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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnother Big Award for Snowden Documentary! Citizen 4 Wins British Academy Awards Also!
BAFTA AwardsIt's seems to be piling up awards!
It has also won the Directors Guild Award.
People are starving for the truth!
Thank you to all the Whistle Blowers and Journalists who have had the courage to try to protect our Constitutional Democracy.
History will be the judge!
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bigwillq
(72,790 posts)K and R
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Whistle Blowers were silenced so their efforts to inform the people were prevented.
Many countries have gone through times like these where Whistle Blowers are forced to seek political asylum in order to get the truth out to the people.
It IS hard to have to accept that we are now one of those countries, but facts are facts.
Snowden said he didn't mind going to jail in order to inform the people. But going to jail would have prevented that.
He and Greenwald and Poitras and others, are extremely courageous for helping him to do so.
I'm sure this is beyond his wildest dreams to have been able to reach such a large audience.
The Academy here deserves credit also for recognizing the historical significance of this documentary and having the courage to give it an Oscar.
840high
(17,196 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)"People are starving for the truth! " <--this
Thanks for this Sabrina1
vanlassie
(5,670 posts)I heard Binney tonight on FLASHPOINTS. Oh my God.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Thank you, Edward Snowden and those who facilitated your task.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)either silent or complicit in the attempt to destroy the Constitutional rights of this and future generations.
THIS film has been described in rave reviews, as a 'documentation of a period in our history that future generations will see and wonder about'. THAT, assuming we survive as a democracy and those future generations are free to look back and understand how close we came to losing those freedoms thanks only to a few, courageous whistle blowers and journalists.
xocet
(3,871 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)spying by agencies in the USA and Great Britain on average citizens. Now a documentary on him wins the highest honor in both countries. I'm glad Laura Poitras told the story. She edited in Berlin because she was afraid officials in Great Britain or the USA would take all her raw footage.
I agree with Snowden that at the time he fled to Moscow, he would not have received a fair trial. I don't think that's possible now either. I think the charges against him should be dropped. Bravo to the academies that recognized this movie.
Since 9/11 our intelligence agencies have gone too far in domestic surveillance. I applaud those who expose it. I believe we should substantially reign in the powers of these agencies.
As Daniel Ellsberg said of Snowden, he has done a lot to help protect both our Fourth Amendment and our First Amendment. Bravo to the journalists who describe what goes on. The issue is not about Snowden. It's about the revelations. It's about how we intend to take back our privacy.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Talented, courageous, and dedicated. I too am glad she is the one who got to tell the story.
As for Snowden receiving a fair trial, actually there should be no question of any trial. If you remember the SC decision in Ellsberg and the NYT. I believe the ruling was that 'the people's right to know outweighed the government's case for secrecy'.
If ever there was a situation where the people had the right to know, it began with the deconstruction of our Constitution during the Bush administration.
They engaged in criminal activities which they tried to cover up, see the telecoms case. And instead of Congress holding them accountable they covered for them.
They passed an Amendment to the FISA Bill that would be retroactive to cover the time of the commission of the crimes.
After what has gone on, after the crimes that were committed then covered up, or ignored, what Snowden did was NECESSARY.
And no, he would not get a fair trial in this country, he would be in grave danger of ending up like Chelsea Manning.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)for secrecy. Bravo to all who helped tell Snowden's story. They helped expose a matter of critical national importance. The US spying on its own citizens. People with no criminal record or suspicion of criminal activity. Massive, unwarranted, unchecked surveillance via the internet and phone conversations. On everyday people like you and me. An egregious widespread invasion of privacy.
It raises a critical Fourth Amendment issue. The government may not conduct searches or intrusions of privacy without clear demonstration of sufficient probable cause of criminal activity. The warrant must be signed by a judge. In the case of the NSA surveillance that Snowden exposed, the spying was conducted without warrants, without probable cause, on our own citizens. It was hidden from our view. It did not undergo the checks and balances we associate with a democratic society that follows rule of law.
It also raises a First Amendment issue. In the famous New York Times case, the US Justice Department sought to prevent publication of the Pentagon Papers. The Supreme Court ruled that the First Amendment bars the government from using prior restraint to prevent publication of government documents unless there is a provable immediate danger to national security that would justify the prior restraint. You're correct, the Court determined that the government failed to prove its case that the publication would cause a grave threat to anyone anywhere. It ruled that the people's right to know outweighed the government's case for secrecy. That led to the New York Times and the Washington Post immediately publishing the Pentagon Papers in the respective newspapers and in paperback books. The government continued pursuing a case against Daniel Ellsberg. A judge threw out the case when it was discovered that Nixon's plumbers broke into Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office looking for dirt on him. Nixon's staff set up the plumbers to plug leaks to the press. That infamous group then used its secret fund to break in to the the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate Hotel, leading to the fall of a Presidency.
As you point out, the Bush Administration engaged in criminal activities that it tried to cover up, regarding overzealous spying on our own people. The government should drop all charges against Snowden. It should stop trying to smear him and the people who helped him expose governmental spying on average citizens.
Congress should repeal all aspects of warrantless spying on anyone without probable cause that they are committing crimes. Liberals and conservatives alike can agree that post 9/11, the government went too far in warrantless spying on its own citizens. It must stop. We must get our privacy back. We must be free to communicate with each other without fear of unreasonable government intrusion.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Snowden comes across as highly intelligent, with full awareness of the impact of his whistle blowing.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)time to see the whole thing. I checked their schedule and it doesn't look like it will be repeated. I am looking forward to seeing it though, and hope maybe it will be repeated on demand.
It is getting incredible reviews from all over the place. What a great way these incredible people, despite the threats to them, the attempted smearing of their characters and 'journalists' like Dick Gregory suggesting to Greenwald that he should be prosecuted for doing the job HE will never be capable of doing, how courageously they got the information to the people.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)It is one of those "keeper" movies.
And perfect for gifts.
I kept copies of Hearts and Minds for many years, then gave them to my sons when they were old enough.
elias49
(4,259 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Awesome!
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Just don't keep trying to tell me that this story isn't about Snowden...
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)It IS about the government spying. Snowden is just another in a long line of whistleblowers.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and they certainly don't share their files with foreign governments...But maybe the definition has changed...
You know how I know this is all about Snowden? There are 20 celebratory/shit talking Oscar/BAFTA threads packed with hundreds of DUers, while nobody is discussing this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141021439
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)That being the Cia increasing their scope?
As for Snowden and his release of info on foreign spying: It was nothing new. They knew the US was doing such things. But most of the US citizens were not aware we were being spied on, and Germany, too.
So are you in favor of citizens being spied on here in the US?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)especially given his noticeable silence when other nations target the U.S....And everyone damn well knows it
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)in the cabinet of a Democratic President considering his past record? Can anyone explain that?