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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAlright, ONE MORE TIME, it is NOT Democrat Party, it is DemocratIC Party
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_%28epithet%29I just saw it used in a Huff Post article.
This is a big deal, I know many of you say it isnt.
It is.
PLEASE expose it and complain about it EVERY TIME you see it!
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)adieu
(1,009 posts)but I always pronounce it as the "ASSHOLES" party.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)FSogol
(45,487 posts)even get the name of one of the two major political parties in this country correct?"
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)The Republic Party has:
a lack of reasonable positions in fact most of their positions are designed to hurt people rather than help.
they have no logical reason for these positions.
they applaud at the idea people can die because they can't pay for medical care.
they oppose nearly if not all civil rights issues.
and they believe wage slavery is a good thing even if it means a lot of people go hungry at least once or twice a month and that these same people are always stressed about being less than a pay check away from eviction.
I am a bit more worried about that. Because the insults are just designed to distract us from the fact that beneath those insults are some very ugly people ugly to their cores.
Journeyman
(15,033 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)read the excerpt from huff post
Unless those arent excerpts but are the commentary of the OP, which would still be bad but not the same I guess.
NO, it is from the linked article
Journeyman
(15,033 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)or house...
Only the recent fad of creating this as an issue has it changed.
It has been done to INSULT your party, i mean you ARE a Democrat, right?
I dont think in the thousands and thousands of hours of political radio, tv, or for that matter movies and fiction, have I heard
Democrat Controlled House
always
Democratically Controlled House or Democratically controlled Senate
always
Until recently, although this INTENTIONAL INSULT isnt new.
Even if this person at Huff Post did it grammatically correct and meant no harm, my point is valid and on a board that
IS SUPPOSE TO BE ONLY DEMOCRATS, one wouldnt expect some of the responses I have seen.....
Maybe the worst reaction I would expect to see on a BOARD DEDICATED TO DEMOCRATS, would be: "Hey, you know in that specific case, even though it is always said the way you are saying it, the way it was written there is grammatically correct, but I get your point"
That is what I would expect from a Democrat.
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PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Although I don't of any political party that smells as sweet as a rose.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)it will be, and the sheep fell into line.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)FSogol
(45,487 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)msongs
(67,407 posts)democrat- controlled is correct when referring to people and not the party. Who formerly controlled the senate? = democrats, not democratics. It is incorrect to say Democrat Party when referring to the party
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)You can either not rise to the bait, or you can call them on it by educating them (correcting them) with what msongs says above!
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)No one else does it. Rachel just sits there and laughs that stupid silly laugh which gets on my nerves. As much as I dislike Matthews, he's the only one on our side that never allows them to get away with it.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)of this issue as well. And yes, some of them are right here on DU, too.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)every time I see someone post "Democrat Party" I feel like shouting, "We've got one!"
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)or a liberal policy as not being liberal enough; and they use the term Democrat Party, I say "GOT-CHA." I do the same thing when somebody who claims to be a progressive, and then uses the term SHEEPLE. Nice try.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)That's when I know they're full of shit! Or, when they claim to be an Independent, but never attack the ReThugs for anything, always going after Democrats for everything.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)It irritates me when they do it and it gives them away.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)It isn't a big deal. You don't say Senator Reid Democratic, Nevada. You say Senator Reid, Democrat, Nevada. You don't say President Obama is a Democratic. You say President Obama is a Democrat. This isn't an epitaph.
Oh, and the reference to the ill conceived rant from yesterday? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026197580
You're passionate, I'll give you credit on that. However, you are also rather reactionary about these things. That doesn't do our side the good you imagine it does.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)post if you want to follow along... after all there is tomorrow
See what delight it brings
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)82. ...and anyone who votes for $$$ owned politicians is a traitor to the Democrat party.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)It's good to have hopes dreams and goals.
Let me know if you ever give a fuck about fair campaign financing. Until then enjoy your oligarchy.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)When I am being attacked for defending liberalism or the Democratic Party, I know I am doing something right.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Skittles
(153,164 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...you say Obama is a DemocratIC President.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)Democratic Senate (as opposed to Democrat-controlled Senate)
Democratic Senator Reid is correct - because "Senator Reid" is a noun phrase. President is a noun. Senate is a noun. Adjectives modify or describe nouns.
Control is a verb. Adjectives don't modify verbs. So when the phrase is {blank}-controlled Senate, what goes in the {blank} is NOT an adjective.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)When they start following me around, I know I am on the right track.
Stay vigilant!
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)These sorts of reactionary responses hurt
the *democrats* as much as single issue voting!
It's no wonder the *big tent* has such
a poor following at election time...
