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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 03:12 PM Feb 2015

We Need More War - BFEE Business Plan is now the modern American Economic Worldview.



Economist Tyler Cowen of George Mason University has seen the future and it looks bleak for most of us. Thankfully, the United States of America may be in for good times, especially for those perched atop the socio-economic pyramid scheme, should war break out.



The Pitfalls of Peace

The Lack of Major Wars May Be Hurting Economic Growth

Tyler Cowen
The New York Times, JUNE 13, 2014

The continuing slowness of economic growth in high-income economies has prompted soul-searching among economists. They have looked to weak demand, rising inequality, Chinese competition, over-regulation, inadequate infrastructure and an exhaustion of new technological ideas as possible culprits.

An additional explanation of slow growth is now receiving attention, however. It is the persistence and expectation of peace.

The world just hasn’t had that much warfare lately, at least not by historical standards. Some of the recent headlines about Iraq or South Sudan make our world sound like a very bloody place, but today’s casualties pale in light of the tens of millions of people killed in the two world wars in the first half of the 20th century. Even the Vietnam War had many more deaths than any recent war involving an affluent country.

Counterintuitive though it may sound, the greater peacefulness of the world may make the attainment of higher rates of economic growth less urgent and thus less likely. This view does not claim that fighting wars improves economies, as of course the actual conflict brings death and destruction. The claim is also distinct from the Keynesian argument that preparing for war lifts government spending and puts people to work. Rather, the very possibility of war focuses the attention of governments on getting some basic decisions right — whether investing in science or simply liberalizing the economy. Such focus ends up improving a nation’s longer-run prospects.

It may seem repugnant to find a positive side to war in this regard, but a look at American history suggests we cannot dismiss the idea so easily. Fundamental innovations such as nuclear power, the computer and the modern aircraft were all pushed along by an American government eager to defeat the Axis powers or, later, to win the Cold War. The Internet was initially designed to help this country withstand a nuclear exchange, and Silicon Valley had its origins with military contracting, not today’s entrepreneurial social media start-ups. The Soviet launch of the Sputnik satellite spurred American interest in science and technology, to the benefit of later economic growth.

War brings an urgency that governments otherwise fail to summon. For instance, the Manhattan Project took six years to produce a working atomic bomb, starting from virtually nothing, and at its peak consumed 0.4 percent of American economic output. It is hard to imagine a comparably speedy and decisive achievement these days.

SNIP...

Living in a largely peaceful world with 2 percent G.D.P. growth has some big advantages that you don’t get with 4 percent growth and many more war deaths. Economic stasis may not feel very impressive, but it’s something our ancestors never quite managed to pull off. The real questions are whether we can do any better, and whether the recent prevalence of peace is a mere temporary bubble just waiting to be burst.

Tyler Cowen is a professor of economics at George Mason University.

SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/upshot/the-lack-of-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth.html?_r=0



[font color="purple"]Dr. Cowen, from what I've read, is a fine person and not one to promulgate war. He's just sayin'.

He has commented on other Big Ticket economic themes impacting us today: "Inequality," for another instance.
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Tired Of Inequality? One Economist Says It'll Only Get Worse

by NPR STAFF
September 12, 2013 3:05 AM

Economist Tyler Cowen has some advice for what to do about America's income inequality: Get used to it. In his latest book, Average Is Over, Cowen lays out his prediction for where the U.S. economy is heading, like it or not:

"I think we'll see a thinning out of the middle class," he tells NPR's Steve Inskeep. "We'll see a lot of individuals rising up to much greater wealth. And we'll also see more individuals clustering in a kind of lower-middle class existence."

It's a radical change from the America of 40 or 50 years ago. Cowen believes the wealthy will become more numerous, and even more powerful. The elderly will hold on to their benefits ... the young, not so much. Millions of people who might have expected a middle class existence may have to aspire to something else.

SNIP...

Some people, he predicts, may just have to find a new definition of happiness that costs less money. Cowen says this widening is the result of a shifting economy. Computers will play a larger role and people who can work with computers can make a lot. He also predicts that everyone will be ruthlessly graded — every slice of their lives, monitored, tracked and recorded.

CONTINUED with link to the audio...

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/12/221425582/tired-of-inequality-one-economist-says-itll-only-get-worse



For some reason, the interview with Steve Inskeep didn't bring up the subject of the GOVERNMENT DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT LIKE IN THE NEW DEAL so I thought I'd bring it up. Older DUers may recall the Democratic Party once actually did do stuff for the average American, from school and work to housing and justice. But, we can't afford that now, obviously, thanks to austerity or the sequester or the divided government.

What's important is that the 1-percent may swell to a 15-percent "upper middle class." Unfortunately, that may see the rest of the middle class go the other way. Why does that ring a bell? Oh yeah.

"Commercial interests are very powerful interests," said George W Bush on Feb. 14, 2007 White House press conference in which he added, "Let me put it this way, ah, sometimes, ah, money trumps peace." And then he giggled and not a single member of the callow, cowed and corrupt press corpse saw fit to ask a follow-up.



Gold Star mom Cindy Sheehan tried to bring it to our nation's attention back in 2007. I don't recall even one reporter from the national corporate owned news seeing it fit to comment. Certainly not many have commented on how three generations of Bush men -- Senator Prescott Sheldon Bush, President George Herbert Walker Bush and pretzeldent George Walker Bush all had their eyes on Iraq's oil.

