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Rivera suggested to host Josh Zepps it is nearly impossible to find "a Puerto Rican from the South Bronx or a black kid from Harlem" who has "been a success in life walking around with his pants around his ass and with, you know, visible tattoos."
He then took a moment to name-check Def Jam founder Russell Simmons, who he described as "a dear friend of mine."
But, he said, "At some point, those guys have to cop to the fact that by encouraging this distinctive culture that is removed from the mainstream, they have encouraged people to be so different from the mainstream that they can't participate other than, you know, the racks in the garment center and those entry-level jobs."
TPM
Our swelling prison population should have listened to Pearl Jam instead of Wu Tang.
Throd
(7,208 posts)We also sported tattoos.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)but that wasn't rap music.
Throd
(7,208 posts)She would just smile and say "Well, they're certainly...energetic"
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el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I guess on the one hand he's saying that if a black person or a Puerto Rican isn't twice as pure as any white candidate, he'll be passed over. But I know plenty of white kids who have tattoos and listen to rap music and don't have any trouble getting jobs.
What he's actually referencing is that white people aren't comfortable with seeing black men as powerful in their own right. If they play by our rules and kowtow to our preferences we'll let them in the club, provisionally (but they still have to expect regular tests of loyalty). Rap Music makes white people uncomfortable because it hints at world in which we don't run everything.
Bryant
Mosby
(16,315 posts)It's getting more and more common, apparel companies are even making "sleeves" that are used to cover up tattoos on people's arms.
Retailers also take a hard line with sagging.
Might not be right but it's reality.
The corporate marketing that has (and continues to) infantilize consumers needs to be finally resisted.
It is hard to take seriously a 40 year old man, for instance, who dresses like a toddler complete with magic marker drawings on themselves.
This is what happened to hip-hop and most pop music in the past couple of decades -- any originality has been almost completely subsumed by corporate marketing. Sadly, a lot of younger folks have marched right along with the marketing.
So, hip-hop as bad as racism -- ridiculous; however, it hasn't helped the culture, that's for sure.
See Benjamin Barber's book: Consumed: How Markets Corrupt Children, Infantilize Adults, and Swallow Citizens Whole
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Well made and often brilliant music doesn't help our culture?
Not sure I can go along with that.
Bryant
earthside
(6,960 posts)But it makes billions of dollars for mega-entertainment corporations.
Another book that address the subject of 'quality' ... Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.
It is one of my pet peeves that too often liberals and progressives go all mushy about real bad stuff and justify it by professing a rejection of 'censorship'. But, of course, no one on the left really wants to censor anybody -- but that does not mean that we cannot have a sense of quality, of standards, of civility, of seriousness, etc.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)The majority of hip-hop is really fucking good. A small minority of it sucks. Just with any genre. If you're listening to what's on the radio, you're listening to a MINORITY of music.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)And that applies to the art that white people create as well.
Bryant
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And it applies to EVERYTHING.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)People have been getting tattoos for thousands of years. Puritanicals be damned.
Hip-hop hasn't hurt any culture, either. Try LISTENING to the music, and you might change your mind. I can guarantee you, exposing yourself to something is much more informative than reading a book about it. Especially when you're getting your info on hip hop culture from an old white man.
Mosby
(16,315 posts)A million? Two million?
When did they become so popular and why?
When did living the "thug life" become popular and why?
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Mosby
(16,315 posts)But rap/hip hop is highly misogynistic, glorifies violence, crime and guns and if all that wasn't enough the "artists" tend to be homophobics.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)The majority does not.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)- I am in my mid 50s now - the only people I ever, and I mean EVER saw with a tattoo or two were bikers, people who had served serious prison time and really hard-assed military veterans. And it was a tattoo or two on the upper arm, not something ordinarily visible. Too bad things didn't stay that way and get the hell off of my lawn. Most tattoos these days are uglier than sin. What the fuck are people (not) thinking?
My generation could at least deny that we ever wore the ugly clothes and hair styles that were the cat's ass in our misspent youth and nobody can prove us wrong, it wasn't immortalized.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Just three so far, and they're pretty (to me, anyway). Most women I hang around with and all of my sisters have them as well as most of my male friends - but I think the women here have more. It's going to get funny for the staff when we all hit the nursing homes.
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Tats aside, Geraldo's a jack-ass.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)How unique and expressive can it be when everyone has three of them?
polly7
(20,582 posts)done by an artist who I went to high school with and who's booked months ahead for his work. What's banal for you is very unique to me - you have no idea 'why' anyone gets them, and why would you care?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)There is nothing unique or expressive any longer. They are as common as earrings.
polly7
(20,582 posts)That's all that matters.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)That makes no sense. Expression is the outward display to convey the value or significance of something. If the only person that can grasp the significance is the owner, then they are by definition, NOT expressive, but in fact, self-indulgent.
polly7
(20,582 posts)But others who see them really, really like them and easily see their significance, so I guess they're a just a tiny bit expressive, eh? Not that I got them for anyone but myself to like or not like, but it's nice to talk about them with people that know what they represent.
I guess you should just shield your eyes when you see one if they bother you that much.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And they wear "baggy pants" and have "visible tattoos".
