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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 10:17 AM Feb 2015

Republicans Still Denying Bush Lied About Iraq

Silberman does not mention that the commission he chaired did not even investigate whether the Bush administration manipulated intelligence. Senate Republicans refused to allow the commission to investigate this matter, fearing it would harm Bush’s reelection prospects.

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The question of whether, in addition to being victimized by faulty intelligence, also misrepresented the intelligence it did have, was left to a second Senate report, called the “Phase II” report, which came out a few years later. That report, which was endorsed by two of the committee’s seven Republicans and all its Democrats, concluded, “the Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent.”

Incredibly, Silberman’s op-ed does not mention the Phase II report at all. Silberman simply asserts that his committee, which was specifically instructed not to investigate whether Bush manipulated intelligence, did not find that Bush manipulated intelligence, and presents this as the final word.



more:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/republicans-still-denying-bush-lied-about-iraq.html


Silberman also overturned the convictions against Oliver North:

https://consortiumnews.com/200...

Some of that fury played out within conservative judicial circles. In Firewall, Walsh’s book about the Iran-contra scandal, the special prosecutor described how the black-robed Republican appointees to the U.S. Appeals Court in Washington “waited like the strategic reserves of an embattled army.”

A leader of this partisan faction was Judge Laurence H. Silberman, an obstreperous conservative who had served as a foreign policy adviser to Ronald Reagan’s 1980 campaign. At one point during the Iran-contra scandal, Silberman berated MacKinnon over his support for the special-prosecutor law.

https://consortiumnews.com/2001/012901b.html

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still_one

(92,210 posts)
1. And the MSM is so concerned about Brian Williams where the biggest lie that they
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 10:36 AM
Feb 2015

Helped perpetuate is ignored

Laxman

(2,419 posts)
2. That's Because Acknowledging The Lie...
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 10:50 AM
Feb 2015

is an admission that you were duped. It's why Bernie Madoff was so successful. Actually in this instance it's like expecting Bernie Madoff to tell his victims it was all an elaborate ruse. Only instead of some wealthy person getting scammed out of some money, this deception caused a world full of lasting pain and damage.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. I couldn't understood going so far to even deny a politician lied
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:21 AM
Feb 2015

It is pretty easy to prove most -- mainstream especially have told a lie it is certainly easy to show what they're omitting when saying this or how the way they said it is very misleading (Bill O'Reilly. Tells a lot of half-truths as well as an outright lies). Bill O'Reilly shouting at a 9/11 victim family member how Bill O'Reilly has done way more than the 9/11 victim's families than he could ever hope to which was wrong on so many levels but had nothing to do with his other claims (such as I'm glad your father isn't here to see you on here saying this stuff which said he actually wasn't a fan of Bush and felt the 2000 election of Bush was illegitimate) but as soon as Glick was about to mention Reagan/Bin Laden/Soviets Bill O'Reilly knew exactly where this was heading and was so desperate to cover up something that is practically indisputable (IOW, not a conspiracy theory) so eventually he "cut his mike out of respect for his father" which strike me as falling short of crossing a line violently, I don't see how you could be more disrespectful to anyone involved.

This is more of a lighter note but Stephen A Smith & Sean Hannity who was obsessing over something Obama did or say that may or may not have been lie can't remember what but Stephen A was defending whatever it was he said and defending the contradict (I'm pretty sure it was a statement regarding the topic of racism. I don't think it had anything policy was. Obama tends to add his 2 cents regarding topics of national interest such as "deflategate&quot but Hannity said, "you agree he lied then" or basically made the argument Obama told a lie then and Stephen A said "Of course he lied, what politician doesn't lie?"

I couldn't tell if Hannity was dead serious and it was very hard to tell because he delivered with a similar kind of a facial expression like Al Franken but they cut to commercial after Hannity answered "Reagan" which led to Stephen A cracking up like I never heard him laugh so hard.

Its very conservative where I live & I also happened to go to the Iraq War myself. I haven't run into this much lately but at first a lot of younger people I knew before & shortly after seemed disappointed. They thought I'd be one of those buy & defend the lies, not to mention the decision to even go there. I wish I was as familiar with Wahabbism (I had no idea why or what sect Al-Qaeda brand of terrorists & dictators belonged to or even that many things are in contrary with traditional Islam--they oppose the Hajj for example) as I am now because my realization of that & given that Saddam was a secular dictator (gave West Boro Baptist permission to hold an anti-gay protest in Baghdad in the run-up to the invasion. It just doesn't compute, especially when he launched an invasion of a country ran by Wahabbi dictators (kuwait)

underpants

(182,824 posts)
4. Jeffrey Toobin's "Opening Arguments" is another really good book on the Walsh investigation
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:38 AM
Feb 2015

The Ollie North case was Toobin's first job out of school/passing the bar.

The lengths every single person on Walsh's team had to go through to avoid any knowledge of Ollie's uniformed ( thanks to Joe Biden) testimony was amazing. He couldn't watch TV, read the newspaper at home (edited versions were available once the staff got to the office), the even blacked out the windows to their offices. The protocols were set up by Silberman and overseen by an ex-military officer type who was clearly hostile to the investigation. Periodic reports to Silberman's court verified that all protocols were being followed even exceeded.

Silberman's court (dominated by him) eventually used the failure to follow the protocols as the basis for giving Ollie a pass. He was clearly guilty of lying to Congress and basic theft. His alibi for having squirreled away money in shoeboxes (to buy a truck and a security fence & cameras) was proven to be false as well as just being absurd.

 

OverseaVisitor

(296 posts)
5. They cannot look at themselves in the mirror
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 12:02 PM
Feb 2015

That denial do not change what they are, maybe make them a bit crazy.

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