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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 03:49 PM Feb 2015

Repub Sen. Inhofe, shows FAKE 'Russians in Ukraine' Photos to Congress. Then is forced to apologize!

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With huge amounts of egg on his war-mongering face, Republican Senator Inhofe, after initially, and with the required amount of OUTRAGE that these photos PROVED the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine, presented his fake info to the media and the Senate, he tries to wriggle out of his huge faux pas with a 'conditional' apology.

But thanks to fact checkers, Bloggers again, no longer willing to take war mongers at face value, Inhofe was forced to admit that he had made a mistake.

Do our Senators no longer have paid staffs to fact check stuff as important as this before spreading potentially incorrect information to the media?

Sen. Inhofe Blames ‘Ukrainian Delegation’ for Providing Him with Bogus War Atrocity Photos

Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) today blamed a Ukrainian delegation for the photos supposedly depicting Russian atrocities in Ukraine, which he provided to a DC news site and subsequently discovered were outdated.

According to BuzzFeed, Inhofe’s office told them that the photos, eventually published by the Washington Free Beacon, had come from a “delegation” including two first-year members of parliament, some academics, and some military officers.

[link:http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4528166/senator-inhofe-shows-fake-photos-ukraine-war|]
Why is he blaming someone else? Isn't it HIS job, when he gets material from people with an agenda, a WAR agenda at that, to thoroughly fact check the information before using it for the purpose of ramping up OUTRAGE that COULD lead to war?

Image of photos that turned out to be fake, sent to the media by Inhofe's office:




Feelings, nothing more than feelings, are all that are required now from a US Senator asking for money for WAR, before presenting his EVIDENCE as to why our tax dollars need to be spent, on MORE WAR:

“We felt confident to release these photos because the images match the reporting of what is going on in the region,” Inhofe said in a statement to BuzzFeed. “I was furious to learn one of the photos provided now appears to be falsified from an AP photo taken in 2008.


Maybe he better check his OTHER 'sources' also?? Might be a good idea before the neocons drag us into yet another war!

And maybe the media should fact check what our Senators are sending them before THEY publish, blindly apparently, the information themselves?

Last night, the Free Beacon updated its story with the headline “Updated: Provenance of Photos Showing Atrocities Questioned,” and added the reporting from BuzzFeed in their final update. “The Washington Free Beacon regrets the error,” they added.



And from CSpan:

See Video of Inhofe with his fake photos on Senate Floor:

Senator Inhofe Shows Fake Photos To Congress from Ukraine War

Video of Sen. James Inhofe presenting photographs to the Senate on Feb. 11 of what he said were Russian tanks in Ukraine last year. Two of the three images were in fact taken in 2008 during Russia's war with Georgia; the third shows Russian-backed separatists.


And more from the NYT:

Sifting Ukrainian Fact From Ukrainian Fiction


In his prepared remarks, Mr. Inhofe, a Republican from Oklahoma, said the images of “Russian troops in T-72 tanks, B.T.R. armored personnel carriers, and B.M.P. infantry fighting vehicles entering eastern Ukraine” constituted evidence of “an invasion of the Ukraine by Russia.”

While none of his colleagues saw anything amiss with the presentation, The Washington Free Beacon, a friendly conservative news outlet Mr. Inhofe’s staff provided the same images to, acknowledged on Thursday that “serious questions have been raised about the authenticity of some of the photographs” by bloggers with access to Google Image search.


So once AGAIN, America has to rely on BLOGGERS to 'vet' information being used by our Representatives, to demand FUNDING for Foreign Wars, which is what Inhofe was using those fake photos for!

And in case anyone thinks that NO ONE would ever LIE to get us into WAR, a reminder, an article documenting the deceptions that led to the disastrous Invasion of Iraq:

Lie After Lie After Lie: What Colin Powell Knew Ten Years Ago Today and What He Said

Clearly, Powell's loyalty to George Bush extended to being willing to deceive the world: the United Nations, Americans, and the coalition troops about to be sent to kill and die in Iraq. He's never been held accountable for his actions, and it's extremely unlikely he ever will be.


