Black lives matter!

[babylonsister]

I am so sorry we're going through this again.


White older woman weighing in. SUCKS!

[LeftInTX]

1. Yes

And I add: I'm so sick of racists

[babylonsister]

5. Me, too, and that is what this is about. nt

[Cha]

2. :(

:large
Pamela L Gay
Be loud. #BlackLivesMatter RT @CandisLynnT: #timesquare action #Justice4EricGarner #whitesilence = #whiteconsent
1:19 PM - 3 Dec 2014 390 Retweets 236 favorites ttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/B39vx7bCYAEQ811.jpg

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/03/racists-shoot-us-they-walk-away-free/

:

[KingCharlemagne]

22. That is a hell of a sign (and pic). I'm white and I refuse to be silent

any longer! I saw another good sign on the Livestream tonight that said simply "Enough is enough!"

[Cha]

25. It sure is, KC.. Excellent Statement. "Enough is Enough"!

[marym625]

26. Thanks Cha

Do we follow each other on twitter?

[SoapBox]

3. The Militia seems to be able to kill at will...

Anyone hear the background on the officer that shot the 12 year old?

He should never have been hired as a cop, after his first job as a cop.

[babylonsister]

6. And now it's stopping. Enough! nt

[marym625]

27. trending hashtag

#ThisStopsToday

[AverageJoe90]

4. Yes, but how about #AllLivesMatter?

Proves the exact same point, without too much focus on just one group of people.

[babylonsister]

8. One group needs to be focused on right now, doncha think?

[AverageJoe90]

16. Well, I can say that AAs have often had the worst of it, that is true.

But the truth is, though, police brutality is a problem that can affect anyone; just look at what happened to a lot of the Occupy folks back in 2011/12, and '13.
I apologize if my point was stated poorly, however, and some got the impression that we should stop focusing on AA's, period.....that was not the intention.

[rbrnmw]

9. how about buying a clue?

you really should understand why we have to say #BlackLivesMatter

[sheshe2]

11. Stop it Joe!

Yes all lives matter.

However black men are being gunned down a an alarming rate. And the murdering cops are not being held accountable. Just stop and wake up and open your eyes. White men walk away from their crimes, black men are shot dead with deadly force. Your posts are rather ugly and outright wrong.

[AverageJoe90]

14. I don't disagree with what you're saying, btw.

Yes, AAs are indeed gunned down at an alarming rate. The reason I posted that, however, was that some folks out there may not get the bigger picture, and I assure you that this was a 100% genuine though process.

[JI7]

15. if they aren't getting the point it's because they are most likely racists

[AverageJoe90]

19. It's a LOT more complicated than that, I'm afraid.

Yeah, I know we may sometimes be tempted to go into "us vs. them" mode.....hell, I've probably been guilty of that myself, I must admit.....but I'm afraid we're not doing ourselves by stating, "oh, person A must not get point B, therefore they must certainly be C(racist/misogynist/etc.)." isn't doing us any favors. The truth is, a lot of people out there don't get it, not because they hate and/or fear black people, or Latinos, or whatever, it's because they live in a bubble of sorts. They just don't know what to think, period. And that's why I myself place so much emphasis on education on the issues.

[JI7]

20. hahaha

[AverageJoe90]

21. What's so funny? What I said was the truth, you know.

And I'm not the only one who recognizes that, so.....

[JI7]

23. HAHAHAH

[MadDAsHell]

39. Wow you're kind of a jerk :)

Hahaha

[marym625]

29. exactly what you are doing now

You are turning a "we stand here for you. We support you" into "so what if the statistics show that a black person being abused or killed by cops or in custody are astronomically greater than what happens to white people. White people deserve as much attention. Fuck Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, VanDerrit Myers, Akai Gurley, etc etc etc. "

A black man is killed by cops every 28 hours in this country.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/1-black-man-killed-every-28-hours-police-or-vigilantes-america-perpetually-war-its

Mother Jones has a great article with the best statistics available. We find out: 

black people were about four times as likely to die in custody or while being arrested than whites

Between 1968 and 2011, black people were between two to eight times more likely to die at the hands of law enforcement than whites. Annually, over those 40 years, a black person was on average 4.2 times as likely to get shot and killed by a cop than a white person. 