I wish the Press had done its job. Those in authority would have to do their job. Millions might still be alive, the People might use the money spent on wars in better ways, and the Republic might see a return to Justice.
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We Need More War - BFEE Business Plan is now the modern American Economic Worldview. (Original Post) Octafish Feb 2015 OP
K&R woo me with science Feb 2015 #1
It's beginning to look a lot like World War III. Octafish Feb 2015 #10
(thread theme song) johnnyreb Feb 2015 #2
CIA Tried to Give Iraq Nuclear Plans, Just Like Iran (David Swanson) Octafish Feb 2015 #14
How in the hell? JonLP24 Feb 2015 #16
As long as people accept The 9/11 Show whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #3
I agree. SamKnause Feb 2015 #12
American culture promotes whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #13
If this were germany 1942 maybe he'd be calling someone to arrest you. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #23
But even in peace we're funding huge increases. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #4
War Is Swell Octafish Feb 2015 #27
It seems to me that the path to the future is adapting that which we detest. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #28
Not too worry then, the neocons and their propagandists are working hard for a War with Russia. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #5
+1 whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #7
The sick pageant continues... woo me with science Feb 2015 #17
Yes, they are out there, working hard as ever. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #20
I despise SamKnause Feb 2015 #6
His neocon war mongers are still busy trying to get some more wars going. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #19
Obama considering arming Ukraine, officials say/MSNBC Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #8
I thought real men went to Tehran? Perle and Kristol said nothing about Moscow. Octafish Feb 2015 #9
Napoleon went to Moscow and Hitler tried to. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #11
Blood and death and despair = "business plan" woo me with science Feb 2015 #15
War without End accomplishes a few things without much, if any, public and Congressional debate... Octafish Feb 2015 #26
What is this thread? YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #18
+1... SidDithers Feb 2015 #21
Followed by hollow apologies for status quo. JEB Feb 2015 #22
That's what the All-Volunteer Army is for. Octafish Feb 2015 #29
Yeah, like SidDithers of DU standing up for the BFEE brand. Octafish Feb 2015 #25
LOL. Yep. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #30
Ever hear of Tyler Cowen or ''Money trumps peace''? Octafish Feb 2015 #24
kick woo me with science Feb 2015 #31
Carlyle Group investment bank owns NSA go-to spyhaus Booz Allen Hamilton. Octafish Feb 2015 #32

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. It's beginning to look a lot like World War III.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:59 PM
Feb 2015

The echoes of misunderstanding...



JFK's lesson: Studying history will keep nation safer, freer

February 5, 2012|By Robert L. Moore | Guest columnist

The release this week of a long-lost audiotape from the day President. Kennedy was assassinated reminds me of some important anniversaries now looming on the horizon. One marks the president's decision, 50 years ago, to install a taping system in the White House.

The secrecy surrounding the tape recorders may make them seem rather ominous, but, in fact, Kennedy's motives were not merely self-serving or sinister. According to Robert Dallek's biography, An Unfinished Life, JFK wanted to record important White House conversations by virtue of having read The Guns of August, Barbara Tuchman'sPulitzer Prize-winning account of the origins of World War I.

Dallek writes that Kennedy was particularly struck by a conversation in Tuchman's book between two German leaders speculating about Europe's plunge into war: "How did it all happen?" one asked. "Ah," the other replied, "if only one knew."

JFK was determined that if the world were to be destroyed in a nuclear war, he did not want the survivors to ask one another how it all happened, and be told, "Ah, if only one knew." Stumbling into a nuclear holocaust the way Europe had stumbled into the tragedy of World War I would be inexcusable, and the president was determined to record what was said in key areas of the White House not only for posterity, but to avoid misunderstandings among the living should a crisis arise.

SNIP...

All through the crisis, Kennedy remembered Tuchman's ominous warning about blundering into war. According to Thomas Reeves' biography, the president at one point told his closest advisers that he wished he could get a copy of the book "to every Navy officer on every Navy ship right now."

SOURCE: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-02-05/news/os-ed-kennedy-audiotape-020512-20120203_1_nuclear-missiles-cuban-missile-crisis-nuclear-war



Readers are leaders, which is why I'm worried.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
14. CIA Tried to Give Iraq Nuclear Plans, Just Like Iran (David Swanson)
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:31 PM
Feb 2015

By davidswanson - Posted on 30 January 2015

If you've followed the trials of James Risen and Jeffrey Sterling, or read Risen's book State of War, you are aware that the CIA gave Iran blueprints and a diagram and a parts list for the key component of a nuclear bomb.

The CIA then proposed to do exactly the same for Iraq, using the same former Russian scientist to make the delivery. How do I know this? Well, Marcy Wheeler has kindly put all the evidence from the Sterling trial online, including this cable. Read the following paragraph:



"M" is Merlin, code name for the former Russian used to give the nuclear plans to Iran. Here he's being asked, just following that piece of lunacy, whether he'd be willing to _______________. What? Something he agrees to without hesitation. The CIA paid him hundreds of thousands of our dollars and that money flow would continue to cover a more adventurous extension of the current operation. What could that mean? More dealings with Iran? No, because this extension is immediately distinguished from dealings with Iran.

"WE WILL WANT TO SEE HOW THE IRAN PART OF THE CASE PLAYS OUT BEFORE MAKING AN APPROACH...."

It seems that a national adjective belongs in that space. Most are too long to fit: Chinese, Zimbabwean, even Egyptian.

But notice the word "an," not "a." The word that follows has to start with a vowel. Search through the names of the world's countries. There is only one that fits and makes sense. And if you followed the Sterling trial, you know exactly how much sense it makes: Iraqi.

"MAKING AN IRAQI APPROACH."

And then further down: "THINKING ABOUT THE IRAQI OPTION."

Now, don't be thrown off by the place to meet being somewhere that M was unfamiliar with. He met the Iranians in Vienna (or rather avoided meeting them by dumping the nuke plans in their mailbox). He could be planning to meet the Iraqis anywhere on earth; that bit's not necessarily relevant to identifying the nation.