Whenever there are neocons involved, and there are in Ukraine, people need to read and listen very carefully to what they are being told.

We learned that from Iraq, or did we?
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Repub Sen. Inhofe, shows FAKE 'Russians in Ukraine' Photos to Congress. Then is forced to apologize! (Original Post) sabrina 1 Feb 2015 OP
Simple solution... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2015 #1
It's not just the 'right' this time. Wasn't the last time either. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #18
The name "ISIS" was created by the US media because they thought it would sell well to the public J_J_ Feb 2015 #44
'Why are they trying to sell us wars'? Good question, and they are doing it the way they did with sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #54
Similar fake 'news' as Fox, now CNN, carrying the "Jews Walking in Paris" propaganda...anyone notice the Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #2
Truthiness is better than truth Fumesucker Feb 2015 #3
The neocons are very busy over there, and here, trying to start another one of their wars. Lies are sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #8
Was it a mobile biological weapons factory? yellowcanine Feb 2015 #4
The internet may yet save the world. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #5
That is why they want to get control of it. Support Net Neutrality!! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #6
I was remembering Powell's 'drawings' or what looked like kindergarten drawings sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #7
Why would anyone believe the media after they supported those lies, they want two more wars now J_J_ Feb 2015 #41
repub freelance foreign policy fuckery elehhhhna Feb 2015 #9
And here's a chance for Democrats to call them out on their war mongering lies and to REFUSE to fund sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #10
Those war-mongering necons include President Obama... FBaggins Feb 2015 #14
What are we doing over there?? This is an EU and Russia problem. So why are the neocons so involved sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #19
Who says that we're doing anything? FBaggins Feb 2015 #22
Do not interpret my words. They are very clear and do not need whatever you have in your head sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #27
Nice attempt at spin FBaggins Feb 2015 #29
Inhofe is on the Arms Committee. He produced fake photos to try to persuade Congress to send arms sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #33
The arms committee does not control foreign policy. Nor are they the source for intelligence. FBaggins Feb 2015 #38
So it's okay for the Senate Arms Committee to use fake information to persuade Congress to arm sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #39
They didn't FBaggins Feb 2015 #42
30 years ago was before neocons got cart blanch to use 'terror' to scare elected officials into sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #55
Oh! I get it now! FBaggins Feb 2015 #59
You're rambling again, posting thoughts that appear to be occupying only your sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #60
"If the Senate Arms Committee is using seven year old photos to 'prove' something to Congress" J_J_ Feb 2015 #43
I agree, it's clear from this that Inhofe didn't even do the minimum to determine if something he sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #53
I think he/she should just make a list of 'non-acceptable' posters who polly7 Feb 2015 #30
Yes, I wonder who gave him/her that authority to tell DUers they do not belong here? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #31
I don't know how they'd get that authority either. polly7 Feb 2015 #32
You understand it FAR better than you here claim FBaggins Feb 2015 #46
No, I don't. Explain it. Why do you have the authority to tell Sabrina to leave DU? nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #47
That was "defending lies and liars" FBaggins Feb 2015 #49
Go look back at your posts, ffs. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #50
What are these 'implications' you keep talking about? I provide FACTS, you appear not to like those sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #57
Why don't you stick to issues, rather than constantly attacking other DUers here? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #63
Why don't you stick to issues, rather than constantly attacking other DUers here? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #64
There are a few that trot out the TOS Puglover Feb 2015 #37
I know, Puglover, as if any of us gives 'two shits' about their opinions either! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #61
DU has never been a forum that defended the lies of the neocons who dragged this country into war. J_J_ Feb 2015 #35
I know, which is why it is so strange to see anyone wanting to suppress the exposure of the lies sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #36
we know Inhofe lied,Obama believes lies,therefore you are not a democrat if you don't believe lies J_J_ Feb 2015 #45
And yet, the very same people will excuse the votes for Bush's wars by some Democrats who sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #62
+1...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #28
-1...nt elias49 Feb 2015 #34
oooh, you sure showed them!!! Sheepshank Feb 2015 #52
- 2 ... nt sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #65
+2 n/t zappaman Feb 2015 #51
+5 Billion nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #48
Exactly! But sssshhhhh! You see how resistant some people are to the TRUTH. So I wouldn't sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #56
Democrats should be very angry! Inhofe should be angry 'who would lie to me!' Obama should be angry J_J_ Feb 2015 #40
James Inhofe... 3catwoman3 Feb 2015 #11
He's not the only one. Just one of the warmongers who got caught this time. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #12
Just when you thought he couldn't get any nuttier... GoCubsGo Feb 2015 #13
That dude is an idiot. n/t Adrahil Feb 2015 #15
Disgusting American war propaganda Ramses Feb 2015 #16
Just like Iraq! Same 'players', same lies. Only difference this time, some on the 'left' are sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #17
Heck, what's so important about starting a war? gratuitous Feb 2015 #20
Inhofe would not be interested in Walter Reed. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #21
I'm seeing a lot of blaming others ... surrealAmerican Feb 2015 #23
He obviously didn't care whether the info was fake of not. He just 'ran with it'. Probably had word sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #58
You would think that they would stop this by now. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #24
The West never learns malaise Feb 2015 #25
Nailed it! nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #26