TRIANGULATION and WEDGE POLITICS
are destroying the DEMOCRATS.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)It is the GOP who specializes in single issue voting such as anti-abortion and anti-same sex marriage as a way to pry the social conservatives away from the Dems.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)On the other hand, getting a stalker on DU is sort of a badge of honor.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)The OP created a thread to whine about
a perceived slight offered by right-wingers.
Using *democrat* is nothing more than a childish attempt
at an insult...nothing worthy of democrat(ic) outrage.
The issue comes off as pout-rage
As to wedge issues and triangulation,
whenever Democrats evoke or respond
to the right-wing culture war it hurts the party.
Culture war issues play into the right-wing frames
and narratives. It's giving right-wingers a home field advantage.
It mobilizes their voters and motivates campaign donations.
When a democratic candidate runs on the platforms
that galvanize right-wing voters it hurts the party
by alienating voters who should/would vote for Democrats.
Why do you suspect working-class republicans
vote against their self interests?
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)Are you going to stalk me now?
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)...but if you need a hand to hold
I'll hang with you
What's your opinion of *poutrage*?
for it or against it?
BTW, what is this *irony* you speak of
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)About this *irony* you speak of?
Can you elaborate?
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)I trust his arguments will get more polished. Your disdain just drips with hate, as if you were talking about a GOP nut bag instead of a fellow DUer.
His OP is accurate, he just gives a bad example via the Huffpo link. You could have just pointed out the inaccurate example and suggested a better one, but no, you had to insult and belittle his feelings. THAT is what is not helping "our side."
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)I am passionate about many things. Civil Rights as a single example of many. To a certain extent, I am interested in the use of language. I am not passionate about the time of day. I am not passionate about the weather. Nor am I passionate about the type of wood used in the chair that I sit in.
I reject your assertion that I am filled with hatred. In the link I provided, if you had followed it, he began with a flawed example. I disproved his assertion, politely, with references. I am human, and I make mistakes. I have sometimes believed things that were incorrect. The location of things for example. When shown that I was wrong, I have several choices about how I can respond. I can admit my error, correct the knowledge in my mind, and move forward wiser. I can deny the information, pretend the truth doesn't exist, and move from ignorant to idiotic. Or I can throw nonsense out that has nothing to do about what I was proven wrong about, which is juvenile. NJNP picked the last of the options. Through that thread, NJNP dismissed arguments that did not agree with their own as privileged white liberal beliefs.
I do not hate NJNP. I respect passion, directed towards a useful goal. An individual who is passionate about the time of day using my example above, is something to be worried about. Deciding the use of language that everyone can use takes authority over the issue unto oneself. The webpage for the DNC is democrats.org not democratic.org. I can easily find a thousand references where Democrats refer to themselves as a Democrat. So self appointed authority arrogantly thrown about coupled with misdirected passion is worthy of a certain amount of scorn, especially on the heels of the ill conceived assertions from the day before.
If you tell me that I must use the language in a way that you determine to be proper, and only in that way or else I am guilty of committing some great sin, I will eschew such an argument without malice.
My intent, and I believe I succeeded, was to speak to NJNP as a wiser (on this subject as well as the one before but certainly not arrogant enough to believe myself wiser on every subject) individual who was enlightening the passionate, but ill informed without malice.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)You have yet to address what the OP actually said.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)to hundreds of times outside of this new fad, or this recent renewal of this fad.
If it is a bad example, then so be it.
But as you said yourself, weird that on a board that ONLY DEMOCRATIC PARTY SUPPORTERS are suppose to be posting, there are people picking me apart over this.
Not weird actually, I have figured out why.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)I would be surprised if NJNP wasn't a RW troll trying to make Democrats look stupid.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)fucking know it. They enjoy it. They are such motherfucking baby hypocrites it can't be described in words. And I'm not exaggerating. I do wonder what drives these people. Are they that fucking mean to their core?
pocoloco
(3,180 posts)LOL! No wonder they do it!
A cold shower might help!
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)I can only believe it's FAUX OUTRAGE?
Adults couldn't possibly be so upset about
*PERCEIVED* schoolyard name calling?????
RATS? democRATS?? really ?
Repuglican? rethuglican? repukelican?
But democRATS!!!!111!!!!!1! arrgahhhhh!!1!1!!
jimlup
(7,968 posts)a cold shower might help me. I've been arguing with a gang of right-wing trolls on another site so that might be part of the anger in my typing...
But in all seriousness, I hate them to the core of my soul. I really do... and at least I can express that here.
ybbor
(1,554 posts)Mira
(22,380 posts)It is a put down. Comes from that it rhymes with "rat"
I detest it, and never ever let it go unchallenged.
Democrat rhymes with rat
about as much as english rhymes with sh
There's plenty of stuff to be mad about, but I don't see why this is one
-a proud democrat
Mira
(22,380 posts)absolutely don't.