Then look at the last sentence. Again it distinguishes the Iranians from someone else. Here's what fits there:

"IF HE IS TO MEET THE IRANIANS OR APPROACH THE IRAQIS IN THE FUTURE."

CONTINUED...

http://warisacrime.org/content/cia-tried-give-iraq-nuclear-plans-just-iran

Sterling is going to jail as an example to stop whistleblowers who call out War Inc. The truth is the BFEE does whatever it needs to make sure the opportunities and low hanging fruit keep coming.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
16. How in the hell?
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 08:46 PM
Feb 2015

I swear I didn't enter Ukraine into the search box. I tried to search supply nuclear arms Iraq and come across a well sourced article asking is United States trying to start a nuclear war with Russia.

A link of that led to me a link of this.

The U.S. ‘News’ Media Show How to Do Propaganda About Ukraine’s Civil War

The New York Review of Books is a leading intellectual publication in the United States, and it (like all of the major U.S. “news” media) has “reported” on the Ukrainian civil war as having been incited by Russia’s Vladimir Putin — a simple-minded explanation, which also happens to be deeply false. The reality is that the residents of southern Ukraine, the part of Ukraine adjoining Russia, were overwhelmingly opposed to the overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected President, Viktor Yanukovych, though they are portrayed in NYRB (and other “news” media) as being mere stooges of Russian propaganda for their opposing the coup that overthrew the President for whom they had voted overwhelmingly. (The only thing that America’s “news” media had previously reported about Yanukovych is that he was corrupt; but so were all of his predecessors, and U.S. media ignored this crucial fact. Selective reporting is basic to propaganda, and the U.S. major media are trained masters at it. Without a person’s knowing that Ukraine is by far the most corrupt country in the former Soviet Union, and the one with the worst economic performance of them all, Ukraine’s politics just can’t be understood at all: it has long been an extreme kleptocracy, ruled by psychopathic politicians, for the benefit of psychopathic oligarchs, who have robbed the country blind. That’s the deeper truth — and it’s key to understanding the current situation there.)

So: by digging into an example, the rot in U.S. “news” media will be dissected here, and the truth in Ukraine will be exposed here.

On 28 April 2014, NYRB’s reporter Tim Judah headlined from Donetsk in the south, “Ukraine: Hate in Progress.” He (falsely) analogized the opponents against that coup as being similar to the separatists in Yugoslavia whose ethnocentrism had produced the atrocities during the civil war that broke up Yugoslavia. Judah wrote:

“Talk to people manning the anti-government barricades and taking part in the demonstrations against Kiev [in the north] here, … and one thing in particular is scary. After a day or two you realize that they all say more or less the same thing. ‘We want to be listened to,’ people say. The government in Kiev, which took power after the pro-European revolution there, is a ‘fascist junta’ backed by Europe and the US. It is as though the Russian media—which is widely watched and read here—has somehow embedded these messages into the heads of people and they have lost the ability to think for themselves. … All that seems to be registering right now is a nationalist and hysterical drumbeat from Russia about the new Nazis of Kiev and their NATO masters. [Judah’s article provides no evidence against that ‘Nazis of Kiev’ viewpont; he simply ignores it, as if it’s not even worth checking out — and he’s supposed to be a ‘reporter.’ Instead, he goes immediately into his mere assumption that the rejectionists of the coup are the source of his alleged ‘Hate in Progress.’] This is ominously reminiscent of what the Serbian media and other bits of the former Yugoslav media did when Yugoslavia collapsed. Then, Serbs were subjected to endless documentaries about Croatia’s wartime fascists, whom they were told were coming back. Now the Russian media says the fascists have returned.”

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/u-s-news-media-show-propaganda-ukraines-civil-war.html

The "most corrupt former" government links to http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_GlobalCompetitivenessReport_2013-14.pdf

I also have reported on “Why Ukraine’s Civil War Is of Global Historical Importance.” The article argued that “This civil war is of massive historical importance, because it re-starts the global Cold War, this time no longer under the fig-leaf rationalization of an ideological battle between ‘capitalism’ versus ‘communism,’ but instead more raw, as a struggle between, on the one hand, the U.S. and West European aristocracies; and, on the other hand, the newly emerging aristocracies of Russia and of China.” The conflict’s origin, as recounted there, was told in its highest detail in an article in the scholarly journal Diplomatic History, about how U.S. President George H.W. Bush in 1990 fooled the Soviet Union’s leader Mikhail Gorbachev into Gorbachev’s allowing the Cold War to be ended without any assurance being given to the remaining rump country, his own Russia, that NATO and its missiles and bombers won’t expand right up to Russia’s doorstep and surround Russia with a first-strike ability to destroy Russia before Russia will even have a chance to get its own nuclear weapons into the air in order to destroy the U.S. right back in retaliation.

That old system — “Mutually Assured Destruction” or MAD, but actually very rational from the public’s perspective on both sides — is gone. The U.S. increasingly is getting nuclear primacy. Russia, surrounded by NATO nations and U.S. nuclear weapons, would be able to be wiped out before its rusty and comparatively puny military force could be mustered to respond. Whereas we are not surrounded by their weapons, they are surrounded by ours. Whereas they don’t have the ability to wipe us out before we can respond, we have the ability to wipe them out before they’ll be able to respond. This is the reason why America’s aristocracy argue that MAD is dead. An article, “Environmental Consequences of Nuclear War” was published in the December 2008 Physics Today, and it concluded that, “the indirect effects [‘nuclear winter’] would likely eliminate the majority of the human population.” (It would be even worse, and far faster, than the expected harms from global warming.) However, aristocrats separate themselves from the public, and so their perspective is not necessarily the same as the public’s. The perspective that J.P. Morgan and Co. had in 1915 wasn’t the perspective that the U.S. public had back then, and it also wasn’t the perspective that our President, Woodrow Wilson, did back then, when we were a democracy. But it’s even less clear today that we are a democracy than it was in 1915. In that regard, things have only gotten worse in America.