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. It's not just the 'right' this time. Wasn't the last time either.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:33 AM
Feb 2015

The 'drums of war' are beating again and it appears we have learned nothing from Iraq.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
44. The name "ISIS" was created by the US media because they thought it would sell well to the public
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:03 PM
Feb 2015


No one else even calls them that.

People should start to wonder, 'why are they trying to sell us wars'?

Is this really the best use of our time, our treasury, our great minds?

What if we put all of that to use on helping people.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
54. 'Why are they trying to sell us wars'? Good question, and they are doing it the way they did with
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 03:31 PM
Feb 2015

Iraq, using FALSE 'evidence' unless someone outside the government catches the lies apparently.

They are following the neocon agenda, because those war criminals were never prosecuted for their lies and other criminal acts.

So why wouldn't they do it all over again? They obviously view the American people as too stupid to stop them.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. Similar fake 'news' as Fox, now CNN, carrying the "Jews Walking in Paris" propaganda...anyone notice the
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 03:55 PM
Feb 2015

former employee of the Israeli Foreign Ministry never shows what he may have written or displayed on the BACK of his clothes as he smugly struts around in the highly edited James O'Keefish video?

It is not "news" anymore in any of the corporate owned media world, it is pure propaganda at work and the targets are clear enough.

Et tu, CNN? Total abandonment of any basic journalism ethics or standards to further "the cause"?

Who is paying Jeff Zucker to push the high production value Islamaphobic anti-science news 24/7 and how much do he and all the on-air talking puppet heads make, taking their cut from the massive ad dollars rolling in from the drug, energy, bank and survival seed corporations?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. Truthiness is better than truth
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 03:56 PM
Feb 2015

Truthiness always supports the narrative, truth unfortunately often does not.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. The neocons are very busy over there, and here, trying to start another one of their wars. Lies are
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 04:51 PM
Feb 2015

their MO. 'Noble lies' I believe they call them.

These are not the first fake photos we've seen from Ukraine, but this time they could not fake it as it was made so public.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. I was remembering Powell's 'drawings' or what looked like kindergarten drawings
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 04:24 PM
Feb 2015

of Saddam's supposed WMD 'factories' he presented to the UN.

And the old photos of what were supposed to be buried, (to hide) WMDs that turned out to be and ancient plane graveyard or something.

But it worked.

Hopefully this time it won't.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
41. Why would anyone believe the media after they supported those lies, they want two more wars now
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:57 PM
Feb 2015

They are embarrassingly obvious with their greed and lies,

They are too stupid to realize how corrupt they all look

and yet...

why can't we stand up to them and stop this bullshit?

