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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:09 PM Feb 2015

Geraldo: 'Hip-Hop Has Done More Damage' To Minorities Than Racism

Fox News senior correspondent Geraldo Rivera offered his unsolicited opinion about hip-hop during an interview on Tuesday with HuffPost Live, saying that the music "has done more damage to black and brown people than racism in the last 10 years."

Rivera suggested to host Josh Zepps it is nearly impossible to find "a Puerto Rican from the South Bronx or a black kid from Harlem" who has "been a success in life walking around with his pants around his ass and with, you know, visible tattoos."

He then took a moment to name-check Def Jam founder Russell Simmons, who he described as "a dear friend of mine."

But, he said, "At some point, those guys have to cop to the fact that by encouraging this distinctive culture that is removed from the mainstream, they have encouraged people to be so different from the mainstream that they can't participate other than, you know, the racks in the garment center and those entry-level jobs."

TPM


Our swelling prison population should have listened to Pearl Jam instead of Wu Tang.
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Geraldo: 'Hip-Hop Has Done More Damage' To Minorities Than Racism (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 OP
Ma and my friends all listened to punk and metal and we turned out just fine. Throd Feb 2015 #1
You had a cool mom Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #2
I made that poor woman listen to the Dead Kennedys, Venom, Black Flag, Negazione... Throd Feb 2015 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #38
Boy that's nonsensical el_bryanto Feb 2015 #3
a lot of retailers make employees cover up tats Mosby Feb 2015 #5
Good. earthside Feb 2015 #8
It hasn't helped our culture? el_bryanto Feb 2015 #11
90 percent of it is crap. earthside Feb 2015 #16
I reject that statement. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #18
90 percent of everything is crap. el_bryanto Feb 2015 #20
Yep. Sturgeon's Law. hifiguy Feb 2015 #33
Tattoos are expression. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #17
How many pitbulls were euthanized last year? Mosby Feb 2015 #23
When did being a crusty racist white guy become popular and why? n/t Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #59
I think geraldo is an ass Mosby Feb 2015 #63
SOME Rap/hip-hop. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2015 #64
When I was in my teens and early twenties hifiguy Feb 2015 #34
I have tattoos. polly7 Feb 2015 #40
Tattoos have become banal. Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #44
Mine represent people I've lost in my life who I grieve for every single day, polly7 Feb 2015 #45
I don't. But they have become banal. Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #48
Yes, they're all unique and expressive to the person getting them. polly7 Feb 2015 #49
They cannot be "expressive" only to the individual... Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #51
Fine, mine are self-indulgent. polly7 Feb 2015 #52
Um, Geraldo, the rappers are multimillionaires. JaneyVee Feb 2015 #6
Geraldo's just doing his part to help nonwhite kids Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #7
Actually, he addressed that. thesquanderer Feb 2015 #36
I wonder what the percentage is for ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #54
Well that's BS on many levels whatthehey Feb 2015 #9
You can make the same argument... Initech Feb 2015 #10
Al Capone's Vault tularetom Feb 2015 #12
I love that Hip-Hop song where they take away their voting rights lame54 Feb 2015 #13
The racist fuck is either lying or delusional or both. Same guy mouthed off about hoodies merrily Feb 2015 #14
"those guys have to cop to the fact" Paladin Feb 2015 #15
You better warn your daughter when you're chauffering her around RiffRandell Feb 2015 #19
I'm sure Geraldo would be okay with Iggy Capt. Obvious Feb 2015 #21
sounds like the Pound Cake Speech: MisterP Feb 2015 #22
Racist asshole. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #24
Yeah! I hear Darren Wilson is a huge Eminem fan. KamaAina Feb 2015 #25
Some songs can be degrading towards women glasshouses Feb 2015 #26
That's what I was thinking madville Feb 2015 #30
You bet it does glasshouses Feb 2015 #32
Just like Johnny Cash PaddyIrishman Feb 2015 #58
Yep. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2015 #35
Gah! Where's my clue-by-four?! sakabatou Feb 2015 #27
geraldo, you pendejo DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #28
and now heres Geraldo with his slow news day moment olddots Feb 2015 #29
Geraldo is talking out of his ass think Feb 2015 #31
I'm glad he didn't win Celebrity Apprentice this year Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #42
Is this why he still has a job..so he can contribute to racism? Looks that way to me. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2015 #37
Is somebody holding a contest today for most offensive and racist remark? n/t winter is coming Feb 2015 #39
omg omg Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #41
And Geraldo has done more damage to handlebar moustaches than Snidley Whiplash. Initech Feb 2015 #43
As usual, blame the expression, not the root cause ck4829 Feb 2015 #46
Not fan of hip-hop but my grands like it. tavernier Feb 2015 #47
know-nothing pos bigtree Feb 2015 #50
Perhaps Geraldo "Empty Vault" Rivera ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #53
Jay Z's from Brooklyn alcibiades_mystery Feb 2015 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #67
True ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #68
Proof Geraldo? treestar Feb 2015 #55
how convenient. pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #56
Fox 'News' has done more damage than any type of music. lovemydog Feb 2015 #57
White kids listen to the same shit RedCappedBandit Feb 2015 #60
Funny, he was OK with trying his hand at Hip-Hop on Celebrity Apprentice recently... Chiyo-chichi Feb 2015 #61
Yeah, that hippity hop music is a really bad influence! Bradical79 Feb 2015 #62
Yup, yup! I never told you about the time The Sugar Hill Gang beat the shit out of me for being in TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #65
Therefore it hasn't. Orsino Feb 2015 #69