So, President Obama is now trying to persuade EU leaders to join with him to complete this plan to replace MAD with a first-strike nuclear capability that will eliminate Russia altogether from the world stage.

As I also documented, the IMF is thoroughly supportive of this plan to remove Russia, and announced on May 1st, just a day prior to our massacre of independence-supporters in the south Ukrainian city of Odessa on May 2nd, that unless all of the independence supporters in south and eastern Ukraine can be defeated and/or killed, the IMF will pull the plug on Ukraine and force it into receivership.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/06/indications-u-s-planning-nuclear-attack-russia.html


Not One Inch Eastward? Bush, Baker, Kohl,Genscher, Gorbachev, and the Origin of RussianResentment toward NATO Enlargement

http://www.scribd.com/doc/166123009/Not-One-Inch-Eastward#download (PDF)

The Key Man Behind the May 2nd Odessa Ukraine Trade Unions Building Massacre: His Many Connections to the White House

The key person behind the May 2nd massacre inside Odessa’s Trade Unions Building appears to have been Ihor Kolomoyskyi



who was appointed to be the regional governor in that area by Yulia Tymoshenko, the Ukrainian Presidential candidate that the Obama Administration has apparently been hoping will win the May 25th election to take over the Ukrainian Government, from the junta that the Obama Administration imposed in Ukraine on February 22nd. Just weeks before this coup, on February 4th, the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Asia, Victoria Nuland, chose Tymoshenko’s ally Arseni Yatsenyuk to head the post-coup interim government, which appointed Kolomoyskyi.

Only a few months before this coup, Nuland had asserted that U.S. taxpayers had already invested more than $5 billion, in order to bring “democracy” to Ukraine, by which she was referring to the U.S. effort to oust the Russian-oriented, democratically elected, leader of Ukraine, President Viktor Yanukovych, who had prosecuted and imprisoned Tymoshenko for embezzlement and abuse of governmental office. Tymoshenko was then on 11 October 2011 sentenced to seven years in prison, and was ordered to pay the government restitution of $188 million. She was released from prison less than three years later, two days after the coup, on 24 February 2014. The Ukrainian criminal code was immediately changed, in order to legalize the actions for which Tymoshenko had been imprisoned. This allowed Tymoshenko to run for the Ukrainian Presidency. She had been Prime Minister 2007-2010. Both she and her husband, Oleksandr Tymoshenko, and his father, all three of whom were on the board of United Energy Systems of Ukraine (and thus Ms. Tymoshenko was called “the gas princess”), have been legally prosecuted as embezzling state funds; but so have most of Ukraine’s oligarchs and political leaders (and there’s a lot of crossover between those two categories).

Kolomoyskyi, who lives in Geneva Switzerland, is generally regarded as the second-richest man in Ukraine, with a fortune estimated at about $6 billion. Tymoshenko used to be called “the Eleven Billion Dollar Woman,” but, like all of Ukraine’s oligarchs (including Kolomoyskyi), nobody really knows precisely how wealthy she is, nor even whether she is more, or perhaps less, wealthy than Kolomoyskyi. Almost all of the oligarchs’ money is hidden offshore; so, is invisible.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/key-man-behind-may-2nd-odessa-ukraine-trade-unions-building-massacre-many-connections-white-house.html

I don't know about Nuclear but you may be more right about World War III than you think, if that is possible.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
3. As long as people accept The 9/11 Show
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:13 PM
Feb 2015

and subsequent decade of little reminder episodes, uncritically, we will bankrupt ourselves. The ptb will keep this program on the air forever if we let them. Judging by the way Americans buy pretty much anything issued from corporate media or authority, we will let them.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
12. I agree.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:05 PM
Feb 2015

It is sad that many never question 9/11.

3 steel skyscrapers in one day.

Never before, and none since.

I have a nephew that believes everything on the MSM.

He thinks we should kill everyone in the countries we attack.

He thinks we should level them.

He doesn't care how many babies, children, women, or innocent young men are killed.

He refers to them as foreigners.

He is pro torture.

He loved American Sniper.

He was upset at Code Pink for trying to arrest Kissinger.

He thinks the U.S. is good and the rest of the world is evil.

He knows absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, about the history of this country.

He is not interested in the truth.

Sometimes it is hard to be in the same room with him.

I only see him on Thanksgiving and Christmas.

That is a good thing.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
4. But even in peace we're funding huge increases.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:27 PM
Feb 2015

Only we're not buying more tanks, guns, and that sort of thing. We're buying high tech items from a smaller group of manufacturers.

Remember this. In the 1970's, we had to have new Submarines to prevent a technological gap from developing between us and the Russians. These were approved despite an economic recession, and during the Carter Administration no less. The Los Angeles Class submarine was approved and construction started, and continued.

We designed the F-15 fighter to be able to defeat the probable capabilities of a Russian jet. That the jet in question couldn't do anything that we thought it could, or should, didn't matter a short while later, because this would put us ahead for years to come.

Apollo grew out of the fear of being second. The only advantage was that we decided it would be for science not militarism.

Carriers, Ballistic Missile Submarines, and all that came from the innate need to protect ourselves today from a threat that could be here shortly.

