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(20,277 posts)All things that must be done.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)DLnyc
(2,479 posts)Autumn
(45,096 posts)This post got me a little teary. Can you imagine?
dirtydickcheney
(242 posts)aspirant
(3,533 posts)"New Direction"
No more swerving right use the LEFT LANE for Democracy
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Are we all going to get paid the same? Are all our bank accounts and net assets going to be the same?
Did anyone among the Sanders group think about what words mean.
Sigh.
But yes, I am for reducing wealth inequality and the other policies.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)read that entire statement about income and wealth inequality.
Sigh.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Or is that just one of those things people say but don't really mean.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)I don't think too many people want to "end" it. And it's an especially unfortunate misstatement coming from someone who is going to be "accused" of being a socialist.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It means taking care of the poor, ending homelessness to the extent possible and insuring that we have general economic security for all.
It does not mean that everyone gets the same paycheck. It does not destroy merit pay or the incentives to work. It means that everyone can afford the education that is right for them, the health care that is right for them, a roof over their head. Equality is not all the same, but all having access to the basic necessities in life.
We have a terrific problem with homelessness. We have a terrific problem with student debt. We have a problem with inadequate housing for many families. Economic inequality is the root of all these problems.
We aren't going to all own the same amount of property. But in a country in which the protection of ownership of private property is the basis of much of our law and social structure, we are headed for trouble, that is a conflict between the reality of most citizens and the values of the legal system, when only very few people can own property of any significance. This is what economic inequality is about. The severe economic inequality that already exists and is growing in our country is leading to a critical fissure between the reality of the lives of the majority of the people and the property-based laws that we have.
What interest does a person who earns minimum wage and can't pay his bills -- cannot realistically pay his bills -- have in enforcing or maintaining laws that require him to pay his bills? This is the kind of quandary and social fissure that our current gross inequality causes.
Very wealthy people don't even think about this. If you own two or three houses, and your tenants pay rent, you figure that the tenants probably won't take care of the houses as well as you would if you as the owner lived in them. We take care of things when we feel we have an ownership interest in them. The crash of 2008 and that in 1929 were horrific because they resulted in large numbers of Americans losing not just their property interests but because they went into bankruptcy, the ability to buy or obtain a mortgage on property for quite a number of years.
The tendency in recent years especially since 2008 has been to consolidate ownership of property in the hands of the relatively few. That is not going to work well in a society based on responsible ownership of property. That is the problem that needs to be dealt with. So far, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are the only potential candidates who seem to recognize this fundamental issue in our society.
How do we remain a society that is responsible for our physical and economic environment if we become a society in which the majority of people have little or no ownership interest in that environment and thus don't care that much about it? What happens in a nation in which increasing numbers of people are left with nothing to do but beg?
Republicans blame the people they view as the beggars. But they miss the core of the problem. A small number of people will beg because that is what they want to do. Most people want to work. They do not want to beg. Most people want to own property. Most people want to be responsible members of society.
This is what economic equality is about. I'm sorry I am not explaining it really well, but I hope you will understand my view on this. It is a core issue for me. (Maybe because as a child I wore hand-me-downs all the time and shared a room with my older sister. I know what it is to feel that nothing belongs to you and that you cannot make decisions about your environment.) If people are to take care of things, to live peacefully and productively, they need to feel that they have incentives to behave constructively and to contribute. In a society in which material comfort is denied to large numbers of people or in which luxury is the reward of every fewer people and misery defines the lives of large numbers and increasing numbers of people, there will be no respect for order or law or justice, just cynical grabbing.
I think there is an indefinable, uncertain balance that must exist between extreme wealth and the sharing of the wealth in order to have a healthy, lawful society.
The excessive violence in our society suggests that we are out of balance. The amount of violence in our society is more like that in underdeveloped countries than in a country with the sophisticated technology we enjoy.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Reduce, perhaps, but words have meaning and that first line is laughable although the crisis and goals you describe are not.
I'm just disappointed that Bernie let this come out. I thought he'd do a better job of not handing conservatives an obvious talking point to discredit him and the left. I've had my doubts about a Sanders campaign, but lately I was beginning to believe.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I know how I understand what is meant, but perhaps he could explain himself.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Should there be 6 billionaires and 1 billion people making $100,000, 500 million making $80,000 and on and on. How is this not income inequality?
All men (and women) are created equal and any capitalist society tears this Human Right to pieces.
Do the Waltons and the Kochs DESERVE special considerations or do they demand and buy them
IMO every homeless person has an equal value of love to offer and should be compensated justly. What price do we put on love or what is the price of being nice?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Bryce Butler
(338 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)not run please continue to remind us what we need to do.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)that he's advocating for that by tucking some focus-grouped language in a footnote.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)K&R for President Sanders 2016
derby378
(30,252 posts)Right now, all I see my fellow Dems doing is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Ramses
(721 posts)I vote for actual democratic policies, and Sanders supports those.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Don't spend a dime on tee vee. Just use your friends' Facebook pages.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)agenda!
Initech
(100,079 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Run Bernie, Run!!!
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Published on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 by Common Dreams
The Pro-Worker, Pro-Growth Experiment in Greece Is Under Threat
by Bernie Sanders
While the wealthiest 85 individuals on the planet own more wealth than the bottom half of the worlds population and when the top 1% will soon own more wealth than the bottom 99% the people of Greece and the anti-austerity party, Syriza, they elected to lead them are struggling to rebuild their economy so that ordinary people there can live with a shred of dignity and security.
But powerful international interests are putting the pro-growth, pro-worker experiment in progressive democracy currently underway in grave danger.
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Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)The present direction is pretty well sucking.