I Am Hyper Cacher

[TorchTheWitch]

Who? What? That's the name of the kosher grocery that was part of the terror attacks in France that left 4 dead and others critically wounded and where many hid for hours in cold storage freezers waiting for hours for the police to arrive. The initial shooting started around noon, and the police didn't show up until sundown though the people in hiding inside the market were using their cellphones to call for help.

It took me HOURS to even find the name of the market. And no wonder. Here at DU and in France and in the media who can't even be bothered to find out the name of the market little to no attention has been paid to this other attack by a member of the same group of French home grown terrorists. Terrorists who France KNEW were recruiting "jihadists", that one of them trained in Yemen and another tried to break another terrorist out of jail and yet when found guilty WAIVED the sentence for one of the Kouachi brothers and woefully reduced the sentence of Amedy Coulibalye the terrorist that attacked the market. France let all three of them walk and then paid no attention to what they were doing...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026063371

Immediately after these incidents it's all about free speech rights of Charlie Hebdo to publish religious intolerant material and "I Am Charlie" while what is unsaid is "I am not Hyper Cacher because they're just a bunch of religion followers buying food, and who cares what the name of the market is". Already the attack on Hyper Cacher has been "forgotten". I haven't. I won't. Why have you? Why has France?

Religious intolerance is the seed that breeds extremists, and the worst of extremists become terrorists. I can't and won't be Charlie Hebdo because of their promotion of religious intolerance, and I Am Hyper Cacher because a terrorist attack on people of faith just buying food and who are the targets of intolerance and terrorism on a regular basis all over the world should never go unacknowledged and never because of ironic solidarity with the religious intolerant.

[Fumesucker]

1. Pointing out the intolerance of religions is now intolerance

It's good to know where those of us who have been treated with intolerance by religion now stand.

[TorchTheWitch]

4. that's not what Charlie Hebdo was doing

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They're extremist atheists. Pretending they only were intolerant of perverted beliefs of extremists or the intolerant beliefs from "church" leaders means you haven't paid one wit of attention to what CH has been doing for years under the guise of satire.

We've seen plenty of examples right here in post after post after post of people cheering on their intolerance of those that believe in an "invisible sky being". There are PLENTY of examples of their cartoons that are unquestionably not only intolerant of people that hold the belief in god/s but are also racist and disgusting in the extreme.

Just one example: This is their front page after Boko Haram's kidnapping of hundreds of girls and women almost none of whom have been found most being sold into sex slavery...



The rough translation in the cartoon "bubble" is "Don't touch our welfare checks".
The line right above it roughly translates to "The sex slaves of Boko Haram are angry".

Explain to me how this is not only not racist but utterly disgusting filth that practically cheers on what Boko Haram did and while DU has been almost totally ignoring that Boko Haram just days ago slaughtered thousands of people in Nigeria and torched their villages? Do you even recall what Boko Haram is?

Do a search on CH's cartoons and there are countless examples of equally despicable "satire" that goes so far beyond intolerance to vomitus evil.

And your post is a perfect example of exactly what my OP was about. All that is cared about is Charlie Hebdo completely ignoring the attack on the people in Hyper Cacher and completely ignoring what CH's has been doing for years producing reams of evil filth as the example I gave which I'm sure DU will either ignore or fall all over themselves attempting to "explain".


*On Edit: A million apologies for having to post the cartoon here since despite best efforts there doesn't seem to a be a way to provide the link without DU automatically putting the cartoon itself in the post. But since the majority of posters want the cartoons spread around anyway I suppose it makes sense to show one of the utterly vile ones.

[SidDithers]

6. Discussion of the cover here...

http://www.quora.com/What-was-the-context-of-Charlie-Hebdos-cartoon-depicting-Boko-Haram-sex-slaves-as-welfare-queens

From Adrien Lucas Ecoffet, French citizen

I can only confirm what Jean-Baptiste Froment and Stephen Reed's answers have been saying: it's easy now for non-French observers to imagine Charlie Hebdo as a right wing, racist, anti immigrant publication because of the fact that they have only seen covers about fundamentalist Islam.

