Death penalty for Women in USA who get illegal abortions? Just the doctors?

[randys1]

If Repubs win WH and control Senate and House or House and WH and not Senate (most likely if Dems lose WH) and Roe is overturned and

Alabama makes all abortion and birth control illegal (not picking on AL) then what say we all?

When, not if, Women have illegal abortions, should they be put to death?

The doctors?

What say you all?







Death is too much? What should their punishment be?

REMEMBER, some states will consider abortion murder

[MohRokTah]

1. .

[randys1]

2. You dont think it is possible? By allowing the con to get the WH?

You see both parties are NOT the same...but you know that, i think

[B2G]

3. Not gonna happen,

but go on.

[randys1]

4. Zero chance?

Which part, Roe being overturned?

[B2G]

6. Yes. Zero.

Not gonna happen.

[randys1]

7. Wow...Are you available for stock tips?

[B2G]

11. I am!

[HappyMe]

10. I agree.

It won't happen.

I wonder what brought this on.

[Iggo]

27. Some people don't want to vote for Clinton in the primaries.

[HappyMe]

28. Nope.

Too damn bad.

It took me a minute, but then I figured that this was a new Clintonista tactic.

[brooklynite]

17. I concur

Republicans had the opportunity in 2001-2008. They don't want to change things, just campaign on them.

[LittleBlue]

22. Yeah it will never happen

Small time Republican pols at state level are fully committed on the abortion issue.

National Republicans see it more as a tool to keep turnout among religious communities high. They definitely wouldn't want this issue settled, their voters' perpetual outrage to vanish. The issue would be turned against them with women and doctors getting hauled off to prison.

[haele]

30. Not so sure; if it were 1992, I'd agree - now, with the end-time crazies and voting rights problems?

If keeping the states gerrymandered enough for a "Republican Majority" means throwing Roe out and giving abortion rights back to the states, they'd do it as soon as they've got a comfortable percentage of disillusioned "liberals" whose refusal to vote has pretty much made them politically irrelevant in the Republican world. So long as the district is safe, it doesn't matter - hypothetically, there's not enough moderate Republicans in these districts that would consider voting for a Democrat until it's too late to find a Democrat that isn't running almost as right of Crazy-town as the Republican just to get a foothold.

The Republican party no longer has to worry about middle-class white working women. The sheer amount of hypocritical apostolic Bircher nut-jobs they've allowed to infiltrate their party - and the almost absolute corporate control of the media by loud, strident votes, means that they don't think they have to be worried about "reasonable men and women" to get elected.

Fascism requires a stressed-out majority wondering if they're going to make enough in their paycheck that month, minorities to be disenfranchised and demonized, access to actual information or education to be difficult to get, the media to be pretty much in lock-step and a variety of complacent religious institutions to set themselves up as the "last refuge" for anyone who might possibly think of dissenting. And then, the resources can role up to the top, the "natural elite", for their use and pleasure like "its supposed to"...

It's obvious the Republican Party thinks they're close to the sweet spot of taking control. They don't need Roe v Wade as a goad for voters anymore - they need it as a weapon to jail anyone who doesn't follow their doctrine anymore.

After all - to, what, 70% of self-identified Republicans? - we're already in the End Times. Who cares about "liberty" or "rights" when you need to get the Country Right With God (tm) so Jaysus might be merciful to us as a whole when He comes back.

Haele

[HappyMe]

5. I don't think so.

I'm more concerned about getting dragged into more crap in the ME.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. But...but...the Redumpingcans are Pro-Life!!

Just not for people. Foetuses, corporations, brain dead presidents, just not people.

[randys1]

9. And apparently there is zero chance a repub prez would appoint a SC justice who would overturn Roe

as opposed to the almost certainty that almost ALL of the clown car would do EXACTLY that

[B2G]

12. Some things you can't go back on

Legal abortion is one of them.

Are you worried about reinstating Prohibition too?

[randys1]

14. Such arrogance....very scary

[B2G]

23. Arrogant? No.

Realistic? Yes.

