Do NOT call yourself left in any degree if you say you wont vote against the terrorists.

[randys1]

Dont allege you are the left and then say you will actually act in such a way as to allow the rightwing terrorists to take over.

SCREW that, big time.

You are either very confused or not at all who you say you are, or, and this is more likely, mostly unaffected by what a rightwing terrorist would do.

Ask a member of SNCC or a modern day activist for voting rights or Women's rights or civil rights what they think of your idea.

Left my ass.

[leveymg]

1. Please post a link to what you're talking about. n/t

[randys1]

2. This board is full of threads today by those alleging they are on the left

and in the camp of no way Hillary.

It is everywhere on this board.

[AgingAmerican]

27. My left can beat up your left

nt

[Katashi_itto]

94. I agree we must remove the traitors!

[peacebird]

130. Yes, but how does not wanting Hillary tie into your OP?

[randys1]

133. I dont want her either, my point is if that is our choice, a rightwing racist asshole who I call

terrorists, aka teaparty and repub party, or Hillary

I would expect anyone who thinks of themselves as left to race to the polls solely to prevent the unthinkable while we all work towards a day when actual liberals can be elected

[peacebird]

135. That is not our choice. We don't know who will announce yet. Once we have candidates announced

For the Dem primary, then we will know what our options are.
HRC has positive name recognition now, well, duh!

That does not mean she will be our best option, much less our only option.

[Ken Burch]

237. If we keep putting off nominating "actual liberals", though, we'll never GET to that day.

You don't make progressives electable in the future by assuming we have to nominate non-progressives today.

Anymore than you earn the right to order a gourmet meal later by eating shit sandwiches for the next month.

[VanillaRhapsody]

4. Its about people on DU who call themselves "Left" and Democrats...

but plan to sit out the election if DEMOCRATS elect Hillary Clinton in the Primary election.

They are throwing threats around about how THEY must be obeyed or they will stay home!

[hifiguy]

9. I have never sat out an election and never will.

There will be plenty of Democrats who need and will get my vote in 2016. But HRC is NOT one of them. My state is reliably Democratic in presidential elections and I thus feel free to vote my conscience. i cannot and will not vote for a corporatist war-monger whose mission in life is to make the tenth-percenters and the MIC richer at the expense of everyone else.

[VanillaRhapsody]

19. If the Democrats select Hillary Clinton in the primary...

do you vote for her?

Its very very simple.....do you support the decision of your Fellow Democrats or not?

[KingCharlemagne]

41. It's very simple, unless hifiguy and others are actually 'swing voters' who

vote tactically as circumstances require but may 'swing' further left as circumstances allow. Definitely a sticky wicket, I admit, this question of party 'loyalty' and party 'discipline.' I applaud those like you who place party loyalty paramount among their values but I also respect those who will sometimes swing further left because the election outcome (or specific office) will not hinge upon their vote. Does that make sense or am I contradicting myself?

[VanillaRhapsody]

47. And I am asking them....do they support the decision of their fellow Democrats or not?

Would you question "Union Loyalty"?

[bluesbassman]

71. You appear to be very black and white on this issue, so I have a question for you...

If Hillary Clinton came out and said that one her primary objectives after taking office was a boots on the ground invasion of Iran in the name of stopping nuclear proliferation, would you still support her nomination in the primary and vote for her in the general?

Just trying to establish where your bar is set.

[VanillaRhapsody]

91. Yes I am very Black and White on the subject of Democratic Party loyalty!

why don't you trust your fellow Democrats to make the right choice? If you cannot claim you will vote for the winner of OUR Primary.....then you most certainly do NOT trust your fellow Democrats now do you?

[bluesbassman]

137. So basically you have no bar except a "D" at the end of a name.

That's pretty scary and indicates a tendency to avoid critical thinking. As far as whether I "trust" my fellow Democrat's choices, it all depends on whether they make well reasoned choices.

Not that I really give a rat's tail what you or any other "party loyalist" thinks, but I've voted for the Democrat candidate in every election since 1976, and will continue to do so, but that certainly doesn't mean that I don't want examine and critique a potential (and that's all HRC is at this point) candidate's history, beliefs and commitment to Liberal and Progressive issues leading up to the general election.

[Quackers]

138. Don't expect a response anytime soon.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=296000&sub=trans

[bluesbassman]

141. Thanks for the heads up.

Frankly I'm surprised I got the one response.

[840high]

145. I've become a voter

who now supports our country over party.

[Sheepshank]

92. but what if Hillary were to come out and say she will implement single payer...

...continue the fight for LGBT rights, protect abortion rights and ensure she nominates SCOTUS to that end. She will fight to ensure the protection and COLA increases for SS, and make minimum wage with regular COLA increases the law of the land......

what you are saying is that if the DEM nominee for POTUS is HRC (because all discussiuon boils down to the Dem nominee in the final run that can defeat a REP), we should all suddenly and exclusively become single issue voters? I honestly think most people are more multi dimensional that you care to admit.

[bluesbassman]

139. All good issues to hear positive statements from a candidate.

I didn't say what you're implying at all. I was using one extreme issue to try to determine if VR had any sort of bar other than party affiliation. Apparently not.

However, to address your point in a little more detail, there are myriad issues facing our nation and society today and the examples you cited should be bedrock principles for a presidential candidate, so should Wall Street reform, income equality, dismantling of the Military Industrial Complex, equal protection under the law for all citizens, and many more. Sure would be nice to hear Clinton's views on all of these issues and I hope it's not AFTER she wins the primary nomination.

[Caretha]

235. So it's that old right wing meme huh?

You're either with us or against us?

How's that working out for you...Miss Vanilla Righty?

[davidpdx]

236. BAWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

More like "Little miss can't be wrong....."

[Scootaloo]

80. Will they do so while crowing "PARTY UNITY MY ASS!"?

because I have to admit that would be sassy and funny.

[Katashi_itto]

95. They are suspicious and must be dealt with!

They are the enemy. Send them to the gulags.