The reality is, Charlie Hebdo is a far left, pro-immigrant publication, of which many contributors have been members of anti-racist organizations.

As the other answers have mentioned, this cover is simply the combination of two news stories to make a provocative joke. This is a very common occurrence in Charlie Hebdo front pages.

He then provides other examples of Charlie Hebdo doing the same thing and concludes with:

Overall I don't think you should make much of this front page. Clearly people are cherry-picking Charlie Hebdo covers in an attempt to prove that it is a racist, anti-Islam publication, perhaps in some form of victim-blaming, when this assertion is absolutely preposterous to anyone who actually knows the newspaper.

Lots of cherry-picking going on around here too.

Sid

[Surya Gayatri]

10. Thanks Sid...

See my reply here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026061622#post73

""CHARLIE HEBDO is an equal-opportunity offender...

There is hardly a race, religion, creed, nationality, or political persuasion that they have not skewered.

Their stated mission is to provoke, put down, and push the envelope--which they have done with relish and abandon. "Blasphemy" is their middle name.

I live in France and can honestly say that I've never appreciated their brand of "humour". But, their existence in a pluralistic, multi-cultural republic is essential and must never be infringed.

As so many headlines are proclaiming, "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T READ IT!""

[PeaceNikki]

21. Thanks for that link, Sid.

I read it the other day and couldn't find it again today quickly.

These comments stuck out for me:

Charlie Hebdo is known for being left-wing attached and very controversial, and I think they wanted to parody people who criticize "welfare queens" by taking this point-of-view to the absurd, to show that immigrant women in France are more likely to be victims of patriarchy than evil manipulative profiteers.

And of course if we only stay on the first-degree approach, it's a terrible racist and absurd cover.

And in Re: to the woman depicted as a monkey:

The first clue that all is not what it seems is that the cartoon was drawn by Charb - the editor himself. He was a Communist, and his girlfriend's parents were North African. A funny kind of racist. Next you have to note that the text next to that cartoon says "Rassemblement Bleu Raciste". This is a play on "Rassemblement Bleu Marine", the slogan of Marine Le Pen's national front, and the tricolor flame next to it is the party logo.

So, what you then need to know is that the cartoon was published after a National Front politician Facebooked a photoshop of the woman in the cartoon as a monkey, and then said on French TV that she should be "in a tree swinging from the branches rather than in government".

French Far-Right Politician Compares Justice Minister To Monkey

The cartoon is literally saying the National Front are racists. I'm genuinely not sure whether propagating the imagery is or isn't a useful way of mocking the FN, but turning an antifascist cartoon into evidence of racism based on no understanding at all takes some real pathology.

[bettyellen]

12. the word is "whit" not wit.

[Behind the Aegis]

2. Je suis Hyper Cacher!

Targeted for who they are.

[Surya Gayatri]

3. With all due respect, TTW, I'm afraid you don't know what you're talking about...

You are totally mistaken regarding France's reaction to the hostage-taking at the Jewish Hyper Cächer grocery store. Just because the blinkered and biased American press isn't reporting it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

I live 5 minutes away (by bicycle) from the supermarket in question and can tell you first-hand that the whole surrounding area has become an improvised shrine to the four people killed there.

The crime scene has been visited by all of France's political leaders and by representatives of all of France's religious communities (including leading Muslim imams).

During yesterday's National March for Unity all over France (I happen to live 2 minutes from the Place de la Nation, the final destination of the rally), thousands and thousands of improvised banners and posters said: "Je suis Charlie, Je suis Policier, Je suis Juif, etc.--I am Charlie, I am a Police Officer, I am Jewish, I am Muslim, I am Atheist, I am Ahmed (murdered Muslim policeman) I am Yohav (murdered Jewish shopper)."