I have so had enough of this bullshit!!!!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. And here's a chance for Democrats to call them out on their war mongering lies and to REFUSE to fund
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 05:39 PM
Feb 2015

this neocon War in Ukraine. THAT is why Inhofe used the fake photos, to force Congress to fund that war.

I haven't yet heard any outraged speeches from our Democrats yet, at the deception that was uncovered.

We should be hearing from Democrats demanding that there be some serious vetting of material coming from Kiev.

If they learned anything from Iraq, they would be out there right now demanding if ANYTHING we are hearing is based on fact.

This is just what they have been caught doing so far.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
14. Those war-mongering necons include President Obama...
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 09:59 PM
Feb 2015

... Secretary of State Kerry... and ambassador Power... right?

Why do you keep dodging that question?

We should be hearing from Democrats demanding that there be some serious vetting of material coming from Kiev.

They don't need to. They have access to far more reliable data... which says the same thing that the fake photo(s) said.



Thank you. We’ve gotten used to living in an upside-down world with respect to Ukraine. Russia speaks of peace, and then fuels conflict. Russia signs agreements, and then does everything within its power to undermine them. Russia champions the sovereignty of nations, and then acts as if a neighbor’s borders do not exist. Yet even for those of us growing accustomed to living in an upside-down world, the idea that Russia – which manufactured and continues to escalate the violence in Ukraine – has tabled a resolution today calling for the conflict’s peaceful solution, is ironic, to say the least. Bitterly ironic, given that this Council has dedicated some thirty meetings to calling on Russia to stop escalating the very same conflict, and given the human consequences that are growing daily.

Even as Russia puts forward this resolution, separatists that Russia has trained, armed and that it fights alongside are laying ruthless and deadly siege to the Ukrainian-held city of Debaltseve, approximately 30 to 40 kilometers beyond lines established by the September Minsk agreements. Throughout the day, we’ve heard conflicting reports as to whether Debaltseve has fallen. According to press reports, the so-called “road of life” leading out of Debaltseve has become a “road of death,” littered with the bodies of Ukrainian soldiers. At just the time this Council is calling for the cease-fire that was supposed to take effect Saturday night at midnight, Russia is backing an all-out assault.

We do not know how many civilians are left in Debaltseve, because Russia and the separatists it supports have refused to guarantee the safety of impartial OSCE monitors who have been trying for days to enter the area – a commitment that, in this upside-down world, Russia and the separatists made on February 12th at Minsk.

...snip...

And even with such limited information, we know with certainty that at the same time that Russia signs onto yet another agreement committing itself to de-escalation and peace, forces that Russia trains, equips, and joins on the battlefield have only escalated this fighting, grabbing more territory and killing the Ukrainian soldiers who stand in their way.

We are caught in a deadly feedback loop. International leaders engage in rigorous, exhaustive negotiations to get Russia to commit to peace – in Geneva, in Normandy, in September in Minsk, in Berlin in February, and then again in Minsk on February 12th when the implementations were signed; and now in New York. Yet Russia’s commitments have no bearing on the actions of its soldiers and the separatists they back on the ground.


sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
19. What are we doing over there?? This is an EU and Russia problem. So why are the neocons so involved
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:38 AM
Feb 2015

in Ukraine?? And these are not the only lies that have been exposed.

So, explain if you can, why any Democrat should trust John McCain and Inhove, who helped lie this country into the Iraq War??

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
22. Who says that we're doing anything?
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:56 AM
Feb 2015

There's a debate going on over whether or not we should send weapons to help them, but all that's part of the current debate here is Russia's involvement. It is "an EU and Russia problem"... but the EU is our ally and we're the "sole remaining superpower".

So why are the neocons so involved in Ukraine??