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)The fuller quote was:
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"Hip-hop has done more damage to black and brown people than racism in the last 10 years," Rivera began. The Fox News contributor then challenged anyone to find "a youngster -- a Puerto Rican from the South Bronx or a black kid from Harlem who has succeeded in life other than being the one-tenth of one-tenth of one percent that make it in the music business -- that's been a success in life walking around with his pants around his ass and with visible tattoos..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/17/geraldo-rivera-hip-hop-racism_n_6701628.html
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)clean cut white kids from ... well ... anywhere, making it on wall street?
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)While I'm in neither demographic mentioned and abhor rap and hip hop probably as much as GR does, albeit for different reasons, it's worth noting that I am ethnically of Hispanic descent, have several visible tattoos, and am solidly middle/upper middle class.
Initech
(100,076 posts)About country music and Jeff Foxworthy redneck jokes advancing southern causes.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)he only reason this moran has even a smidgen of name recognition is because of one of TV's most epic fails.
lame54
(35,290 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)when Trayvon was shot down while walking to his father's condo.
Where's the fucking FCC when you could really use them?
Paladin
(28,262 posts)Geraldo, getting down with some hep-cat talk. What a pathetic jerkoff that guy is.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)listening to Iggy Azalea.
I'm totally kidding; it's just when I saw your post about it I couldn't stop laughing as after awhile you develop a certain perception of DU members, and that wasn't my perception of you.
I have a 13 and 8 year old, and they usually tell me to turn the music down in the car...except my daughter loves Taylor Swift, my son for reasons other than her music I'm sure.
Seems like Geraldo has changed his tune:
Although public perceptions in the show's first season were leading to this dubious title, the episode that solidified Geraldo as "Trash TV" was the November 3, 1988, episode involving white supremacists, anti-racist skinheads, black activists, and Jewish activists. A confrontation between John Metzger (the son of Tom Metzger) and Roy Innis (in which Metzger goaded Innis by referring to him as "Uncle Tom" led to Innis walking over to Metzger and forcefully grabbing him by the neck, and subsequently a full-scale brawl with chairs hurled and punches thrown. Audience members, several stage hands and Rivera himself got involved, throwing a few punches at a white supremacist. In the process, Rivera was struck in the face by a chair and wound up with a broken nose. He did not press charges, saying he did not wish to be "tied up with the roaches", and also claiming "if there ever was a case of deserved violence, this was it".
In August 1992, Rivera would scuffle with KKK members again at a Klan rally in Janesville, Wisconsin. Rivera suffered cuts and a bite to one of his thumbs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldo_(TV_series)
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)She's white.
The bright side of car rides with my daughter - when she's listening to her music, they're short rides. Once the ride goes over 15 minutes or so she's fast asleep and I get to change the channel.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)this just in: Geraldo on same wavelength as terrifying serial rapist!
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)glasshouses
(484 posts)madville
(7,410 posts)It can't be good for young males or females to idolize performers glamorizing "ho's and bitches" or making light of smacking them around and knocking them up.
Or drug use or shooting rivals and glamorizing firearms.
It all plays a role in young peoples' development, it's naive to think it doesn't.
glasshouses
(484 posts)On the other hand there are rappers and hip hop artists who sing positive songs
but they aren't the real popular ones
PaddyIrishman
(110 posts)"I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die"
"I took a shot of cocaine and shot my woman down"
Guns check
Shooting Rivals check
Drug use check
Violence against women check
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I am sick of rappers talking about "bitches and hoes". They are materialistic (into bling), expensive cars, using and demeaning women and generally being as shallow, manipulative and materialistic as the rich white guys they are emulating. Emulating the worst of white man examples.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)As a Puerto Rican, you should be aware of how minorities are demonized. I say thias as a Puerto Rican, who because iIam lighter skinned than the normal mental image of hispanics is, heard many anglos talk about hispanics, than back up when they realized they were talking to one. You are a disgrace to Boricuas everywhere!
olddots
(10,237 posts)Geraldo is to journalism as Kinkaide was to art .
think
(11,641 posts)but what's new....
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Initech
(100,076 posts)ck4829
(35,077 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:09 AM - Edit history (1)
Songs about what it's like living in poverty, violence, and racism don't create an environment of violence.
The effects of poverty, violence, and racism create an environment of violence.
tavernier
(12,389 posts)One graduated top of class and earns six figures. Another can name her university. Third gs is an honors student in high school. Not one is as dumb as Geraldo, thank goodness.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...hopelessly ignorant - obviously doesn't know fuck about hip-hop
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)might acquaint himself with that guy called Jay Z (from Harlem) and Pitbull (from Miami).
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Just sayin'...
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Please note: My previous reply was deleted because it was a jumbled mess ... not because it was contrary.)
treestar
(82,383 posts)Oh I see. None but your stupid stereotypes and prejudices.
pansypoo53219
(20,977 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Sure it can be a problem when kids internalize some of the lyrics musicians are putting forward. But the difference is white kids aren't treated like thugs and labelled thus for the rest of their lives for acting like adolescents during adolescence.
Chiyo-chichi
(3,580 posts)...with terrible results.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)unlike white folk music.
*turns on the soothing sounds of Five Finger Death Punch's "Burn Motherfucker Burn".
Seriously though, Geraldo can go fuck himself.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)their neighborhood?
What about the time Slick Rick pulled me over and held me for almost an hour for no reason?
How about the illegal search for walking with a backpack that Curtis Blow perpetrated on me?
And I know it was that fucking Spinderella that passed me over for a promotion I was so perfect for that I was already doing the job before it was posted!
What a fuckwit!
Orsino
(37,428 posts)That was easy.