«Je suis Charlie, juif, policier»: Paris à l’heure d’un sursaut historique

http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2015/01/11/je-suis-charlie-juif-policier-paris-a-l-heure-d-un-sursaut-historique_1178318

http://mcetv.fr/mon-mag-politique-societe/1101-je-suis-charlie-je-suis-juif-je-suis-musulman-je-suis-policier-diams-atterree-choquee-facebook/

Manuel Valls porte de Vincennes : "la France sans les juifs de France n'est plus la France"
("France without its Jews is no longer France&quot

Des pancartes disant "Je suis juif" ou "Je suis hyper casher"
(Posters proclaiming "I am Jewish" or "I am Hyper Cächer)

"Des milliers de personnes dont le Premier ministre étaient présentes samedi soir devant la supérette casher où a eu lieu la prise d'otages vendredi."

http://www.rtl.fr/actu/societe-faits-divers/rassemblement-porte-de-vincennes-manuel-valls-est-sur-place-7776168281

Les manifestants brandissaient de petites pancartes proclamant : "Charlie Juif Flic : je suis la République". Des affichettes étaient brandies avec le nom des victimes. La formule "je suis" était en blanc, "la République" en rouge sur un fond marine.

Des personnes criaient "Je suis Juif" sur le mode de "Je suis Charlie" mais aussi "morts parce que Juifs" ou "Je suis hyper casher", du nom de la supérette attaquée par le jihadiste.

Des manifestants agitaient des drapeaux français et la foule a chanté la Marseillaise. Quelques personnes ont aussi chanté "Merci M. Chalghoumi", du nom de l'imam de Drancy qui était présent.

[randome]

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[Pooka Fey]

7. Thank you for this post nt

[TorchTheWitch]

8. And where have you been letting DU in on this?

I'm not anywhere near France so obviously can't know other than through the internet including photos and videos that I don't need to be a French speaker to understand yet there's nothing that depicts anything concerning France's response to the attack on Hyper Cacher, and searches for photos and videos bring up foreign links. Loads of both showing the rescue though and reams of vile Charlie Hebdo cartoons.

I notice all your links are in French none of which non-French readers can read, but thanks all the same for them. It's hardly just the American press that has been ignoring the attack on Hyper Casher shoppers it's the world press. As I said it took my hours just to find any English language press before I finally found the name of the market, and that, by the way, was from the Washington Post.

I have no way to know what's on the ground in France seeing as I'm thousands of miles away, and the only thing I said about it in my OP was three words. The entire premise of my OP was DU's ignoring the attack on the shoppers at Hyper Cacher, yet the only thing you latched onto was those three words and when you've not bothered to mention DU's utter lack of interest in the attack on Hyper Cacher here yourself though you're the one that lives 5 minutes away from it by bicycle. Between the two of us I'm stunned that I'm the one bringing up DU's ignoring that attack rather than you. If I was the one at ground zero of the Hyper Cacher attack I'd be running a raging flaming tear on DU's ignoring it and at the very LEAST thanking whoever brought it up that has no way to know what France's reaction was concerning solidarity with those shoppers even after hours of searching.

[Surya Gayatri]

9. I've had other "centres d'intérêts" (centers of interest) the last few days besides perusing DU....

In fact, DU has been "le cadet de mes soucis" (the least of my worries) recently. My focus has been on what's happening in France, as I live at "ground zero" as it were. (15 minutes from the Charlie Hebdo offices, 5 minutes from the Jewish grocery and 2 minutes from Place de la Nation, the end point of the massive Paris rally for unity.)

Other Duers appear to have had better luck than you finding reports of France's reaction in the international press to the Jewish murders:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026074965#post1
"I also noticedwhile watching the BBC - a station notorious for their anti-Israel bent - make note, time and time again, about the 4 Jews killed in Paris. Just about every reporter on the ground mentioned it as well. I have no beef whatsoever with the press coverage of this."

[Bluenorthwest]

14. Thanks for your posts and let me say I am amused that suddenly the entire world claims to understand

French humor and satire.

[Surya Gayatri]

15. N'est-ce pas ? Suddenly, everybody's an expert

on the intentions of a uniquely French satirical newspaper (with nothing to compare in American journalism except maybe "The Onion", which is still a hundred times tamer).
It's the latest in a long tradition of scurrilous French satire going back to the Revolution. The government has attempted to ban them several times, but they just keep coming back in other guises.

