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edhopper

(33,584 posts)
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:30 PM Feb 2015

Is Valentine's day sexist?

First, I think it is a made up bullshit holiday promoted to sell cards, candies, flowers and overpriced dinners.
But have you noticed all the commercials talk about what guys should get their gals.
Cause you gotta buy your best girl shit to keep her happy, or something.

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Is Valentine's day sexist? (Original Post) edhopper Feb 2015 OP
It is a very old "holy day" honoring a Christian martyr, that has been co-opted by corporate greed Siwsan Feb 2015 #1
St. Valentine's Day edhopper Feb 2015 #3
I have been alone on Valentine's Day. HappyMe Feb 2015 #7
I think Charlie Brown sums it up hfojvt Feb 2015 #15
*sigh!* HappyMe Feb 2015 #16
unless you brought enough love hfojvt Feb 2015 #17
When I was a kid, we all passed out Valentines to everyone. HappyMe Feb 2015 #18
Yea, I agree with you 100% - they probably dropped the "St." to make it easier to exploit Siwsan Feb 2015 #10
IDK, but Valentine's Day is highly commercialized meow2u3 Feb 2015 #2
If extended marions ghost Feb 2015 #4
I don't know. I really don't care. HappyMe Feb 2015 #5
No, just stupid. bigwillq Feb 2015 #6
Would Steak and a Blowjob Day even it out? nt flamin lib Feb 2015 #8
For those 2naSalit Feb 2015 #13
In my marriage we both have penises. Who gets the steak and who gets the bj? Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #25
LOL! raven mad Feb 2015 #26
Well... 2naSalit Feb 2015 #31
You could cut the steak in two and each get half mythology Feb 2015 #41
I think ads are aimed at men because they are the ones who need to be reminded Beaverhausen Feb 2015 #9
No. Agschmid Feb 2015 #11
It's Benevolent Sexism Day. Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #12
It's just another day 2naSalit Feb 2015 #14
If someone insists on finding reason to be unhappy who am I to stop them? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #19
Some people seem to LIKE cards, candies, flowers and overpriced dinners FrodosPet Feb 2015 #20
You should get right on that and let us know of the progress in your righteous struggles. LanternWaste Feb 2015 #24
I will just as soon as I can secure funding FrodosPet Feb 2015 #29
By all means, let's find one more thing to be outraged about! WillowTree Feb 2015 #21
My exact thoughts. KatyMan Feb 2015 #35
The holiday itself seems relatively benign as to gender roles LanternWaste Feb 2015 #22
It's patriarchial sexism Yavin4 Feb 2015 #23
I have never known Valentines Day to be one way only on the gift. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #30
Amen JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #37
The ones who feel forced to do something probably never bother showing love the rest of the year. alarimer Feb 2015 #33
That's your story and you're sticking with it. HappyMe Feb 2015 #36
I'm in a genuine relationship and we always do something KatyMan Feb 2015 #38
how about the wife or girlfriend who buys gifts for their guys ? JI7 Feb 2015 #42
Bingo. Rhinodawg Feb 2015 #43
It's offensive to celibosexuals... bobclark86 Feb 2015 #27
+1!!! 2naSalit Feb 2015 #32
Valentines Day is heavily advertised and with good reason. Many do well with it. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #28
Well said! n/t KatyMan Feb 2015 #39
No - but it's the day that ruins my birthday JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #34
I'm a cheap date olddots Feb 2015 #40
No, just kind of a pain in the ass. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #44

Siwsan

(26,267 posts)
1. It is a very old "holy day" honoring a Christian martyr, that has been co-opted by corporate greed
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:38 PM
Feb 2015

Like most holidays. Which is why I don't bother with them. The most annoying are the "Hallmark Holidays" like 'Bosses Day', 'Sweetest Day', etc. I can't be bothered.

edhopper

(33,584 posts)
3. St. Valentine's Day
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:41 PM
Feb 2015

can be celebrated in all the Churches that want to.
Valentin's Day is hogwash.
It is also very depressing for people who are alone (I am not, but still find it insipid)

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
7. I have been alone on Valentine's Day.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:51 PM
Feb 2015

I did not expect those that weren't to stop their celebrations because of me. I don't think celebrating love is hogwash.

edit to add - Maybe my husband and I will go see "50 Shades of Gray". That might be fun.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
15. I think Charlie Brown sums it up
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 01:39 PM
Feb 2015

"I already know that nobody likes me.

Why does there have to be a Valentine's Day to rub it in?"

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
16. *sigh!*
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 01:44 PM
Feb 2015

What should happen then? Being alone on Valentine's Day didn't bother me.

I didn't get any birthday cards this year, therefore eliminate all birthdays!

Siwsan

(26,267 posts)
10. Yea, I agree with you 100% - they probably dropped the "St." to make it easier to exploit
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:56 PM
Feb 2015

I do admit to buying heart shaped boxes of chocolates, when they go on clearance on Feb 15. Yum.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
2. IDK, but Valentine's Day is highly commercialized
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:39 PM
Feb 2015

Valentine's Day has religious, namely Christian, origins. It was named for St. Valentine, a cleric who, according to legend, secretly presided over marriages in defiance of the decree issued by Roman Emperor Cladius II, which forbade marriages because the emperor thought single men made better soldiers than married men and those with families.

http://www.history.com/topics/valentines-day/history-of-valentines-day

http://www.americancatholic.org/features/valentinesday/origins.asp

A quick quiz: St. Valentine was:

a) a priest in the Roman Empire who helped persecuted Christians during the reign of Claudius II, was thrown in jail and later beheaded on Feb. 14.

b) a Catholic bishop of Terni who was beheaded, also during the reign of Claudius II.

c) someone who secretly married couples when marriage was forbidden, or suffered in Africa, or wrote letters to his jailer's daughter, and was probably beheaded.

d) all, some, or possibly none of the above.