Sorry... nobody is buying that spin. The President, Secretary of State, and UN Ambassador are all Democrats. They aren't "trusting McCain and Inhofe"... McCain and Inhofe are trusting them.

Once again... stop diverting and avoiding. Own up to what you're actually saying. You're claiming that Obama is lying us into a war.

In which case, you don't belong on DU.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
27. Do not interpret my words. They are very clear and do not need whatever you have in your head
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:47 AM
Feb 2015

to enhance them in any way.

WE are being lied to. One of the liars just got caught red-handed.

If you are a supporter of Inhofe, I would say it is YOU who doesn't belong on DU.

You've been defending this right wing war monger ever since he was caught lying to the American people.

DU has never been a forum that defended the lies of the neocons who dragged this country into war.

And I haven't seen any announcement that anything has changed in that regard so far.

If you object to the truth being told then this isn't the place for you, imo.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
29. Nice attempt at spin
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:05 PM
Feb 2015

You may have a job at RT in your future.

Back to reality.

The administration (not Inhofe... not "neocons"... etc) has the intelligence needed to tell definitevely whether Russian troops are involved in the conflict. This is entirely beyond rational dispute.

They state clearly that they are. This too is beyond rational dispute.

Either Putin is lying to us or Obama is. There is no third option.

It's clear which side you're pimping... and it doesn't belong on a Democratic website. You can dodge/evade/spin all you like - but you cannot hide from that.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
33. Inhofe is on the Arms Committee. He produced fake photos to try to persuade Congress to send arms
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:26 PM
Feb 2015

Ukraine. If the Senate Arms Committee is using seven year old photos to 'prove' something to Congress, if they cannot recognize what BLOGGERS were able to do, then the President is not being served properly, and ANYONE who cares about this President would not be defending Inhofe and would be very concerned about what information he is receiving.

Clearly you would prefer that this latest ploy by Inhofe, who apparently doesn't care where his information comes from so long as it corresponds with his war mongering rhetoric, not be made public.

I otoh, as a Democrat, want this Democratic President to receive correct and reliable information from reliable and trustworthy sources.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
38. The arms committee does not control foreign policy. Nor are they the source for intelligence.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:44 PM
Feb 2015
If the Senate Arms Committee is using seven year old photos to 'prove' something to Congress, if they cannot recognize what BLOGGERS were able to do, then the President is not being served properly

Sorry... that's total BS. The president does not rely on Senate committees for inteligence data... they get it from him. They just can't use anything classified in open meetings/speeches. Inhofe's photos don't enter into the mix at all.


I otoh, as a Democrat, want this Democratic President to receive correct and reliable information from reliable and trustworthy sources.

Lol! Sorry... you can't sell that the Presiden of the United States just doesn't have real data at his fingertips and he is being lied into war.

You can't hide from this. The President does know whether what his administration is saying is true or false.

You have claimed that it's false. Therefore you're saying that Obama is knowingly lying us into war. There is no spinning that.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
39. So it's okay for the Senate Arms Committee to use fake information to persuade Congress to arm
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:47 PM
Feb 2015

the very people who GAVE them the fake information?

Okay, if that's YOUR opinion, I think most Democrats would strongly disagree with you.

I 'claimed' nothing, I presented EVIDENCE from reliable sources. If you object to the exposure of lies being told to our government, that is your problem.

You have no clue what the President knows or doesn't know. We went to WAR IN IRAQ when our elected officials voted to do so BASED ON FALSE INFORMATION. Or are you saying those Dems who believed the info, were lying when they said that?

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
42. They didn't
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:59 PM
Feb 2015

One of them used faked evidence (knowingly or unknowingly) to persuade the public because it was unclassified. The evidence used to persuade Congress is classified and comes from the Administration.

I think most Democrats would strongly disagree with you.

All (Non RT) evidence to the contrary.

You have no clue what the President knows or doesn't know.