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/police-shootings-ferguson-race-data 

You are part of the problem

[AverageJoe90]

32. I'm sorry that you got a bad impression.

Perhaps I can be a little too pragmatically minded for my own good, I dunno. As I said earlier:

Yes, AAs are indeed gunned down at an alarming rate. The reason I posted that, however, was that some folks out there may not get the bigger picture.....

So, yes, I'm sorry you got a bad impression, but I wasn't trying to make the point that you thought I was. Hope this clears things up a little.

[marym625]

35. I appreciate that

But we all know police brutality exists for everyone. To bring it up, to diminish the mantra, "black lives matter" at this time especially, is just wrong.

There's a time and a place for everything. This is the time to show support, solidarity with our black brothers and sisters.

When you have to worry about your young son being gunned down by cops, every time he walks out the door, then say it.

[AverageJoe90]

37. I think I understand your point.

Having reconsidered this, perhaps this wasn't the best time to offer said suggestion, no matter how well-intention it was. Thank you for helping me see another point of view.

[marym625]

38. Thank you for listening

Seriously.

[MadDAsHell]

41. African-American, not "black," please. Thank you. nt

[marym625]

43. When I see you

I will respect how you wish to be referred. But that is not a universal preferred reference among African Americans.

I meant no offense.

[LanternWaste]

55. Precisely who? Or is your entire premise based merely on editorial and supposition...?

"was that some folks out there may not get the bigger picture..."

Precisely who? Or is your entire premise based merely on editorial and supposition...?

[Scootaloo]

28. Really? Spare everyone the whataboutism

You understand the point being made, you don't need to pick and chip away at it for the sake of ego.

[AverageJoe90]

31. There isn't anything egotistical about it. Never was. nt

[Scootaloo]

33. Yeah it is

You don't care for the slogan "Black Lives Matter." so you want to change it, to something that you approve of, because your opinion is the one that should count. Everyone else should step down and bow before your superior mind and your greater knowledge, to defer to you and what you think on the subject.

Essentially you're making the whole affair about you.

again, you say you get the point. Then just get the point and stand with it, man. Don't go trying to school people with your - in your estimation - "superior notions."

[Scootaloo]

40. I'm not outraged. I'm advising.

You say you get it. I'm inclined to believe you. If it is "gotten" then there's no real need to demand it be changed on your say-so. Just keep getting it.

[AverageJoe90]

45. You'll have to pardon me, but.....

It's just that the way you phrased things in that last post really didn't come off well, sorry to say. I'll go ahead and take back what I said.

[XemaSab]

42. False outrage?

Your only problem with rights for blacks is that there's not enough attention given to whites.

Your only problem with rights for women is that there's not enough attention given to men.

Your only problem with rights for Trobriand islanders is that there's not enough attention given to Americans.

Anything that you're not the center of is a threat to your tiny, tiny ego.

[Odin2005]

47. "OMG, what about the white people killed by cops????" You don't get it.

Thanks for proving how white privilege degrades and dismisses the realities of POC in the name of "equality".

[AverageJoe90]

50. Please see post #37, if you would? Thanks.

[gollygee]

49. Because there's one group of people

that is getting killed more?

What do you think? This is so tone deaf that it makes me embarrassed for you.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

51. Maybe next week or next month we can do All vs AfAm, can they have this just this once?

Can there be one movement or one protest that focuses in on the single most oppressed group in America?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

57. because no one acts as though white lives don't matter. nt

[sheshe2]

7. Yes they do, bsis.

More

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5653764

[marym625]

36. brava

[WillyT]

10. Yep... K & R !!!

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/new-york-garner-protests_n_6264538.html

[951-Riverside]

12. All lives matter

Michael Nida - Unarmed shot multiple times in the back by a downey cop after he tried to run away



Douglas Zerby - Cops snuck up on him and blew him away without warning just because he was holding a water nozzle.



