat eaters. I do think they are overly defensive about their unhealthy food choices and can't stand any reminders about what they are doing to the environment and their own health (few express any concern about the animals).

[handmade34]

119. ....

succinct, relevant... collectively we eat too much meat and it is disastrous for the environment and people's health

[MoonRiver]

125. handmade34

[Heidi]

92. I've been a DUer for almost 11 years, and I've NEVER been berated for eating meat.

In fact, there are a couple of vegan DUers who supported me when I decided to learn to cook vegan in order to be a better hostess to my beloved vegan sister-in-law, and I treasure those DUers for their kindness. (

(I'm lookin' at you, for one, flvegan. )

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

93. I like turkey, but's it's mostly the centerpiece on the table for me

It's all the other stuff on the table that goes with it that I love!

[el_bryanto]

94. I had a stake and some roasted potatoes with vinegar

It was just me so didn't feel like the expense of a bird.

Bryant

[msanthrope]

105. Wood and potatoes? Jeebus, that's a lot of fiber! nt

[HappyMe]

110. Vampire?

If you don't see eb post again....

[HappyMe]

95. I don't think I have been berated here

because I eat meat. Sometimes people can get a bit preachy, but that's their thing.

Eating is one of the pleasures in life that's completely legal. Enjoy and let others enjoy.

[LanternWaste]

96. I react the same way when someone points out my excessive and wasteful indulgences.

I react the same way as you when someone points out my excessive and wasteful indulgences that I find difficult, if not impossible to rationalize.

More often than not, my choice, much like yours is to simply behave poorly by issuing melodramatic pronouncements (of which, I can ethically justify by the mature and sophisticated "he did it too!" routine).

And although I can easily walk past, or even ignore high-handed sermons-- whether social, political or merely dietary, my petulance coerces me to behave as a child would.

No doubt, you're much better than that...

[NuclearDem]

97. Berated for eating meat.

Also, made to feel guilty for being white, and for being male, and all the other completely non-existent "persecutions".

[DesMoinesDem]

101. But not eating meat cures HIV and diabetes.

[upaloopa]

103. This vegetarian doesn't care what you eat.

Eat a table leg if that suits you.
Eating is a personal thing. I think we should do our homework and research and make the best decisions for ourselves what to eat. We should not do that job for other adults.

[titaniumsalute]

128. I agree with you 100%!

That's exactly my point with my OP. A little tongue in cheek delivery on my part though.

[bigwillq]

104. My turkey was also delish!

[ileus]

109. Meat kills people...no wait that's guns....meat is murder!!!

[Dopers_Greed]

116. I say this as a meat-eater

I've seen a lot more meat-eaters deride vegetarians to their face than the other way around.

[handmade34]

126. I have been

made fun of and called names at times for the past 40+ years because I ate differently than my family and associates

...starting with being called Euell Gibbons in my teens... ...all because I want to be healthy and care for the earth

[Karmadillo]

118. If you really want to understand why some suggest you abandon

meat eating, you could do worse than watch "Earthlings."

http://earthlings.com/?page_id=32

It's interesting how little we are educated about the grotesque suffering inflicted upon sentient beings in order to put industrial quantities of meat into the channels of commerce. The subject never seems to make its way into the requirements of the high school curriculum and there's never a slaughterhouse of the week feature on the evening news. I would guess it's because the truth is far more horrible than most can bear. If we simply let children know the facts about the food they eat instead of force-feeding them "Happy" Meals and commercials where cows attempt to convince buyers to eat chickens instead of them, I imagine a very significant number of people would overcome the conditioning required to make them swallow such a sadistic diet.

[deaniac21]

120. Hey buddy,

you need to cut down in that fruit intake.

[MarianJack]

122. I am going to advocate 2 things about Food & Jesus to you.

As far as food goes, I advocate that you eat whatever you'd like to eat!

As far as Jesus goes, I advocate that you follow your own beliefs!

So THERE!

PEACE!

[wandy]

123. I also have no problem with Vegetarians and/or Vegans. But this OP wouldn't be complete without.....

Them Chicken Cordon Bleus

[titaniumsalute]

127. My favorite style of music...never heard this

THANK YOU!

[wandy]

129. One of my favorite types of music, at least one I could play..............

People go through phases in their lives. I spent a good portion of my life with a lady who briefly went through a "veggy" phase.

"See that old dog out there on the street.
He got a big smile on his face caus they let him eat meat."

Yup, I can understand that.