Wrong. I held a security clearance and reviewed similar intellience back in the 80s. I know how detailed such surveilance was 30 years ago and that it has only gotten much better since then. There is no doubt that he knows with certainty whether his administration's position is true or false. He is absolutely not relying at all on some congressman's floor speeches.

We went to WAR IN IRAQ when our elected officials voted to do so BASED ON FALSE INFORMATION.

This is true... but doesn't help your position in the slightest. Two points:

1) Do you believe that Bush knew that he was lying? If so... you just lost. If not...

2) The category of intelligence was entirely different. It would be possible for intelligene operatives to misinterpret photos of shells being offloaded from trucks into bunkers and claim that they're chemical weapons... it isn't possible to show C3 and photos/videos of columns of tanks crossing the border and somehow get it wrong.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
55. 30 years ago was before neocons got cart blanch to use 'terror' to scare elected officials into
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 03:42 PM
Feb 2015

accepting, clearly without much vetting, any evidence they cooked up, which WE KNOW they did to get us into Iraq.

Nothing can be decided regarding arming these people, whose Reps provided Inhofe with the fake info, without the approval of Congress.

As for it being 'impossible to show photos/videos of tanks crossing the bordrer and 'getting it wrong', apparently not since that's exactly what just happened.

And if it had been up to Congress, those fake photos would still be 'on the record' as 'evidence' and arms would be on their way to Ukraine BASED on that evidence once Congress was asked to vote on it.

You must not have been paying attention to all the 'fake evidence' that got by the Intel communities, the press AND Congress just a decade ago.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
59. Oh! I get it now!
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 03:59 PM
Feb 2015

You're not saying that President Obama is lying us into war... he's an incompetant bumbling idiot entirely unsuited to be Commander in Chief!

Had I only realized what you were actually saying.

As for it being 'impossible to show photos/videos of tanks crossing the bordrer and 'getting it wrong', apparently not since that's exactly what just happened.

Nope... because the people who provided the photos knew whether they were legit or not. Inhofe may or may not have... but the people who decided to send them certainly did. That isn't the case with satelite intelligence animated to show tanks gathering on one side of the border and then crossing it. There's no interpretation that can be colored by predispositions to whether or not there are WMDs there.

And if it had been up to Congress, those fake photos would still be 'on the record' as 'evidence' and arms would be on their way to Ukraine BASED on that evidence once Congress was asked to vote on it.

Wrong. It's ridiculous for you to pretend that this is the first evidence that Congress has been given of Russian involvement. The administration has been saying clearly for many months what Russia has been doing. You simply can't honestly pretend that Inhofe's photos somehow impacted that assessment.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
60. You're rambling again, posting thoughts that appear to be occupying only your
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 04:10 PM
Feb 2015

mind. You have no idea what I 'think' so your wild ramblings mean zero to me.

I definitely did not even imply that this is the 'first evidence' Congress has been given But it sure puts the rest of the 'evidence' into question and I would expect Congress to now demand a review of all evidence that emanated for those same sources before getting this country involved in yet another disastrous war, or proxy war.

I don't CARE what Russia is doing. THat is not our business, but when someone is trying to involve THIS country in the affairs of other countries using OUR tax dollars to do so, not just I care, Americans in general care.

I remember the 'satelite' intel from Iraq also. Apparently you weren't around then or you would remember it also.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
43. "If the Senate Arms Committee is using seven year old photos to 'prove' something to Congress"
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:00 PM
Feb 2015

"if they cannot recognize what BLOGGERS were able to do"

They should be thrown out of office immediately and prosecuted for stupidity, but more likely corruption.

We have been trusting these people for how long?

The whole house of cards needs to come down with this revelation...

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
53. I agree, it's clear from this that Inhofe didn't even do the minimum to determine if something he
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 03:29 PM
Feb 2015

was about to use to get weapons for the very people who gave him the fake information. Reminds of our Iraq 'contacts' who also presented fake 'evidence' which was then used to 'prove' that Iraq had WMDs.