Throd

(7,208 posts)
4. I made that poor woman listen to the Dead Kennedys, Venom, Black Flag, Negazione...
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:18 PM
Feb 2015

She would just smile and say "Well, they're certainly...energetic"

Response to Throd (Reply #1)

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
3. Boy that's nonsensical
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:14 PM
Feb 2015

I guess on the one hand he's saying that if a black person or a Puerto Rican isn't twice as pure as any white candidate, he'll be passed over. But I know plenty of white kids who have tattoos and listen to rap music and don't have any trouble getting jobs.

What he's actually referencing is that white people aren't comfortable with seeing black men as powerful in their own right. If they play by our rules and kowtow to our preferences we'll let them in the club, provisionally (but they still have to expect regular tests of loyalty). Rap Music makes white people uncomfortable because it hints at world in which we don't run everything.

Bryant

Mosby

(16,315 posts)
5. a lot of retailers make employees cover up tats
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:22 PM
Feb 2015

It's getting more and more common, apparel companies are even making "sleeves" that are used to cover up tattoos on people's arms.

Retailers also take a hard line with sagging.

Might not be right but it's reality.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
8. Good.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:33 PM
Feb 2015

The corporate marketing that has (and continues to) infantilize consumers needs to be finally resisted.

It is hard to take seriously a 40 year old man, for instance, who dresses like a toddler complete with magic marker drawings on themselves.

This is what happened to hip-hop and most pop music in the past couple of decades -- any originality has been almost completely subsumed by corporate marketing. Sadly, a lot of younger folks have marched right along with the marketing.

So, hip-hop as bad as racism -- ridiculous; however, it hasn't helped the culture, that's for sure.

See Benjamin Barber's book: Consumed: How Markets Corrupt Children, Infantilize Adults, and Swallow Citizens Whole

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
11. It hasn't helped our culture?
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:41 PM
Feb 2015

Well made and often brilliant music doesn't help our culture?

Not sure I can go along with that.

Bryant

earthside

(6,960 posts)
16. 90 percent of it is crap.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:01 PM
Feb 2015

But it makes billions of dollars for mega-entertainment corporations.

Another book that address the subject of 'quality' ... Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

It is one of my pet peeves that too often liberals and progressives go all mushy about real bad stuff and justify it by professing a rejection of 'censorship'. But, of course, no one on the left really wants to censor anybody -- but that does not mean that we cannot have a sense of quality, of standards, of civility, of seriousness, etc.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
18. I reject that statement.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:09 PM
Feb 2015

The majority of hip-hop is really fucking good. A small minority of it sucks. Just with any genre. If you're listening to what's on the radio, you're listening to a MINORITY of music.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
20. 90 percent of everything is crap.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:16 PM
Feb 2015

And that applies to the art that white people create as well.

Bryant

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
17. Tattoos are expression.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:07 PM
Feb 2015

People have been getting tattoos for thousands of years. Puritanicals be damned.
Hip-hop hasn't hurt any culture, either. Try LISTENING to the music, and you might change your mind. I can guarantee you, exposing yourself to something is much more informative than reading a book about it. Especially when you're getting your info on hip hop culture from an old white man.

Mosby

(16,315 posts)
23. How many pitbulls were euthanized last year?
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 05:52 PM
Feb 2015

A million? Two million?

When did they become so popular and why?

When did living the "thug life" become popular and why?