Today we do the same thing. Fusion Centers, NSA data centers, spy satellites, hackers working for the Government, email screenings. All of it is so we can protect ourselves from the perceived threats. After World War I we were warned that Propaganda had helped to get us into a war. We didn't learn, and instead adopted Propaganda for the next war. After World War II, we were warned about the Military Industrial Complex. We listened, and then quaked in fear at the idea that the Soviets might get to the moon before us.

The MX missile, the B-2 bomber. The F-117, the F-22. All of these programs were to help us keep an advantage, so we could protect ourselves from something that didn't exist, but would someday.

Now look at us. We see that sixty percent of the people think that the Bill of Rights should take a hike if it means we would be safe. We fought against the Soviets and spent trillions in the Cold War, and we won, and now we've lost. We've lost because we have created the same authoritarian secret police with the same powers as we denounced in the KGB. We've lost because we threw our own freedoms onto the pyre and burned them willingly so we could find and fight the shadowy threat that is the enemy for now.

We're still spending billions on defense projects, but they are not going to enough companies to keep the military industrial economy moving. They're going to a few companies that specialize in defeating the computer security and sorting the data to find terrorists. All of this despite the fact that they haven't prevented one single attack ever.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
27. War Is Swell
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:49 AM
Feb 2015


5-4



The Knights of the Revolving Door

When War is Swell: the Carlyle Group and the Middle East at War

by JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
CounterPunch, Weekend Edition September 6-8, 2013

Paris.

A couple of weeks ago, in a dress rehearsal for her next presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton, the doyenne of humanitarian interventionism, made a pit-stop at the Carlyle Group to brief former luminaries of the imperial war rooms about her shoot-first-don’t-ask-questions foreign policy.

For those of you who have put the playbill of the Bush administration into a time capsule and buried it beneath the compost bin, the Carlyle Group is essentially a hedge fund for war-making and high tech espionage. They are the people who brought you the Iraq war and all those intrusive niceties of Homeland Security. Call them the Knights of the Revolving Door, many of Carlyle’s executives and investors having spent decades in the Pentagon, the CIA or the State Department, before cashing in for more lucrative careers as war profiteers. They are now licking their chops at the prospect for an all-out war against Syria, no doubt hoping that the conflagration will soon spread to Lebanon, Jordan and, the big prize, Iran.

For a refresher course on the sprawling tentacles of the Carlyle Group, here’s an essay that first appeared in CounterPunch’s print edition in 2004. Sadly, not much has changed in the intervening years, except these feted souls have gotten much, much richer. – JSC


Across all fronts, Bush’s war deteriorates with stunning rapidity. The death count of American soldiers killed in Iraq will soon top 1000, with no end in sight. The members of the handpicked Iraqi Governor Council are being knocked off one after another. Once loyal Shia clerics, like Ayatollah Sistani, are now telling the administration to pull out or face a nationalist insurgency. The trail of culpability for the abuse, torture and murder of Iraqi detainees seems to lead inexorably into the office of Donald Rumsfeld. The war for Iraqi oil has ended up driving the price of crude oil through the roof. Even Kurdish leaders, brutalized by the Ba’athists for decades, are now saying Iraq was a safer place under their nemesis Saddam Hussein. Like Medea whacking her own kids, the US turned on its own creation, Ahmed Chalabi, raiding his Baghdad compound and fingering him as an agent of the ayatollahs of Iran. And on and on it goes.

Still not all of the president’s men are in a despairing mood. Amid the wreckage, there remain opportunities for profit and plunder. Halliburton and Bechtel’s triumphs in Iraq have been chewed over for months. Less well chronicled is the profiteering of the Carlyle Group, a company with ties that extend directly into the Oval Office itself.

Even Pappy Bush stands in line to profit handsomely from his son’s war making. The former president is on retainer with the Carlyle Group, the largest privately held defense contractor in the nation. Carlyle is run by Frank Carlucci, who served as the National Security advisor and Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan. Carlucci has his own embeds in the current Bush administration. At Princeton, his college roommate was Donald Rumsfeld. They’ve remained close friends and business associates ever since. When you have friends like this, you don’t need to hire lobbyists..

Bush Sr. serves as a kind of global emissary for Carlyle. The ex-president doesn’t negotiate arms deals; he simply opens the door for them, a kind of high level meet-and-greet. His special area of influence is the Middle East, primarily Saudi Arabia, where the Bush family has extensive business and political ties. According to an account in the Washington Post, Bush Sr. earns around $500,000 for each speech he makes on Carlyle’s behalf.

One of the Saudi investors lured to Carlyle by Bush was the BinLaden Group, the construction conglomerate owned by the family of Osama bin Laden. According to an investigation by the Wall Street Journal, Bush convinced Shafiq Bin Laden, Osama’s half brother, to sink $2 million of BinLaden Group money into Carlyle’s accounts. In a pr move, the Carlyle group cut its ties to the BinLaden Group in October 2001.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/06/when-war-is-swell-the-carlyle-group-and-the-middle-east-at-war/



For some reason, many on "the left" at CounterPunch, like the super-scribes at the New York Times, have failed to make clear Carlyle Group's connection to the NSA spying scandal: They OWN it.



Behind the Curtain: Booz Allen Hamilton and its Owner, The Carlyle Group

Written by Bob Adelmann
The New American; June 13, 2013

According to writers Thomas Heath and Marjorie Censer at the Washington Post, The Carlyle Group and its errant child, Booz Allen Hamilton (BAH), have a public relations problem, thanks to NSA leaker and former BAH employee Edward Snowden. By the time top management at BAH learned that one of their top level agents had gone rogue, and terminated his employment, it was too late.