And we actually have people here defending this clear effort to deceive Congress. I have little doubt that Inhofe did not care whether the info was fake or not. And if he had not been caught, he would have continued to use it regardless.

It's not like we haven't seen this before.

And yes, they should be thrown out of office.

Right now, Congress should be investigating whether all the other 'evidence' being presented from all the 'hot spots' where neocons have an 'interest' is fake or not.

The standards to get this country into wars, are so low it simply makes one speechless.

There are no consequences for the lies and the creation of phony 'evidence' so they just keep on doing it.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
30. I think he/she should just make a list of 'non-acceptable' posters who
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:07 PM
Feb 2015

they don't want to speak out and sent it to the ATA forum. Don't you? That seems like it might accomplish more than just stalking you and others around telling you to leave the site. Also, a list of the sites/articles/authors/journalists that don't agree with their positions. Get all this straightened out.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
31. Yes, I wonder who gave him/her that authority to tell DUers they do not belong here?
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:19 PM
Feb 2015

And afaik, CSpan is still an acceptable site on DU, although it's hard to tell anymore. With all the 'concern' lately about our 'reading material', maybe we should ask permission before reading sites like Cspan?

I don't understand the frantic effort to defend someone like Inhofe?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
32. I don't know how they'd get that authority either.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:22 PM
Feb 2015

Maybe they can tell you?

Probably just busy for a bit ......... hopefully they'll explain their superiority and management orders when they get back.

And defending lies and liars isn't something I'll ever understand, so I can't answer that at all. Maybe he/she will do that also.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
46. You understand it FAR better than you here claim
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:17 PM
Feb 2015

You've been defending them for some time.

And spreading more than a little of it yourself by pretending that the conversation has ANYTHING to do with Inhofe.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
49. That was "defending lies and liars"
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:25 PM
Feb 2015

You're quite experienced at it... on virtually every RT or Putin thread.

Why do you have the authority to tell Sabrina to leave DU?

Where did I ever claim that I had such authority? I merely stated my opinion.

What's so odd is how frantically you two flee from the implications of your statements... while simultaneously trying to spin that they shouldn't be a measure that other DUers use to judge you.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
57. What are these 'implications' you keep talking about? I provide FACTS, you appear not to like those
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 03:55 PM
Feb 2015

facts. Why? Inhofe LIED and he got CAUGHT. That is the subject of this OP and there is no question that he rushed to Congress with fake photos, asking to arm the very people whose Reps provided him with that fake info.

Point out where any of what is in the OP is incorrect, THAT we can discuss. I don't respond to stuff people make up in their own heads.

And your opinion as to who should or should not be on DU is of so little consequence I'm not sure why you bothered to offer it.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
63. Why don't you stick to issues, rather than constantly attacking other DUers here?
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:43 PM
Feb 2015

My response and that of most people here, to people who claim they are mind readers, personally attack others when they don't like the facts that are being posted, is that they are afraid to address the facts because the KNOW they are facts. And you can't argue with facts, so the only left to do is to personally attack others.

You have not pointed what in the OP is incorrect. People notice these things. And that tells me my theory is correct.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
64. Why don't you stick to issues, rather than constantly attacking other DUers here?
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:43 PM
Feb 2015

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My response and that of most people here, to people who claim they are mind readers, personally attack others when they don't like the facts that are being posted, is that they are afraid to address the facts because the KNOW they are facts. And you can't argue with facts, so the only thing left to do is to personally attack others.

You have not pointed what in the OP is incorrect. People notice these things. And that tells me my theory is correct.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
37. There are a few that trot out the TOS
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:43 PM
Feb 2015

at every opportunity. As well as advise other posters that this is a Democratic site and that they should consider posting elsewhere. As if admin gives two shits.

Too funny.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
61. I know, Puglover, as if any of us gives 'two shits' about their opinions either!
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 04:15 PM
Feb 2015

It is funny that random strangers think their opinions are so important they have to let us all know what they are thinking. I have opinions also, but doubt they are of any consequence to anyone but me!