THANK THE LIBERTY-LOVING GODS FOR CHARLIE HEBDO!!!

[Bluenorthwest]

20. I first visited Paris as a 12 year old in the 70's

The US does not have the sort of satire that even the UK has, much less France....would that we did!

[Surya Gayatri]

23. God, yes! Mad Magazine, back in the day, sometimes hit the mark,

but never with the scope and equal-opportunity blasphemy of Charlie.

American journalists are, by and large, big politically-correct wusses these days, due to their dependence on corporate largess.

Back in the 19th and early 20th centuries, they were much more osé and in-your-face.

[TorchTheWitch]

27. Yet you called out my OP that had everything to do with DU's ignoring Hyper Cacher

The only reason you know about another poster having found such reports is because they told you in that thread where you called me out. Just like you, I can't read every single post on DU because it's impossible to begin with, and I have far more important things going on in my own life. I also made it absolutely clear that I did search for the information for HOURS and it took that long just to find the name of the market - that's how little interest has been paid to it in the press - and NOT just American press - because I mostly read English language foreign press as I live here and know perfectly well how fucked up the American press is. I don't have tv and haven't for years and have never bought any pay tv because the very idea of paying for it disgusts me.

Your ENTIRE reaction to my thread in solidarity with those shoppers where you live so close to Hyper Cacher was about what extraordinarily little I mentioned about France which obviously was based on HOURS of my own research that came up with zip. The obvious premise of my thread was about (one more time) DU's utter lack of even acknowledgment of that attack and utter lack of solidarity when DU has been filled to bursting with solidarity for the attack on Charlie Hebdo offices coupled with the usual attacks on believers in a deity.

One would think that you'd be GLAD that someone brought up DU's ignoring the attack that occurred so close to you and saying they were in solidarity with those shoppers. But oh no, you did nothing but attack me for what I tried to discover about France's reaction and couldn't find ignoring the obvious premise of DU's ignoring the attack on those shoppers and the very puzzling lack of English language press... and somehow that's MY fault that English language press has been ignoring that attack to the point where they can't even be bothered to mention the name of the market. Pardon me that I can't possibly have the knowledge that you do nor be able to read French though you peppered your attack on me with links to French language press that has ZERO meaning to me as I can't read a word of it just as most people here can't. And all whole premise of my thread was about DU's lack of giving a shit and my solidarity with those shoppers which I already said.

I'm MORE than happy that France is in solidarity with those shoppers, but thanks to your response attacking me despite hours of effort searching for it and then your doubling down by calling me out in your own thread once again ignoring it's obvious premise and making it all about France's reaction (and when call outs of posters aren't allowed here) makes my thread about solidarity with those shoppers and DU ignoring them fly right the fuck out the window. Your actions just put the guarantee to DU not giving a single fart in the wind about solidarity with those shoppers that you've spent so much effort to insist France has.

Despite your efforts I AM STILL AND ALWAYS HYPER CACHER.

[Surya Gayatri]

36. When I said you didn't know what you were talking about,

(These and dozens more highly-trained RAID officers were in place not 30 minutes after the HYPER CACHER alarm went up. The whole sector was cordoned off within 10 minutes.)

Torch the Witch, I was referring solely to the situation in France. I have not been paying heed to DU's internicine disputes.

As for "calling out your OP", I was specifically replying to your implications in paragraph two.

Being somewhat sensitive to French bashing as a dual-national with French citizenship, I found your suggestion that French authorities practice institutional anti-semitism to be insulting, and just plain off the mark.

I'm afraid you don't know the first thing about best law enforcement practice in hostage-taking situations.

Anti-terrorist storm troopers are trained first to assess the situation and minimize the loss of life. The 4 Jewish store employees and shoppers were killed within the first few minutes. None were lost after the troopers and negotiators arrived on-site.

"Wear 'em down and wait 'em out"--that's what they learn in anti-terrorism school.

[uppityperson]

31. Thank you for your posts and je suis désolé

That poster does this, please do not take it personally and hope you are doing ok. Again, thank you for your posts.