For years Carlyle had, according to the Post, “nurtured a reputation as a financially sophisticated asset manager that buys and sells everything from railroads to oil refineries”; but now the light from the Snowden revelations has revealed nothing more than two companies, parent and child, “bound by the thread of turning government secrets into profits.”

And have they ever. When The Carlyle Group bought BAH back in 2008, it was totally dependent upon government contracts in the fields of information technology (IT) and systems engineering for its bread and butter. But there wasn't much butter: After two years the company’s gross revenues were $5.1 billion but net profits were a minuscule $25 million, close to a rounding error on the company’s financial statement. In 2012, however, BAH grossed $5.8 billion and showed earnings of $219 million, nearly a nine-fold increase in net revenues and a nice gain in value for Carlyle.

Unwittingly, the Post authors exposed the real reason for the jump in profitability: close ties and interconnected relationships between top people at Carlyle and BAH, and the agencies with which they are working. The authors quoted George Price, an equity analyst at BB&T Capital: "[Booz Allen has] got a great brand, they've focused over time on hiring top people, including bringing on people who have a lot of senior government experience." (Emphasis added.)

For instance, James Clapper had a stint at BAH before becoming the current Director of National Intelligence; George Little consulted with BAH before taking a position at the Central Intelligence Agency; John McConnell, now vice chairman at BAH, was director of the National Security Agency (NSA) in the ‘90s before moving up to director of national intelligence in 2007; Todd Park began his career with BAH and now serves as the country's chief technology officer; James Woolsey, currently a senior vice president at BAH, served in the past as director of the Central Intelligence Agency; and so on.

BAH has had more than a little problem with self-dealing and conflicts of interest over the years. For instance in 2006 the European Commission asked the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and Privacy International (PI) to investigate BAH’s involvement with President George Bush’s SWIFT surveillance program, which was viewed by that administration as “just another tool” in its so-called “War on Terror.” The only problem is that it was illegal, as it violated U.S., Belgian, and European privacy laws. BAH was right in the middle of it. According to the ACLU/PI report,

Though Booz Allen’s role is to verify that the access to the SWIFT data is not abused, its relationship with the U.S. Government calls its objectivity significantly into question. (Emphasis added.)

Among Booz Allen’s senior consulting staff are several former members of the intelligence community, including a former Director of the CIA and a former director of the NSA.


As noted by Barry Steinhardt, an ACLU director, “It’s bad enough that the [Bush] administration is trying to hold out a private company as a substitute for genuine checks and balances on its surveillance activities. But of all companies to perform audits on a secret surveillance program, it would be difficult to find one less objective and more intertwined with the U.S. government security establishment.” (Emphasis added.)

CONTINUED w Links n Privatized INTEL...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15696-behind-the-curtain-booz-allen-hamilton-and-its-owner-the-carlyle-group



I know this is old hat to you, Savannahmann. The opportunity to be pedantic in regards to the BFEE proved too much for me, again.

Most importantly: Thank you for your outstanding post. As long as there are two people like you in the world, Democracy has a fighting good chance.
 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
28. It seems to me that the path to the future is adapting that which we detest.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 12:14 PM
Feb 2015

World War One. We found out in post war investigations that America had been the target of very carefully crafted propaganda. Some saw this happening, and denounced the Zimmerman Telegram as a tool of Perfidious Albion. Unfortunately, that was a poor choice to discredit as mere Propaganda, since a day later Zimmerman confirmed that he had sent the Telegram for a reason that defies explanation even today. No, I don't have any wish that the Kaiser's forces had won, but the denial of dishonorable acts had become old hat to the Germans by that time.

By World War II, we had our own propaganda effort in full swing. We denounced it after the First World War, and embraced it during the second. One generation, and we had forgotten everything that we had found distasteful.

During the Cold War we denounced the Soviets and the Warsaw Pact time and time again for spying on their own citizens. We as a people were outraged when we found the FBI and CIA were conducting operations called Black Bag Jobs and breaking into peoples homes and businesses to steal incriminating documents. Documents that incriminated the FBI and CIA, not the target. Fred Cook wrote a book called the FBI nobody knows, still a good read today if you can track down a copy.

Now, the courts endorse such behavior in the interest of National Security.

The nation was disgusted, eventually, by the actions of Senator McCarthy. We looked with shame at the era of Blacklists and secret enemies lists during the time of Nixon. People have a right to know what the Government is saying about them, and have a right to know why they are on those lists. We pointed to the Constitution and said that people have a right to face their accusers and hear the whole story. Now, we as a people endorse lists that make the black lists look like an invitation to a birthday party. No fly lists, terrorist watch lists, enemies lists by a dozen different names.

We used to be outraged when we learned that the police were searching without a warrant, and the Courts threw the evidence out of court. Now, we argue that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. And the majority of the people agree.

We lost the Cold War. The great fear was the KGB spying on us. Instead we encourage the NSA, CIA, FBI, and DHS to spy on us to keep us safe. We are using the same language the KGB used to justify their abuses, and a majority of our fellow citizens doesn't care. The KGB used to talk about Imperialist agents hidden among the population, traitors to the party, and the state. We talk about Terrorists hiding among the population, enemies determined to attack us.

Most of us are ignorant of the why things got this way, or how things used to be. The Espionage act for example, started during the First World War. Why? Because we were afraid of German agents was the propaganda fed to the population. The truth was Wilson and the administration were terrified that the public would learn the big secret. Wilson had violated the duties of a neutral and provided communication assets including the State Department Cable to the Germans. The Zimmerman Telegram which tried to get the Americans into a war with Mexico and Japan and offered up Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico to the Mexicans in compensation was transmitted over the United States Government own telegraph line. It passed through our embassy in Germany, to the State Department in Washington DC!