Mosby

(16,315 posts)
63. I think geraldo is an ass
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:51 AM
Feb 2015

But rap/hip hop is highly misogynistic, glorifies violence, crime and guns and if all that wasn't enough the "artists" tend to be homophobics.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
34. When I was in my teens and early twenties
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:43 PM
Feb 2015

- I am in my mid 50s now - the only people I ever, and I mean EVER saw with a tattoo or two were bikers, people who had served serious prison time and really hard-assed military veterans. And it was a tattoo or two on the upper arm, not something ordinarily visible. Too bad things didn't stay that way and get the hell off of my lawn. Most tattoos these days are uglier than sin. What the fuck are people (not) thinking?

My generation could at least deny that we ever wore the ugly clothes and hair styles that were the cat's ass in our misspent youth and nobody can prove us wrong, it wasn't immortalized.


polly7

(20,582 posts)
40. I have tattoos.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 09:06 PM
Feb 2015

Just three so far, and they're pretty (to me, anyway). Most women I hang around with and all of my sisters have them as well as most of my male friends - but I think the women here have more. It's going to get funny for the staff when we all hit the nursing homes.

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Tats aside, Geraldo's a jack-ass.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
45. Mine represent people I've lost in my life who I grieve for every single day,
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:33 PM
Feb 2015

done by an artist who I went to high school with and who's booked months ahead for his work. What's banal for you is very unique to me - you have no idea 'why' anyone gets them, and why would you care?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
48. I don't. But they have become banal.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:56 PM
Feb 2015

There is nothing unique or expressive any longer. They are as common as earrings.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
51. They cannot be "expressive" only to the individual...
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:13 PM
Feb 2015

That makes no sense. Expression is the outward display to convey the value or significance of something. If the only person that can grasp the significance is the owner, then they are by definition, NOT expressive, but in fact, self-indulgent.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
52. Fine, mine are self-indulgent.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:16 PM
Feb 2015

But others who see them really, really like them and easily see their significance, so I guess they're a just a tiny bit expressive, eh? Not that I got them for anyone but myself to like or not like, but it's nice to talk about them with people that know what they represent.

I guess you should just shield your eyes when you see one if they bother you that much.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
6. Um, Geraldo, the rappers are multimillionaires.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:26 PM
Feb 2015

And they wear "baggy pants" and have "visible tattoos".

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
36. Actually, he addressed that.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 08:29 PM
Feb 2015

The fuller quote was:

---

"Hip-hop has done more damage to black and brown people than racism in the last 10 years," Rivera began. The Fox News contributor then challenged anyone to find "a youngster -- a Puerto Rican from the South Bronx or a black kid from Harlem who has succeeded in life other than being the one-tenth of one-tenth of one percent that make it in the music business -- that's been a success in life walking around with his pants around his ass and with visible tattoos..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/17/geraldo-rivera-hip-hop-racism_n_6701628.html

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
54. I wonder what the percentage is for ...
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:46 PM
Feb 2015

clean cut white kids from ... well ... anywhere, making it on wall street?

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
9. Well that's BS on many levels
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:34 PM
Feb 2015

While I'm in neither demographic mentioned and abhor rap and hip hop probably as much as GR does, albeit for different reasons, it's worth noting that I am ethnically of Hispanic descent, have several visible tattoos, and am solidly middle/upper middle class.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
10. You can make the same argument...
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:35 PM
Feb 2015

About country music and Jeff Foxworthy redneck jokes advancing southern causes.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
12. Al Capone's Vault
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:44 PM
Feb 2015

he only reason this moran has even a smidgen of name recognition is because of one of TV's most epic fails.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
14. The racist fuck is either lying or delusional or both. Same guy mouthed off about hoodies
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:46 PM
Feb 2015

when Trayvon was shot down while walking to his father's condo.

Where's the fucking FCC when you could really use them?

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
15. "those guys have to cop to the fact"
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 12:58 PM
Feb 2015

Geraldo, getting down with some hep-cat talk. What a pathetic jerkoff that guy is.

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
19. You better warn your daughter when you're chauffering her around
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:10 PM
Feb 2015

listening to Iggy Azalea.

I'm totally kidding; it's just when I saw your post about it I couldn't stop laughing as after awhile you develop a certain perception of DU members, and that wasn't my perception of you.

I have a 13 and 8 year old, and they usually tell me to turn the music down in the car...except my daughter loves Taylor Swift, my son for reasons other than her music I'm sure.