John Winkler - Stabbed then gunned down by deputies as he was trying to flee his attacker



Frank Mendoza - Gunned down by deputies as he was trying to flee an armed parolee that had just broke into his home



Brian Beaird - Gunned down by LAPD cops as he was surrendering with his hands up.



Jose de la Trinidad - Unarmed and shot 7 times in the back by deputies



Jason Conoscenti - Unarmed, shot multiple times in the back as he was running away. His murder was captured on video.

Just to name a few...

ALL LIVES MATTER!

Police brutality is out of control.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

53. I have an idea, how about you start a NEW thread "All lives matter"

this one is about AfAm lives

[951-Riverside]

54. I did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025908048

[marym625]

13. Same here

Old white woman so sorry.

But not again. Still. Only difference is social media

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025907898

[fadedrose]

17. Me too, Sucks here also

Just heard Al Sharpton exciting a group by demanding that the Attorney General do something about the situation.

Won't do any good if they all ask and go to Washington, every black in the US.

Why? Because the majority of politicians only pay attention to blacks a month before any election. Then, nara.

Also, if Holden or Obama do anything to help them, the blacks will be ridiculed as being taken care of by their own kind. Not a good situation. Especially when there are plenty of whites who don't approve of a lot of police and courtroom tactics...who should do something about it.

Whites must involve themselves and demand equal and fair treatment from the law for Blacks and Hispanics, Muslims, whoever.... Whites contribute the most to their campaigns, so the politicians cater to them. If whites want fair treatment for blacks, they should sign petitions, send emails, write letters, and be sure to say, "I am WHITE." It'll make the elected ones sit up and pay attention....not asking for favored treatment, just EQUAL treatment.

[marym625]

18. Article regarding deaths by police

Mother Jones has a great article with the best statistics available. We find out: 

black people were about four times as likely to die in custody or while being arrested than whites

Between 1968 and 2011, black people were between two to eight times more likely to die at the hands of law enforcement than whites. Annually, over those 40 years, a black person was on average 4.2 times as likely to get shot and killed by a cop than a white person. 

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/police-shootings-ferguson-race-data 

[pinboy3niner]

24. K&R

[Flatulo]

30. We need congressional investigations into police brutality.

Nothing less will elevate this problem in the mind of the public.

[Major Hogwash]

44. Yeah, right. That'll happen right after I get married to Oprah Winfrey!!

The fucking Republican hack blowjob artists are going to be too busy contemplating suing Obama over his last Executive Order concerning immigration reform, investigating Benghazi, overturning or defunding Obamacare, limiting access to the internet, defunding parts of the Homeland Security Department, increasing income taxes on the middle class, lowering income taxes on the wealthy and corporations, and trying to get to the final round of Dancing With the Stars.

[Odin2005]

46. I'm white, but as an autistic person I can relate to the feeling of having one's reality dismissed.

Growing up I was constantly accused of "making excuses" and "being lazy", any explanation I gave for my problems was dismissed as just more excuses for being lazy. I suspect this is very similar to what people of color go through when their own experiences are degraded and dismissed.

[logosoco]

48. Fed up older white woman here in agreement.

I am feeling powerless. I got an old achy body and no money.
But, I have a computer. My new year will begin with writing emails and PAPER letters. I am working on a few (it's hard because they end up being emotional). It may not be much, but it is what I can do.

Somehow i was under the impression that raising smart and caring children would change the world. I think all that did was confuse my kids now that they are seeing the world as adults.

[UglyGreed]

52. K&R N/T

[TeeYiYi]

56. You're an older white woman?...

...I had you pegged for a black woman in her thirties.

I've been on DU for a long time and I'm always surprised when I find out someone's personal information. I usually have an idea in my head of who someone is... I'm almost always wrong on gender... and age.

k+r

Black. Lives. Matter.

TYY

[marym625]

58. so glad you said that

Thought it was just me.