[Katashi_itto]

113. Terrible.

[BlueCaliDem]

208. No. Dissent is democratic, but pledging not to vote for the Democratic nominee

who isn't to one's liking, and to stay home and make waffles instead, is neither dissent nor hate-speech. It's selfish and narcissistic, with a firm belief that the world revolves me, me, ME!

[Katashi_itto]

209. Of course, down with dissidents! FOR THE GLORY OF THE PARTY!

[BlueCaliDem]

215. Ugh, Katashi...

[Katashi_itto]

221. As a Apparatchik for our glorious Democratic Party you must learn

to crush the dissidents without mercy.

Discredit them first, calling them selfish and narcissistic are good starts.

Well done comrade!

Power to the people!

[BlueCaliDem]

223. ...

[840high]

144. I won't sit out. I also

will not vote for Hillary.

[JDPriestly]

177. I'm one of those you are talking about.

I cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary even though there are things that I like about her.

But my not voting for her will not make a difference because I live in California, a blue-blue state. If Hillary who is a right-wing Democrat cannot win California without my vote, she can't win anywhere.

If I lived in a swing state, I might think differently. But I am lucky. I will work to try to get a really strong candidate to run for our party, and if I am unsuccessful, I will let others do the deed of pushing our country further to the right by electing Hillary and the candidates on the right who will be elected with her.

I support candidates who will represent the American people.

In fact, today I filled out my absentee ballot for the Los Angeles School Board election to be held on Tuesday. I vote for Democrats. I vote for liberals. I will not vote for Hillary.

If anyone has a video or information on her stances on the issues that show that she wants to represent the interest of the American people, not those of the corporations, the rich Wall Street folks (nothing wrong with them as people but I think the rest of us deserve representation for a change), not those of other countries like India, not those of the TPP, not those of the big telecommunications companies, not those of the military-industrial complex, etc., I might be brought to reconsider. But until . . . . . I am persuaded that Hillary will represent us, the people, and not her fat-cat donors, I certainly will not vote for her.

I hope that Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders run on the Democratic ticket. I want to see good debates. Hillary will have her chance to win me and voters like me over in those debates.

[dissentient]

3. ...

[TheSarcastinator]

5. you don't get to decide what people call themselves

Nice try, though.

[randys1]

6. You are right, people can call themselves flying monkey's or toaster ovens, as well, if they want

My problem is I have TWO FRONTS

where I am fighting against RIGHTWINGERS on voting

In general with laws designed to stop minorities from voting and then on DU and elsewhere
where people are being told NOT to vote

[arcane1]

11. There are people on DU telling people not to vote?

Lucky me, I missed those posts. I would've loved to jump in and express how stupid it is to tell people to not vote. Can you link me to the thread(s)?

[randys1]

13. God damn you are getting good at this, take training have you?

This is very embarrassing, it really is.

[arcane1]

15. So, no links then? No links to back up your slander?

As I suspected, you have nothing but baseless smears against fellow DUers. I'm not fooled.

[randys1]

17. Just an entire board of post after post of people saying Hillary is the SAME as the cons

Which is used to try and convince OTHERS to see it the same way thus NOT vote for her.

Are you denying that is what is happening, if you do it will be a dishonest statement.

Are you dishonest?

[arcane1]

32. More baseless smears.

It's getting pitiful

[randys1]

34. Why are you here at a board dedicated to the Democratic Party and it's candidates?

We have established this place is FULL of anti Hillary people attacking her and Obama , so tell me why in the HELL are you here if you are so anti Democratic Party?

We know Liz Warren isnt anti Democratic Party.

We know Bernie always votes WITH them, why are you here again?

[Scootaloo]

81. "Randys1 sez" is not the same as "establishing."

Just thought you should be aware of that, randys1

[arcane1]

85. What is your basis for slandering me as "anti Democratic Party"? Nothing.

Playing the role of "Purity Police" is another right-wing tactic.

The REAL question is: why are you using right-wing tactics to attack Democrats on a board made for Democrats?

[AgingAmerican]

33. Some people don't like her, period

No need to get all tied up in knots over it.

[Capt. Obvious]

42. Then links should be plentiful for you to provide

[Rex]

82. Oh come on! Why can't you just have blind faith?

Who needs links to proof? Proof is only required when they demand it from you! I agree, their circle jerk is getting sad and pathetic. I guess since nobody wants to play along with their concern trolling, they will all just have to make a new list of people to purge from DU!

My aren't they progressive!? Loyalty oaths, purge lists, all these demands...but don't you make one...no sir!

Why anyone takes the OP and his little pals seriously anymore...well I guess there really is a sucker born every minute.

[VanillaRhapsody]

48. YES!

[arcane1]

62. Where?? Last I heard, it's a ban-able offense. If these posts stand, I want to see them.

Perhaps you'll do a better job of providing a link to a thread wherein someone tells people to not vote..?

[VanillaRhapsody]

64. You must not be paying attention....I argue with those with that position on DU all day every day...

and who encourage others to do the same....

[arcane1]

65. I'm just saying I've not seen it, and would like to.

Anyone who advises non-voting needs to catch all the hell I have to give!

[VanillaRhapsody]

66. Well keep your eyes open....it is here...

[Rex]

83. It's as if they expect you to do their homework for them.

The lies about all these people running around DU telling others not to vote...I would say they should have some shame about lying, but I guess some don't have that ability.

But yeah...just keep your eyes open etc.. bound to see what so far only two people swear happens all the time in GD.

[markpkessinger]

100. I call BS on the claim that people here are telling others not to vote . . .

. . . I have never seen any post telling people not to vote. I've seen posts that have expressed disgust with the current state of the Democratic Party and its politics, and yes, some of its candidates. I've seen a . . . um . . . . certain subgroup of DUers for whom any criticism of the President, Hillary Clinton or the DNC is construed, in the fevered imaginations of the members of that subgroup, as an effort to discourage voting. Curiously, many of that subgroup also seem to be under the impression that being politically "left" is one and the same with a party label (I guess they haven't noticed the rightward drift that began somewhere around, oh, 1996 or so.)

