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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 05:36 PM Dec 2014

French homeless forced to wear 'yellow triangles'

http://www.thelocal.fr/20141204/french-city-issues-yellow-triangles-to-identify-homeless

Authorities in France’s second-largest city have come under fire for issuing its homeless with ID cards that detail their health issues.

Human rights groups and government ministers have slammed the “yellow triangle cards”, comparing them to the Nazi-era Star of David that was sown onto Jewish people’s clothes during the Holocaust....

“Being identified by either a star or a triangle is horrific,” he said.

French human rights group La Ligue des droits de l’Homme said it was troubled by the resemblance “of this card and the yellow star that the Jews had to wear during World War II.”President François Hollande’s government in Paris has also reacted sharply to the initiative.




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French homeless forced to wear 'yellow triangles' (Original Post) KamaAina Dec 2014 OP
The fuck? shenmue Dec 2014 #1
Obviously, failing at history is not exclusively an American phenomenon nt MrScorpio Dec 2014 #2
In fairness, I don't see anything in the article that says they have to wear it... brooklynite Dec 2014 #3
I hope they don't really have to wear that? bravenak Dec 2014 #4
Why shouldn't everybody be forced to wear it nichomachus Dec 2014 #5
But isn't stigmatizing people the best way to deal with health issues? joeybee12 Dec 2014 #6
Reminds me of something... B2G Dec 2014 #7
The star-bellied Sneetches had stars upon thar's. 11 Bravo Dec 2014 #10
Reminds me of something else... baldguy Dec 2014 #22
History gets repeated, with some alterations to truedelphi Dec 2014 #28
Ten years from now, we'll be wishing we had that Derek V Dec 2014 #8
I think you are too much of an optimist. n/t jtuck004 Dec 2014 #16
This looks like it's probably appalling reporting making a fuss about nothing. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #9
Ah yes, calm down nothing to see here BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #11
I would say "if you look intentionally wrong" rather than "right". Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2014 #31
Why wouldn't they just use MedicAlert bracelets? KamaAina Dec 2014 #29
I'm not sure how I feel about this based on this reporting TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2014 #12
Vichey Government turbinetree Dec 2014 #13
Most all European countries have bad experiences with yellow triangles irisblue Dec 2014 #14
They are not being forced to wear anything. Glassunion Dec 2014 #15
Oh yeah? DeSwiss Dec 2014 #18
WTF? Hey, France! WTF? Enthusiast Dec 2014 #17
I can see how an ID card could help in terms of medical care ... but really a yellow triangle? YOHABLO Dec 2014 #19
Makes you want to go to France and make a bazillion packman Dec 2014 #20
You know, to keep track of them better maybe they should tattoo numbers on their arms. tclambert Dec 2014 #21
Okay, I'm another dumb American, but doesn't France have the dreaded Socialized genwah Dec 2014 #23
Oh Man... This Is So Godwin... WillyT Dec 2014 #24
I say the following... 47of74 Dec 2014 #25
As a cat person, I say this KamaAina Dec 2014 #30
Gosh I have this really crazy idea Kalidurga Dec 2014 #26
Here's the one I'd wear: NBachers Dec 2014 #27

brooklynite

(94,614 posts)
3. In fairness, I don't see anything in the article that says they have to wear it...
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 05:44 PM
Dec 2014

...I see a lot of people complaining about wearing it, but as far as I can see it's a (tastelessly designed) ID card.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
5. Why shouldn't everybody be forced to wear it
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 05:54 PM
Dec 2014

If it's designed to save lives, as it's proponents insist, then why only homeless people? Make everyone wear one. Or no one.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
28. History gets repeated, with some alterations to
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 11:36 PM
Dec 2014

The earlier tale.

And as long as the same group doesn't get affected the second time around, so what, right?

 

Derek V

(532 posts)
8. Ten years from now, we'll be wishing we had that
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:01 PM
Dec 2014

"Hey! Put down that dead rat! I saw it first and I'm starving!"

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
9. This looks like it's probably appalling reporting making a fuss about nothing.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:04 PM
Dec 2014

The city is issuing homeless people with medical ID that they can carry to make it easier to help them in an emergency.

It is *not* forcing them to wear them in public, although it's hard to figure that out from the article.

What isn't wholly clear is whether people are being forced to carry them - if they are then yes, that's a violation of their rights.

