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Enrique

(27,461 posts)
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:22 AM Feb 2015

did people really think Obama opposed gay marriage because of God?

that's what he said at the time.

Now Axelrod comes out with the revelation that it was just politics and people are saying "i knew it!"

Did you also know that Obama has two ears, before some guy writes a book and tells you?

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did people really think Obama opposed gay marriage because of God? (Original Post) Enrique Feb 2015 OP
i said from the start it was about politics JI7 Feb 2015 #1
Absolutely politics yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #3
I wouldn't have trusted the MCCain/Palin ticket.....that social issue msanthrope Feb 2015 #6
Yeah AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #11
Timing was everything, and he played it beautifully still_one Feb 2015 #2
Votes...any thinking person knew this. ileus Feb 2015 #4
In the end, he's done more for LGBT folks than any other president. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #5
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2015 #8
I woudln't be surprised to find out he's an Atheist after he's left office. eom MohRokTah Feb 2015 #7
Bahaha oh man I would absolutely love that. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #19
I imagine most DUers didn't think Obama opposed gay marriage Johonny Feb 2015 #9
Rick Warren. eom GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #10
Adolph Hitler. eom NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #12
Didn't realize Adolph spoke at Obama's first inaugural. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #14
Rick Warren was used, Barack Obama used him like a rusty can-opener. NYC_SKP Feb 2015 #17
Of course not Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #13
Yes, in a cowardly place. hugo_from_TN Feb 2015 #16
He was pro-marriage equality back in the mid-1990s as a state legislator! bullwinkle428 Feb 2015 #15
He said it was for religious reason but evolved if that is not ture then he LIED ChosenUnWisely Feb 2015 #18
I have a mixed opinion on this. F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #20
I honestly think he's an atheist Prism Feb 2015 #21
It seems like you need to be shown a list Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #22
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. Absolutely politics
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:29 AM
Feb 2015

He mistakenly thought he wouldn't get votes if he was for pro gay marriage. He didn't trust the voters at the time.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
6. I wouldn't have trusted the MCCain/Palin ticket.....that social issue
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:36 AM
Feb 2015

might have won them the election.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. In the end, he's done more for LGBT folks than any other president.
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:33 AM
Feb 2015

Actions speak louder than words.

I'm proud of him, and not surprised at the times he's had to be a politician.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
9. I imagine most DUers didn't think Obama opposed gay marriage
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 11:55 AM
Feb 2015

just like most DUers didn't think George Bush believed in a carbon tax and civil unions. It was just political angling bullshit that happens in campaigns. Most DUers are politically astute to spot it. Hence we weren't blown away when the polling numbers seemed to magically transform Obama's opinion on it or George Bushes complete lack of action on these issues.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
17. Rick Warren was used, Barack Obama used him like a rusty can-opener.
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:18 PM
Feb 2015

Obama put the smack-down on RW bigots by bringing Warren to the stage, in the spotlight.

Daylight is the best disinfectant, you know.

It offended a small number of people, but caught the RW bigots by surprise and, best of all, made national the conversation that led to wider and wider public approval of same-sex marriage.

Rick Warren was USED! I love that he was actually used to promote what his is opposed to.

Hitler was nowhere to be found, but if he had been, Obama would have used him the same way.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
13. Of course not
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:01 PM
Feb 2015

Everyone knew he opposed it for political expediency. It was cowardly but we all knew deep down where his heart stood.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
15. He was pro-marriage equality back in the mid-1990s as a state legislator!
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:06 PM
Feb 2015

You have to be brain-dead to not realize it was about political expediency.

 

ChosenUnWisely

(588 posts)
18. He said it was for religious reason but evolved if that is not ture then he LIED
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:21 PM
Feb 2015

to the American people, period.

No if ands or buts, he lied.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
20. I have a mixed opinion on this.
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:52 PM
Feb 2015

On the one hand, I think stalling the advancement of rights of an oppressed group for political expediency is morally pretty messed up. But on the other hand, he really has done more for the LGBT community than any other president before him. Bit of a mixed bag on this one, I think. I've been rather disappointed in him in a number of social issues, and in almost every case, the disappointment comes from either his pro-corporate leanings (as in the case with marijuana legalization and reclassification) or his sacrificing equality for politics (as in the case with his LGBT support).

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
21. I honestly think he's an atheist
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:54 PM
Feb 2015

But that will not fly in higher American politics yet. He's a politician. He says what he thinks will advance himself, same as any other.

However, the LGBT revision is a little eye roll worthy. I believe the President would've remained anti-marriage if that's where the wind was blowing. His Justice Deparment was despicable in the beginning of his term. The LGBT community, our allies, the courts, and many others did the hard work to make it safe enough for him to join us.

And that's fine.

But DU is already starting to do that thing where in two years he'll have single-handedly brought gay marriage to the land. Not really . . .

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