[Hekate]

20. Roe has been de facto overturned for most rural women in the country. It's been...

...de facto overturned in many red states even in cities.

It's like Jim Crow laws, you see, all about "local control" and "states' rights" -- the Federal government never reinstituted slavery, but the former Confederate states did so in a de facto sort of way. It took the SCOTUS, the President, and the U.S. government to overturn Jim Crow .... And now the tide is rolling out again.

Roe vs Wade will be dead if the next president is a Republican, because he'll appoint two or more members of the SCOTUS, who will chip away at it gradually. On the one hand, the GOP has used abortion to fill polling booths election after election, so it's to their advantage to have it still on the books. On the other hand, the Opus Dei members of the Court work under the laws of their god first and the Constitution of the US second.

For further information, go to the Planned Parenthood national website.

[PeaceNikki]

13. There are some DUers who think abortion is murder - ask them.

[randys1]

15. Which means the idea that a con prez would appoint one to SC is not far fetched

[PeaceNikki]

18. .

That literally makes me want to curl up into a ball and cry.

[LittleBlue]

16. Uhhhhh no

And also

The president doesn't have anything to do with state murder laws anyway.

[Agnosticsherbet]

21. If they control the House, the Senate, and the White House

then Republicans will do what they damn well please. They could make abortion a federal crime.

[LittleBlue]

24. They would have to get Roe v Wade overturned first

They don't want this issue to disappear. It's more politically valuable to them as a wedge issue.

[Agnosticsherbet]

25. We are one conservative justice from an overturn.

Since Bush Sr, every president has appointed two Justices. Reagan appointed three. Ginsberg is the oldest at 81, and has survived two bouts with Cancer. Scalia and Kennedy are next at 76. Kennedy at times serves as a swing vote. Breyer is 74. Of the oldest four justices, two of them are the core of the liberal wing of the court.

If a Republican is elected to the White House, then I suspect the Republican Senate will begin a death watch, and the moment a justice retires a Republican President will nominate a judge who is guaranteed to vote to repeal Roe V Wade.

Meanwhile, Republicans in red states will continue to pass laws that are meant to be taken to the Supreme Court to see if they can erode the protections of individual liberties from Roe V. Wade and strengthened by Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

Republican leadership like to use Roe V Wade, but they are not the ones driving the bus in the states. State Legislatures continue to pass laws in direct violation that are intended to end the law.


The process they use of passing different laws in order to limit the law was championed by Thurgood Marshall in the decades that led up to Brown Vs. the Board of Education. There were dozens of court cases that failed before Brown was a success. It just takes the right case and the right court.

[randys1]

29. So I suggest EVERY Time a DU member or otherwise alleges to be a Democrat or Liberal and

then says if their choice is Hillary vs any republican and they are not voting for Hillary, i.e. against said con, then I suggest we as DU members point at them and scream like in the Body Snatchers movie.

I mean that sincerely.

Anyone who contributes to the day when the nightmare you lay out in your post talks about becomes reality, is guilty of this new America that will be hell on earth.

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. In the general election, everyone should vote Democratic

otherwise they are contributing to Republicans. Sadly, that is how our system works.

[Agnosticsherbet]

19. The original decisionof Roe V Wade was as much about doctors having a right to practice medicine as

they chose as it was for women's right to determine their own lives, according to Ginsburg on her MSNBC interview.

So doctors who perform abortions would also face capital punishment in the future Republican Theocratic States of America. Killing the doctors would be a critical step in denying women any rights at all.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

26. Ask Dr. George Tiller and Dr. Barnett Slepian and Dr. David Gunn.

Oh wait...you can't ask them because they are dead.

Dr. Tiller was murdered on Sunday morning in the foyer of his own church and Dr. Slepian was shot through his own kitchen window in his own house. Dr. Gunn was shot outside an abortion clinic.

I've had to look at the Operation Rescue people in court. It was like getting PTSD just being in the same room with them. They are fanatical and dangerous. Flip Benham, Don Treshman and the rest of them. Extremely scary.