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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWith Syriza’s Victory, the Anti-Austerity Movement is Going Mainstream
http://inthesetimes.com/article/17577/syriza_austerityMany have attributed the partys meteoric rise to power as a product of the brutal austerity conditions imposed on Greece by the International Monetary Fund and the European Union in their 2010 bailout of the country. Such measures have destroyed a quarter of the countrys GDP, and driven youth unemployment to an astounding 50 percent. At this point, the countrys non-working population outnumbers the employed as national debt continues to skyrocket.
Syriza has offered Greece a hopeful alternative, focused on getting people back to work, transforming the political system, and meeting basic needs. The party plans to immediately implement programs to guarantee housing and electricity as well as provide free medical and pharmaceutical care for the unemployed, among other measures aimed at reconstituting the countrys social safety netleft to crumble under austerity. In Brussels, they also plan to push for a renegotiation of the countrys debt, an infusion of capital for a European New Deal, and quantitative easing. In confronting the Eurozone and the IMF, the party has grown into rather than shrunk from its radical-left, anti-capitalist roots. Speaking with the Guardian, Tsipras noted, This crisis is not coincidental. Its a structural crisis of capitalism and of its neoliberal model.
Syrizas success, however, is about more than just material conditions. Emerging from various splits in Greeces communist left, as well as the alter-globalization and anti-racist movements, the party jolted from relative obscurity by mobilizing a younger, more populist base alongside trade unionists and older middle-class Greeks shaken by the countrys financial crisis. The party has made a public alliance with the Spanish populist party Podemos, or We Can, a largely decentralized formation out of that countrys Indignados movement that, of late, has surged in popular opinion polls and predicts a strong turnout in the Spanish general election later this year.
elleng
(130,974 posts)and similar movements elsewhere, will serve as bases for expansion around the world, and give Americans a serious boost.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)I see little else providing hope for the future (about which I am very concerned, especially with young grandkids.)
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)be doing something to make it happen.
elleng
(130,974 posts)(I'm retired, have 2 LITTLE grandkids and more to come,) about moving into future positives (OUT of any fossil-fuel stuff, not sure what I have, into +environmental, and into pro-future developing markets) and taking hits now, for one thing. I don't have a very large portfolio, but its part of what I might be able to do. And contribute somewheres.Will try to think of what else I might do. If you come up with ideas, please let me know.
Eliz Warren (and Bernie S) have a handle, but I don't see them as realistic for now except to keep them where they are.
Start a 'movement' at DU?
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)maybe the goal was too amorphous; I can't remember anymore.
it would seem to be an ideal place to organize, but what would the programme be?
elleng
(130,974 posts)what would the program be. Need to find areas for support, international and national?, that are ripe, like Spain and elsewhere? Watch news?
edit: Have to get us all, including stock-holders, away from demanding immediate/short-term gains, and into future-oriented, meaning changing entire world economy (Not asking much, right? Check Robert Reich, who seems to have a handle, Krugman.)
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)since people are widely separated, it tends to be limited to the internet. and I don't think the internet is that effective for real politics.
maybe its good for brainstorming, planning and information sharing.
elleng
(130,974 posts)and in the U.S., action on the streets, as in Europe, just doesn't happen. And of course, there's our corrupt voting system.
edit: and look at what's happened to our labor movement.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)what kinds of actions are useful actions?
but tonight that's about all I can manage. I'm tired and depressed, to be honest. I will talk to you again, I hope.
elleng
(130,974 posts)other stuff reserved for that. Yes, let's talk again.
Add France: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141003302
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Actually, I'm hopeful watching a new generation rediscovering the concept of "Unions".
Let's face it, America's management/labor relationship was borne from slavery and management would like to return to that arrangement.
elleng
(130,974 posts)unfortunately.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)'Right to Work.'
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JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The gold standard in Iowa polling just came out, and there's big news:
One year out from the first-in-the-nation-caucuses, Elizabeth Warren is rising in the pollsfrom 10% support just a few months ago to 16% today.1
As The Des Moines Register put it: "A draft effort by liberal groups appears to be raising Warren's profile, and the people who are discovering Warren generally like her."2
And what's even more exciting? Warren's level of support today is almost identical to Barack Obama's at the same time a year before his first Iowa Caucuses, which he ended up winning before being propelled all the way to the White House.3
I can't give you a link. It was an e-mail.