[randys1]

103. The way propaganda works is clear to me, as I have been around for a while

If you want to poison minds on something you repeatedly point out the minimal difference between the parties, you repeatedly point out Hillary's failures or support of the war.

It is clear what is being done here...very very clear

[markpkessinger]

132. By that standard . . .

. . . you can label any disagreement or dissent towards the status quo as "propaganda."

Perhaps this will come as a surprise to you, but there are many of us on the left who are profoundly disgusted with the complicity of some in the Democratic Party in perpetuating our endless wars. And when it comes to Hillary, we don't even have to go back to her support for the war in Iraq to have some clue as to how she would lead. We only have to look at her criticism of Obama concerning Syria, in which she claimed that Obama's failure to back the rebels resulted in the rise of ISIS.

The other day I got into an argument with a family member over the statement that our men and women in uniform are "protecting our freedoms." My response was to say that perhaps I would have an easier time with a statement like that if there had been even a <i>single</i> war or military conflict involving the U.S. military in the course of my 53+ years on the planet in which such freedoms had genuinely been at stake. I believe our country has become addicted to war and military answers to every problem. I believe that addiction is part of what has fueled the warping of our domestic priorities, and that it has created a society that has become ever more cruel in response to being brutalized by the wars our leaders -- of BOTH parties -- continue to play at.

What that means, for me, is that when I criticize Hillary's support for the war, I am criticizing exactly that, and I am implying a criticism of her hawkishness in general.

For some of us, myself included, my loyalty to party is, always has been and always will be secondary to the principles I support. And if my political party embraces, in reality, principles that are contrary both to my own principles and those the party purports to stand for, I'm going to call that out. You can call that propaganda (or anything else) if you like. I call it being a conscientious, principled American citizen, who understands that the day my party decides that principled dissent and disagreement must be subordinated to the party's political fortunes is the day that party is no longer the Democratic Party I signed up for.

[randys1]

134. Calling out hypocrisy and corporate candidates is something i do all day everyday

I am making a simple point

If Hillary is the choice, it is UNTHINKABLE not to vote AGAINST some of the worst people imaginable, aka teaparty and repub party


I am a Democratic Socialist.

I dont like Hillary, but I may be stuck with her.

[markpkessinger]

142. Indeed -- I may be stuck with her too . . .

. . . and in that case, yes, I will vote for her. But she is NOT the nominee yet, and I sure as hell hope we have a different candidate to vote for. And until such time as she IS the nominee, I'll be damned if I'll refrain from criticizing her.

But there IS a cogent argument to be made -- not an argument I can fully agree with, mind you, but it is a cogent one nevertheless -- that the rightward drift of the party will not reverse direction unless and until candidates who participate in that drift pay a political price for it. That is to say, that the "lesser of two evils" is still evil. They argue further that if we want to see a genuine change in direction in this country, then, as left wingers, we need either to (a) withhold votes from the candidates of the party that purports to be the left-wing party in this country when those candidates continue to embrace the corporatist agenda, or (b) work on creating a party that <i>will</i> be responsive to our priorities and values.

As I say, although the argument is a pretty good one, I can't embrace it. My response to it is simply that is threefold: (1) the fact is that elections, in the end, come down to choices, and the available choices are rarely ideal; (2) while it may be possible to force the party to our way of thinking by withholding votes, that strategy is essentially the same one the Tea Party used on the GOP (where it had some success, but exacted a terrible long-term price); and (3) the deck is pretty much stacked by state balloting regulations against the success of third parties, so I just don't see that as a realistic option.

I may not see that argument as presenting any viable solutions, but I can certainly understand the reasoning behind it. So I'm not about to accuse anyone of being a propagandist merely because the evaluate that argument differently from the way I evaluate it.

[TheKentuckian]

168. and you'll get herded into Cuomo after that and some Bayh clone after that, and another corporatist

after that and on and on just as we have been for decades now with noose getting tighter with fold after fold, surrender after surrender until all memory and hope of anything else is gone.

That isn't being left, that is being a fucking mark. A sucker to be used and abused and I intend to help you by breaking you of this habit of seeking rolling surrender.

As long as it is allowed and the votes are safe and guaranteed we will not see anything but the same old shit. I intend to break the crutch of the church of false risk aversion that allows the cowering to pretend eternal and ever increasing surrender to the right is harm reduction when of course it is nothing of the sort and more accurately described as irresponsibly kicking the can down the road so that someone else will have to bite the bullet and motherfuck em who cares how big that bite is as long as we don't have to feel the pain, right?

Left my ass, all see is feverish efforts to drum up support to advance the corporate and military agenda by justifying it by hiding behind a single issue or maybe two though all I see is lip service on the second, threats that the boogieman will get us basically rather than advancing a damn thing.

Democratic Socialist that is fine with crushing wages, puffing up the wealth disparity, exporting the jobs, ever increasing the influence of money and big business and even capture of our government by the corporations, and austerity? Right. It is easy to be an astronaut if your ass never has to sit on top of the rocket too.

If people are opposed to the right wing then they'll stop elevating corporate politicians that move the heart of the right wing policies. You can scream your head off as far as I'm concerned but folks will be broken of their foolish capitulation if I can help it.

[TheKentuckian]

169. When does this happen, all I ever see is you demanding fealty to corporate Democrats.

Granted, a little expression of hand wringing regret is often tossed in there on the side but the meat is demanding the line be toed.

[Katashi_itto]

232. Your awesome! You are excellent at showing rampant hypocrisy and what voting for

corporate candidates is all about.

[arcane1]

7. So sayeth the Final Arbiter of What Left Means.

By the way, framing it as "say you wont vote against the terrorists" is exactly what right-wingers do. Don't come here claiming how "left" you are when you use right-wing rhetoric.

See how easy that is?

[randys1]

10. This is embarrassing that you would post that on a Democratic message board, it really is.

How sad.

[arcane1]

12. I thought the same way about the OP n/t

[frylock]

43. the ironing is delicious

[Mnpaul]

183. You are either with us or with the terrorists

Bush clap trap being used on DU. Who would of thought.