[Surya Gayatri]

40. Je t'en prie, et pas la peine de t'excuser. Ce sont des malentendus qui arrivent...

You're welcome and you don't have to apologize. These misunderstandings happen...

[bettyellen]

13. I saw pretty extensive coverage on CNN, after reading about it here first. So, there's that.

[TorchTheWitch]

34. coverage of what?

There was loads of coverage of the rescue, but that's obviously not what I was talking about.

And if it was tv CNN I wouldn't have seen as I don't get tv and won't pay for it even if I could afford to.

And thank you for your efforts of bringing up a spelling mistake I made that spell check didn't find because spelling is certainly more important than anything else in this discussion rather than DU ignoring the attack on Hyper Cacher.

[bettyellen]

37. Not sure why you are commenting on "the media" when you do not "get TV"?

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Saw coverage on the supermarket while the hostages were inside, as well as the aftermath. But I first read about BOTH on DU. It was not ignored here or in the media. Look downthread- you missed it and made awful assumptions about DUers in the process.

And, you're welcome. Glad I could be of assistance after spell check had failed you so.

[PeaceNikki]

22. The second paragraph of your OP rips France apart in a rather nasty fashion.

[Surya Gayatri]

25. Thank you for calling out this anti-French rhetoric, PN!

I happen to have dual citizenship, and I found the implications to be very offensive. Torch the Witch all but openly accuses French authorities of purposeful anti-semitism.

TTW obviously has no clue about police tactics during a hostage-taking. "Wait it out and wear them down", that's best practice.

[muriel_volestrangler]

26. English language coverage:

On the day:

Hostages from the Hyper Cacher are led away

Hostages from the Hyper Cacher are led away by French police officers

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2015/jan/09/siege-at-kosher-supermarket-in-paris-in-pictures

Armed anti-terror teams have surrounded the Hypercacher supermarket on avenue de la Porte de Vincennes in eastern Paris, where a gunman is said to be holding five hostages.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30740115

Police confirmed earlier that hostage-taker Amedy Coulibaly, 32, is now dead after holding several hostages for over four hours at the Jewish-run Hyper Cacher supermarket in the Paris suburb of Porte de Vincennes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-live-video-from-kosher-grocery-store-siege-9967975.html

Police forces storm the Hyper Cacher kosher grocery store in Porte de Vincennes in eastern Paris on Friday, freeing 15 hostages reportedly being held to help the Kouachi brothers escape authorities.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/suspected-charlie-hebdo-terrorists-steal-car-report-article-1.2071330

The gunman who killed a police officer yesterday in Montrouge has taken five hostages and injured at least one person at a kosher food shop at the eastern edge of Paris, Agence France-Presse reported, citing police sources.

Gunshots were heard at the shop called Hyper Cacher near the Porte de Vincennes.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2015-01-09/paris-gunman-takes-hostage-injures-one-at-kosher-food-store

The supermarket in question was named in reports as the Hypercacher Vincennes.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/paris-gunman-threatens-to-kill-hostages-657462.html

Earlier the gunman had threatened to kill five hostages being held at the Hypercacher Vincennes if police launched an assault on the cornered Charlie Hebdo attackers Said and Cherif Kouachi holed up in an industrial estate with a hostage in a town around 40kms north of Paris.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/four-hostages-in-paris-siege-killed-along-with-gunman-1.2060339

Update, 10 a.m.: France 24 and the AP are reporting that police are ordering stores in the traditionally Jewish Paris neighborhood of Le Marais to close. The Marais is not near the Hyper Cacher (Hyper Cacher = Super Kosher, though the word is usually spelled casher) store in eastern Paris where hostages have been taken, but presumably authorities are worried about the possibility of more violence against Jewish businesses.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/09/charlie_hebdo_running_blog_updates_on_the_situation_in_france.html

Four people, including the alleged gunman, were killed Friday after the shooter seized a kosher supermarket in Paris and held people captive inside, Hollande said. At least five hostages were freed after dozens of heavily armed French police officers stormed the store, Hyper Cacher.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/paris-suspects-cornered-hostage-charlie-hebdo

"...waiting for hours for the police to arrive. The initial shooting started around noon, and the police didn't show up until sundown though the people in hiding inside the market were using their cellphones to call for help."