If the Congress had learned of that, they would have impeached Wilson for treason for his complicity in providing Germany with the means to coordinate an attack on us.

The Espionage Act made sure that this secret was secret, and that nobody could know. Later the truth came out, but by then Wilson was dead.

This is the act that we use to prosecute people who tell the world of the misdeeds of our Government. Some say that it is being abused by this action. Truth is, that was exactly the purpose it was intended for. We haven't learned. We haven't learned anything. Every time we find ourselves facing some new dishonorable horror, we embrace it in the next generation, and add to it on the backs of the generation that follows.

There are more examples than I care to mention, or think about. Perhaps it's just the winter blues, but from here, I feel like the fight is lost, and nothing I do, or say, or think will effect the result.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
5. Not too worry then, the neocons and their propagandists are working hard for a War with Russia.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:33 PM
Feb 2015

THAT should keep things going for a long, long time.

And to see how people fall for it, AGAIN. Just like IRAQ.

They know their job, ramp up as much OUTRAGE as possible, lie as often and as well as possible.

Then slap the words 'National Security' on the whole mess and create yet, another Arch Enemy that needs to be stopped 'Over there', before they invade us OVER HERE.

It's amazing to watch it happening AGAIN.

Though I have to say, they are getting huge push back from all over the world.

Still, these warmongers don't give up easily.

Too bad they weren't all tried and convicted for their last crimes against humanity.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. Yes, they are out there, working hard as ever.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:19 AM
Feb 2015

But they would achieve nothing, if they did not have enablers.

I am encouraged to see that this time, they are having a more difficult time starting WW111 though.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
6. I despise
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:42 PM
Feb 2015

that ignorant beady eyed fucker !!!

He also said, "If this were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier...as long as I am the dictator. Hehehe."

The entire Bush administration should be in Guantanamo Bay detention camp.

The United States would collapse if peace were to ever break out.

War keeps the economy buzzing right along.

What the fuck is wrong with this country ?????????

Things could have been so very different.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. His neocon war mongers are still busy trying to get some more wars going.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 01:17 AM
Feb 2015

It's bad enough they all were not prosecuted for their crimes against THIS country and against humanity in general, but many of them are still in positions of power in this various parts of the government.

I thought all of them would be cleared out once we won in 2008. But far from it, people like Clapper, Nuland et al and many, many more remain in our government, doing all they can to start a war, this time with Russia.

I don't get it, in a real democracy the first step would have been to replace all of them with Democrats, then to start the investigations.

They've been operating within our government for decades now.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
8. Obama considering arming Ukraine, officials say/MSNBC
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:53 PM
Feb 2015

Yay! We've finally found another hairy, scary, bogeyman to provide profits for the MIC!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/active-discussions-administration-arming-ukraine-officials-say

“Active and comprehensive discussions” are underway in the Obama administration over whether the United States should provide heavy weapons to Ukrainian forces under increasing attack by pro-Russian separatists, senior defense officials told NBC News on Monday.

The most lethal weapons could include anti-armor missiles, armored Humvees, radar and drones to attack Russian rocket launchers and artillery that have been battering Ukrainian forces, the officials said.

They stressed Monday that no decision had been made. The New York Times reported Sunday that administration and military officials are edging toward providing “defensive” arms to Ukrainian forces.

Bernadette Meehan, a spokeswoman for the National Security Council, said that the administration is “constantly assessing” its options but declined to discuss the details of administration policy debates.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. I thought real men went to Tehran? Perle and Kristol said nothing about Moscow.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:56 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Mon Feb 2, 2015, 05:32 PM - Edit history (2)

Their game may be to give the Russians an orange revolution of their very own.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. Napoleon went to Moscow and Hitler tried to.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 04:59 PM
Feb 2015
The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men Gang aft agley, Robert Burns

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
26. War without End accomplishes a few things without much, if any, public and Congressional debate...
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:33 AM
Feb 2015

1. Transfers public money into private corporations without cease, automatically, like a trillion dollar direct deposit.
2. Keeps global population down, helping preserve the world's natural resources for "more deserving" white people.
3. Allows suppression of freedom and democracy in the USA in the name of fighting the enemies wars without end create without cease.

There are more, but I don't want to give asshats any new ideas.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
18. What is this thread?
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 10:08 PM
Feb 2015

I see no logic here, just a bunch of conspiratorial dogmas thrown together in an attempt to look "edgy."

Whatever. Knock yourselves out.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
22. Followed by hollow apologies for status quo.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 02:00 AM
Feb 2015

Feel free to enlist if you like the business plan.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
29. That's what the All-Volunteer Army is for.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 12:31 PM
Feb 2015

And the Drones, their Replacements.

In fact, all that Cheney's heirs will have to do to run war 'n' things is press a button and it's "Goodbye, protesting rabble."

Unfortunately for people who actually give a damn about the 99-percent, it's "Goodnight, Democracy."





How the Pentagon’s Skynet Would Automate War

by NAFEEZ AHMED
Vice.com, November 24, 2014

Pentagon officials are worried that the US military is losing its edge compared to competitors like China, and are willing to explore almost anything to stay on top—including creating watered-down versions of the Terminator.

Due to technological revolutions outside its control, the Department of Defense (DoD) anticipates the dawn of a bold new era of automated war within just 15 years. By then, they believe, wars could be fought entirely using intelligent robotic systems armed with advanced weapons.

Last week, US defense secretary Chuck Hagel ann​ounced the ‘Defense Innovation Initiative’—a sweeping plan to identify and develop cutting edge technology breakthroughs “over the next three to five years and beyond” to maintain global US "mili​tary-technological superiority." Areas to be covered by the DoD programme include robotics, autonomous systems, miniaturization, Big Data and advanced manufacturing, including 3D printing.