Black/White conservative thinking is troubling as well

[frylock]

8. So The Far Left© is relevant enough to effect elections now?

I've lost track. Please advise.

[frylock]

18. Indeed

[Rex]

84. It should really be embarressing by now for them to keep lying like that all the time.

Notice they won't show any proof? Gee, all over GD yet they cannot find any links. Looks like the concern trolling backfired bigtime.

[BlueCaliDem]

214. No. Not at all, thanks to minorities who fill in that gap.

But they were effective back in 2000, and look what that got us.

Good thing President Obama understood that "weak-link" and decided not to have to rely on the Far-Left to win his election and re-election, resulting in victory with over 51% of the vote both times, huh? He would've otherwise lost to McCain and Mittney.

But it's annoying as hell when those who claim to be the Far-Left (not verbatim, but in describing themselves) and who claim to want leftist ideals in candidates (or else), would find themselves on a [font color="red"]Democratic Party supporting[/font] site to pontificate against registered Democrats almost with a fervent hatred.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. It is up to the candidate to convince the people of their merit as a candidate.

If the Democrats want the votes of the (EEK!) Left they'll have to appeal to the Left not pander to the Right.

[GeorgeGist]

24. The third way is to claim both.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. "Not as bad" is a piss poor campaign slogan or form of government.

[840high]

154. No longer acceptable

to me. Did it too often in the past. No more.

[VanillaRhapsody]

49. Right because the "Far Left" doesn't call other Democrats names right?

[2banon]

20. oh my....

[Man from Pickens]

21. I do vote against them

even when they pretend to be Democrats

perhaps that is the problem?

[randys1]

23. This person says it better than I can...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6286314

After reading that OP, I would not have the nerve to say another comment about both parties being the same.

[think]

22. Threads like this do nothing to entice me to vote for the big "D"

sorry....

[randys1]

25. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6286314

[think]

29. Much Better. TY /nt

[randys1]

31. Good, so I can count on your vote now no matter who the nominee is

[AgingAmerican]

35. If they nominated Joe Lieberman

Or crazy Zell Miller, would you vote for them? I wouldn't. I would sell my house and move to Costa Rica.

[randys1]

37. It depends on if they were better in ANY way over the alternative, before I moved to CR to

hang with my friend Randi, I would make sure and vote against whoever wants to kill Women.

Just as one example

[AgingAmerican]

39. So if Millers farts smelled less sulfurous than Lieberman's

Crazy Zell would get your vote?

Interesting...

[sendero]

54. "better in any way"...

... not much of a standard. So you'd vote for a child molester over a child pornographer? I'm not voting for either.

Just so you understand - people vote in their own self interest generally. Now, its clear that some people don't know what that is, and there isn't much anyone can do about it.

But voting for another third way corporatist "Democrat" (in name only) isn't in the cards for me. The idea that my choice is between one asshole who will be actively working against my interests, or another asshole supposedly in a different party actively working against my interests is bullshit. I don't have to vote for either of them and I won't.

Along with my position let me suggest you let go of outmoded thinking. It is not a battle between the Republicans and the Democrats, it is a battle between the 1% and everyone else. I'm not voting for anyone beholden to the 1%. Ever. Again.

[bravenak]

105. Me too.

We can all pool funds and start a new society somewhere.

[think]

46. No. Blindly supporting a party candidate without considering the issues isn't rational IMO. But

more than likely I'll vote against the Republican candidate. I don't plan on sitting out or voting 3rd party.

[think]

52. Is this behavior representative of what a true Democrat acts like?

[VanillaRhapsody]

58. Behavior representative of a Democrat is one that respects and supports the decision of their

fellow Democrats!

[Cha]

87. So don't.. vote for the big R.. or stay home like the Dems who did in the 2010 and 2014 Midterms.

And, then whine about the state of our country in the hands of Kochs.

[840high]

146. ...^ that

[obxhead]

26. If you support Hillary you're not left

You're not even center right.

You're extreme fucking 1%er right.

[randys1]

28. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6286314


I cant talk to people like you anymore, seriously.

I will let this person do it for me


ps

I am so left i have to turn around twice to see something on my right side

[AgingAmerican]

38. You are so 'far left' that

...you don't want to vote for the terraists!!

[obxhead]

74. Yeah, I responded in that one too.

The people we fight to help can't afford HRC either.

You support a republican. Wave the flag proudly.

[muriel_volestrangler]

40. 54% of potential Democratic primary voters think she's the best candidate

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_22515.pdf (p. 28)

58% of those who describe themselves as 'very liberal'; 60% of those seeing themselves as 'somewhat liberal'.

91% of 'very liberal' Dem primary voters find her favourable; 86% of 'somewhat liberal'.

[obxhead]

73. So the msm that gets nearly everything wrong

Is correct with these numbers?

Yeah, unicorns, wishes, snow cones.

[muriel_volestrangler]

75. Do you mean you're wishing the numbers away? A reverse tinkerbell?

You're closing your eyes tight shut, crossing your fingers, and saying "no, I don't believe these numbers, therefore, like unicorns, they don't exist?", hoping they won't be there when you open your eyes? Good luck with that.

Nothing to do with the 'MSM'. It's a polling company.

[obxhead]

86. Bwahahahahahaha

You think there is a difference between a polling company and the msm.

That truly is hilarious.

Math can be manipulated to fit the desired outcome.

On top of that you reference a single poll.

[muriel_volestrangler]

88. It's a very recent poll

It's a respected polling firm, they polled about Republicans too, and there's nothing to indicate they 'manipulated' anything.

Do you realise how much your posts do look like you are closing your eyes and wishing polls didn't exist?

If you think the 'left' for the country as a whole, rather than the left of DU, dislikes Hillary, then show some evidence. Otherwise, you are the one who has faith in the existence of unicorns.

[obxhead]

129. Do you realize how strongly you support the right?

HRC supports off shoring jobs, war, insurance industry, domestic spying.... fuck, I'm done with this.

You have a rallying cry for a Republican. Accept it and wear it with pride.