That's not true. The TV was showing huge numbers of police vehicles cordoning off the area.

"It took me HOURS to even find the name of the market. And no wonder. Here at DU and in France and in the media who can't even be bothered to find out the name of the market"

You could have looked in the LBN thread that reported the start of the situation: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014984219

Notice that that report (English language, US site) says the police had already surrounded the supermarket. So DU 'found the name' about 1 hour after the siege started, as the reports were coming in.

"little to no attention has been paid to this other attack by a member of the same group of French home grown terrorists."

There are loads of DU threads about it. There are even more - literally thousands - of articles on it.

"Already the attack on Hyper Cacher has been "forgotten". I haven't. I won't. Why have you? Why has France?"

No-one has forgotten it. Again, look at the thousands of articles.

[uppityperson]

32. Thank you for posting those.

Maybe we are all on ignore?

[TorchTheWitch]

43. I was not talking about the attack itself

I SAID that. How the fuck else would I have known about the attack if not for the media for crying out loud??? I was talking about the lack of solidarity with the shoppers at Hyper Cacher on DU and the lack of same in English language media which is what I discovered doing my OWN research which is what I SAID. Yet I had to dig for hours to find any article about the attack itself that mentioned the name of the market other than calling it a "kosher grocery/market/supermarket" and where it was located which should be further evidence that OF COURSE I knew about the attack not the mention how I could have made the the thread AT ALL without the media talking about it to begin with. How that most obvious thing escaped you is anyone's guess.

I don't get tv, like everyone else here I can't read every single post by every single person not to mention my long ignore list and the fact that DU cuts out entire subthreads leading from one person on ignore though all of the following regardless of those posts are made by people on ignore or not. And of course, like most people here, I can't read French, making a certain person's lengthy list of French language links utterly useless to me and every other person here that also can't read French. Shame on me for not becoming instantly and magically fluent in French when I did all that research.

It is not just coincidence that what I've personally found (since I'm not omniscient) on DU and in English language media on the internet is massive "I Am Charlie" solidarity and no "I Am Hyper Cacher" solidarity be it in print, photos video or cartoons. Everything I have personally found even after hours of research has been all about free speech rights re: Charlie Hebdo and the attack on Charlie Hebdo, and I'm not the only one given the recs before the mass attack on me by the person doing all the call outs on me and discussing me as if I can't see what they're saying in my own thread that has never been allowed here.

I Am Hyper Cacher. Interesting the number of people in this thread not saying they are also in solidarity with them.

[uppityperson]

45. Maybe if you didn't have a "long ignore list" you might see that DU is covering that

Maybe if you asked for help translating rather than yelling "Shame on me for not becoming instantly and magically fluent in French when I did all that research" it might help?

Everything I have personally found even after hours of research has been all about free speech rights re: Charlie Hebdo and the attack on Charlie Hebdo, and I'm not the only one given the recs before the mass attack on me by the person doing all the call outs on me and discussing me as if I can't see what they're saying in my own thread that has never been allowed here.

Maybe if you didn't have a long ignore list, you'd be able to read threads. It seems counter productive to have a large ignore list then complain something isn't being covered here.

[muriel_volestrangler]

47. And I have given you multiple examples of English language media giving the name HyperCacher

on the day. I could have given even more, but I thought giving 9 separate reports would have been enough to prove the point. Not to you, it seems.

I have pointed out that the LBN thread on the start of the siege mentioned it in the OP. You didn't have to 'dig' to find that at all.

You say "like everyone else here I can't read every single post by every single person". Then don't complain about what people on DU are saying if you're skipping large parts of it. "the fact that DU cuts out entire subthreads leading from one person on ignore" - then don't put people on ignore and then expect to be able to use DU as your sole news source. You could have used The Guardian, or the BBC, or The Independent, or the New York Daily News or any of the other sources I've already listed that gave the name. Or the ones I haven't listed.

