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dissentient

(861 posts)
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:17 PM Mar 2015

Until robots take over, have a big husky guy act as a security agent for the flight, and also sits

in the cockpit whenever one pilot has to leave and use the restroom.

Remember those air marshals? Well, they now have a new job, not only protecting the flight from terrorists, but also monitoring the pilot whenever only one is in the cockpit.

Until the robots get so advanced that they can fly the plane from start to finish, or the computer artificial intelligence gets advanced enough to do it, there is always a danger of these pilots committing criminal or terroristic acts.

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Until robots take over, have a big husky guy act as a security agent for the flight, and also sits (Original Post) dissentient Mar 2015 OP
And what stops the "big husky guy" from being ill-intentioned? jberryhill Mar 2015 #1
new plan - 2 big husky guys on the cockpit Liberal_in_LA Mar 2015 #2
Lmao! cwydro Mar 2015 #15
OH, come on. Sure, you can invent any scenario to defeat any security, but I for one would feel a dissentient Mar 2015 #3
I've got an idea that will save WAY more lives than that!!! ret5hd Mar 2015 #6
Ding ding ding ding! No more calls please jberryhill Mar 2015 #11
Better yet - set the limit at the 85 percentile speed hack89 Mar 2015 #22
Why not set it at 35 and save even more lives? NutmegYankee Mar 2015 #23
I agree 100%! Absolute safety must be the ultimate goal! ret5hd Mar 2015 #24
Great Idea! NutmegYankee Mar 2015 #25
The sort of security an air marshall provides requires the agent to be undetected. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #10
if you hired retired special forces guys, it might work. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #9
They might have PTSD (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #13
Why not have a restroom in or immed off the cock-pit? etherealtruth Mar 2015 #4
The only way is for the passengers to give up the fwd lav. Angleae Mar 2015 #17
I know my thought was pretty naive n/t etherealtruth Mar 2015 #19
Give every adult a gun and free drinks. Kaleva Mar 2015 #5
This thread is too funny! cwydro Mar 2015 #16
Only allow big husky guys to participate in air travel. Jenny Red Eye Mar 2015 #7
But what about the eye-bola!!! Have we forgot about that? ret5hd Mar 2015 #8
Infinitesimal dangers always require an overreaching and extreme solution. Codeine Mar 2015 #12
The rule that two people must always be in the cockpit, which is already a rule in the US, Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #14
I've got it! I've truly got the solution : ret5hd Mar 2015 #18
You have what it takes for a management job in counter-terrorism. leveymg Mar 2015 #27
the last row is all the crying babies... Phentex Mar 2015 #28
what if the big husky guy is suicidal? treestar Mar 2015 #20
Use one of these... greytdemocrat Mar 2015 #21
That robot became operational on the 12th of January 1992. leveymg Mar 2015 #26
Only hire male pilots who, as as boy, had to buy their bluejeans in the "husky" section. Jenny Red Eye Mar 2015 #29
Better - use real huskies! jberryhill Mar 2015 #30
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. And what stops the "big husky guy" from being ill-intentioned?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:20 PM
Mar 2015

So, you want to put a "big husky guy" onboard as security agent.

Well, it turns out that "big husky guy" is a raging meth addled neo-Nazi, nobody knew about that, and he's just beaten the crap out of everyone in the cockpit and wants to read poetry to ground control while the plane goes down.
 

dissentient

(861 posts)
3. OH, come on. Sure, you can invent any scenario to defeat any security, but I for one would feel a
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:23 PM
Mar 2015

hell of a lot better knowing there was a security agent always present on every flight. Raise ticket prices to cover the costs.

ret5hd

(20,563 posts)
6. I've got an idea that will save WAY more lives than that!!!
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:27 PM
Mar 2015

Lower the speed limit to 55 mph and very very strictly enforce it.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. Ding ding ding ding! No more calls please
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:32 PM
Mar 2015

Yeah, the legislature in my state is debating whether to require motorcyclists to wear helmets.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
22. Better yet - set the limit at the 85 percentile speed
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:49 AM
Mar 2015

and make them even safer. The real issue is not absolute speed but divergent rates of speed. Getting everyone moving at the same speed is the goal.

NutmegYankee

(16,204 posts)
23. Why not set it at 35 and save even more lives?
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:10 AM
Mar 2015

Or how about 10 mph, them nobody would die. Those two arbitrary speeds are just as valid as 55.

ret5hd

(20,563 posts)
24. I agree 100%! Absolute safety must be the ultimate goal!
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:19 AM
Mar 2015

I also suggest everyone be required to wear at all times those big padded suits. You know, like you see those people wear that train police dogs.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. The sort of security an air marshall provides requires the agent to be undetected.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:30 PM
Mar 2015

So you can't have your undercover guy doing bathroom guard duty in front of everyone.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
9. if you hired retired special forces guys, it might work.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:29 PM
Mar 2015

They get to their positions in special forces by being very competent.

Unless they are taking the drug Lariam… but still….

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
4. Why not have a restroom in or immed off the cock-pit?
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:27 PM
Mar 2015

I am not sure this kind of horrific act can be totally avoided (How do we prevent a deranged pilot/ co-pilot from knocking the other over the head?) .... but, we do need to at least try to decrease the potential

Angleae

(4,500 posts)
17. The only way is for the passengers to give up the fwd lav.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 09:54 PM
Mar 2015

On smaller planes (737/A320 or smaller), it's generally only two lavs on board (sometimes 3 with 2 aft) and no provisions for putting an extra one up front.

Kaleva

(36,389 posts)
5. Give every adult a gun and free drinks.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:27 PM
Mar 2015

The percentage of air travelers killed by the actions of a pilot would quickly decrease to an insignificant number.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
12. Infinitesimal dangers always require an overreaching and extreme solution.
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:33 PM
Mar 2015

Every hook must become a slice.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
14. The rule that two people must always be in the cockpit, which is already a rule in the US,
Fri Mar 27, 2015, 06:37 PM
Mar 2015

seems like the most sensible solution. Not absolutely foolproof, but it means that the suicidal guy who decides to kill everyone must also engage in 1 on 1 violence. And there is really no way to protect against such a person as they could overpower the other pilot when the two of them are locked securely in the cockpit.

ret5hd

(20,563 posts)
18. I've got it! I've truly got the solution :
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:35 AM
Mar 2015

THE ENTIRE PLANE IS THE COCKPIT! The people in row 1 watch the pilots. The people in row 2 watch the people in row 1. The people in row 3 watch the people in row 2. etc etc etc.

The only flaw in my logic that I see is nobody is watching those damned people in the last row!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. what if the big husky guy is suicidal?
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 09:44 AM
Mar 2015

Or some evil person programs the robot the crash the plane?

Human evil will always exist.

But the idea of the flight attendant going in so no one is ever alone there doesn't seem too big a burden. Unless the flight attendant is suicidal and can overcome the co-pilot.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
26. That robot became operational on the 12th of January 1992.
Sat Mar 28, 2015, 10:36 AM
Mar 2015

HAL: Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

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