If you guessed d), give yourself a box of chocolates. Although the mid-February holiday celebrating love and lovers remains wildly popular, the confusion over its origins led the Catholic Church, in 1969, to drop St. Valentine's Day from the Roman calendar of official, worldwide Catholic feasts. (Those highly sought-after days are reserved for saints with more clear historical record. After all, the saints are real individuals for us to imitate.) Some parishes, however, observe the feast of St. Valentine.


marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
4. If extended
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:45 PM
Feb 2015

to mean Love to everybody (not just lovers). I'm OK with it. Kind of festive in a bleak winter month. Chocolates all around...

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
5. I don't know. I really don't care.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:46 PM
Feb 2015

Yeah, it may be too commercialized. But that doesn't mean people have to run out and over-do it. I think every couple can decide for themselves how they celebrate that day.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
31. Well...
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:21 PM
Feb 2015

Then I guess you'll maybe have to go Dutch!!

(Honestly, I'm not sure that was a consideration while commenting since I was not halfway through my first cup of coffee!)

No offense in tended! My thought was that BJs refer to penises so...

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
41. You could cut the steak in two and each get half
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:50 PM
Feb 2015

But I guess that solution doesn't solve the other half of that dilemma.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
9. I think ads are aimed at men because they are the ones who need to be reminded
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 12:56 PM
Feb 2015

Yes, it's a made up holiday but it's fun when you do have a partner. It's better when that partner remembers and doesn't have to be prodded.

I have given my husband some amazing V Day gifts and have gotten very little in return. This year...he may not get anything.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
14. It's just another day
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 01:25 PM
Feb 2015

for those of us who are not driven by commercialism/consumerism and those of us who don't have partners nor want to have them.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
20. Some people seem to LIKE cards, candies, flowers and overpriced dinners
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 03:17 PM
Feb 2015

The poor brainwashed fools. There needs to be a massive campaign to educate them that these are terrible commercialized things, and that you should NOT buy a woman cards, candies, flowers and overpriced dinners.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
24. You should get right on that and let us know of the progress in your righteous struggles.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 03:24 PM
Feb 2015

"here needs to be a massive campaign to educate them..."

You should get right on that and let us know of the progress in your righteous struggles to determine what baubles and keepsakes people should or should not buy for each other.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
29. I will just as soon as I can secure funding
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 03:42 PM
Feb 2015

I will need a nice office, some furniture, some assistants, some old and new media money, a lawyer, a lobbyist, an accountant, a PR specialist, and a Tesla to get around in (and a charging station for it at the office).

So how much can I put you down for this quarter? There is the "Lonely Hearts" level for $1,000, the "Love Stinks" level for $5,000, or the "Screw The Valentine Swine" level for $25,000!

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
21. By all means, let's find one more thing to be outraged about!
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 03:18 PM
Feb 2015

And by the way.........................GALS??!!!! Really??!!!

KatyMan

(4,195 posts)
35. My exact thoughts.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:30 PM
Feb 2015

Who cares what other people think of it? I think it's a great day for my wife and me to set aside time to go have a nice lunch or dinner, quaff some champagne and enjoy each others company. We're together all the time anyway, but this one day means we indulge in things we may not normally indulge in. It could be February 14th, it could be May 9th, it's arbitrary, but when in Rome, eh?
And "gals" .... no kidding. Way more sexist than Valentine's Day!

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. The holiday itself seems relatively benign as to gender roles
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 03:22 PM
Feb 2015

The holiday itself seems relatively benign as to gender roles. How you, or anyone else chooses to celebrate it or advertise it is no more the fault of the holiday than songs about the moon are the fault of the moon.

Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
23. It's patriarchial sexism
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 03:23 PM
Feb 2015

Having to buy your wife/girlfriend to prove your love is old fashioned patriarchy.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
37. Amen
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:33 PM
Feb 2015

My husband always gets an extravagant dinner from me. I cook all the time. Love it. But he knows he's getting filet mignon, lobster, his favorite fudge filled chocolate bundt cake.

My birthday is the 13th so he takes me to dinner.

We aren't hurting anyone by doing that. People don't like Valentine's day - then don't do it.

No two relationships are the same. The UnFuns can just go be UnFuns!

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
33. The ones who feel forced to do something probably never bother showing love the rest of the year.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:43 PM
Feb 2015

In a genuine relationship, it shouldn't be necessary to make a big deal of Valentine's Day. And it shouldn't require expensive gifts or meals.

I've always suspected that people make a big deal of it when they are not so certain of their relationships.

KatyMan

(4,195 posts)
38. I'm in a genuine relationship and we always do something
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:36 PM
Feb 2015

on V-day. Cards, a meal, whatever. It's nice. Maybe not a 'big deal', but why not pick a random day to do something special for your SO (other than birthday, anniversary, etc)? Might as well be Feb 14.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
42. how about the wife or girlfriend who buys gifts for their guys ?
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:55 PM
Feb 2015

i would say the relationship is not that good in the first place if they view valentines day as needing to buy something to prove their love.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
28. Valentines Day is heavily advertised and with good reason. Many do well with it.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 03:42 PM
Feb 2015

I still love Valentines Day. Then again, I also love giving. Can't wait to see his face this year. And to those who say you can do it any time of year, you are correct. You are also missing the concept of building anticipation and simply a special day for the two of us. Every day is a blessing between us, Valentines day is no more of a blessing. That's not to say it doesn't have its own build up of excitement.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
44. No, just kind of a pain in the ass.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 09:50 PM
Feb 2015

I have always absolutely hated it, but I still buy flowers. My wife really only cares about flowers on Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, and her birthday, so it's a small price to pay.

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