[muriel_volestrangler]

140. I haven't said I support Hillary, let alone the right

I'm just trying to show you the reality of American politics. You are pretending not to know the difference between Democrats and Republicans. You may or may not realise how little the view you put forward matches what American voters think.

FWIW (I'm British), Hillary would be acceptable to me, though for domestic policy Warren looks better (there's not much to choose between them on foreign). But Warren isn't running. I also suspect Republicans could paint her as 'too left' for many Americans, well enough to stop her. Bernie Sanders's policies are good, overall, but I don't think he will ever have a realistic chance of winning a Democratic primary for president, let alone the main contest.

I notice you haven't tried to show in any way that there isn't strong support for Hillary on the left.

[VanillaRhapsody]

51. Thats funny since 61% of Democrats DO support her...

and a few rabble rouses on DU who call themselves Democrats Don't.

[Comrade Grumpy]

63. Forty percent of the party isn't "a few rabble rousers."

That's a pretty significant minority.

[obxhead]

72. It's not funny at all.

It tells me politics have been dragged so far to the right that Bush is now a fucking centrist.

[hrmjustin]

155. I am Hillary supporter and not a 1 percenter. You don't know what you are talking about.

[obxhead]

157. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Millions of people are poor as shit and support Republicans.

You, while not a 1%er, support a Republican.

List the way HRC supports the poor. It won't take long.

[hrmjustin]

159. I have never voted for a republican in my life. You really do not know whst you are talking about.

[obxhead]

164. I didn't claim you have.

However, right now you do.

List the ways HRC supports the poor, hell even the middle class.

It will be short, very short.

Hillary is a Republican. She proves that with nearly every vote she has taken and will run an administration that mimics Bush.

[hrmjustin]

165. I am not eloquent enough or have the info to go through a list but I disagree with you

strongly.

[obxhead]

170. Wow. This isn't about how well one can write or speak.

Name one fucking way HRC supports the poor. Just one.

THIS is why we fight against her.

HRC is a fucking 1%er Republican that fights AGAINST the poor and middle class.

[hrmjustin]

171. Not if you are going to speak with such disrepect.

[obxhead]

172. I apologize.

You strongly support HRC.

Please give one, just one, example of how she will fight for the poor.

[hrmjustin]

173. She will raise the minimum wage and raise taxes on the rich to pay for social programs.

[obxhead]

175. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OMG, thank you.

It has been a sad day with the death of Nimoy.

Thank you for bringing some comedy back.

My sig line is intended for voters like you, voters that see something that does not exist.

[hrmjustin]

176. Voters like me?

[obxhead]

178. Yes

People that believe in magic.

People that refuse to actually pay attention to what our politicians do.

HRC is a Republican in every sense of the word.

To counter the only thing you think she will bring, a raise in the minimum wage, I offer the TPP, which HRC strongly supports.

Every leak we've seen of the TPP is horrible. Granted, we've seen little. It's being kept a dark secret for a reason.... it's going to fuck all of us, particularly the poor and middle class. It will make NAFTA look like the new deal, which NAFTA certainly was not.

So yes, voters like you.

The uninformed voters.

Voters that support the party and the odds, not the policies and the needs of the nation.

[hrmjustin]

179. Well since you feel the need to insult me I see no reason to continue.

have a good weekend.

[obxhead]

180. Yes,

the insults must end.

We must band together and fight for progressive politicians that will help all of us, especially those that have the least.

Hopefully, you will see the light and help fight for that cause.

[hrmjustin]

181. I have been fighting for the cause thank you very much.

And if you want the insults to stop then stop hurling them.

[Capt. Obvious]

36. *yawn*

This amazing circle jerk the last few days is the equivalent of watching Gallagher smash watermelons for an entire set.

[Ichingcarpenter]

44. Yeah but we get kool leather jackets and learn gang signs.

while we get splattered by watermellon seeds

[SomethingFishy]

45. Vote against the "terrorists"?

ROFLMFAO.... Didn't we just beat the shit out of Scott Walker for comparing unions to terrorists?

Republicans are not terrorists, they are morons.

2012 was my final "lesser of 2 evils" vote. If voting for the person that I think is going to be the best thing for my kids and this nation makes me "not a lefty" according to your sad definition then so be it.

Oh and frankly, this is the attitude that hurts the left. Anyone who disagrees with me is a terrorist. Funny I hear t6he same thing from Republicans.

[Luminous Animal]

53. Yep. It is disgusting. Proving, yet again, th word has

no meaning.

[Sherman A1]

55. ......

[demosincebirth]

56. Your personel opinion.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

57. Isn't it a bit early in the season for Loyalty Oaths and Groupthink?

We already have one DUer who is making a career of deciding who is/isn't a Democrat. Now, we have one who is/isn't "leftist".

Freedom for supporters of the government only, for members of one party only, no matter how big its membership may be is, no freedom at all. Freedom is always freedom for the man who thinks differently.

Rosa Luxemburg

I guess Rosa wasn't a REAL leftist.

[Capt. Obvious]

59. Until everyone gets their bar codes, this is the only way

[HERVEPA]

60. Do NOT tell me what to call myself. You are the definition of arrogance.

Oh, you don't get to define terrorist either.

[NCTraveler]

61. This is so stupid it was painful to read.

I am a big Hillary supporter. That does not mean I see her without flaws. Serious flaws. There is no better time to highlight those flaws than now. Members of this board are passionate about their politics. Why can't you wrap your head around the fact that limited regulation capitalism and the economy are flat out number one on some peoples list as to what will bring us down quickest. If not bring us down, then kill a lot of innocents along the way(hunger, housing, etc.).

Also, your use of the term "right wing," what are you talking about? One or two of the most extreme members of congress and their supporters, or are you including people like Charlie Crist and Jeb Bush. You lack of definition in that are makes the whole op nonsensical. Terrorist has a meaning.

[randys1]

70. Stupid and painful? Really, a board DEDICATED to the DEMOCRATIC PARTY with post after

post, thread after thread saying there is either no difference between the parties or not enough to make it worth voting for the Democrat?