But it's embarrassingly obvious that someone has seen the opportunity for a parallels-with-Nazism scandal here and leaped at it unscrupulously.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
11. Ah yes, calm down nothing to see here
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:30 PM
Dec 2014

Just that in a formerly occupied country, if you look right, it looks a lot like this

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
31. I would say "if you look intentionally wrong" rather than "right".
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 04:38 AM
Dec 2014

And yes, I think that "calm down, nothing to see here" is pretty much the correct response, modulo the milder concern I already voiced.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
12. I'm not sure how I feel about this based on this reporting
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:35 PM
Dec 2014

If a person is homeless and carries no ID, who is around to give medical history when he is unconscious?

I think the issuance of these cards is a great idea, as long as they don't have to wear them conspicuously on their body. Frankly, I don't think anyone should even be forced to carry them, but I know many European nations have different ideas about ID requirements.

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
13. Vichey Government
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 06:44 PM
Dec 2014

Ain't this nice we have the reincarnation of there Vichey government and the death triangle but in a different format, just like the Vichey Government in 1941-1944.
Lets march some of these ner do wells down to the Normandy coast and ask them if they remember at what price it took to release them from death squads murdering innocents based on culture and religion

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
18. Oh yeah?
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:40 PM
Dec 2014
- Then why aren't they giving the badges to everyone -- and making everyone wear them -- for everyone's safety? And you're wrong, they are making them wear them. Just ''not visibly'' -- or so they claim.

In a statement given to The Local, one of Marseille’s deputy mayors Xavier Mery said: “I’m appalled by the absurd controversy surrounding this help card distributed by the SAMU (social medical emergency services).

"{The reaction} not only questions the necessity of a scheme for homeless people but also the commitment of the city, the SAMU and volunteers to come to the aid of those who need it the most”.

Mery rejected the idea that the cards need to be worn visibly and say they "allow above all firefighters and care workers to get access to essential information in order to identify, give efficient help and often to save the lives of people lacking a social safety net.”


This is Ebola scare bullshit..........
 

packman

(16,296 posts)
20. Makes you want to go to France and make a bazillion
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 07:54 PM
Dec 2014

T-shirts with that symbol on them and pass them out. I was going to give the example of the King of Denmark in WWII wearing a yellow star when the Nazis took control of their country, but alas that legend is not true.

http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/yellowstars.asp

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
21. You know, to keep track of them better maybe they should tattoo numbers on their arms.
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 08:23 PM
Dec 2014




Please tell me you knew that.

genwah

(574 posts)
23. Okay, I'm another dumb American, but doesn't France have the dreaded Socialized
Thu Dec 4, 2014, 09:16 PM
Dec 2014

Medicine? So if ANYONE is hit by a car, they're taken to a hospital and treated? I get that this is a really, really offensively designed card, and I don't get why it's just for the homeless. Doesn't everyone in France, just by being French, have a medical record somewhere? Okay, you're homeless, maybe you move around in France, don't have a regular doctor or whatever.

And maybe it's me being a dumb American, but aren't we trying to do this with medical records that follow you around? We have pilot programs testing stuff I think...I would love to have a card with a magnetic strip on it that an EMT could swipe into a reader that lists my allergies, drug and otherwise, medical conditions like diabetes, epilepsy, heart disease, etc. It's bad enough that people have to BUY medical alert bracelets, and the people who can't afford them are screwed.

Stigma classing people who are homeless? Fine, issue a readable card; name, picture and magnetic swipe for everyone so the first responder won't go in blind asking questions of people who may not know the answers. And the only reason you need a name in the swipe is so that you can ask the person questions if they're conscious.

I was an Emergency Response Team member in a lab of a major petrochemical corporation. If one of our people made a mistake, we could have required the evacuation of 25k+ people depending on the direction of the wind. This was back in the '80s, and one of the things I never forgot was how little people who work around you know about your co-worker's health issues. The subject came up when we were being trained, and not knowing the difference between an allergic reaction and chemical poisoning was literally, "make the best judgement call you can". Medical privacy laws said we couldn't call HR and ask if this could be an allergy, or maybe something got out past the fume hoods, or really, really worse.

Take off the damn triangle, put in a readable stripe and bring on the cards, not just in France but here. Make it a part of the ACA that everyone carry on their person a card that EMTs can read if, FSM forbid, you fall over in the street. No triangles, just a big "Hey! EMT! Look over here!.

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