Seems like Geraldo has changed his tune:

The title Geraldo was used on the first 9 seasons. It led to Newsweek's characterization as "Trash TV".
Although public perceptions in the show's first season were leading to this dubious title, the episode that solidified Geraldo as "Trash TV" was the November 3, 1988, episode involving white supremacists, anti-racist skinheads, black activists, and Jewish activists. A confrontation between John Metzger (the son of Tom Metzger) and Roy Innis (in which Metzger goaded Innis by referring to him as "Uncle Tom&quot led to Innis walking over to Metzger and forcefully grabbing him by the neck, and subsequently a full-scale brawl with chairs hurled and punches thrown. Audience members, several stage hands and Rivera himself got involved, throwing a few punches at a white supremacist. In the process, Rivera was struck in the face by a chair and wound up with a broken nose. He did not press charges, saying he did not wish to be "tied up with the roaches", and also claiming "if there ever was a case of deserved violence, this was it".

In August 1992, Rivera would scuffle with KKK members again at a Klan rally in Janesville, Wisconsin. Rivera suffered cuts and a bite to one of his thumbs.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraldo_(TV_series)

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
21. I'm sure Geraldo would be okay with Iggy
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 01:44 PM
Feb 2015

She's white.

The bright side of car rides with my daughter - when she's listening to her music, they're short rides. Once the ride goes over 15 minutes or so she's fast asleep and I get to change the channel.

madville

(7,410 posts)
30. That's what I was thinking
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:28 PM
Feb 2015

It can't be good for young males or females to idolize performers glamorizing "ho's and bitches" or making light of smacking them around and knocking them up.

Or drug use or shooting rivals and glamorizing firearms.

It all plays a role in young peoples' development, it's naive to think it doesn't.

 

glasshouses

(484 posts)
32. You bet it does
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:36 PM
Feb 2015

On the other hand there are rappers and hip hop artists who sing positive songs
but they aren't the real popular ones

PaddyIrishman

(110 posts)
58. Just like Johnny Cash
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 08:25 AM
Feb 2015

"I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die"

"I took a shot of cocaine and shot my woman down"

Guns check
Shooting Rivals check
Drug use check
Violence against women check





 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
35. Yep.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 08:00 PM
Feb 2015

I am sick of rappers talking about "bitches and hoes". They are materialistic (into bling), expensive cars, using and demeaning women and generally being as shallow, manipulative and materialistic as the rich white guys they are emulating. Emulating the worst of white man examples.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
28. geraldo, you pendejo
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:23 PM
Feb 2015

As a Puerto Rican, you should be aware of how minorities are demonized. I say thias as a Puerto Rican, who because iIam lighter skinned than the normal mental image of hispanics is, heard many anglos talk about hispanics, than back up when they realized they were talking to one. You are a disgrace to Boricuas everywhere!

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
29. and now heres Geraldo with his slow news day moment
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:28 PM
Feb 2015

Geraldo is to journalism as Kinkaide was to art .

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
46. As usual, blame the expression, not the root cause
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:40 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:09 AM - Edit history (1)

Songs about what it's like living in poverty, violence, and racism don't create an environment of violence.

The effects of poverty, violence, and racism create an environment of violence.

tavernier

(12,389 posts)
47. Not fan of hip-hop but my grands like it.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 10:50 PM
Feb 2015

One graduated top of class and earns six figures. Another can name her university. Third gs is an honors student in high school. Not one is as dumb as Geraldo, thank goodness.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
53. Perhaps Geraldo "Empty Vault" Rivera ...
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 11:41 PM
Feb 2015

might acquaint himself with that guy called Jay Z (from Harlem) and Pitbull (from Miami).

Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #66)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
68. True ...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 02:16 PM
Feb 2015

Please note: My previous reply was deleted because it was a jumbled mess ... not because it was contrary.)

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
60. White kids listen to the same shit
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:08 AM
Feb 2015

Sure it can be a problem when kids internalize some of the lyrics musicians are putting forward. But the difference is white kids aren't treated like thugs and labelled thus for the rest of their lives for acting like adolescents during adolescence.

Chiyo-chichi

(3,580 posts)
61. Funny, he was OK with trying his hand at Hip-Hop on Celebrity Apprentice recently...
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:17 AM
Feb 2015

...with terrible results.



 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
62. Yeah, that hippity hop music is a really bad influence!
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 11:30 AM
Feb 2015

unlike white folk music.

*turns on the soothing sounds of Five Finger Death Punch's "Burn Motherfucker Burn".

Seriously though, Geraldo can go fuck himself.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
65. Yup, yup! I never told you about the time The Sugar Hill Gang beat the shit out of me for being in
Thu Feb 19, 2015, 12:18 PM
Feb 2015

their neighborhood?

What about the time Slick Rick pulled me over and held me for almost an hour for no reason?

How about the illegal search for walking with a backpack that Curtis Blow perpetrated on me?

And I know it was that fucking Spinderella that passed me over for a promotion I was so perfect for that I was already doing the job before it was posted!

What a fuckwit!

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