REALLY

You do know how propaganda works, right?

Flaws, Hillary?

Dear GOD, you are talking to a person who wants to nationalize all fuel, electricity, water, access to the internet, healthcare, and I probably left something out. Someone who hated having to wonder if his step son would die in a war based on lies, someone who is against any boots on the ground unless those boots are congresscritter sons and daughters first...which means no boots since that will never happen.

Oh, and as to Hillery, they arent flaws, a flaw would be something unintended, her mainstream and non liberal positions are intentional.

Bernie is BARELY liberal enough for me.

And yet, since I know what the other side would do, I will do anything and everything in my power to vote for WHOEVER the candidate is and I will CONTINUE to work DAILY helping to make sure everybody else can vote.

[alarimer]

67. "Vote for us. We're not as bad as the other guys."

Not really a slogan to rally behind. Give people something to vote FOR, not just against.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

68. I'd say don't pretend you're a socialist if you vote for corporatists. nt

[MissDeeds]

69. Wow

Such narrow minded vitriol.

I don't know whether to or

[nichomachus]

76. You can't tell me what to do

You're not my real mother.

[H2O Man]

77. Silly,

though not humorous .....more in a sad way.

[gwheezie]

78. During the primary fight for your dem

Argue, campaign, do whatever to get your dem the nomination. When the nomination is settled then I expect people on a dem board to vote for the dem nominee. If a person does not vote for the dem nominee I suspect they aren't a dem. person can argue the dem party no longer represents them or the dem party changed etc but I don't see how you say you're a dem and not vote dem. better to say you're an independent.

[F4lconF16]

79. Bahahaha

Ask a member of SNCC or a modern day activist for voting rights or Women's rights or civil rights what they think of your idea.

Alright, so I went and listened to Aaron Dixon speak last night. There were also a bunch of feminist, youth, Black Student Union, and Black Lives Matter activists there.

Wanna know what they didn't say?

Vote for Hillary.

Wanna know what a bunch of them have explicitly advocated against?

Voting for Hillary. Or, for that matter, Democrats in general.

Wanna know why?

Because they've sold themselves out, and to support them is supporting a system that is actively working against our interests.

But you're probably right. I'm sure they weren't real activists anyways.

Also, I have never seen a post on DU that uses right-wing rhetoric so specifically: "If you don't vote for us, you support the terrorists"--really?

[Katashi_itto]

89. +1000

[bravenak]

163. I thought it was just me and a few other 'rabble rousers'.

I hope we can have a discussion about her and get her to start clearing some things up.

[LeftOfWest]

229. You saw Aaron Dixon!!!

I am so jealous!!!

Great post!

[Katashi_itto]

90. I want to thank you for making me feel like I stepped back to the 1930s. Where swearing party

loyalty mattered above all! If not you were branded a traitor.

This is truly fascinating to watch!

Thanks for showing it can not only happen with with the "Right Wing" but anywhere.

Thank you!

VOTE HILLARY!

[randys1]

96. More Hillary hate on a Democratic message board, sigh

[Katashi_itto]

98. Not at all! I see all your points.

[840high]

150. So what? She hasn't even

declared yet.

[Katashi_itto]

93. VICTORY OVER THE LEFTIST TRAITORS!

[randys1]

97. More hatred of the likely leader of the Democratic Party....sigh

[Katashi_itto]

99. Again, nothing to do with Hillary. I think where your taking the democratic party

is brilliant. Making people swear party fealty is great!

[randys1]

101. MOre HIllary hate

I am not that interested in the Dem party, I am a member because I am mature and grown up enough to know the alternative is hell on earth.

[Katashi_itto]

102. Again, nothing to do with Hillary. Demands of party fealty should work great!

VOTE HILLARY (Or Else)

[randys1]

104. More Hillary Hate...

[Katashi_itto]

106. Again, nothing to do with Hillary. Demands of party fealty should work great!

[randys1]

107. Both parties are the same, remember that...

[Katashi_itto]

108. Teabaggers make their faithful swear fealty too.

[randys1]

109. Both parties are the same, CPAC and Democratic party, same thing...

[Katashi_itto]

110. If you say so comrade.

[randys1]

111. You will have to excuse me for a moment, I am on a rightwing board arguing with a teapartier

who is saying both parties are the same and a vote for Hillary is a vote for status quo and bad etc

I have to argue with them and you at the same time, long day

it is especially hard for me to do given that I am a democratic socialist

[Katashi_itto]

112. Is that what you say you are?

[randys1]

114. Straw man, no person has more issues with mainstream politicians than I do. Difference

is even with that I am aware of the vast differences between the parties

Mainly because I listen to minorities when they tell me why it is so important, and Women

[Katashi_itto]

115. So it's your best friends are minorities sort of thing.

[randys1]

116. Yes, some of my best friends are Women

[Katashi_itto]

117. Nice of you

[randys1]

118. Some of them right now cant find a clinic to get a safe abortion, in certain states.

What will happen if they take short cuts, I dont want to think about it

Some of my other friends have been disenfranchised by rightwing republicans, you know, the group that is the same as the dems

Some of us have to fight two fights to protect voting rights, those who are prevented from voting by jim crow laws and those who wont vote because of propaganda

[Katashi_itto]

119. Your just awesome!

[randys1]

120. No, I am not...do you spend this much time every day arguing with someone who

wants everybody to vote?

Do you do this elsewhere too?

[Katashi_itto]

121. No I don't. I own my own company, it's my time. You simply stand out as a beacon of the party's

possible future.

[randys1]

123. More Hillary hate on a Democratic message board, sigh

[Katashi_itto]

125. Again, nothing to do with Hillary. Demands of party fealty should work great!

[Rex]

148. 'I am not that interested in the Dem party'

Yeah we can all tell you have no interest in the party. Sorry your concern troll thread blew up in your face and all these people humiliated you. Maybe next time try not to look so desperate. It might help.

And of course you will just say 'HRC hate'...it is impossible for any other pathetic narrative.