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
35. DU has never been a forum that defended the lies of the neocons who dragged this country into war.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:37 PM
Feb 2015

+1000000

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
36. I know, which is why it is so strange to see anyone wanting to suppress the exposure of the lies
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:42 PM
Feb 2015

they tell.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
45. we know Inhofe lied,Obama believes lies,therefore you are not a democrat if you don't believe lies
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:08 PM
Feb 2015

so 'Democrats' on democraticunderground want us thrown off the site

Who ARE these people?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
62. And yet, the very same people will excuse the votes for Bush's wars by some Democrats who
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 04:18 PM
Feb 2015

they tell us, only did so because 'they were lied to'! So lies are told when it suits them, and important decisions are made, based on those lies, until it doesn't suit them.

It's so inconsistent that you have to wonder if THEY realize how inconsistent they are.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
48. +5 Billion
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:24 PM
Feb 2015

Which Americans will benefit from the billions already spent and the billions yet to be spent on Ukraine? How many bridges could $5-10+ Billion repair? How many water desalination plants could that buy for drought stricken regions in CA and TX?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
56. Exactly! But sssshhhhh! You see how resistant some people are to the TRUTH. So I wouldn't
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 03:45 PM
Feb 2015

bet on anyone being able to stop them considering the always have their enablers. However, it is a harder struggle for the war mongers this time, since the exposure of the lies the told to get us into the last disastrous wars that are still ongoing in one form or another.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
40. Democrats should be very angry! Inhofe should be angry 'who would lie to me!' Obama should be angry
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:54 PM
Feb 2015

If there is a real problem going on, then everyone should be angry that someone is making shit up causing them all to lose credibility.

But no one is angry at the fake evidence, Inhofe is just angry he was caught.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
13. Just when you thought he couldn't get any nuttier...
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 06:33 PM
Feb 2015

He always manages to top himself with something even more batshit crazy.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
16. Disgusting American war propaganda
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 10:08 PM
Feb 2015

And Hillary would follow right along with it. LIES. LIES. and MORE LIES by the US government.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
17. Just like Iraq! Same 'players', same lies. Only difference this time, some on the 'left' are
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:25 AM
Feb 2015

choosing to be blind to the role of the neocons in all of this.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
20. Heck, what's so important about starting a war?
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:43 AM
Feb 2015

It's not like Inhofe or anyone in his social circle is going to be at risk. Going to war used to be a serious undertaking (npi); now it's just another way to win the morning. Perhaps Inhofe should take a little stroll through Walter Reed Hospital and ask any of the survivors of his party's last couple of invasions how important it is to be right about launching a war? Or is it now part of the Republican platform to send our military personnel off to die needlessly?

As fond as Inhofe is of denouncing the evidence of global climate change as a hoax, I wonder why he would get hoaxed so easily and thoroughly by some seven year old photos? Maybe he's not as smart as he thinks he is.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
21. Inhofe would not be interested in Walter Reed.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:56 AM
Feb 2015

And neither would any of those who are pushing for War with Russia, Iran, Isis. To them, the troops are fodder.

And sadly, it isn't just Inhofe. And it never was just the 'Right'. See the votes, Hillary eg, for Bush's Iraq War.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
23. I'm seeing a lot of blaming others ...
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:41 AM
Feb 2015

... but no actual apology. Quite frankly, I doubt that Sen. Inhofe knows how to apologize, even if he should be inclined to.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
58. He obviously didn't care whether the info was fake of not. He just 'ran with it'. Probably had word
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 03:58 PM
Feb 2015

that they were going to provide him with a 'slam dunk' and just accepted it as part of his job to get another war started, if they can.

Then he was caught, so it's hard to offer a sincere apology when you, either messed up so badly, or don't care.

malaise

(268,885 posts)
25. The West never learns
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:56 AM
Feb 2015

Loot, kill and plunder - invent new lies along the way and never forget to accuse others of doing what you have perfected.

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