Dear Americans, please educate yourself about history of unions in America...

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I am so god damn sick and tired of talking to some average Joe, or friend from the old days who informs me that the problem is the unions...



No you stupid, uninformed, uneducated dumb shit, the problem is NOT the unions.


http://www.albany.edu/history/history316/LaborMovementHistory1.html

But a reminder that the garment industry was a good deal this side of paradise occurred in 1911, when a fire broke out at the Triangle Shirtwaist Co. on New York's lower east side. About 150 employees almost all of them young women-perished when the fire swept through the upper floors of the loft building in which they worked. Many burned to death; others jumped and died. Why so large a casualty list? The safety exits on the burning floors had been securely locked, allegedly to prevent "loss of goods." New York and the country were aroused by the tragedy. A state factory investigation committee headed by Frances Perkins (she was to become Franklin Roosevelt's secretary of labor in 1933, the first woman cabinet member in history) paved the way for many long needed reforms in industrial safety and fire prevention measures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-union_violence

Union organizer Frank Little was pulled from his bed and lynched in 1917 because of his union activities

[former9thward]

1. I have always had more success talking to people about my views

when I didn't call them " you stupid, uninformed, uneducated dumb shit." But maybe that is just me....

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

2. Really, so how many of these geniuses have you changed the mind of?

I am assuming you agree with me that being in a union is vastly better than not being in one?

[former9thward]

5. I don't know whose mind's I changed.

But I was the Chairman of a major local of the United Steelworkers Union in a steel mill in Chicago. I was young and white so I had to change the views of a lot of people in a majority minority local union to get and stay elected. I listened to people rather than talk at them.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

7. That is entirely different from what I am doing, and you know it.

I am expressing frustration on a message board frequented mostly by Democrats.

Now, since the election of the Muslim from Kenya and before that the 40 year campaign by the Koch bros and others to destroy unions in America, surely you see an extreme attitude on the teaparty type when it comes to this and agree that we are getting dumber and dumber as Americans on this issue?

And great, if you are an actual union worker then you are doing the right thing by talking to them nicley, that isnt my job, if it was maybe I would handle it differently.

My job is to want to bang my head against the wall when I hear such stupidity.








and god help me if i have to add that the Muslim from Kenya is sarcasm...

[Thinkingabout]

3. Yes, there has been people giving their lives trying to make life better for those who followed.

Union organizers worked to give better working conditions plus a little sharing of profits. I listen to conversations from those who have never been a union member and their disgust of unions, trying to tell me how unions protect "bad" employees, I give them examples where I in the capacity would council with members who I saw going the wrong direction and explain the union was not going to "protect" their employment unless they changed their ways. I got into a conversation Sunday about why unions steps in when an employees get into trouble, in my union we had to represent everyone even the non members because it was required or charges could be brought against the union and their representatives. It is the same thought as attorneys represent murders, etc. I don't think they thought of it this way. Oh, for every employee to be represented by a union.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

4. THanks, you have a much better attitude about it than I do and I will leave

the counseling to people with cooler heads, like you.

But I dont know how so many americans got so dumb

[Bandit]

6. IMO Unions should resort to tactics they used in the early years.

Axe handles and brass knuckles.. Want to work at a Union job without supporting the Union, well you should get what is due you..