The difference between Hillary Clinton & Bernie Sanders on corporations

[think]

Bernie Sanders has a list of corporations he claims practice legalized tax fraud:

http://www.budget.senate.gov/democratic/public/_cache/files/1b714994-7903-4a80-bb5e-47b6544d515d/legalized-tax-fraud.pdf


Hillary has a list of corporations who's members have contributed the most money to her campaigns:

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000019


If one takes the time to notice those lists overlap each other.....

[DURHAM D]

1. Oh my God !!!

Emily's List is on The List.

[think]

2. The one redeeming value....

[DURHAM D]

4. WRONG

88% of the funds are from INDIVIDUALS.

Please try again.

[think]

5. Okay Lloyd.... /nt

[DURHAM D]

8. Who is Lloyd?

I do have a second cousin once removed by that name but other than that I got nothin'.

[think]

10. Lloyd Blankfein is an individual ..../nt

[TheKentuckian]

6. But less than 12% of the influence.

[daleanime]

3. Kick....

[Scuba]

7. Not a problem for Hillary's supporters, who seem to believe there's no such thing as a quid pro quo.

[think]

14. It seems that way unfortunately. /nt

[RufusTFirefly]

25. Those big corporations are selflessly contributing their money for the betterment of society

How could anyone possibly believe otherwise?



I for one am grateful that they adopted HRC as their noble cause. I'm sure it will be money well spent.

[raouldukelives]

30. Millions of shareholders couldn't be wrong. We all get what they pay for.

Namely no democracy, no civil liberties, no safety nets, no environmental protections and no shelter.
For every person who legitimately tries to make things better, there are thousands investing against it coming to fruition.

[rhett o rick]

32. Were you laughing when you posted that? At least grinning?

Corporations are required by capitalist law to make a profit. They don't "give" money to candidates, they invest. And they aren't looking for a mere 10% return either.

[RufusTFirefly]

35. Sorry. I figured my post was so over the top that a sarcasm smiley wasn't necessary

By the same token, it bugs the daylights out of me when people unwittingly (or perhaps intentionally) become viral marketers for "great commercials" (I consider the term to be an oxymoron) that pay lip service to progressive social values.

The truth is that if the corporations didn't think the ads would sell soap or widgets or whatever, they wouldn't make 'em. Also, companies with horrible labor or environmental records often create feel-good commercials that make it dicier to criticize them. They know what they're doing. And it has nothing to do with Doing the Right Thing, unless, of course, you consider the "right thing" to be maximizing profit. People can be alarmingly gullible.

[rhett o rick]

36. It wasn't needed. And people are "alarmingly gullible", some willfully. nm

[HappyMe]

9. I am so tired of these

corporations getting away with this. Things need to be tightened up.

[world wide wally]

11. And what is the difference between Hilary Clinton and someone like Scott Walker.?

There must be some reason why she is so reviled by Republicans.

[think]

12. Scott Walker is in a league of his own. /nt

[DhhD]

20. Like a paid hitman on unions, teachers, firefighters, and more; lies to bring them out before

taking them down. He talks on the phone, to the Brothers, to get graph.

[think]

22. That sums it up nicely

[stillwaiting]

13. Never let what you believe be based on what Republicans believe about anything.

Don't be reactionary and reflexive in your thinking. It's what Republicans do (i.e. they don't think, they react against what liberals want). Republicans are happy when liberals are unhappy. Period. They think they have accomplished something when liberals are upset. It's reactionary, juvenile, and unsophisticated in thought.

Just about everything that Republicans "think" is based on lies. Including what they believe about Hillary Clinton. Don't consider what they believe since it's based on lies. We need to look at HRC's actions over the past few decades and draw our own conclusions based on them.

Fuck Republicans. They are pathetic.

[Enthusiast]

24. +1

[BobbyBoring]

27. the sad thing is

Everything they believe comes from lies told by entertainers. Limbaugh pretty much dictates their whole agenda.

[NorthCarolina]

28. It's all part of the game.

The's GOP rabid hatred of Hillary is SUPPOSED to push you to be fully behind the Clinton inevitability in a "if they're against it I'm for it" kind of way. Scott Walker won't be the GOP nominee, Jeb will. The Clinton/Bush II Grudge Match "The Thrilla for the Hilla" has already been penned, the rest is just fodder for mindless speculation.

[Thinkingabout]

15. Interesting, did not see anything about corporate lobbyists Bernie meets with.

[think]

16. Perhaps you could provide that information. /nt

[Thinkingabout]

21. sure can

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/Dem_senators_spent_weekend_with_bank_energy_tobacco_lobbyists.html

[think]

26. OK. There were 108 corporate lobbyists at a Democratic fundraiser Bernie attended. /nt

[think]

17. I haven't found anything in this regards but here's a list of Bernie's top donors

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00000528

Sorry if that didn't help.

[Victor_c3]

18. Looks like a bunch of labor unions on that list to me

I wouldn't trust that guy! He obviously panders to the interest of workers and unions rather than corporations and billionaires!!

[freebrew]

19. Careful there Vic,

some posters here won't see the sarcasm w/o the smilie thing...

[Thinkingabout]

23. This was information about a meeting with corporate lobbyists.

[rhett o rick]

33. Are you saying that you looked but couldn't find anything? nm

[Cryptoad]

29. Corps donate to all candidates

mostly in relationship to their perceived chances of winning!

[think]

31. The ones with Cayman subsidiaries appear to love to donate even more..... /nt

[rhett o rick]

34. And some even pay money directly to a candidates (HRC) personal wealth. They see it as

an investment. They are corporations.

[Thinkingabout]

37. Exactly, and the candidates needs the donations to their campaign funds.

This is why I don't see why so many get some are corporatists and others are not, they are in the take on corporate donations. I know this but some does not think all takes funds. One isn't any worse than the others.

[think]

38. Taking money from GS, Citi, and JPMorgan is NOT the same as money from Decent corporations,

other institutions like unions, and individuals.

Some corporations are actually different than banks like GS that were "deceptive & immoral" and were at the heart of the economic collapse in 2007.

And it was Carl Levin, a top Democratic Senator who called GS "deceptive & immoral":

“Those are the facts the subcommittee found. Whether the decision by the Department of Justice is the product of weak laws or weak enforcement, Goldman Sachs’ actions were deceptive and immoral. That’s why I and others fought so hard to include tough new conflict-of-interest provisions in the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law, to help ensure that Wall Street could no longer engage in such blatant behavior.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/billsinger/2012/08/10/senator-levin-slams-department-of-justices-inaction-against-goldman-sachs/

We need laws to protect us from these banks and prosecute the wrong doers.

Please tell me how Hillary after all the money she's gotten from them is going to fight for legislation to better regulate these banks and protect the American people from another economic meltdown. Let alone work to close the loopholes that allow these banks to hide their profits in the Caymans so they don't have to pay taxes on.

Because that is a great concern considering the amounts of money being donated and the ugly history of these banks.

[Thinkingabout]

39. Are you thinking tobacco, oil and energy corporations are the nice ones?

[NYC_SKP]

40. But it's her turn, and yada yada yada. (nt)