They would not in talking point fashion all do it - and we collectively (see the thread) don't like it. Each time I hear it I feel slapped, and it is my right to feel however I do, and naturally so can you.
missmo1951
(21 posts)When it really shows idiocy. They shiver with glee when they use it.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)heart for you!
Cha
(297,251 posts)as Dems online and they slip up 'cause they don't know any better.
My experience anyway.
George II
(67,782 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)...satisfaction when using it upsets a democrat. That's why they do it. 4 year olds. I quit giving them that satisfaction years ago. I just note who uses it. No sense taking the bell off the cat.
madashelltoo
(1,698 posts)mountain grammy
(26,622 posts)I am a Democrat, a member of the Democratic Party."
George II
(67,782 posts)....and to the poster below me (above me?), I've been calling THAT party the "republic party" for years.
Chris Matthews a couple of years ago ran all over Darryl Issa on his show because he kept referring to is at the "Democrat" Party.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Christie of course just gave that smug indignant look.
George II
(67,782 posts)....points it out any chance he gets.
It's rude, but my wife and I call Ron Christie the "opti-grab" guy.
Lean
(39 posts)calling people out on this for years. It's also incorrect English. It shows their pettiness and ignorance.
George II
(67,782 posts)The real sting in the use of Democrat as an adjective goes back to the virulent anti-Communist Wisconsin Republican, Sen. Joseph McCarthy.
"Back in the 1950s, Joe McCarthy and his entourage began using Democrat Party and explaining by way of saying they didn't think the Dems really represented democratic ideas, etc. and should not be allowed to call themselves democratic," said Elving. "Most news organizations quoted his usage but did not adopt it."
calimary
(81,281 posts)I do complain about it every time I hear it or see it. It's been allowed to metastasize because NOBODY is challenging it or checking it or disputing it. NOT EVER.
I think WE should be the ones who decide what our party is called. And as long as the enemy thinks it's THEIR privilege, WE need to do the ol' "taste of their own medicine, see how they like it" remedy. If they think they can decide what our party's name is, then I shall feel free to decide what THEIR party is called. And I won't be nice about it, either.
Which is why I never call them anything but the republi-CON party. Cuz all they offer is a CON job. And if they don't like it, and if they want me to stop, I shall - when, and ONLY when they stop getting my party's name wrong. Because I know they do it deliberately. This is VERY bad behavior that needs to be checked, and corrected, at EVERY turn.
SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)They do it to prove their conservative bona fides. Just like we know a poster who calls us the "Democrat Party" is a troll, Boehner and McConnell's base would think they had "turned liberal" if they started calling us by our actual name. Hearing them call us the DemocRAT Party (the emphasis is always on the "rat" because they're oh so cleverly calling us rats) gives the base joy. It is the Beevis and Butthead-ization of the GOP.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)The OP is not saying you shouldn't say, when referring to specific individuals, that he or she is a "Democrat." However, he could have picked a better example of his point, such as how Speaker of the House Boehner, not just some idiot troll, repeatedly calls our party the Democrat Party. That Huffpo article the OP cites is apparently referring to individuals, not the name of our party. But the OP's point is otherwise clear and correct. References to the "Democrat Party" is a gratuitous insult.
bhikkhu
(10,718 posts)...petty little jabs from them, but it would be nice to give one back.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)is a big deal
It is.
PLEASE expose it and complain about it EVERY TIME you see it!
Maybe it's a big deal for you, but it isn't for me.
Oddly enough, I have other things in my life to be upset over.
And yeah, they're a big deal for me. So forgive me if I just can't make the effort to get all outraged over this.
Oh, and if you don't want "RepubliCONS" and "ReTHUGlicans" to keep using it, maybe it would be a good idea to stop giving them the satisfaction of seeing how much it upsets you.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)2. Even if it is a big deal, in this case you're wrong. (Huff Po), is correct. Your "correction" is not.
Democrat - noun
Democratic - adjective
The day after that showing of disapproval with the governor's minimum wage plan, the Democrat-controlled Senate passed a minimum wage increase bill which would raise the state's minimum wage to $9 by the middle of the year and $11 over four years.
Democrat-controlled Senate is correct. Democrat is being used as a noun, not an adjective, in the preceding sentence.
If they had inserted "party" in the sentence (Democratic Party controlled Senate), you would be grammatically correct. In that case, Democratic is the adjective which modifies the noun Party by telling which kind of party. The party controls the Senate. Which party? The Democratic party.