But just how far down the rabbit hole Hagel’s initiative could go—whether driven by desperation, fantasy or hubris—is revealed by an overlooked Pentagon-funded study, published quietly in mid-September by the DoD National Defense University’s (NDU) Center for Technology and National Security Policy in Washington DC.

SNIP...

The NDU study warns that while accelerating technological change will “flatten the world economically, socially, politically, and militarily, it could also increase wealth inequality and social stress,” and argues that the Pentagon must take drastic action to avoid the potential decline of US military power: “For DoD to remain the world’s preeminent military force, it must redefine its culture and organizational processes to become more networked, nimble, and knowledge-based.”

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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-the-pentagons-skynet-would-automate-war



Then, the 1-percent can protect their loot with drones-n-robots. Better than an army, with VA hospitals and retirement and all that stuff those leechers leech.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
25. Yeah, like SidDithers of DU standing up for the BFEE brand.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:27 AM
Feb 2015

One dot in SidDithers' pattern:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024114970#post8

Copy of original photo:



To which I reply:

Why you find fun in the BFEE is your business, SidDithers.

Bartcop coined the term "Bush Family Evil Empire" to denote the 60-year pre-eminence of one family in the formation of the political philosophy in the United States, that of the War Party. And, yes, personally, I have tried to chronicle their influence on the ascension of the national security state. At least three generations have held high national office, while also making big money off war and looting the public Treasury. The last president of the United States, a man who wasn't elected fair and square by any stretch of the imagination, actually said: "Money trumps peace" at a press conference. For some reason, not a single "journalist" had the guts to ask him what he meant by that.

Why that doesn't bother you is your business. It does bother me.

PS: Something I've notice about you, SidDithers of DU, is that you never seem to post anything that adds to what we know about these treasonous warmongers. I do remember that you do like to post funny pictures and emoticons about those who try to shed light on the un-democratic crime family.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
24. Ever hear of Tyler Cowen or ''Money trumps peace''?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 09:18 AM
Feb 2015

For some reason, the rich benefit economically and politically from war.

Now do you understand, YoungDemCA?


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
32. Carlyle Group investment bank owns NSA go-to spyhaus Booz Allen Hamilton.
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 05:52 PM
Feb 2015

Small world.



Behind the Curtain: Booz Allen Hamilton and its Owner, The Carlyle Group

Written by Bob Adelmann
The New American; June 13, 2013

According to writers Thomas Heath and Marjorie Censer at the Washington Post, The Carlyle Group and its errant child, Booz Allen Hamilton (BAH), have a public relations problem, thanks to NSA leaker and former BAH employee Edward Snowden. By the time top management at BAH learned that one of their top level agents had gone rogue, and terminated his employment, it was too late.

For years Carlyle had, according to the Post, “nurtured a reputation as a financially sophisticated asset manager that buys and sells everything from railroads to oil refineries”; but now the light from the Snowden revelations has revealed nothing more than two companies, parent and child, “bound by the thread of turning government secrets into profits.”

And have they ever. When The Carlyle Group bought BAH back in 2008, it was totally dependent upon government contracts in the fields of information technology (IT) and systems engineering for its bread and butter. But there wasn't much butter: After two years the company’s gross revenues were $5.1 billion but net profits were a minuscule $25 million, close to a rounding error on the company’s financial statement. In 2012, however, BAH grossed $5.8 billion and showed earnings of $219 million, nearly a nine-fold increase in net revenues and a nice gain in value for Carlyle.

Unwittingly, the Post authors exposed the real reason for the jump in profitability: close ties and interconnected relationships between top people at Carlyle and BAH, and the agencies with which they are working. The authors quoted George Price, an equity analyst at BB&T Capital: "[Booz Allen has] got a great brand, they've focused over time on hiring top people, including bringing on people who have a lot of senior government experience." (Emphasis added.)

For instance, James Clapper had a stint at BAH before becoming the current Director of National Intelligence; George Little consulted with BAH before taking a position at the Central Intelligence Agency; John McConnell, now vice chairman at BAH, was director of the National Security Agency (NSA) in the ‘90s before moving up to director of national intelligence in 2007; Todd Park began his career with BAH and now serves as the country's chief technology officer; James Woolsey, currently a senior vice president at BAH, served in the past as director of the Central Intelligence Agency; and so on.

BAH has had more than a little problem with self-dealing and conflicts of interest over the years. For instance in 2006 the European Commission asked the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and Privacy International (PI) to investigate BAH’s involvement with President George Bush’s SWIFT surveillance program, which was viewed by that administration as “just another tool” in its so-called “War on Terror.” The only problem is that it was illegal, as it violated U.S., Belgian, and European privacy laws. BAH was right in the middle of it. According to the ACLU/PI report,

Though Booz Allen’s role is to verify that the access to the SWIFT data is not abused, its relationship with the U.S. Government calls its objectivity significantly into question. (Emphasis added.)

Among Booz Allen’s senior consulting staff are several former members of the intelligence community, including a former Director of the CIA and a former director of the NSA.


As noted by Barry Steinhardt, an ACLU director, “It’s bad enough that the [Bush] administration is trying to hold out a private company as a substitute for genuine checks and balances on its surveillance activities. But of all companies to perform audits on a secret surveillance program, it would be difficult to find one less objective and more intertwined with the U.S. government security establishment.” (Emphasis added.)

CONTINUED w Links n Privatized INTEL...

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15696-behind-the-curtain-booz-allen-hamilton-and-its-owner-the-carlyle-group



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