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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 04:15 PM Feb 2015

State Supreme Court Justice Warns He May Abolish Marriage Entirely If Same-Sex Weddings Are Allowed

An obscure, two-page opinion by an Alabama Supreme Court justice contains an ominous warning. If marriage equality remains the law in Alabama, Justice Glenn Murdock may vote to abolish marriage in his state altogether.

Justice Murdock’s opinion is attached to a brief order from the state supreme court as a whole declining to offer further guidance to Alabama probate judges regarding whether they must comply with a federal court order holding that same-sex couples are entitled to the same marriage rights as straight couples. In a brief opinion concurring in that order, Murdock hints that, if this federal court order is permitted to stand, then his own court should strike down all marriages within the state of Alabama.

Murdock suggests that, had the state legislature known that its decision to exclude gay couples from the right to marry was unconstitutional, it might have preferred not to permit anyone to be married in the state of Alabama. This potential preference for no marriages over equality matters, according to Justice Murdock, because of a prior state supreme court decision holding that, when part of a state law is struck down, the law may be declared “wholly void” if “the invalid portion is so important to the general plan and operation of the law in its entirety as reasonably to lead to the conclusion that it would not have been adopted if the legislature had perceived the invalidity of the part so held to be unconstitutional.”

Thus, according to Murdock, if gay couples and straight couples must enjoy the exact same marriage rights under the Constitution, the proper remedy might be to deny those rights to everyone, rather than extending them to same-sex and opposite-sex couples alike.

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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/02/18/3623884/state-supreme-court-justice-warns-may-abolish-marriage-entirely-sex-weddings-allowed/?

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State Supreme Court Justice Warns He May Abolish Marriage Entirely If Same-Sex Weddings Are Allowed (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2015 OP
Hate is all this is, we should consider this man a member of the taliban randys1 Feb 2015 #1
Talk about taking your toys and going home Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #2
There's a novel approach to enlisting allies! nt truebluegreen Feb 2015 #3
Good. Let's get everybody on the same side of the issue. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2015 #4
If he violates the Law... Mike Nelson Feb 2015 #5
So a heterosexual will destory marriage rather than allow marriage rights to others. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #6
Go ahead... this will go over real well. Agschmid Feb 2015 #7
The right to marry is a fundamental right treestar Feb 2015 #8
GOPers want to damn well make sure that gay marriage is a threat to traditional marriage. tanyev Feb 2015 #9
Obviously, he is a Communist who wants to make everybody equal under the law. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #10
:/ Go Vols Feb 2015 #11
Ooooh! Let's groove with the judge! struggle4progress Feb 2015 #12
Scorched Earth Politics. (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #13
sounds like he is going for broke Egnever Feb 2015 #14
I.E. Massive Resistance. NutmegYankee Feb 2015 #15
So one judge has the power to abolish marriage? workinclasszero Feb 2015 #16
That was my first thought as well. hifiguy Feb 2015 #18
No. But that's what a badly written headline and story will do onenote Feb 2015 #22
Alabama is not a sovereign nation... joeybee12 Feb 2015 #17
It's always amazed me how twisted thinkers get into law school and get elected judges. HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #19
Ok. Go do it. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #20
clearly proving that marriage is not a religious institution, as continually touted by the faithful. Sheepshank Feb 2015 #21

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
6. So a heterosexual will destory marriage rather than allow marriage rights to others.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 04:42 PM
Feb 2015

Everything they claimed was wrong.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
8. The right to marry is a fundamental right
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 04:44 PM
Feb 2015

So even if their legislature passed such a law, it would not survive the courts.

And a judge cannot make law like this from the bench. People say that when the courts make a ruling they don't like, but it's not really true - they interpreted the law. Here though this judge is really trying to order people in the state around in a way the courts cannot generally do.

tanyev

(42,559 posts)
9. GOPers want to damn well make sure that gay marriage is a threat to traditional marriage.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 04:47 PM
Feb 2015

Then they can say "I told you so."

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
14. sounds like he is going for broke
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:20 PM
Feb 2015

Might be a good time to abolish his position.

After all if one judge is going to ignore the constitution we might as well throw them all out.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
15. I.E. Massive Resistance.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:29 PM
Feb 2015

Gee, who couldn't have foreseen that a southern state would try that tactic again?

onenote

(42,704 posts)
22. No. But that's what a badly written headline and story will do
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:08 PM
Feb 2015

I disagree strongly with the idea that the invalidation of the same sex marriage prohibition in Alabama law would require the invalidation of the rest of the statutory provisions governing the licensing and recognition of marriage in the state. But its actually not a novel issue -- it is a pretty common issue in constitutional jurisprudence. And while I wouldn't be surprised if Murdock and some other judges on the Alabama Supreme Court, if the issue is presented to them, reach the wrong conclusion, the reality is that Murdock didn't suggest he could do anything himself. In fact all he did was acknowledge that the issue, if properly presented, would have to be addressed, but that the issue wasn't properly before the court at this time.

From a purely legal standpoint, what he wrote was pretty unobjectionable. What he decides if and when the question actually arises -- that will be an entirely different matter.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
19. It's always amazed me how twisted thinkers get into law school and get elected judges.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 06:53 PM
Feb 2015

I guess the filter doesn't really care what you might do with your brain as long as you show signs of having half of one.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
21. clearly proving that marriage is not a religious institution, as continually touted by the faithful.
Wed Feb 18, 2015, 07:04 PM
Feb 2015

It is merely a contractual and legal agreement regarding cohabitation and financial sharing etc established, described and enforced by a government entity.

Just goes to show...give 'em enough rope and they certainly do hang themselves.

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