[AtomicKitten]

122. George Takei weighs in on the OP.

https://m.

[randys1]

124. I wonder who a Gay man who was put in an internment camp when he was 5 yrs old

will vote for when the choice is any Democratic and any modern day rightwing likely teaparty Republican


hmmmmm

Thanks for allowing me to make the ultimate point of ALL TIME

[AtomicKitten]

127. You have a point?

A panel of three on my sofa looked for a point in your word salad and came up with zip. Maybe you can draw readers a map.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

126. Thanks, Vanilla Randys1. Much appreciated. nt

[Lurks Often]

128. I am randys1, arbitrator of all things Democratic!!!

Last edited Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Yawn, purity police are so tiresome

[Katashi_itto]

131. One Hour of Music - Soviet Communist Music

[Marr]

136. This is just laughably transparent and bad. /nt

[Katashi_itto]

143. .

[djean111]

147. This ranty little authoritarian crap is just silly.

So is giving orders to DU members. Really, on what planet (or board) does that stuff actually work?

[Rex]

149. It's their way of bashing DU and DUers without getting banned.

It is about the most pathetic thing I've seen from his special little group.

[840high]

153. They won't sway me.

[darkangel218]

166. +1

[workinclasszero]

151. Totally agree OP

How can anyone claim to be left/progressive and knowingly allow and work for the right wing complete takeover of the government!?

This board has really gone to hell lately with all these "democrats..leftists..progressives"? actively working for the damned republican party it seems.

I think lots of these people have no problems taking their ball and going home to sulk in a corner because Hillary doesn't walk on water because they are rich enough to live through the living hell 8 years of teabagger theocratic rule that a president walker would most assuredly bring!

I got news for the wealthy left...many of us unwashed masses out here are living pay check to pay check, or on SSI, or social security and food assistance, if you even give a shit!

President Walker, who just compared the workers of America to ISIS terrorists, and his bagger controlled congress will kill those programs DEAD!

Do you want to see poor children going hungry every night? Do you want to see old and disabled people, homeless and begging in the street?

Keep it up with your damned purity tests and the ONLY DEMOCRAT that can beat these scum republicans will not have a chance!

Every teabag theocratic dominunist is praying to ayn rand that you do!

[Katashi_itto]

156. Get a better candidate then.

[workinclasszero]

158. It will be great after the nomination to come to DU

and not have to read republican/fox/rush talking points from "leftists" , ya know?

[Katashi_itto]

160. Discredit and Crush the Dissenters!

Still wont vote Hillary even if I am not saying here after nomination. I will just be stating in RL. Will vote Dem all downticket.

[m-lekktor]

161. so we can't call ourselves left if we don't vote

for the non-left DEM candidate. yeah that makes sense.

[ScreamingMeemie]

162. It's not about ideals or belief systems anymore. It's only about winning.

D vs. R in the football game to see who wins. That's basically it, but it's been that way (for the most part) for a very long time. It's why I concentrate the majority of my energy locally.

[Jamaal510]

167. I can't believe it was alerted on, but this thread struck a nerve with somebody:

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Insensitive and over the top post. Hide it.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:35 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The left does have an authoritarian / lunatic side. Self righteous and knuckle headed
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He didn't mean YOU!

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I don't think this post will get hidden (prove me wrong, fellow jurors!) but having seen this thread earlier today, I have wondered just now how it has lasted this long without getting hidden or locked...
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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: They have a strong opinion that lots will not agree with but we are mature enough to let it drop if we do not want to debate it.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[randys1]

185. Of course it was...Their sole agenda is to get you not to vote.

Since I work constantly on the opposite side of that, I will NEVER shut up, no matter how hard they try to shut me up.

Remember, help someone register to vote and get them to the polls and follow my twitter account and report voter obstruction

https://twitter.com/DidTheyLetUVote

If you care about democracy, help someone to vote


https://twitter.com/DidTheyLetUVote

If you dont care about democracy, just try and stop us from voting

https://twitter.com/DidTheyLetUVote


https://twitter.com/DidTheyLetUVote

[Jamaal510]

224. It won't work on me

or anyone I know. In fact, these same people are one of my main inspirations for being involved in politics. And I know it can be frustrating even on DU, but keep up the good fight. There's a need for more voices like yours to ensure that more people don't take for granted something that people fought and died for in the past. I can't speak for others, but it makes me and every time I hear someone on YouTube (like the guy who calls himself "DaRevolutionaryWitDaTattoos&quot saying that the 2 parties are similar, and that they won't bother voting basically because they don't get everything they want. With a mixed-bag country like the U.S., of course no one will get what they want immediately. People who won't be active don't have a right to complain.

[randys1]

225. Appreciate the comments, we will all keep up the good fight...

[randys1]

226. Lived in Sacto in late 70's early 80's, went to A's games constantly and couple Raiders

[Marrah_G]

174. You know threads like this accomplish nothing, right?

Just makes the divide bigger.

[randys1]

186. I disagree, i believe there is an agenda on the right, that exists here on DU to get

democrats to see 2016 as a waste of time.

I know that is what is happening because I have been around a while.

Many others know it too.

As hard as it will be for me to vote for Hillary if she is the choice, as badly as I will want Bernie or Alan Grayson or others, actual liberals, I will work hard to get her elected because the alternative is too costly for too many.

That is all this is about...period

[Marrah_G]

230. A very big portion of those not wanting Clinton have been here a long time

Trying to suggest they are somehow rw plants trying to get people not to vote is disgusting. They are people, long time DUers who have a right to voice thier opinions without someone suggesting they are traitors.

[GGJohn]

233. He seems very........................angry. eom.

[Katashi_itto]

234. Very well said

[betsuni]

182. Agree.

I don't understand their idea of what "left" is. "Discussion," either. Somebody start Libertarian Utopia Playground already.

[Skittles]

184. they hate Hillary more than they love America

[HappyMe]

187. lol! Oh boy!

Terra!!1 You're either with us, or agin us!!1



I would never have thought shrub rhetoric would be used here other than in a mocking kind of way.