Since you also claimed that France was also ignoring the supermarket events, or had forgotten, then it's highly relevant to tell you what French media says. We're showing you you're wrong about DU, about France, and about English language media.

On DU we have had, just in LBN:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014984219 Two Killed in New Paris Hostage Standoff at Kosher Grocery Shop
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014984336 Police storm Paris grocery where gunman holds 5 hostages
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014984436 French Police Storm Hostage Sites, Killing Gunmen.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014984784 Prosecutor: The four hostages who died at a kosher grocery store in Paris were killed by a gunman
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014985338 French Gunman Met Sarkozy in 'Crazy' Security Blunder
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014985362 Grocery hostage-taker’s girlfriend left France
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014985406 Source: Terror cells activated in France
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014985745 Gunman tried to justify market raid to hostages, recording apparently shows
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014985841 Prosecutor: Paris grocery gunman linked to 3rd shooting
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014985995 Muslim immigrant from Mali hailed for life-saving courage during Paris siege at kosher market
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014986114 France gunman pledges loyalty to IS in posthumous video

That's just the LBN threads, which are limited to one per new development. GD has:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026061732 BREAKING (AJE): Armed man holding hostages at Kosher supermarket in Paris
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026062404 Live coverage of manhunt in France...shots being fired. Link here: (covers both sieges)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026062528 BREAKING - gunfire, explosions also heard at Paris supermarket
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026062556 BREAKING: Police sources report six hostages at Paris supermarket are dead
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026062616 Hostages freed from East Paris market, dead asshole brothers got their "martyr" status
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026062691 Police order shops closed in Jewish area in central Paris
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026062710 Shopping for Shabbat on a Friday...the timing of this is
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026062785 So...Someone Tell Me How Gefilte Fish is Offensive, Or Why Hit a Kosher Supermarket?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026062833 PHOTOS: Hostages being freed from Jewish grocery store


All that is just up to 1 hour after the killer was shot. I could go on for pages listing DU threads about the supermarket, that note it was a kosher supermarket and the significance of that. But you really ought to look for yourself. Just order the GD threads by start time, and go back to page 11 and then work up to today. Look at how much has been said over the 3 days.

You don't appear to have tried looking for DU threads, or for English language media reports, and now, for some bizarre reason, you're trying to blame others for that.

[uppityperson]

48. Thank you.

You are remarkably restrained. Thank you for all of those links.

[Surya Gayatri]

49. Very sorry if my French references upset you, TTW.

"And of course, like most people here, I can't read French, making a certain person's lengthy list of French language links utterly useless to me and every other person here that also can't read French. Shame on me for not becoming instantly and magically fluent in French when I did all that research."
(I'm presuming that the "certain person" you speak of here is me?)

If I haven't yet been put on your apparently extensive ignore list, allow me to apologize for not translating more of my post than I did.

I happen to live in France, was referencing a French story and used the French press.

I was in a hurry and just translated the really pertinent passages.

Are you aware that Google has a fairly good translation function? I didn't use it because the quality is often so-so, and I was afraid it would do more harm than help. So I did a quick DIY.

[FSogol]

11. +1. Thanks for posting. n/t

[Surya Gayatri]

16. Je t'en prie...(you're welcome)!

[PeaceNikki]

17. Thank you for your important perspective!

[Surya Gayatri]

18. Je t'en prie (you're welcome)...I just feel privileged to be here

to witness it--I live practically at "ground zero"--15 minutes from the Charlie Hebdo offices, 5 minutes from the Jewish grocery, and 2 minutes from Place de la Nation (end point for the Paris march).

[PeaceNikki]

19. Please stay safe!

And keep us updated when you are able and willing.

I really like this image and the message behind it.

[Surya Gayatri]

24. Thanks, PN. Will do, and now that things have settled a bit,

maybe I'll have the time and inclination to post a bit more on DU.

[uppityperson]

28. I saw the name of the market in the photos right after it happened. I also read about it on DU,

including the translation of what Hyper Cacher means (super kosher). I have read MANY articles from thread on DU, and many threads here about that attack.

Odd.

