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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 11:23 AM Feb 2015

As Ukraine Spirals Again into Violence, US Contemplates Pouring Fuel on Fire

Has there ever been a people like the Americans? We used our military might to liberate Iraq. We did the same for Libya. And now it's the turn of Ukraine to benefit from our unceasing generosity. Thank heavens we never tire of our mission to bring peace and prosperity to all.

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/02/02/ukraine-spirals-again-violence-us-contemplates-pouring-fuel-fire

February 02, 2015
As Ukraine Spirals Again into Violence, US Contemplates Pouring Fuel on Fire
Amid increased fighting and escalated warning of wider war, NYT reporting says Obama adminstation considering sending $3 billion in weaponry and military equipment into Ukraine
byJon Queally, staff writer

With reporting from the New York Times revealing new consideration by the Obama administration to send $3 billion worth of weaponry and military equipment to Ukraine, concerns over a deepening civil war between the Ukraine Army and the eastern rebel factions who reject the authority of the government in Kiev are rising rapidly.

On Monday, Alexander Zakharchenko, president of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic in the east, has reportedly announced plans to recruit 100,00<0> men to fuel the eastern region's ongoing battle with the Ukraine Army, which receives backing from both the U.S. and the NATO alliance.

As fighting intensifed in Donetsk, Vuhlehirsk, Debaltseve and other eastern cities on Sunday and into Monday, the Times reported how NATO's high commander as well as top members of Obama's national security team are again discussing plans to send more weapons to the war-torn and divided nation. Despite indications that the shelling of Donetsk and other rebel strongholds by the Ukraine Army is resulting in devastating civilian casualties, the reporting indicates White House and Pentagon support for more advanced arms is increasing...

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"I can no longer say that this Cold War will not lead to a ‘Hot War.’ I fear [the U.S.] could risk it," Gorbachev said. "All you hear is about sanctions towards Russia from America and the European Union. Have they totally lost their heads? The U.S. has been totally 'lost in the jungle' and is dragging us there as well."

As far as veteran reporter Eric Margolis is concerned, the stakes in Ukraine could not be higher. For one thing, as he reminded readers in his latest column over the weekend, rule number one of geopolitics should be this: "nuclear-armed powers must never, ever fight." Secondly, he argues, what is happening with U.S. and NATO involvement in Ukraine is classic "mission creep" of the most dangerous kind. He writes:

The war-craving neocons in Washington and their allies in Congress and the Pentagon have long wanted to pick a fight with Russia and put it in its place for daring to oppose US policies against Iran, Syria and Palestine. What neocons really care about is the Mideast.

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As Ukraine Spirals Again into Violence, US Contemplates Pouring Fuel on Fire (Original Post) Karmadillo Feb 2015 OP
Aaaand one more propaganda-piece. DetlefK Feb 2015 #1
What Russia wants is pretty clear, I think. Adrahil Feb 2015 #2
I certainly blame those that are 'considering' providing arms to one side more than I blame those pampango Feb 2015 #3

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. Aaaand one more propaganda-piece.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 11:33 AM
Feb 2015

Why is nobody writing about this from Russia's perspective? What has Russia to gain, what has Russia to lose in this war?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
2. What Russia wants is pretty clear, I think.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 11:37 AM
Feb 2015

It has three goals:

1. Secure a port for the Black Sea Fleet under its own sovreigty. (accompluished)

2. Secure a land bridge to resupply that port. (Bridges are easily destroyed in war time) (under way)

3. Punish Ukraine for daring to defy its imperial masters by destroying its territorial integrity. (accomplished)

Those are pretty bloody obvious, I think.

They are nearly done. Of course, their economy took more of a hit than Putin imagined it would due to the collapse in oil prices, but in the end, I suspect he believes it was worth it.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
3. I certainly blame those that are 'considering' providing arms to one side more than I blame those
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 11:41 AM
Feb 2015

who are actually providing arms to the other side.

I imagine the Germans were not too happy when FDR provided navy ships to the UK in the Lend-Lease program.

A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to $656 billion today) worth of supplies were shipped ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
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