Either way, still not a big deal. Yes the Republicans are yanking our chain, because they have learned that there some of us who get disproportionately angry about it and it is fun to make us angry. But I grew up in a rural area, where 7th grade grammar didn't always stick, assuming folks actually made it out of the 7th grade. Most of my teachers in grades K-6 hadn't gone to school beyond high school. Tons of very loyal Democrats (Note: it is a noun here, see how that works?) referred to the party as the Democrat party. Not grammatically correct. But nothing nefarious about it - that's just how they spoke. They also made a number of other grammar errors, as well. I don't see any reason to jump down their throat about those grammar errors, either.
Stop letting them yank your chain. And if you're going to let them yank your chain, at least be sure you're right when you go postal about it.
hvn_nbr_2
(6,486 posts)All right, one more time, it is not alright, it is all right.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)... that frees me to use the term "TeaPublican".
Actually, that fits their party pretty well.
ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)(Sighhhhhh)
Keep up the good work, NoJusticeNoPeace.
Disdain for correct language usage, and contempt for the education which teaches correct language usage are RW neo-liberal values. It's shocking to see some DUers claiming this doesn't matter.
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)does matter.
But getting as frothed up about it as the OP did, wow.
I would say that anyone in this thread getting that pissed off about two letters added to, or subtracted from, a word really should get on their knees and give thanks for their good fortune.
Only in a First World country would people give this much attention to a word.
I wonder how many millions of people in other countries would love to have the same luxury we Americans have to be shocked (SHOCKED, I TELL YOU!!!) over one stinking word.
Pooka Fey
(3,496 posts)If you don't defend something, it means that it doesn't matter to you. We don't all have to agree on how best to express our displeasure.
And I don't really care what anyone in another country thinks about me or how I defend proper English usage. Everyone carries their own burdens, including those living in the 1st World. I show my gratitude to the universe for the benefit of my free education by defending the values of a free education and a liberal arts education, to boot.
Why do you assume that 3rd Worlders, who normally don't shit on their own family members because they need to stick together to survive, have it worse than me? Many 3rd Worlders have wised up to scam that is modern capitalist industrial society.
Check out the IKEA advertisement, "How do people start the day in the World's Cities" and see how in India, a household is Grandparents, Parents, and Kids all living in one household, all smiling and all watching out for each other. In London, a household is a group of about 5-6 roommates who probably all come and go at random like the 4 winds. Which is a stronger bond?
Wealth is more than money or things like a mortgage and a credit card bill - it's ties, friends, family, a job, security, community, access to culture and free or low cost education, access to free or low cost health care, access to clean non GMO food, clean water (Detroit doesn't have this), access to employment which pays a living wage (Americans don't have this). By what measure are the 99%er Americans "wealthy"? The guilt trip doesn't work on me. No hard feelings.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)It's just about "two letters". When I was growing up I felt uncomfortable being called "that Jew kid Oilem" instead of "that Jewish kid Oilem".
But that's three letters. No wonder it hurt.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)dissentient
(861 posts)This is common though, some people think that whatever upsets them or whatever they think is an important issue, everyone else has to think the same.
No they don't. Just because you think something is important or you have a pet issue that you get all excited about, doesn't mean everyone else has to agree with you and think the same way as you.
Not at all. Individuals can think very differently than others on all sorts of topics. It's wonderful, this freedom.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts).......teachers rise from their graves with steel rulers in their rotting fists, and descend on you to beat your knuckles bloody before they feast on your putrid Republican brain."
"Democratic is the adjective. democrat is a noun.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)68. Convince people that Big Bang Theory is not funny
69. Convince people to start calling pickles, pickled cucumbers
70. Convince people to start using Democratic instead of Democrat even when inappropriate.
SalviaBlue
(2,917 posts)Democratic Party. I explained that it was derogatory and grammatically incorrect and he said "I can use whatever term I want." So, I said I would henceforth refer to the Republican Party as the Asshole Party.
I think he got the point.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)to the bottom of my 'get all upset' list.
Okay, it's probably dead last on the list.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Yeah. I suppose I could move it up 1 slot to 2nd to the last on the list. But that would knock my concern over missing socks after doing laundry to dead last. I don't know what to do here.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)I just saw it used in a Huff Post article.
This is a big deal, I know many of you say it isnt.
It is.
PLEASE expose it and complain about it EVERY TIME you see it!
And I agree with you!
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Yes, I understand "Democratic" is the proper word usage, but I really can't get too upset when someone uses that word, or any other word, wrong.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Just not that important to ME.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)important to MANY Democratic supporters who want to stop very bad people from taking over our government.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Someone posts something and folks respond. Sometimes they agree with what is posted, other times they won't.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Just because you know it annoys them.
I left that behavior behind in elementary school I thought.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)It just doesn't bother me.
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Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)but I don't think they know or care that much about what the proper term is. They're all staunch Dems.
When I hear RWers like Limbaugh use that term, though, it's as if they're intentionally leaving out the principle of our party prioritizing the common man.