[PeaceNikki]

30. This OP is as ridiculous as it is offensive.

[uppityperson]

29. I reject your premise that the attack on Hyper Cacher has been forgotten and question why it took

HOURS for your to find out the name of the store.

Already the attack on Hyper Cacher has been "forgotten". I haven't. I won't. Why have you? Why has France?

There are many DU thread since the attack including the name and what it translates to. The name of the store is apparently obvious on any photo of the front of the store.

Chiding DU and France for "forgetting" these attacks when neither has is incredible. I do not want to assume you are doing this maliciously, perhaps you simply have not seen the threads about it, and perhaps you did not notice the name of the store largely posted on the front of it in the photos. Since Friday. For instance




Finally, since France has "forgotten" this attack, aside from the international and USA media, French DUers, my family and friends I have heard from in France, their friends who have posted things, the French media, from France...

[PeaceNikki]

33. Googling "french supermarket shootings" brings you the name pretty quickly.

[onenote]

35. no way it took you hours to find the name of the grocery

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Unless you were trying not to find it.

[PeaceNikki]

39. Agreed. If it took hours, then you suck at the internet.

[bettyellen]

38. " The initial shooting started around noon, and the police didn't show up until sundown though the

..... though the people in hiding inside the market were using their cellphones to call for help."


Here is a link that could help you understand what the police actually did do: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/world/europe/charlie-hebdo-paris-shooting.html?_r=0


"The raids, led by heavily armed elite police units, unfolded nearly simultaneously on the eastern edge of Paris and north of the city — at a printing plant where the two brothers of Algerian descent suspected in the newspaper attack held a hostage, and at a kosher supermarket where an armed associate of African origin had lined the place with explosives and threatened to kill the shoppers at his mercy.

During the assault on the Hyper Cacher supermarket, the police units were sprayed with bullets, said Christophe Tirante, a senior police official.


The police also said the supermarket had been booby-trapped, making it especially hard to get to the hostage taker.
Rocco Contento, a spokesman for the Unité S.G.P. police union in Paris, said the police had been helped by someone hiding in a cold meat locker in the supermarket who had texted helpful messages. Four of the hostages were killed, but the Paris prosecutor, François Molins, said all had died when the terrorist stormed the supermarket in the early afternoon, not in the police raid."

[uppityperson]

41. For your education, a timeline of Hyper Cacher market incident, far different from your take on it.

Since you seem confused about what happened when, I found an easily readable timeline for you.

Just so you don't miss it, here is the first bit, at 1:30 pm French special forces surround the market, helicopters in the air.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/01/09/how_events_unfolded_during_hostage_taking_at_paris_kosher_market.html

1:30 p.m. An armed gunman, maybe two, takes over a Jewish supermarket in Vincennes. It is unclear if there are hostages inside and, if so, how many. French special forces surround the supermarket, close off many roads and shut down businesses in a sweeping perimeter around the area. Helicopters are in the air.....(more)

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

42. It didn't take me hours to find the name of the market

Hyper Cacher (Eee-Pair-Ka-Share) means Hyper Kosher or Kosher-To-The-Extreme. I saw the name of the market from the very first moments the story was reported. I see that name on the outside of the market every time video of the outside of the grocery is shown on CNN or any other news broadcasts, which is hundreds of times a day. I knew it was a Jewish market attacked even before the news started reporting it as a Jewish business. And your statement that France or anyone else has forgotten the market is laughable. That's all they're talking about on TV. CNN is covering the Hyper Cacher story from every possible angle ... exhaustively. Stories about the Jewish funerals for the victims were just shown. Stories about the people who survived in the refrigerator with a live baby were just shown. Stories about the Moslem gentlemen who hid people in that refrigerator were just shown. As I type, they're again talking about Hyper Cacher and the fact the attacker was on a U.S. terrorist database. The story has been shown over, under, sideways, down, backward, forward, square, and round.

Yours is a non-post, devoid of content.

[PeaceNikki]

44. It's full of content!! Nasty, shitty attacks on France and DU/DUers

[uppityperson]

46. "not to mention my long ignore list " which could be the problem.