[randys1]

188. The depth of your insult, to someone who spent 13 months wondering if his step son would

die because of Bush's illegal war

Attacking me this way puts you at the bottom of the barrel.

You have no clue just how disgusting your comment is.

[HappyMe]

189. My step son served in Afghanistan.

My husband and I both sepnt time wondering if he would come back.

Using shrub words to try to shame people is pretty damn low. I am "attacking" your use of weasel words that were used to get us into the war.

[randys1]

190. Bullshit and you know it...

I will repeat...

As much as I will hate to vote for Hillary, dont tell me you are a liberal if you will not vote against the republicans

Dont tell me you wont work 24/7 year round trying to get a real liberal elected, then if that fails, take 5 minutes out on election day to vote AGAINST the people who have acted as terrorists against our president and our economy.

5 minutes if you are white, 8 hours if not.

but still voting to create the least harm WHILE you work for actual liberals

Now if this doesnt describe you, then I wasnt talking to you

and OF COURSE my thread was in reaction to several threads of anti Hillary people who seem to be all over this place

and dont god damn tell me that describing teaparty and others as terrorist is using rightwing rhetoric, the word perfectly describes someone who opposes good policy on purpose so as to cause harm, which is what they do

[HappyMe]

195. It isn't bullshit.

You are using shrubby words. Own it.

I am not going to tell you any damn thing. Nor do I care particularly give a crap what you think of me. You lecturing me doesn't affect me in any way.

[GGJohn]

191. I served in Afghanistan and I find your comments here to other

members who disagree with you disgusting.
You're repeating the boosh rhetoric here on a liberal board? I wonder who's the one who really belongs here.

[randys1]

192. Of course you do, you always attack me, every single time you see me post, big surprise LOL

Actually, I think I just got a badge of honor

thanks

[GGJohn]

193. No, I only question your bona fides when I see this kind of crap posted by you. eom.

[randys1]

194. What?? You question if I am telling the truth about what? Spell it out or take it back

[GGJohn]

196. I think I was quite clear on my statement.

Nope, not taking it back.

[randys1]

198. So you are calling me a liar.

[GGJohn]

199. Take it anyway you want.

I'm done with you.

[randys1]

203. Ahh, good ole DU, you call me a liar and 6 out of 7 see no problem with it

On Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:21 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

No, I only question your bona fides when I see this kind of crap posted by you. eom.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6291658

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

I am sick of this rightwinger following me around and now he calls me a liar and wont either prove it or take it back...this must not stand.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:32 AM, and voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Leave it. Not everyone who disagrees with your opinion is a rightwinger.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: You have the option of putting this poster on ignore if they bother you as much as you claim.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Thin skin isn't a good enough reason for a hide.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Ease off the button.
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Explanation: No explanation given

[GGJohn]

207. Maybe the problem isn't others,

ever think that sometimes the problem just might be you?

[randys1]

211. LOL oh my god, I have problems, for sure, but promoting voting rights isnt one of them

being for common sense gun legislation isnt one of them

being for #alllivesmatter isnt one of them

acknowledging the out of control racism by police, isnt one of them

I could go on..you know , issues where liberals are on one side and cons are on the other

sound familiar?

[HappyMe]

210. Nobody called you a liar.

[randys1]

212. GG john did and refused to take it back or prove it, read the damn thread

[GGJohn]

213. Reading comprehension is your friend.

I didn't call you a liar, I questioned your bona fides on a liberal board because of your attitude here towards those that disagree with you.
You need to learn tolerance for differing opinions than yours and you really need to lose the burning anger inside you, it'll burn you out sooner or later, take it from someone with vast experience in this.

[randys1]

216. You, questioning MY liberal credentials YOU LOL oh my god, thank you for that laugh, seriously

Lose the burning anger?

No, liberals have burning anger over what gun nuts have done to this country, what racist cops have done to this country, what war mongering motherfucking chickenshit chickenhawks have done to this country, no sir, we are very angry and must stay that way to fight the RIGHTWINGERS who are EVERYWHERE

EVERYWHERE




Mad as hell and you wont stop me from registering people to vote for DEMOCRATS (mainly, that is) so as to DEFEAT the rightwing assholes who act like terrorists.

I will stay angry and focused...I dont know a single liberal who isnt angry about something especially since Obama was elected.

[GGJohn]

218. Ahh, there's that unreasonable anger again towards those that you disagree with.

Oh well, I tried, but when you crash and burn, don't say I didn't warn you.
Hope you get a handle on that hate before it destroys you.
Have a good weekend.

[randys1]

220. Thanks for your service.

[GGJohn]

222. Thank you. eom.

[GGJohn]

219. One other thing.

Did I say I wanted to stop you from registering people to vote? Now who's being less than honest?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

228. Must be exhausting to be you

Always outraged about something or other.

[HappyMe]

217. I read the damn thread.

Nobody called you a liar.

[randys1]

197. Waiting...are you going to take that back?

I should alert on you the way you have done to me in the past

[GGJohn]

200. You can wait until hell freezes over for all I care.

And just for the record, I've never alerted on you at all.

[randys1]

204. I would like to believe that but for now I dont...

[GGJohn]

205. Believe whatever the hell you want,

but the fact is that I've never alerted on you.

[Katashi_itto]

206. As an Apparatchik for our glorious Democratic Party, dealing with foul dissidents is an ongoing

thing, you will get used to it.

[Katashi_itto]

202. Someone has a sad.

[Bobbie Jo]

231. Someone is a sad.

[Katashi_itto]

201. +10000!

[DrDan]

227. all this anger because someone labels themselves as "left" . . . without your permission?

as far as I am aware, that word has yet to be trademarked, and hence, available for personal use.

[raouldukelives]

238. Yep. For every truly liberal person trying to restore democracy, liberty & our natural world.

There are thousands who bankroll and assist in the bankrolling of the multinational corporations and the politicians, lobbyists and think tanks they support. Spending each day happily dragging us all back to feudal times and President Cruz.
Maybe once every couple years they will vote blue. Other than that, it's work, work, work for the opposite.