But here are quotes from the Des Moines Register:
2. ELIZABETH WARREN, U.S. senator from Massachusetts
Fifty-eight percent of likely Democratic caucusgoers view her favorably, compared with 11 percent who have negative feelings and 31 percent who are unsure. She's the first choice for 16 percent of likely caucusgoers.
A draft effort by liberal groups appears to be raising Warren's profile, and the people who are discovering Warren generally like her, but her seriousness as a presidential candidate remains unclear. She has consistently said she is not a candidate for president, even as she's been coy about whether that could change.
If she did get into the race, Warren would be a viable competitor in Iowa, Link said.
DESMOINESREGISTER
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2015/01/31/iowa-poll-hillary-clinton-big-lead/22660295/
Then:
When 12 voters gathered in Aurora, Colorado, for a political focus group on Thursday night, it wasnt surprising to hear them compete to see who could bash politicians more. If we got rid of every member of Congress and elected new people tomorrow who had no experience, I dont think we could do any worse, said Charlie Loan, who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012. When the group was asked to come up with phrases members of Congress should wear on wrist bracelets, they suggested Dont trust me, I lie, Looking out for me, and Two Faced.
John Dickerson John Dickerson
John Dickerson is Slate's chief political correspondent and author of On Her Trail. Read his series on the presidency and on risk.
But one politician escaped the voters ire: Elizabeth Warren. Six of the 12 said they would like to have Warren over to their house to talk, more than any other possible 2016 presidential contender they were asked about. They said she was down to earth and knowledgeable. When asked a separate question about which politician they would like to have live next door, they picked Warren over every other contender as well. Jenny Howard, an accountant with student-loan debt who voted for Romney in 2012 and Sen. John McCain in 2008, also liked Warren: If she ran, she could be the next president because she is personable and knowledgeable and has a good handle on whats going on in the country.
Peter Hart organized this Colorado focus group. Hart, a Democratic pollster for more than 40 years, helps conduct the Wall Street Journal/ NBC poll and has been holding these kinds of sessions for the past four presidential elections. The focus group was the first of a series of such two-hour interviews of swing voters that Hart will do leading up to the 2016 presidential election, for the Annenberg Public Policy Center to track how voter sentiment changes.
. . . .
The affection for Warren among the group of five self-described independents, three Republicans, and four Democrats may not tell us anything about the Massachusetts senator herself. Its possible that she is a vehicle through which they are signaling their desire for change, for something authentic and maybe new. Charlie Loan, an IT manager, says he voted the straight conservative line in the most recent election but hed listen to what Warren had to say. The little I have seen and heard from her, she seems genuinepeople from [Oklahoma] usually are. Since she was formerly devoted to the Republican Party, maybe she fits in the middle somewhere, which is where I would like to see most of them be. She is clearly well-educated and seems level-headed.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/01/elizabeth_warren_does_well_in_peter_hart_focus_group_voters_not_excited.html
Warren is not a raving liberal. She is viewed as level-headed. But she is not beholden to the Wall Street, "free" trade, ship-American-job-overseas crowd. I agree that she could have strong cross-over appeal. MaDem in particular argues that she has personal problems with her background that could distract in her campaign. But I think that Hillary has just as many personal negatives, and by the time of the election, Hillary will have many more. MaDem argues that Hillary has been vetted. I argue that she is boring. We shall see.
I think that Elizabeth Warren is the candidate with the most charisma. Far more than any candidate in either party. I don't know whether others will agree with me, but I think they will. As for Elizabeth Warren's negatives, she is not particularly pushing to run (as is Hillary). She is not ambitious to sit in the White House. She is not out to prove something. I think she is genuinely interested in fairness and opportunities for people.
Don't give up on her. Let's see what happens.
elleng
(130,974 posts)I suspect that IF she wanted it, she could have the nomination (AND the presidency,) but I don't think she does want it, don't think she wants to challenge Hillary. I think Eliz is in our future. She is surely level headed, a necessary quality for a world leader. And I think any personal problems in her back ground are of no consequence. People see what she is, and Hillary has many more negatives, imo.
Thanks again. This is a fight well worth sticking with, imo, the larger one, that is, pro-Greece etc, anti-austerity b.s., anti-bank/wall street.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I like it!
Finally, the Meaningless Middle is more afraid of the imminent destruction of civilization than being "associated with those radicals".
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)There does seem to be hope after all, as the anti-racist activists and other progressives of the European continent continue to gain steam; may Syriza's victory be only one of the first of many more to come.....
elleng
(130,974 posts)See this thread above, Joe.
elleng
(130,974 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)'Over the weekend, Yanis Varoufakis, the governments firebrand finance minister, said it was halting discussions with the committee of technocrats that have been coming to Greece since 2010 to oversee the governments austerity measures.
But he also made clear that Greece would maintain broader debt discussions with its primary creditors: Europe, the E.C.B. and the International Monetary Fund. Greece must make 20 billion euros in debt payments to these entities in 2015, according to an analysis by Brean Capital, an investment firm.
We never said we would not talk to our partners or that we would default, Mr. Varoufakis said in an interview.'
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2015/02/01/as-new-government-takes-shape-in-greece-e-c-b-again-considers-aiding-its-banks/?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
ND-Dem and I are thinking about all of this, how to take advantage of of an evolving situation. See above.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I cannot imagine that the US would spend so much on maintaining a military presence in West Germany and the Middle East and not do everything possible to protect its dominance and access to the ports in Greece and the Greek position at the mouth to the Eastern Mediterranean and proximity to the Black Sea.
The big problem for Syriza is that it has to be very reasonable because the Greek and Western military authorities can easily take control. It happened before in Greece. I recall that the Greek generals were in control in the early 1970s. I'm not sure when they took control. Does anyone else know?
elleng
(130,974 posts)very seriously, negotiating, going out of their way to SAY they're interested in working things out. I don't know when the Greek generals were in control, but I don't feel it's likely now. (That's just MY feeling.)
elleng
(130,974 posts)Today, at a time when we are constantly told about the inevitability of cuts and austerity, spending in Ecuador on healthcare and education has doubled.
On Correas election the rich were forced to pay their taxes for the first time in the countrys history, and as a result government investment has led to economic growth of 4 per cent year by year. Additionally, for the first time in Ecuadors history, extreme poverty is in single figures. It is now less than 8 per cent, compared with 16.5 per cent previously.
Ecuador also has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the continent, with the figures for 2014 closing at only 3.8 per cent.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)a big problem as I understand it.)
A lot of the wealth in Greece is in the shipping industry. As we know, that is a sector that can easily shield income.. Ships can fly flags of countries other than the countries you would expect if you knew the owners of the companies. There are a lot of ways to hide income when you are involved in international transactions as I understand it.
So it will be very hard to even determine what income is taxable, what wealth is taxable in Greece. It is not going to be easy for the Syriza to fulfill its promises.
But the strategic value of Greek geography will mean that something decisive will happen. The leaders of Syriza will need to be very, very shrewd. But the people of Greece deserve better than what is happening to their country.
elleng
(130,974 posts)and imo should be resolvable. Get the 'world' kicking asses of those international flags, ONE of the matters that has to be resolved, internationally, like getting out of fossil fuels. There WILL be pain, for many, for a while, but without change and pain 'short term,' there will be MUCH pain, for us all, forever.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)very difficult problem as media is owned by those afraid to suffer short term. SOME 1%ers do recognize the need.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)money IS more important than votes. This is our citizen's united problem, all the $ collected goes to the media as mouthpiece.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They keep telling everyone it's close and everything is on the line.
HOWEVER....
When the Republican wins even by a fraction of a percent they claim it as proof that their reign is supported by the majority.
When a Democrat wins they act like it was an accident and said Dem is expected to "heal the divide" as job #1.